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The Man Who Sold Ukraine by Praxtech: 5:54am On Mar 26, 2022
olodymyr Zelensky is the current President of Ukraine. He was elected in a landslide victory in 2019 on the promise of easing tensions with Russia and resolving the crisis in the breakaway republics in east Ukraine. He has made no attempt to keep his word on either issue. Instead, he has greatly exacerbated Ukraine’s internal crisis while relentlessly provoking Russia. Zelensky has had numerous opportunities to smooth things over​ with Moscow and prevent the outbreak of hostilities. Instead, he has consistently made matters worse by blindly following Washington’s directives.

Zelensky has been lionized in the west and praised for his personal bravery. But—as a practical matter—he has failed to restore national unity or implement the crucial peace accord that is the only path to reconciliation. The Ukrainian president doesn’t like the so-called Minsk Protocol and has refused to meet its basic requirements. As a result, the ethnically-charged, fratricidal war that has engulfed Ukraine for the last 8 years, continues to this day with no end in sight. President Vladimir Putin referred to Zelensky’s obstinance in a recent speech delivered at the Kremlin. He said:

“At yesterday’s event… the Ukrainian leadership publicly declared that they were not going to abide by these agreements. Not going to abide by them. Well, what else can you say about that?” (Vladimir Putin)

Most Americans fail to realize that Zelensky’s rejection of Minsk was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Russian officials had worked for 8 years on Minsk hammering out terms that would be agreeable to all parties. Then—at the eleventh hour—Zelensky put the kibosh on the deal with a wave of the hand. Why? Who told Zelensky to scrap the agreement? Washington?

Of course.

And why did Zelensky deploy 60,000 combat troops to the area just beyond the Line of Contact (in east Ukraine) where they could lob mortal shells into the towns and villages of the ethnic Russians who lived there? Clearly, the message this sent to the people was that an invasion was imminent and that they should either flee their homes immediately or take shelter in their cellars. What objective did Zelensky hope to achieve by forcing these people to huddle in their homes in fear for their lives? And what message did he intend to send to Moscow whose leaders looked on at these developments in absolute horror?

Did he know his actions would set off alarms in Russia forcing Putin to call up his military and prepare them for a possible invasion to protect his people from– what looked to be– a massive ethnic cleansing operation?

He did.

So, how are these actions consistent with Zelensky’s campaign promises to restore national unity and peacefully resolve Ukraine’s issues with Russia?

They’re not consistent at all, they are polar opposites. In fact, Zelenskyy appears to be operating off a different script altogether. Take, for example, his complete unwillingness to address Russia’s minimal security concerns. Did Zelensky know that Putin had repeatedly said that Ukraine’s membership in NATO was a “red line” for Russia? Did he know that Putin has been saying the same thing over-and-over again since 2014? Did he know that Putin warned that if Ukraine took steps to join NATO, Russia would be forced to take “military-technical” measures to ensure their own security? Does Zelensky know that NATO is Washington-controlled Alliance that has engaged in numerous acts of aggression against other sovereign states. Here’s a short list of NATO’s accomplishments:

The destruction of Yugoslavia
The destruction of Afghanistan
The destruction of Libya
The destruction of Iraq
The destruction of Syria


Does Zelensky know that NATO is openly hostile to Russia and regards Russia a serious threat to its expansionist ambitions?

Yes, he knows all these things. Still, he publicly expressed his interest in developing nuclear weapons. What is that all about? Imagine the problem that would pose for Russia. Imagine if a US-backed puppet, like Zelensky, had nuclear missiles at his fingertips. How do you think that might impact Russia’s security? Do you think Putin could ignore a development like that and still fulfill his duty to protect the Russian people?

And why did Zelenskyy agree to allow shipment after shipment of lethal weaponry to be delivered to Ukraine if he sincerely sought peace with Russia? Did he think that Putin was too stupid to see what was going on right beneath his nose? Did he think he was normalizing relations by expanding his arsenal, threatening his own people, and jumping through whatever hoops Washington set out for him?

Or did he think that Putin’s requests for security assurances were unreasonable? Is that it? Did he think– that if the shoe was on the other foot– the US would allow Mexico to put military bases, artillery pieces and missile sites along America’s southern border? Is there any president in American history who wouldn’t have done the same thing that Putin did? Is there any president in American history who wouldn’t have launched a preemptive strike on those Mexican weapons and vaporized every living thing for a 20-mile radius?

No, Putin’s demands were entirely reasonable, but Zelenskyy shrugged them off anyway. Why?

