Miracle2022:
those two people you mention above are not pastors.
Marriage is forever!

Hmm then your pastor is not a pastor.

Michael547:

Let's discuss this topic from the bible. WhatsApp me on 08167469103

Does your pastor live by the bible? Do our so called pastors live by it? Cos if they do those stealing our national wealth won't go to church on Sunday and be comfortable.

Kobojunkie:
Most people marry wrongly ke?

Divorce is not a sin so yes it is better to get out of hell than cling to what is hell for no reason.

Of course, most of the marriages we have today just few of the couples are friends with each other and are really compatible. The rest are out of pressure from family/ friends, societal influence/ tagging, age, financial issues, lust, etc. People aren't marrying for the right reasons these days

quentin06:


Hmm then your pastor is not a pastor.

most Christian nowadays want to interprete the bible to suit their canal activities. But one thing I like my bible is red is red, black is black.

A lot has been said about this late gospel singer and her marriage to an abuser.

She's gone, she isn't coming back. There are lessons to learn:

1. Marry only in God's will.

2. If you marry outside God's will, be ready to bear any consequences.(notwithstanding, it can succeed with hard work)

3. It's better to remain single than be in bad marriage.

TruthinAction:

1. He did. Read what he said;

Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, SAVING FOR THE CAUSE OF FORNICATION, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

What is sin? Sin is simply transgression of instructions. So, when you act contrary to the instruction of our Lord Jesus concerning divorce, you have sinned.

1. Read the verse carefully and try to answer these questions please.

a. Who did Jesus Christ say in that contexts commits sin of adultery - The man or the wife?
b. What is the sin charged the one who divorced her?

Please resist all temptations to add to what is written so you can clearly see the Truth as presented in the Gospel.

HoneySwag:

Of course, most of the marriages we have today just few of the couples are friends with each other and are really compatible. The rest are out of pressure from family/ friends, societal influence/ tagging, age, financial issues, lust, etc. People aren't marrying for the right reasons these days

But exactly what are the "right" reasons for marriage? There was really not one given us by God, you see, except that He made humans male and female, and so marriage. The same God who made humans male and female also created some Eunuchs.

So, my question again is what "right" reasons are there for marriage and who decides what is "right" for whom?

Uprightness100:
Irrespective of how the world changes, The WORD of GOD will not Change because of a Changing World.

Being a Christian, Gospel musician, Pastor, Prayer machine, Bishop or whatever does not Exempt you from Disater if you go outside GOD'S will or GOD'S plan. Once you choose your own way, it does not Matter who you are, you will face the Consequences.

These are the Facts of Marriage from the Word of GOD.

GOD'S Standard of marriage is One man one wife.

GOD Hates Divorce. If you happen to come to a point where you say your spouse has done this or that and you cannot Forgive or you are going, you must understand that remarrying Under anyguise is fornication and Adultery.

Only Death Permits one to remarry. Any other remarry is Immorality, Fornication and Adultery.

GOD is the Institutor of Marriage. Conciously involve GOD in your Choice of Partner. If you are Honest with GOD, HE will Direct u. GOD speaks! GOD leads! GOD directs.
If your don't hear GOD, better not to marry.

You see... Dem don start again. Shay una no dey hear word ni?

Weytin just happen to one of ur religion mate wey we see & hear, u still dey preach this ur mumu preaching about marriage.

u dey tell me now say osinachi & her pastor no dey honest with God, so na why God no direct or speak to osinachi & her pastor?

Alaye... We don dey wise small small for this part of the world, make una no come dey bobo us here most especially for wey dey glaring

Kobojunkie:
But exactly what are the "right" reasons for marriage? There was really not one given us by God, you see, except that He made humans male and female, and so marriage. The same God who made humans male and female also created some Eunuchs.

So, my question again is what "right" reasons are there for marriage and who decides what is "right" for whom?

