Athemisia:

Oga! Before Pep City has been winning the league since 2012.

But oga were they consistent? That's the point. Leceister city won a title but are they consistent enough for us to call them a good team? It's not about winning league today and ending Fourth tomorrow and third next tomorrow or crashing out in group stages of UCL. It's about being consistently competitive all around and in every competition which is what we see in the present man city, Liverpool and Chelsea teams coached by these great men

chymeze:

It didn't take man city up to a decade. What they lacked was the right coach. The moment they brought in pep, he started winning titles within his first two seasons and he has consistently been in the top two of the league and they have been very competitive. Another example is Liverpool. After the brought in klopp, he instantly turned Liverpool around. They won champions league within his first two seasons and became a joy to watch. Same thing is happening at Barca with xavi. Same with tuchel at Chelsea. He transformed Chelsea within his first half season and even won champions league. And that's the problem with arsenal. If arteta was really good, it wouldn't have taken him this long to fix this team. His team is just wack and this arsenal team can't compete at the top level. They're just too inconsistent to win any title or compete at the top.

It was not really Pep that started the revolution for Mancity....Its was actually Roberto mancini that gave them the breakthrough and won them their first EPL which was won on the final day after Aguero scored that stoppage time winner!
Mancini was the first to bring in the fulcrum of players that pep benefitted from....pep simply made some quality additions without necessarily changing the entire team he inherited!
Mancity never looked back since then....It was their constant search for a UCL trophy that led the owners to dump or sack Mancini and Perlergini,who also won an EPL for mancity, and settled for Pep!

chymeze:

It didn't take man city up to a decade. What they lacked was the right coach. The moment they brought in pep, he started winning titles within his first two seasons and he has consistently been in the top two of the league and they have been very competitive. Another example is Liverpool. [b]After the brought in klopp, he instantly turned Liverpool around. They won champions league within his first two seasons [/b]and became a joy to watch. Same thing is happening at Barca with xavi. Same with tuchel at Chelsea. He transformed Chelsea within his first half season and even won champions league. And that's the problem with arsenal. If arteta was really good, it wouldn't have taken him this long to fix this team. His team is just wack and this arsenal team can't compete at the top level. They're just too inconsistent to win any title or compete at the top.

Kloop won which champions league within is first two seasons?

openmine:

It was not really Pep that started the revolution for Mancity....Its was actually Roberto mancini that gave them the breakthrough and won them their first EPL which was won on the final day after Aguero scored that stoppage time winner!
Mancini was the first to bring in the fulcrum of players that pep benefitted from....pep simply made some quality additions without necessarily changing the entire team he inherited!
Mancity never looked back since then....It was their constant search for a UCL trophy that led the owners to dump or sack Mancini and Perlergini,who also won an EPL for mancity, and settled for Pep!

You're right sir but you'd agree with me that man city back then were not as consistent as they are under pep today

Realguyman1:
Kloop won which champions league within is first two seasons?

Technically he got to the UCL final in his second season (2018) (he arrived mid season of 2015 so that can't be counted). He won it in his third full season at Liverpool and won the league a season later. You see the consistency in his performance there.

openmine:

It was not really Pep that started the revolution for Mancity....Its was actually Roberto mancini that gave them the breakthrough and won them their first EPL which was won on the final day after Aguero scored that stoppage time winner!
Mancini was the first to bring in the fulcrum of players that pep benefitted from....pep simply made some quality additions without necessarily changing the entire team he inherited!
Mancity never looked back since then....It was their constant search for a UCL trophy that led the owners to dump or sack Mancini and Perlergini,who also won an EPL for mancity, and settled for Pep!