Does Zelenskyy know that there are Right Sektor, neo-Nazis in the government, military and Security Services. Does he know that, while their numbers are small, they are a force to be reckoned with and factor heavily in the hatred and persecution of ethnic Russians? Does he know that these far-right elements participate in torchlight parades, imprint swastikas or SS tattoos on their arms, and revere the racialist ideology of Adolph Hitler? Does he realize that many these Nazis have engaged in criminal acts of brutality including the incinerating of 40 civilians at the Trade Union Building in Odessa in 2014? Does he think that the CIA’s covert programs to arm and train these right-wing militants builds confidence or does he think it reminds Moscow of a catastrophic war in which 27 million Russians were exterminated by Germany’s Wehrmacht?

Can you see how everything Zelensky has done, was done with the intention of provoking Russia?

All the talk of joining NATO, all the talk about building nukes, the steady buildup of lethal weaponry, the movement of troops to the east, the refusal to implement the Minsk Treaty and the rejection of Putin’s security demands. All of these were deliberate provocations. But, why? Why “bait the bear”; that’s the question?

Because Washington wants to lure Russia into a war so it can further demonize Putin, isolate Russia, launch a counterinsurgency operation against the Russian army, and impose harsh economic sanctions that will inflict maximum damage on the Russian economy. That’s Washington’s strategy in a nutshell, and Zelenskyy is helping Washington achieve its objectives. He’s allowing himself to be Washington’s tool. He is sacrificing his own country to advance the interests of the United States.

All this helps to underscore a point that is never considered by the media and never discussed by the pundits on cable news, that is, that Ukraine is going to lose the war, and Zelenskyy knows it. He knows the Ukrainian Armed Forces are no match for the Russian army. It is like a Giant swatting a fly. Ukraine is the fly. The public needs to hear this, but they’re not hearing it. Instead, they’re hearing blabber about heroic Ukrainians fighting the Russian invader. But this is nonsense, dangerous nonsense that is emboldening people to sacrifice their lives for a lost cause. The outcome of this conflict has never been in doubt: Ukraine is going to lose. That is certain. And, if you read between the lines, you’ll see that Russia is winning the war quite handily; they are crushing the Ukrainian army at every turn, and they will continue to crush them until Ukraine surrenders. Check out this brief interview with Colonel Douglas MacGregor on Tucker Carlson and you’ll understand what’s really going on:

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Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by Praxtech: 5:54am On Mar 26, 2022
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Tucker: “Where is the war as of tonight”? (March 1)

Colonel McGregor: “Well, the first 5 days, we saw a very slow methodical movement of Russian forces entering Ukraine…. They moved slowly and cautiously and tried to reduce casualties among the civilian population, trying to give the Ukrainian forces the opportunity to surrender. That is over. And the phase in which we find ourselves now, Russian forces have maneuvered to encircle and surround the remaining Ukrainian forces and destroy them through a series of massive rocket artillery strikes, air strikes with Russian armor slowly-but-surely closing the distance and annihilating what’s left. So, this is the beginning of the end of the Ukrainian resistance.

Tucker: What is Putin’s goal here?”

Colonel McGregor: “Putin set out to honor his word from 2007 at the Munich Security Conference where he said ‘We will not allow the expansion of NATO to a point where NATO is touching our border, specifically, Ukraine and Georgia. We see these as Trojan Horses for NATO’s military power and US influence... He repeated that (warning) over and over and over again, in the hopes that he could avoid taking action to effectively clean-out eastern Ukraine of any opposition forces whatever, and to put his forces in a position vis-a-vis NATO to deter us from any further attempts to influence or change Ukraine into a platform for the projection of US and western power into Russia.

Now his goal–as of today– is to seize this whole area of eastern Ukraine (east of the Dneiper River) and he has has crossed the river where he is preparing to go in and capture that city (of Kiev) entirely.

At that point, Putin has to decide what else he wants to do. I don’t think he wants to go any further west. But he would like to know that whatever emerges from this as Ukraine… is “neutral” not-aligned and, preferably, friendly to Moscow. That he will accept. Anything short of that, and his war has been a waste of time.”(“Colonel Douglas MacGregor with Tucker Carlson”, Rumble)

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What can we deduce from this short interview:

Russia will prevail and Ukraine will lose.
Ukraine is going to be partitioned. Putin is going to create the buffer he needs to assure his country’s security.
Whoever governs the western part of Ukraine will be required to declare their “neutrality” (in writing) and reject any offers for NATO membership. If they violate that promise, they will be removed by force.