I get your point. But what am trying to say is that it's wrong when a lady is looking out for just a man that has money to get married to without considering other attributes about him, like character. Same with a guy lust over a lady's physical looks without considering other attributes. Marriages based on such are bound to fail. Beauty fades, what happens when the money isn't there? This is where character and good communication is very important, so if it was never there during the courtship, it still won't be there in the marriage.

diplomat058:


This is highly unpopular and illogical in the light of contemporary realities. You need to understand that Christianity is NOT a religion, and Jesus never imposed any burden, save for just TWO COMMANDMENTS - Love the Lord your God with all your heart (you can't love God and continually commit sin or abandon Kingdom work); Love your neighbor as yourself (Takes care of domestic abuse, etal). We are "gods" in our own rights as Men and even the bible attests to that ("I told you that Ye are gods".) So God almighty allows us great liberty and independence of decision making as long as these do not go against his will and commandments for us.

Jesus never condemned slavery, not because he liked it but out of respect for humans and the institutions they had created then. But then if you look deeper, surely, you can't "love your neighbor as yourself" and still enslave him because you wouldn't like to be enslaved too.

I repeat, God gives us independence to make our decisions as humans. If we quit an abusive marriage, so be it as long as such marriage is a violation of the LOVE rule that Jesus himself instituted as "preceding over all other things."

Chai... See as this guy analyze everything with both religion & common sense.

No be all those one way traffic people wey dey abandon their common sense come carry religion for head like WORLD CUP 2022

I dey come make I go follow you straightaway

HoneySwag:
1. I get your point. But what am trying to say is that it's wrong when a lady is looking out for just a man that has money to get married to without considering other attributes about him, like character. Same with a guy lust over a lady's physical looks without considering other attributes. Marriages based on such are bound to fail. Beauty fades, what happens when the money isn't there? This is where character

2. and good communication is very important, so if it was never there during the courtship, it still won't be there in the marriage.

1. Marriages fail across the board, this regardless of reasons for marriage. Love, respect, even character can and do tend to deteriorate over time same as beauty, so whose to say those are better reasons for marriage?

2. Communication is definitely an essential aspect of any relationship. But even that can exists between couples who married for reasons that may appear shallow. However even then Communication does not guarantee success no matter the reason for the relationship.

I think as individuals we need to start asking ourselves why we can fail in other relationships but somehow think that in marriage there shouldn't be room made for failure.

Kobojunkie:
1. Read the verse carefully and try to answer these questions please.

a. Who did Jesus Christ say in that contexts commits sin of adultery - The man or the wife?
b. What is the sin charged the one who divorced her?

Please resist all temptations to add to what is written so you can clearly see the Truth as presented in the Gospel.

You are the one who should read well. The man who puts away his wife outside the cause of adultery has sinned because he did not follow the instruction of our Lord Jesus.

The woman who was put away and marries another man also commits adultery. The man who marries a divorced woman also commits adultery.

Adultery is simply sleeping with a man or a woman who is married that is not your husband or wife.

Even under the law, both parties are guilty.

Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the ADULTERER and the ADULTERERS shall surely be put to death

TruthinAction:
1..You are the one who should read well. The man who puts away his wife outside the cause of adultery has sinned because he did not follow the instruction of our Lord Jesus.

2. The woman who was put away and marries another man also commits adultery. The man who marries a divorced woman also commits adultery.

3. Adultery is simply sleeping with a man or a woman who is married that is not your husband or wife.
Even under the law, both parties are guilty.
Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the ADULTERER and the ADULTERERS shall surely be put to death

1. What instruction of Jesus Christ did the man not follow?

2. Finally, so here you admit the sin of adultery in this case is attributed to the already divorced woman in that verse and not the man who divorced her, right?

3. That's incorrect! in Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28, Jesus Christ gives you new definitions for adultery that have nothing to do with the Old Covenant definition of the sin. So try not to confuse the two or you get lost again.

In the New Covenant, adultery is exactly as Jesus Christ defines it in the Gospels, and no, you are only guilty of sins you commit yourself as an individual, this since the New Covenant is itself a Covenant between God and the individual - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30

TruthinAction:


You are the one who should read well. The man who puts away his wife outside the cause of adultery has sinned [/b]because he did not follow the instruction of our Lord Jesus.

