Apostle Paul claims Work is useless only Faith is required to inherit eternal life.

New King James Version
Galatians 2 vs 16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.


Now James beleives otherwise now James was said to be brother of Jesus while Apostle never met Jesus while on earth he said:

New King James Version
James 2
14What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

17Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.



What did Jesus really say about this do christians work?

Mathew 5

18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.

19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them and teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness (your uprightness and your right standing with God) is more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.




What did Jesus really teach?

The Jesus that was crucified lead a resistance against Roman occupation of Isreal around 2000 years ago.
The Jesus Christ preached today was a creation of the Roman Empire to control the minds of the people remotely since around 2000 years ago till now.
The Jews are aware of this that's why they have kept to their Old Testament and the10 commandments.

Kindly follow the teaching of the devil in your quaran that teaches you to kill and destroy others and leave those that believe in the bible with their doctrine. What you are asking is not meant for you to understand

haekymbahd:
Apostle Paul claims Work is useless only Faith is required to inherit eternal life.

Now James beleives otherwise now James was said to be brother of Jesus while Apostle never met Jesus while on earth he said:

What did Jesus really say about this do christians work?

What did Jesus really teach?

This is very clear!
1) Paul: Work + Emptiness = Vanity

2 James: Faith + Emptiness = Vanity

3) Jesus Christ: You all know these things "men do not light a candle and put it under bed" or put a candle on the table, with no light, yet they expect to see.

"In-spirit-action (inspiration) without perspiration, IS A DAYDREAM! Perspiration without inspiration, IS A NIGHTMARE!"

Dtruthspeaker:


This is very clear!
1) Paul: Work + Emptiness = Vanity

2 James: Faith + Emptiness = Vanity

3) Jesus Christ: You all know these things "men do not light a candle and put it under bed" or put a candle on the table, with no light, yet they expect to see.

"In-spirit-action (inspiration) without perspiration, IS A DAYDREAM! Perspiration without inspiration, IS A NIGHTMARE!"

what does work mean and are christians doing it?

haekymbahd:
what does work mean and are christians doing it?

Work means charity.

haekymbahd:


18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.

19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them and teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness (your uprightness and your right standing with God) is more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
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What did Jesus really teach?

The scribes and Pharisees lacked these things:

Justice, mercy, and faith.

It is these things that makes one’s righteous exceed that of the Pharisees. Had there judged rightly, they wouldn’t have killed the Son of man. Had they been merciful, they wouldn’t have turned the House of the Lord to a den of thieves. Had they had faith, they would have believed the words and deeds of the man from Nazareth.

To add to this, Paul taught justifying faith or faith by justification. James taught the byproduct, the derivative, the after-effect of justifying faith.

TimmyA:
Kindly follow the teaching of the devil in your quaran that teaches you to kill and destroy others and leave those that believe in the bible with their doctrine. What you are asking is not meant for you to understand

Awwwn later you will be the first to say Buhari don't give reply, now simple question and clarification you should do, you turn it into bigotry. I hope you won't pass this down to your kids. The world is full of nuisance don't create more.

Acehart:


Work means charity.

wow never truly see's it that way, and is that simple, that why it begins at home.
Buhari is doing other wise sharing money to foreign land.

TimmyA:
Kindly follow the teaching of the devil in your quaran that teaches you to kill and destroy others and leave those that believe in the bible with their doctrine. What you are asking is not meant for you to understand

Quit being ignorant and illogical. You can't even spell Qu'ran with all the hatred.

This is the same peace Jesus preached right? Mention the evil you see in the Qu'ran on your thread. If you can't defend your faith then Keep mute. That's peace.

Stop the diversion!

Dtruthspeaker:


This is very clear!
1) Paul: Work + Emptiness = Vanity

2 James: Faith + Emptiness = Vanity

3) Jesus Christ: You all know these things "men do not light a candle and put it under bed" or put a candle on the table, with no light, yet they expect to see.

"In-spirit-action (inspiration) without perspiration, IS A DAYDREAM! Perspiration without inspiration, IS A NIGHTMARE!"

Jesus emphasized faith and works just as James did. Paul on the hand was different. Paul doesn't believe in works at all but grace.

When Jesus met the rich man who asked about eternal life, the first thing Jesus commanded was to obey the commandments.

This is work.