But here’s the important thing: All of the main actors in this fiasco knew from the very beginning that Ukraine had no chance of defeating the Russian army. That was a foregone conclusion. So–what we want to know– is why Zelenskyy didn’t take steps to avoid the tragedy before it unfolded?

The answer to this question helps to reveal ‘who Zelenskyy really is’.

Ask yourself this: Why didn’t Zelenskyy negotiate with Putin when he had the chance? Why didn’t he pull back his 60,000 troops from the east? Why didn’t he stop Washington’s weapons shipments? Why didn’t he implement the Minsk Treaty? Why didn’t he reject NATO’s offer for membership?

Finally, why was so intent on doing the things that he knew would anger Moscow and increase the likelihood of a war?

These questions are not hard to answer.

Zelenskyy has been acting on orders from Washington from the get-go. We know that. He’s also been implementing Washington’s agenda not his own and certainly not Ukraine’s. We know that, too. But that does not absolve him from responsibility. After all, he is a full-grown adult capable of distinguishing between right from wrong. He knows what he’s doing, and he knows that it’s wrong; worse than wrong, it’s inexcusable. He’s sending men to die in a war he knows they can’t win; he’s inflicting incalculable suffering and injury on his own people for no reason at all; and –worst of all– he’s cleared the way for the dissolution of Ukraine itself, the country he was sworn to defend. That country is going to be broken into bits as part of a final settlement with Russia, and Zelenskyy will share a good part of the blame.

How does a man like this live with himself?

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Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by FERNANDEZISBACK: 5:58am On Mar 26, 2022
The Russo side also broke the agreement..so when it comes to Minsk don't heap the blame on him..no Cease fire..they refused to..

What were you expecting him to do when Putin invaded..?leave his nation and bow to Putin..he swore an oath to always defend his country..so deal with it..
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by Praxtech: 6:03am On Mar 26, 2022
FERNANDEZISBACK:
The Russo side also broke the agreement..so when it comes to Minsk don't heap the blame on him..no Cease fire..they refused to..

What were you expecting him to do when Putin invaded..?leave his nation and bow to Putin..h.e swore an oath to always defend his country..so deal with it..
We should be for peace. I don't want to engage in arguments on this matter. A WW 3 will touch every body. Russia has legitimate rights to national security. Ukraine too. But both have to work in tandem with each other to ensure there's peace in their respective countries. NATO and the US are not going to bring peace to the war ravaged country of Ukraine. Supplying weapons of violence will not bring peace which is much needed by the citizenry.
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by FERNANDEZISBACK: 6:08am On Mar 26, 2022
Praxtech:

We should be for peace. I don't want to engage in arguments on this matter. A WW 3 will touch every body. Russia has legitimate rights to national security. Ukraine too. But both have to work in tandem with each other to ensure there's peace in their respective countries. NATO and the US are not going to bring peace to the war ravaged country of Ukraine. Supplying weapons of violence will not bring peace which is much needed by the citizenry.
What do I even call this.. clownish or what.. undecided
So were you expecting NATO to plead with Russia or what?
Or you didn't realize that Putin is a stone hearted monster?

NATO did what any organization would.. help them defend themself..since they can't assist directly..the best way is to send in aids..

Coming to national security..If anything.. by annexing Crimea he even encouraged Ukraine to shift wholeheartedly towards the West and NATO..you were bullied ain't you gonna find a way to defend yourself?
So you have no point here... undecided
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by Praxtech: 6:13am On Mar 26, 2022
FERNANDEZISBACK:

What do I even call this.. clownish or what.. undecided
So were you expecting NATO to plead with Russia or what?
Or you didn't realize that Putin is a stone hearted monster?

NATO did what any organization would.. help them defend themself..since they can't assist directly..the best way is to send in aids..

Coming to national security..If anything.. by annexing Crimea he even encouraged Ukraine to shift wholeheartedly towards t.he West and NATO..you were bullied ain't you gonna find a way to defend yourself?
So you have no point here... undecided

You seem to forget that Crimean people voted for leaving Ukraine. But like I said mumbo-jumbo talks ego shows will not bring peace here. Neither will the supply of weapons of violence.
NATO precipitated this conflict deliberately hence they did not do what "any body would have done"... The Ukrainian leader ought to have weighed the consequences of his actions since the coup and attacks on certain ethnic groups since 2014

Lastly I am not supporting the Russian invasion but Republic of Benin cannot be acquiring lethal weapons on a massive scale and expect no retaliation from Nigeria..
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by FERNANDEZISBACK: 6:18am On Mar 26, 2022
Praxtech:


You seem to forget that Crimean people voted for leaving Ukraine. But like I said mumbo-jumbo talks ego shows will not bring peace here. Neither will the supply of weapons of violence.
Pls think..You can't just secede any territory even if you had the fair popular vote results... It just makes no sense.. same thing Russia Putin did.. undecided

Crimea belongs to Ukraine under every international law... The Crimeans have no right to unilaterally secede unless Ukraine agrees.. the same as any other part of Ukraine...

