Ishilove:

What kind of WhatsApp message was it?

Kobojunkie:
Homosexuality was introduced by whom abeg?

My first encounter with homosexuals was as an 11-year old in boarding school. We had various housemates, at a school right there in Kwara state Nigeria, who practiced as far back as the late 80s. That didn't cause me, an 11-year old, to become one nor did I even imagine it something one becomes - never did. Even at that young age, I knew it was something you either are or you are not. Along with hundreds of other students at the school, we continued to live in peace with these Homosexuals until we eventually graduated and moved on to other things.

Homosexuality has been around in your neighborhoods for thousands of years. Blaming Hollywood for it is admitting ignorance of that which has been before you were and will remain even after you are done here.

Ishilove:

If you find his position ridiculous, that's on you. I'm not blind and insensitiveto the craftiness of Satan, and if you are, then that's also on you. It is not my prerogative to convince you. Hollywood is one of the biggest movie industries in the world with a wide outreach. He is telling us as Christians to sieve what we watch and be on guard against the negative content that so many movies contain. If you find this thought process ridiculous, then you are blinder than you know.

Kobo goodnight. I don't have power for your warped, upsidedown scriptural reasoning this evening.

Hismasterpiece:


@ the bolded. the guy or girl is clearly deceived. far worse than any Jehova's Witness or baptist or catholic. always reading scripture upside down.

BluntTheApostle:


But a friend would have still needed to betray Jesus Christ to fulfill a scripture. Judas was destined to betray Jesus, just as Peter was destined to betray Him.



I don't understand your argument here.


Even Christ Himself was a pencil in the hand of God.

Ishilove:

Kobo, I'm not going down that road with you. Leave me to my beliefs and I will leave you to yours. The world is big enough for all of us.

CaseSensitive:


Typical defensive response from a typical zealot

But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned

HedwigesMaduro:
I'm not talking about making people change their orientation, I'm talking about gradually making people accept the abnormal as being normal. Even in the US homosexuality was frowned at before. How did you think they started making people see it as normal? By sharing flyers?

Ishilove:

If you want to debate with Kobojunkie, by all means, knock yourself out. But not me. I will not be drawn into profitless arguments about the scriptures. Never have, never will. (NKJV)

Ishilove:

If you want to debate with Kobojunkie, by all means, knock yourself out. But not me. I will not be drawn into profitless arguments about the scriptures. Never have, never will.


Titus 3: 9-11 (NKJV)

Ishilove:

You're arguing with Nairaland's resident igbo smoking bible teacher. Don't even bother with trying to make sense with her.

Kobojunkie:
Did God cause Judas, the one who was of the devil before Jesus chose him, to betray Jesus? Did God cause Judas to steal money from the groups wallet as well? You say he was destined, so help me understand what you mean by that.

Take the story of Joseph for example. What his brothers meant for evil against Joseph, God used in accomplishing His good in the life of Joseph. God uses even the evil plans of men to accomplish His Will as purpose for His own. God used Judas' evil plans to accomplish His Will, Jesus Christ, so why do you think Judas is not to blame for his evil?

Jesus Christ was not a pencil in God's hands. If you pay attention to what Jesus Christ instead said, you would know this. Jesus Christ could have played His own card and lived as He instead chose to submit His own will in order that God's Will and plan may be worked through Him. Even up to the night before He was crucified, we see that Jesus Christ had to continuously make the decision to die to His own will in order that God's Will may instead be done through Him.

Does any of that sound like what anyone who is a pencil would do?

BluntTheApostle:
1s God omniscient?

The birth and death of Christ had long been written before Christ walked the Earth.

In fact, when David wrote a Psalm detailing the death of Christ on the Cross, there was nothing like the Roman Empire. In fact, crucifixion had not been invented.

Other prophets like Zachariah and Isaiah also gave detailed prophesies which even Jesus Himself referenced. From getting spat in the face to getting nailed in the hands and legs.

All these events had been destined to happen. Every player in the birth and death of Christ had been chosen even before they were born. From those that sentenced him to those that flogged Him to the thieves that were crucified alongside Him.

Just to know that we are nothing but pencils in the hand of the creator, see what God told Jeremiah:

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations" (Jeremiah 1:5)

God had already set Jeremiah apart ever before Jeremiah was conceived. Jeremiah had been destined to be a prophet even before he was conceived.

Kobojunkie:
God is all-knowing. Yes, but why do you assume that because He is able to accurately predict the future of men, that that implies men are pencils in God's hands?

That is not an entirely logical conclusion to jump to unless there is more that you are not revealing and i am asking you to explain that more to me.

Consider this, science is able to predict with more accuracy today, human behavior. Does that necessarily mean men are become pencils in the hands of science?

Kobojunkie:
I wasn't made to see it as normal though. Even as an 11-year-old, I instead early, that I had no right to decide, especially where others are concerned, what is abnormal or not.

Hollywood shows you pictures of what exists right in the very society where you claim to live in. Why do you pretend it forces you to accept, this by simply showing you what is, to accept that which you would rather hate in ignorance. The choice is yours whether to contnue to hate or not,these "abnormals".

HedwigesMaduro:
Great thing the population of the world is not one, and human beings don't react to propaganda the same way. Eg because you don't get lured into drinking alcohol by beer adverts doesn't mean hordes of other people won't fall for the bait.

Ishilove:

Or through the smoky haze of Kwale weed.