The woman who was put away and marries another man also commits adultery. [b]The man who marries a divorced woman also commits adultery.

Adultery is simply sleeping with a man or a woman who is married that is not your husband or wife.

Even under the law, both parties are guilty.

Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the ADULTERER and the ADULTERERS shall surely be put to death

So the person that left an abusive marriage should remain in bondage and should not re-mary if he/she has the opportunity to do so?
God created human and gave them brain for reasoning.........
Wisdom is probable to direct......

desiredhome:

So the person that left an abusive marriage should remain in bondage and should not re-mary if he/she has the opportunity to do so?
God created human and gave them brain for reasoning.........
Wisdom is probable to direct......

I didn't say so. I was only responding to someone who didn't agree with me that the law of divorce was put in place primarily to protect women because they suffer more from the consequences of divorce.

A woman who suffers abuse is free to leave. Even Apostle Paul said so implicitly. He wrote;

1st Corinthians 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and IF HE BE PLEASED TO DWELL WITH HER, let her not leave him.

I know he was addressing a situation where her husband is not a Christian and he treats her well. He recommended she should not leave. Someone who calls himself a Christian and mistreats his wife is as good as an unbeliever. She is free to leave such a relationship.

TruthinAction:


I didn't say so. I was only responding to someone who didn't agree with me that the law of divorce was put in place primarily to protect women because they suffer more from the consequences of divorce.

A woman who suffers abuse is free to leave. Even Apostle Paul said so implicitly. He wrote;

1st Corinthians 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and IF HE BE PLEASED TO DWELL WITH HER, let her not leave him.

I know he was addressing a situation where her husband is not a Christian and he treats her well. He recommended she should not leave. Someone who calls himself a Christian and mistreats his wife is as good as an unbeliever. She is free to leave such a relationship.

Ok......but our Nigerian christianity in Nigeria do not do/say same.....to them, God hates divorce....

desiredhome:

Ok......but our Nigerian christianity in Nigeria do not do/say same.....to them, God hates divorce....

Yes, he does. It still stands. This is to ensure that the marriage institution is not abused. But the case of domestic violence is an exemption. It's only an unreasonable Pastor that will insist a woman remains in an abusive marriage.

TruthinAction:
Yes, he does. It still stands. This is to ensure that the marriage institution is not abused. But the case of domestic violence is an exemption. It's only an unreasonable Pastor that will insist a woman remains in an abusive marriage.

But God never indicated divorce as sin so telling people God hates divorce is akin to deceiving them into believing divorce is sin when it isn't.

It is God who gave the right to divorce to those of the Old Covenant, and He is the same God who gives the same right to divorce to those of His New Covenant with no exemptions necessary in case of DV.

According to Jesus Christ, it is only in remarrying, under the wrong conditions, that a person commits sin against God.

Kobojunkie:
But God never indicated divorce as sin so telling people God hates divorce is akin to deceiving them into believing divorce is sin when it isn't.

It is God who gave the right to divorce to those of the Old Covenant, and He is the same God who gives the same right to divorce to those of His New Covenant with no exemptions necessary in case of DV.

According to Jesus Christ, it is only in remarrying, under the wrong conditions, that a person commits sin against God.

Jesus changed the Old Testament law of divorce. So, it is sin if you divorce outside the exemption Jesus and Apostle Paul gave.

TruthinAction:
Jesus changed the Old Testament law of divorce. So, it is sin if you divorce outside the exemption Jesus and Apostle Paul gave.

Jesus Christ did not change the Old Covenant law on divorce. Divorce is not sin at all, and marriage is not a life sentence like many have claimed.

Instead what Jesus Christ did was add restrictions as far as remarriage is concerned, pretty much paving the way for some to live as Eunuch for the sake of the Kingdom of God - Matthew 19 vs 12

According to Jesus Christ, who is God's Law and Truth, the New Covenant in the Kingdom of God, it is sin if one remarries after a divorce under any other circumstance other than the one allowed by Him. He is God's Law!

desiredhome:

So the person that left an abusive marriage should remain in bondage and should not re-mary if he/she has the opportunity to do so?
God created human and gave them brain for reasoning.........
Wisdom is probable to direct......