What are you talking about?
How many players in pellegrini era are now with pep... lol

In this life eh, your haters more pass, imagine if arsenal was winning, the thread no go pass three!
Gunners 4ever!

aidameoryou:


What are you talking about?
How many players in pellegrini era are now with pep... lol

he ment clichy..kolarov...Fabian delph...zabeleta...rodwell...Adebayor.. Balotelli.. when u see ignorant people just ignore them sir..most of them never knew benaldo silver..foden...diaz Ruben.. zichenko..Ederson,Rodri,etc..they knew these guys when pep came to england..u see average coaches in man u buying big names hyped by media with fat salaries..Peps mistake will be buying halland..the paparazzi is too much..I dont see him as a performer considering the pressure from media..I think man u should spend big on him..pep buys silently like the one he got last from Argentina.. Alvarez or so..its better that way

chymeze:

You're right sir but you'd agree with me that man city back then were not as consistent as they are under pep today

yeah but they have been poor in ucl under pep till last season.they were doing better in ucl b4 pep came

osazsky:
he ment clichy..kolarov...Fabian delph...zabeleta...rodwell...Adebayor.. Balotelli.. when u see ignorant people just ignore them sir..most of them never knew benaldo silver..foden...diaz Ruben.. zichenko..Ederson,Rodri,etc..they knew these guys when pep came to england..u see average coaches in man u buying big names hyped by media with fat salaries..Peps mistake will be buying halland..the paparazzi is too much..I dont see him as a performer considering the pressure from media..I think man u should spend big on him..pep buys silently like the one he got last from Argentina.. Alvarez or so..its better that way

you are 4geting grealish! The worst signing of d season so far n d most costly

chymeze:

You're right sir but you'd agree with me that man city back then were not as consistent as they are under pep today

They were actually consistent!
For the first time,they went to old trafford then and scored six against a very strong manutd team under Fergie!
Yes they were a bit consistent under pep for three reasons....one,unlike the other managers,he was given time to instill his pattern of play(which is normally rare considering the pressure from the owners to be successful instantly) which didn't really work out initially....secondly,He didnt really make a wholistic change in the team because there were already quality players and all that was needed was some additions to compliment or express his style of play!
lastly,he was brought in to win the UCL....which sadly has eluded him and the club for a while...!

richmanrichard:
you are 4geting grealish! The worst signing of d season so far n d most costly

I dont know sha .I still feel greenish has something hidden in him..but let's see how it goes..but halland is a big NO for me..considering his salary demands it will disrupt the energy in citys camp..foden cant be on less than 150k and halland on 800k a week..if this happens city will eventually turn to man u..the motivator is salary..if man u can fix this problem they will be great again..man u prob is not in any coach..after fergie left..they tried using fat salaries to win big names..this was the beginning of thier prob..sanchez di Maria etc..the main performers where given peanuts while big names where paid stupid salary..so after the fergie era in man u..we had the salary era..this is the worst thing than can happen to any big company.its a prob non can solve

chymeze:

It didn't take man city up to a decade. What they lacked was the right coach. The moment they brought in pep, he started winning titles within his first two seasons and he has consistently been in the top two of the league and they have been very competitive. Another example is Liverpool. After the brought in klopp, he instantly turned Liverpool around. They won champions league within his first two seasons and became a joy to watch. Same thing is happening at Barca with xavi. Same with tuchel at Chelsea. He transformed Chelsea within his first half season and even won champions league. And that's the problem with arsenal. If arteta was really good, it wouldn't have taken him this long to fix this team. His team is just wack and this arsenal team can't compete at the top level. They're just too inconsistent to win any title or compete at the top.

Not everything you said was right. Pep never transformed city, city had been winning trophies before pep got the job they have managers who had won them trophies like Roberto Mancini and he wasn't the one won transformed the team too he got the team from another manager and they all won City premier league, FA, carling trophies except champions league. Pep was brought majorly because for the UCL and he hasn't delivered yet even with a lot of money to spend and yet he hasn't delivered the major thing city paid him for. Plus he met a ready made players at City which makes it easier for him to win games. So, don't compare him with Arteta they aren't the same.

You mentioned Klopp and you said he transformed Liverpool instantly yes but he never won anything in his first season either, but Arteta won a trophy in his first season for arsenal. Klopp lost two finals that same year and he almost lost his job just like Arteta. Liverpool gave him another chance because of the way he had improved the Liverpool team. And he didn't get enough cash to do this like Pep with City. He won the premier for Liverpool at the fourth season.