If Venice votes to separate from Italy would that happen without the Italian Government having a say? Or if Texas wanted to leave the US?

Or Kashmir wanted to leave India..or Balochistan wanted to leave Pakistan?

The territorial integrity of a nation is one of the most sacred and fundamental principles of International law...and that should be respected but Putin never did... undecided
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by Praxtech: 6:20am On Mar 26, 2022
FERNANDEZISBACK:

Pls think..You can't just secede any territory even if you had the fair popular vote results... It just makes no sense.. same thing Russia Putin did.. undecided

Crimea belongs to Ukraine under every international law... The Crimeans have no right to unilaterally secede unless Ukraine agrees.. the same as any other part of Ukraine...

If Venice votes to separate from Italy would that happen without the Italian Government having a say? Or if Texas wanted to leave the US?

Or Kashmir wanted to leave India, or Balochistan wanted to leave Pakistan?

The territorial integrity of a nation is one of the most sacred and fundamental principles of International law....and that should be respected but Putin never did... undecided
Same applies to the USA and NATO in Iraq and Syria. No one is a saint on the international space
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by FERNANDEZISBACK: 6:21am On Mar 26, 2022
Praxtech:

Same applies to the USA and NATO in Iraq and Syria. No one is a saint on the international space
And how does that relate to zelensky defending himself and his country from Russia's illegal invasion? undecided
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by Praxtech: 6:27am On Mar 26, 2022
FERNANDEZISBACK:

And how does that relate to zelensky defending himself and his country from Russia's illegal invasion? undecided
Bashir Assad was able to defend himself courtesy of Russian forces and maintain order to a large extent in Syria.
President Saddam Hussein was not that lucky, he was summarily executed (hanged) by the USA in tandem with NATO forces. For what? Nothing.

If I was Russia I wouldn't treat anyone bringing NATO to my doorstep as a friend.
Zelensky is no victim in this matter.....the ordinary Ukrainian people are

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Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by FERNANDEZISBACK: 6:36am On Mar 26, 2022
Praxtech:

Bashir Assad was able to defend himself courtesy of Russian forces and maintain order to a large extent in Syria.
President Saddam Hussein was not that lucky, he was summarily executed (hanged) by the USA in tandem with NATO forces. For what? Nothing.

If I was Russia I wouldn't treat anyone bringing NATO to my doorstep as a friend.
Saddam was not executed by the USA pls get your facts right..or why not tell Assad to surrender to his opposition?
Why is Assad still fighting since people are losing their life..why not negotiate with the oppositions too..(can you see the example I am trying to bring here?)

Coming to Saddam..he was tried in an Iraqi court ..convicted of and sentenced to death for a massacre of Shi´ites in the town of ad Dujail.. That is the official reason...so what are you trying to paint?

He was a criminal....
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by Praxtech: 6:57am On Mar 26, 2022
FERNANDEZISBACK:

Saddam was not executed by the USA pls get your facts right..or why not tell Assad to surrender to his opposition?
Why is Assad still fighting since people are losing their life..why not negotiate with the oppositions too..(can you see the example I am trying to bring here?)

Coming to Saddam..he was tried in an Iraqi court ..convicted of and sentenced to death for a massacre of Shi´ites in the town of ad Dujail.. That is the official reason...so what are you trying to paint?

He was a crimin.al....
Under the guidance of George W Bush. The pretext for invading Iraq makes the US and it's allies the biggest war criminals of the modern age
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by FERNANDEZISBACK: 7:02am On Mar 26, 2022
Praxtech:

Under the guidance of George W Bush. The pretext for invading Iraq makes the US and it's allies the biggest war criminals of the modern age
That doesn't make him a war criminal..GW doesn't even come close to reaching the standard of war criminal or of perpetrating crimes against humanity...
You have to understand that.. back to the main topic.. zelensky is doing what a sane president will do.. simple..
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by Praxtech: 7:04am On Mar 26, 2022
FERNANDEZISBACK:

That doesn't make him a war criminal..GW doesn't even come close to reaching the standard of war criminal or of perpetrating crimes against humanity...
You have to understand t.hat.. back to the main topic.. zelensky is doing what a sane president will do.. simple..
Zelensky is insane from my POV
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by FERNANDEZISBACK: 7:05am On Mar 26, 2022
Praxtech:

Zelensky is insane from my POV
Ok then..at this point I will have to leave you to your opinion..skol.. kiss
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by VictorUSA(m): 7:08am On Mar 26, 2022
piece of shit; rubish!
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by orisa37: 7:28am On Mar 26, 2022
Good Appraisal. 70% scored.