Acehart:


Work means charity.

Jesus is what both of them preached!

In Paul's letter he's emphasizing on the importance of faith, for instance when there's a call for salat thousands of people do hear it but only those who have FAITH in it will respond to the call. But when people hear the noise of two women fighting in the next house it's rare to see someone who will not leave whatever he/she is doing to watch such a fight just to be entertained.
So according to Paul that FAITH which makes you respond to the call for sacred service is the most important thing because without such FAITH you can't please God. Hebrews 11:6 compare to Matthew 6:30

James in his own letter crowns it all by saying "when you have FAITH it's commendable but don't forget that Satan and demons also acknowledged the existence of God" {James 2:19} so what makes you better than Satan and demons? (for they also acknowledged God)
Well it's the outcome of your FAITH, this is the end result of what you were moved to do in God's name. If it doesn't yield any positive results in the society so that others around you also enjoy the benefits then such FAITH is useless or DEAD! James 2:26 compare to Matthew 15:4-6

So both of them expatiated on Jesus' teachings.
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haekymbahd:
what does work mean and are christians doing it?

Surely, you know that work means "Doings aka Deeds".

"So are Christ-likes (Christian) working?". Answer: Every person on earth works, whether Christian or church goers or Muslims or satanist.

AntiChristian:

Jesus emphasized faith and works just as James did. Paul on the hand was different. Paul doesn't believe in works at all but grace.

Paul was simply expressing the obvious which everyone knows but somehow, do not know, which is The Law - "Psalm 127
"Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."

As proven by Peter and his brothers fishing all night, yet caught nothing or you people working from 4am to 10pm, yet, no Thing!

Paul was just Re-tating The Commandments, which people have deceived themselves that Christ has abolished it, Whereas, Christ was Re-Enacting it.

Dtruthspeaker:


Surely, you know that work means "Doings aka Deeds".

"So are Christ-likes (Christian) working?". Answer: Every person on earth works, whether Christian or church goers or Muslims or satanist.

New King James Version
Galatians 2 vs 16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.


Are christians following the law I thought law has been abolished e.g circumcision, keeping sabbath... or what does Paul meant by work?

AntiChristian:


Jesus emphasized faith and works just as James did. Paul on the hand was different. Paul doesn't believe in works at all but grace.

When Jesus met the rich man who asked about eternal life, the first thing Jesus commanded was to obey the commandments.

This is work.

What is the summation of all the law? To love the Lord God with all your heart and to love your neighbor (the poor as it was for the rich man) as you love yourself. Without faith you cannot love. Faith without love is dead.

haekymbahd:
Apostle Paul claims Work is useless only Faith is required to inherit eternal life.

New King James Version
Galatians 2 vs 16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.


Now James beleives otherwise now James was said to be brother of Jesus while Apostle never met Jesus while on earth he said:

New King James Version
James 2
14What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

17Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.



What did Jesus really say about this do christians work?

Mathew 5

18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.

19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them and teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness (your uprightness and your right standing with God) is more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.




What did Jesus really teach?

Help me understand what all these thread have to do with you, a Muslim, and your walk as a Muslim. What bearing does Paul's teaching have on your walk as a Muslim?

haekymbahd:
New King James Version
Galatians 2 vs 16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.


Are christians following the law I thought law has been abolished e.g circumcision, keeping sabbath... or what does Paul meant by work?

In the scriptures, there are two laws- the Law of God (the Ten Commandments) and the Law of Moses (otherwise called the ordinances). Daniel 9:5

No man is justified by the ordinances that is why sacrifices must be offered everyday. Unfortunately, no man can keep the commandments, completely; Hence the question by Jesus’ disciples: “who then can be saved?”. Jesus replied, “God makes it possible what is impossible with man”.

Man can’t fulfill the requirements of ordinances- holiness and righteousness. That is why Paul reiterated that no one is justified by the Law because the Law doesn’t have the capacity to do so; it only shows one the “level” of his wickedness: But thank God, one man came to fulfill the requirement of the Law and keep all the commandments. That man is Christ Jesus. To trust in Him is the way to justification. To put him out of the equation is to achieve everything He finished fulfilling by yourself.

P.S: That verse from Matthew is one of the salient pointers in the scriptures that Christ Jesus is God.