You mentioned Tuchel and you said he also transformed Chelsea, really? Chelsea and Tuchel should never be in this conversation they have the money, they have the stars, they've won the champions league before him. He got the job because Lampard was a terrible manager at the time. And he had all the resources at his disposal. Nothing special him to me because he was lucky to win the champions league for Chelsea. The same trophy he could not win for PSG with a lot of years he had there and stars with enough money to spend. He won the UCL easily because Lampard bought enough stars which he managed well at the time. And he's not managing the team well now in my opinion because with the way he started you might also say he will win the Premier league with the way he started strong with stars. And now, he has to fight arsenal for the forth place on the table. The same manager that has led the top of the table for several weeks now fighting with arsenal the forth place.

So, you can't compare him to Arteta who works with players he's trying to improve every week. And you can't compare the money they have to work with. Arsenal Don't give managers money to work with, the managers work their arses out to get the job done.

One last thing Arteta has never managed any team before, Arsenal was his first compared to the other managers you mentioned.

And lastly, I'll say give Arteta the same money other managers you've mentioned has to work with and let's see if he won't transform the team better, give Arteta the sliver spoon like Pep and Tuchel and see wonders. And mine you I'm not an Arsenal fan but I love the work he's doing at Arsenal.

openmine:

They were actually consistent!
For the first time,they went to old trafford then and scored six against a very strong manutd team under Fergie!
Yes they were a bit consistent under pep for three reasons....one,unlike the other managers,he was given time to instill his pattern of play(which is normally rare considering the pressure from the owners to be successful instantly) which didn't really work out initially....secondly,He didnt really make a wholistic change in the team because there were already quality players and all that was needed was some additions to compliment or express his style of play!
lastly,he was brought in to win the UCL....which sadly has eluded him and the club for a while...!

man u 6 nil win was just a game..and no one knew wat would hit city in d return leg..I think since pep came ..for over 5 years the best man u has gotten away with was a draw..or one win..and it was negative football

Simeony007:


Not everything you said was right. Pep never transformed city, city had been winning trophies before pep got the job the have managers who won then trophies like Roberto Mancini and he wasn't the one won transformed the team too he got the team from another manager and they all won City premier league, FA, carling trophies except champions league. Pep was brought majorly because for the UCL and he hasn't delivered yet even with a lot of money to spend and yet he hasn't delivered the major thing city paid him for. Plus he met a read made players at City which makes it easier for him to win games. Pep is working with a read made time so don't compare him with Arteta they aren't the same.

You mentioned Klopp and you said he transformed Liverpool instantly yes but he never won anything in his first season either just like Arteta. He lost two finals that same year and he almost lost his job just like Arteta. Liverpool gave him another chance because of the was he has improved the Liverpool team. And he didn't get enough cash to do this like Pep with City. He won the premier for Liverpool at the fourth season.

You mentioned Tuchel and you said he also transformed Chelsea, really? Chelsea should never be in this conversation they have the money, they have the stars, they've won the champions league before him. He got the job because Lampard was a terrible manager at the time. And he had all the resources at his disposal. Nothing special him to me because he was lucky to win the champions league for Chelsea. The same trophy he could not win for PSG with a lot of years he had there and stars with enough money to spend. He won the UCL easily because Lampard bought enough stars which he managed well at the time.

So, you can't compare him to Arteta who works with players he's trying to improve every week. And you can't compare the money they have to work with. Arsenal Don't give managers money to work with. They work their arses off to get the job done.

One last thing Arteta has never managed any team before Arsenal was his first compared to the other managers you mentioned.

And lastly, I'll say give Arteta the same money other managers you've mentioned has to work with and let's see if he won't transform the team better, give Arteta the sliver spoon like Pep and Tuchel and see wonders. And mine you I'm not an Arsenal fan but I love the work he's doing at Arsenal.

city won only 2 major trophy since the take over.in 2008..one epl from Mancini and one epl from Pellegrini.. the following year after wining the league they ended up in 3rd or 4th..pep has 3 epl to himself..if he wins it again it will be 4..so city has 2..pep has 4 in the farmers league

Simeony007:


Not everything you said was right. Pep never transformed city, city had been winning trophies before pep got the job the have managers who won then trophies like Roberto Mancini and he wasn't the one won transformed the team too he got the team from another manager and they all won City premier league, FA, carling trophies except champions league. Pep was brought majorly because for the UCL and he hasn't delivered yet even with a lot of money to spend and yet he hasn't delivered the major thing city paid him for. Plus he met a read made players at City which makes it easier for him to win games. Pep is working with a read made time so don't compare him with Arteta they aren't the same.