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Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by joyandfaith: 8:07am On Mar 26, 2022
Praxtech:

We should be for peace. I don't want to engage in arguments on this matter. A WW 3 will touch every body. Russia has legitimate rights to national security. Ukraine too. But both have to work in tandem with each other to ensure there's peace in their respective countries. NATO and the US are not going to bring peace to the war ravaged country of Ukraine. Supplying weapons of violence will not bring peace which is much needed by the citizenry.

Does it make sense for a sovereign nation to annex part of another sovereign nation and also conduct referendum in regions of another country. Russia did in Georgia and Ukraine. Excuses- national security and protection of native Russians. Issue of NATO did not arise until Russia annexed crimea and supported separatists in Ukraine. Russians in Ukraine should obey law of ukraine while Ukrainians in Russia should obey law of Russia.
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by hayzed19(m): 8:08am On Mar 26, 2022
Did Serbia agree to Kosovo secession since you said crimeans have no right to unilaterally secede
FERNANDEZISBACK:

Pls think..You can't just secede any territory even if you had the fair popular vote results... It just makes no sense.. same thing Russia Putin did.. undecided

Crimea belongs to Ukraine under every international law... The Crimeans have no right to unilaterally secede unless Ukraine agrees.. the same as any other part of Ukraine...

If Venice votes to separate from Italy would that happen without the Italian Government having a say? Or if Texas wanted to leave the US?

Or Kashmir wanted to leave India..or Balochistan wanted to leave Pakistan?

The territorial integrity of a nation is one of the most sacred and fundamental principles of International law...and that should be respected but Putin never did... undecided
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by FERNANDEZISBACK: 8:14am On Mar 26, 2022
hayzed19:
Did Serbia agree to Kosovo secession since you said crimeans have no right to unilaterally secede
This should give you a good answer.. kiss
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/22/kosovo-breakaway-serbia-legal-world-court
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by hayzed19(m): 8:17am On Mar 26, 2022
The question is was Kosovo recognise by the west or not.
FERNANDEZISBACK:

This should give you a good answer.. kiss
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by hayzed19(m): 8:23am On Mar 26, 2022
Kosovo declaration does not violate international law, but crimea does
Issokay
FERNANDEZISBACK:

This should give you a good answer.. kiss
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/22/kosovo-breakaway-serbia-legal-world-court

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Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by hayzed19(m): 8:24am On Mar 26, 2022
On 27 March 2008 Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić said Serbia would request the International Court of Justice to review the legality of Kosovo's declaration of independence.[77] On 8 October 2008 the UN General Assembly adopted Serbia's resolution requesting the International Court of Justice to assess the legality of Kosovo's declaration of independence.[78] The United Nations General Assembly adopted this proposal on 8 October 2008 with 77 votes in favor, 6 votes against and 74 abstentions.[79] On 22 July 2010 the court ruled that the declaration did not breach international law, because in general international law does not deal with declarations of independence and because in this specific case the declaration was not issued by the Assembly of Kosovo, Provisional Institutions of Self-Government, or any other official body and thus the authors, who named themselves "representatives of the people of Kosovo" were not bound by the Constitutional Framework (promulgated by United Nations Interim Administration Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK)) or by UNSCR1244 that is addressed only to United Nations Member States and organs of the United Nations.[80] Prior to the announcement Hashim Thaçi said there would be no "winners or losers" and that "I expect this to be a correct decision, according to the will of Kosovo's citizens. Kosovo will respect the advisory opinion." For his part, Serbia's President, Boris Tadić, warned that "If the International Court of Justice sets a new principle, it would trigger a process that would create several new countries and destabilise numerous regions in the world."
FERNANDEZISBACK:

This should give you a good answer.. kiss
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/22/kosovo-breakaway-serbia-legal-world-court
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by Praxtech: 10:44am On Mar 26, 2022
hayzed19:
Did Serbia agree to Kosovo secession since you said crimeans have no righ.t to unilaterally secede
Please ask him well well
Re: The Man Who Sold Ukraine by hayzed19(m): 11:37am On Mar 26, 2022
cheesy
I believe I will get an answer when he's back online
Praxtech:

Please ask him well well

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