The person doesn't have to remain in bondage but can instead choose to separate or even seek divorce from that marriage.

However, remarriage is only an option for those whose marriage ended as a result of fornication, otherwise it is sin to remarry.

Kobojunkie:
The person doesn't have to remain in bondage but can instead choose to separate or even seek divorce from that marriage.

However, remarriage is only an option for those whose marriage ended as a result of fornication, otherwise it is sin to remarry.

This case at hand is not of formication, if in a toxic relationship such as this and she had divorced him, will she not remary?

desiredhome:

This case at hand is not of formication, in a toxic relationship such as this if she had divorced him will she not remary?

According to Jesus Christ, remarrying would make her guilty of adultery. So her best option is separation.

Kobojunkie:
According to Jesus Christ, remarrying would make her guilty of adultery. So her best option is separation.

A toxic relationships of less than say 2 years and there was a divorce, you mean the young lady should remain unmarried? Even when they already a divorce?

desiredhome:

A toxic relationships of less than say 2 years and there was a divorce, you mean the young lady should remain unmarried? Even when they already a divorce?

I mean Jesus Christ says remarriage is a sin in any case that excludes fornication for reason for divorce.

Again, divorce is not a sin. It is in remarriage that the issue of sin arises. Since the divorce was not a result of fornication, then remarriage would be a sin..

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not change the Old Covenant law on divorce. Divorce is not sin at all, and marriage is not a life sentence like many have claimed.

Instead what Jesus Christ did was add restrictions as far as remarriage is concerned, pretty much paving the way for some to live as Eunuch for the sake of the Kingdom of God - Matthew 19 vs 12

According to Jesus Christ, who is God's Law and Truth, the New Covenant in the Kingdom of God, it is sin if one remarries after a divorce under any other circumstance other than the one allowed by Him. He is God's Law!

How do you read your Bible? Upside down? Or are you writing your own Bible. Our Lord Jesus quoted the Old Testament law of divorce and said it shouldn't continue that way. He put a new order in the marriage institution and you said he didn't.

And when the owner of the church says this is the way it should be, if you act otherwise, you have sinned. And these are the words he will use to judge us on that day.

For example, you are married and you now see a more beautiful woman or a more wealthy man, you now divorce your former wife or husband, have you not sinned.

If divorce for any reason is not a sin, then one can divorce and remarry every year. Just listen to yourself. Sin is simply going against the instructions of God's word. Who are you to decide what is sin or what is not sin when the Bible is very clear on the subject?

TruthinAction:
How do you read your Bible? Upside down? Or are you writing your own Bible. Our Lord Jesus quoted the Old Testament law of divorce and said it shouldn't continue that way. He put a new order in the marriage institution and you said he didn't.

2. And when the owner of the church says this is the way it should be, if you act otherwise, you have sinned. And these are the words he will use to judge us on that day.

3. For example, you are married and you now see a more beautiful woman or a more wealthy man, you now divorce your former wife or husband, have you not sinned.

4. If divorce for any reason is not a sin, then one can divorce and remarry every year.

5. Just listen to yourself. Sin is simply going against the instructions of God's word. Who are you to decide what is sin or what is not sin when the Bible is very clear on the subject?

1. Where exactly do you have Jesus Christ saying it shouldn't continue that way?

All Jesus Christ did was explain to them to origin of divorce in marriage. He did not change the Old law but instead taught a new and higher standard where remarriage is concerned , the same pattern observed with all the other laws Jesus Christ gave to His followers.

2. Indeed Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God, and it is only by submitting and obeying that we show ourselves worthy of His Kingdom and promises.

3. Well, for sexually lusting after the more beautiful woman, you have already committed adultery against God - Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28

However, you commit no sin by simply divorcing your spouse.