You mentioned Klopp and you said he transformed Liverpool instantly yes but he never won anything in his first season either just like Arteta. He lost two finals that same year and he almost lost his job just like Arteta. Liverpool gave him another chance because of the was he has improved the Liverpool team. And he didn't get enough cash to do this like Pep with City. He won the premier for Liverpool at the fourth season.

You mentioned Tuchel and you said he also transformed Chelsea, really? Chelsea should never be in this conversation they have the money, they have the stars, they've won the champions league before him. He got the job because Lampard was a terrible manager at the time. And he had all the resources at his disposal. Nothing special him to me because he was lucky to win the champions league for Chelsea. The same trophy he could not win for PSG with a lot of years he had there and stars with enough money to spend. He won the UCL easily because Lampard bought enough stars which he managed well at the time.

So, you can't compare him to Arteta who works with players he's trying to improve every week. And you can't compare the money they have to work with. Arsenal Don't give managers money to work with. They work their arses off to get the job done.

One last thing Arteta has never managed any team before Arsenal was his first compared to the other managers you mentioned.

And lastly, I'll say give Arteta the same money other managers you've mentioned has to work with and let's see if he won't transform the team better, give Arteta the sliver spoon like Pep and Tuchel and see wonders. And mine you I'm not an Arsenal fan but I love the work he's doing at Arsenal.

city finished in 3rd position the year prior to when pep arrived..its not like they where good..they had average players littered around..delph...cliche kolarov.hart..slavic.. rodwell..un motivated stones..immobile jovetic..foolish Milner..stupid Barry etc

osazsky:
I dont know sha .I still feel greenish has something hidden in him..but let's see how it goes..but halland is a big NO for me..considering his salary demands it will disrupt the energy in citys camp..foden cant be on less than 150k and halland on 800k a week..if this happens city will eventually turn to man u..the motivator is salary..if man u can fix this problem they will be great again..man u prob is not in any coach..after fergie left..they tried using fat salaries to win big names..this was the beginning of thier prob..sanchez di Maria etc..the main performers where given peanuts while big names where paid stupid salary..so after the fergie era in man u..we had the salary era..this is the worst thing than can happen to any big company.its a prob non can solve

are u a spiritualist? He is d worst signing of d season. As for haaland..mancity won't favour him under guadiola. Pep struggles with Orthodox strikers. Natural strikers has never been so gud with his patterns.if haland goes to city; he would not be scoring most goals in d team.Eto, ibrahimovic, aguero,Jesus cases can tell you all u need to know about pep's system. The only exception was Lewandosky n his case was different because thiago alcantra failed to replicate his ideal of false9 n there was no other player in bayern that was suited to that.Thats one of d reason he failed in ucl at bayern.bayern weree also not willing to spend huge on that iideology; so he left.

richmanrichard:
are u a spiritualist? He is d worst signing of d season. As for haaland..mancity won't favour him under guadiola. Pep struggles with Orthodox strikers. Natural strikers has never been so gud with his patterns.if haland to city; he would not be scoring most goals in d team.Eto, ibrahimovic, aguero,Jesus cases can tell you all u mid to know about pep's system. The only exception was Lewandosky n his case was different because thiago alcantra failed to replicate his ideal of false9 n there was no other player in bayern that was suited to that.Thats one of d reason he failed in ucl at bayern.bayern weree also not willing to spend huge on that iideoleg; so he left.

remove jesus from that least g. Jesus means average check ur dictionary..all he does is runs and makes tackles..I agree with u on d pattern of play

osazsky:
remove jesus from that least g. Jesus means average check ur dictionary..all he does is runs and makes tackles..I agree with u on d pattern of play

jesus was a badass top9 b4 pep bought him

richmanrichard:
jesus was a badass top9 b4 pep bought him

yes in a Brazilian club but u have to prove yourself in bigger stage..I dont know y city let dzeko leave..those are intelligent strikers..like I said all jesus does is run in different direction with zero intelligence

osazsky:
remove jesus from that least g. Jesus means average check ur dictionary..all he does is runs and makes tackles..I agree with u on d pattern of play

maybe u did not watch Jesus in his 1st season at city.the guy was a thorough 9 .he was city's highest goalscorer in his first season.His problems started when pep switched him to false ani rotating9

richmanrichard:
jesus was a badass top9 b4 pep bought him

I dont think it was pep that bought him..but I have forgotten sha

CheedyJ:

2 more goals to go...up crystal palace...

yeah... they tried

osazsky:
yes in a Brazilian club but u have to prove yourself in bigger stage..I dont know y city let dzeko leave..those are intelligent strikers..like I said all jesus does is run in different direction with zero intelligence

hahaha! He is trying to fulfill d false9 idea. The truth is that natural top9s struggles at that.The only false9 that is good at false9 role in England is Havertz n he is not a natural 9

osazsky:
I dont think it was pep that bought him..but I have forgotten sha

he is the one.very sure of that.He did when he was having problems with aguero

richmanrichard:
maybe u did not watch Jesus in his 1st season at city.the guy was a thorough 9 .he was city's highest goalscorer in his first season.His problems started when pep switched him to false ani rotating9

u dont rate coaches or players with one season..di Matteo won the ucl in half season..does this make him a great coach....Leicester won epl in one season does it make Leicester a great club..ihanacho played well in one season too for city does this make him a great striker..there are strikers and there are strikers I can not rate jesus as a striker.. its dat simple..Adebayor too falls into this category..look at aguero..ronney.van nistelrooy etc these are strikers that brought england to a still

osazsky:
u dont rate coaches or players with one season..di Matteo won the ucl in half season..does this make him a great coach....Leicester won epl in one season does it make Leicester a great club..ihanacho played well in one season too for city does this make him a great striker..there are strikers and there are strikers I can not rate jesus as a striker.. its dat simple..Adebayor too falls into this category..look at aguero..ronney.van nistelrooy etc these are strikers that brought england to a still

forgot to add the inestimable Tevez...not a top 9 though but I cal him one

osazsky:
city finished in 3rd position the year prior to when pep arrived..its not like they where good..they had average players littered around..delph...cliche kolarov.hart..slavic.. rodwell..un motivated stones..immobile jovetic..foolish Milner..stupid Barry etc

city had d best squad when pep came.that team was the most expensive in epl.the team was not bad too.the had won d leaque 3season ago, reached semi of ucl.pep still finished 4th that season even with his new signings

osazsky:
u dont rate coaches or players with one season..di Matteo won the ucl in half season..does this make him a great coach....Leicester won epl in one season does it make Leicester a great club..ihanacho played well in one season too for city does this make him a great striker..there are strikers and there are strikers I can not rate jesus as a striker.. its dat simple..Adebayor too falls into this category..look at aguero..ronney.van nistelrooy etc these are strikers that brought england to a still

in professional football; both footballers n coaches are as good as their current form,so they are rated in half season n full season.The difference is if u are lucky to be retained after a season.Example; do you think guadiola/klop wud have gotten a 2nd chance after woeful first season at clubs like chelsea,real madrid,psg? Absolutely NO! They wud be been sacked.

richmanrichard:
in professional football; both footballers n coaches are as good as their current form,so they are rated in half season n full season.The difference is if u are lucky to be retained after a season.Example; do you think guadiola/klop wud have gotten a 2nd chance after woeful first season at clubs like chelsea,real madrid,psg? Absolutely NO! They wud be been sacked.

no club can sack pep..there are coaches and there are coaches..pep walks away..in all his career he has nerver been sacked..unlike mou who keeps getting sack letters up and down left and right.remove psg from that list..poach is not a coach but comedian yet he remain thier coach

richmanrichard:
city had d best squad when pep came.that team was the most expensive in epl.the team was not bad too.the had won d leaque 3season ago, reached semi of ucl.pep still finished 4th that season even with his new signings

u can have the best squad yet no coach..no tactics..look at psg and man u..great players who play well for thier nations...but no coach..u can have a good coach too with average players..wat we have currently at baca are bunch of average players but look at wat xavi is doing.yes city had good players but for 3 seasons the best they could get was a 3rd place finish prior to when pep arrived..in his first season he had to build his own team with players that had same ideology with him..hence the massive sales of players at give away prices and he released majority of them