Dtruthspeaker:


Paul was simply expressing the obvious which everyone knows but somehow, do not know, which is The Law - "Psalm 127
"Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."

As proven by Peter and his brothers fishing all night, yet caught nothing or you people working from 4am to 10pm, yet, no Thing!

Paul was just Re-tating The Commandments, which people have deceived themselves that Christ has abolished it, Whereas, Christ was Re-Enacting it.

Where did Paul restate the commandments?

No be Paul talk say "For by grace are you saved through faith and not by yourself, it is the gift of God NOT OF WORKS..." Ephesians 6:8-9

Acehart:


What is the summation of all the law? To love the Lord God with all your heart and to love your neighbor (the poor as it was for the rich man) as you love yourself. Without faith you cannot love. Faith without love is dead.

This is false.

When the man came to Jesus to ask him about eternal life, the man already had faith in Jesus.

Jesus still replied him to obey the commandments which is the laws of Moses.

haekymbahd:

Are christians following the law...

That is what The Judge, will Judge on Judgement Day.

haekymbahd:

I thought law has been abolished e.g circumcision, keeping sabbath...

It is Sinners who do not want to Obey The Words God Spoke who have lied to themselves and others in saying "Christ has abolished The Law" even after Christ has expressly Said "Not a jot of The Law would be removed".

And as you can see from the example above, Paul was reciting The Law in Psalms 127.

AntiChristian:

Where did Paul restate the commandments?.

I have just shown you an example of him Citing The Law in Psalm 127.

Dtruthspeaker:


I have just shown you an example of him Citing The Law in Psalm 127.

And i quoted verses where Paul disregarded WORKS in Ephesians 2:8-9!

AntiChristian:


And i quoted verses where Paul disregarded WORKS in Ephesians 2:8-9!

The same verse that is citing The Law in Psalms 127 telling you the stupidity of working without God!

AntiChristian:


This is false.

When the man came to Jesus to ask him about eternal life, the man already had faith in Jesus.

Jesus still replied him to obey the commandments which is the laws of Moses.

Show me where it is written that he had faith in the Christ?

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Jesus emphasized faith and works just as James did. Paul on the hand was different. Paul doesn't believe in works at all but grace.

When Jesus met the rich man who asked about eternal life, the first thing Jesus commanded was to obey the commandments.

This is work.

Paul doesn’t believe in works?!!!

Lord have mercy!

You must have been reading the Bible with Muhammad-tinted glasses

haekymbahd:
Apostle Paul claims Work is useless only Faith is required to inherit eternal life.

New King James Version
Galatians 2 vs 16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.


Now James beleives otherwise now James was said to be brother of Jesus while Apostle never met Jesus while on earth he said:

New King James Version
James 2
14What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

17Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.



What did Jesus really say about this do christians work?

Mathew 5

18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.

19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them and teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness (your uprightness and your right standing with God) is more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.




What did Jesus really teach?

If you study carefully, Paul was referring to “works of the law” in Galatians 2 v 16. That is not the works James was referring to.

Faith is trust and obedience. Trust is conviction/belief while Obedience is works (not works of the Mosaic Law)/fruits to show as evidence of a living faith.

madegreatbygrace:



Paul doesn’t believe in works?!!!

Lord have mercy!

You must have been reading the Bible with Muhammad-tinted glasses

I guess he’s confusing “works of the law” with works (obedience).

AntiChristian:


Where did Paul restate the commandments?

No be Paul talk say "For by grace are you saved through faith and not by yourself, it is the gift of God NOT OF WORKS..." Ephesians 6:8-9

If you read verse 10, you will get the context of the message Paul is passing across. Not to be carried away by good works, because that is what we are created to do. Not that works is worthless and irrelevant.

Ephesians 2 v 8-10;

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus TO DO GOOD WORKS, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

madegreatbygrace:



Paul doesn’t believe in works?!!!

Lord have mercy!

You must have been reading the Bible with Muhammad-tinted glasses

Bragging only! Bring the proof!

Acehart:


Show me where it is written that he had faith in the Christ?

If he does not believe in him will he call him Good Master/Teacher?

Those questions he asked him were not questions you ask a ordinary person!

Dtruthspeaker:


The same verse that is citing The Law in Psalms 127 telling you the stupidity of working without God!

Jesus taught work and faith which is not what Paul taught!