4. Try to pay close attention so you stop running around in circles on this. Divorce is not a sin but in remarrying you potentially sin against God.

The teachings in the Gospels tell you you can divorce but you can only remarry if and when fornication was a reason for your divorce. If not, remarriage is adultery!

5. Open your eyes to what God in fact said to you. Sin is disobedience of God's very commandment to you and God's commandment is that if you remarry, under any condition that excludes fornication, you commit adultery.

Kobojunkie:
1. Where exactly do you have Jesus Christ saying it shouldn't continue that way?

All Jesus Christ did was explain to them to origin of divorce in marriage. He did not change the Old law but instead taught a new and higher standard where remarriage is concerned , the same pattern observed with all the other laws Jesus Christ gave to His followers.

2. Indeed Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God, and it is only by submitting and obeying that we show ourselves worthy of His Kingdom and promises.

3. Well, for sexually lusting after the more beautiful woman, you have already committed adultery against God - Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28

However, you commit no sin by simply divorcing your spouse.

4. Try to pay close attention so you stop running around in circles on this. Divorce is not a sin but in remarrying you potentially sin against God.

The teachings in the Gospels tell you you can divorce but you can only remarry if and when fornication was a reason for your divorce. If not, remarriage is adultery!

5. Open your eyes to what God in fact said to you. Sin is disobedience of God's very commandment to you and God's commandment is that if you remarry, under any condition that excludes fornication, you commit adultery.

I still maintain it's a sin because you are mistreating the other party and exposing him or her to sin. Do you know that hurting someone who has done against you is a sin? And nothing can be more hurting than breaking down the emotion of your partner.

TruthinAction:
1. I still maintain it's a sin because you are mistreating the other party and exposing him or her to sin.

2. Do you know that hurting someone who has done against you is a sin? And nothing can be more hurting than breaking down the emotion of your partner.

1. I have shown you where Jesus Christ said, over and over that it is in remarrying that you commit adultery. And this is corroborated in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke.

2. I don't follow!

3. Jesus Christ said that if you want to become worthy of Him, you should be willing to abandon family, career, business, friends, wife and even children, for His sake - Matthew 10 vs 34 - 37 & Luke 14 vs 25 - 26

Ever wondered how hurtful it must have been for those who were literally abandoned by, say, a spouse, who also left jobs, and children behind, all in order to follow Jesus Christ around for many years?,

Kobojunkie:
1. I have shown you where Jesus Christ said, over and over that it is in remarrying that you commit adultery. And this is corroborated in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke.

2. I don't follow!

3. Jesus Christ said that if you want to become worthy of Him, you should be willing to abandon family, career, business, friends, wife and even children, for His sake - Matthew 10 vs 34 - 37 & Luke 14 vs 25 - 26

Ever wondered how hurtful it must have been for those who were literally abandoned by, say, a spouse, who also left jobs, and children behind, all in order to follow Jesus Christ around for many years?,

I pray you have multiple divorce so you can understand why it's sin except for the exemption clause. If you don't want to accept God's word, you will learn it the hard way.

TruthinAction:
I pray you have multiple divorce so you can understand why it's sin except for the exemption clause. If you don't want to accept God's word, you will learn it the hard way.

It is obviously you who refuse to accept God’s Word this because of some preconceived notion you have that that which does not feel good is by default sin with God but that isn't anything about sin but human emotions.

Again, try to reason what Jesus Christ said of those who will become worthy of Him.

25 Many people were traveling with Jesus. He said to them, 
26 “If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. You must love me more than your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters—even more than your own life! 
27 Whoever will not carry the cross that is given to them when they follow me cannot be my follower. - Luke 14 vs 25 - 26

Jesus Christ is telling you that if you aren't willing to loose your life for His sake - your marriage, your wife, your children..... you are not worthy of Him.

But here you are telling me instead that what Jesus Christ said there in the passage above is instead sin, meaning you think God is deluded and Jesus Christ a liar.

Are you certain you even know who Jesus Christ is to begin with?