agi-tuedor:

You leave the issue, attack the person. That's not intelligent enough.nd if i told you we're all aliens long enough you just might buy it. . .all sumed to be "you be MUGU"[/color]

You leave the issue, attack the person. That's not intelligent enough.

claremont:

STATISTICAL ANALYSIS OF PRAYER

Do prayers really work?! It has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt that prayers not only do NOT work, but are also a complete waste of time that would have been better used in addressing the issue that led to the prayer in the first place. How do we know that prayers do not work? Simple!

A review of 17 past studies of ''prayer", published in 2003 by a British researcher, found NO significant effect for prayer or other healing methods. In another study, researchers found that having people pray for heart bypass surgery patients had NO effect on their recovery. In fact, patients who knew they were being prayed for had a slightly higher rate of complications. In yet another rigorous scientific study, researchers found that the prayers of a distant congregation did NOT reduce the major complications or death rate in patients hospitalized for heart treatments.

claremont:

The belief in prayer is a superstition. It has been proven scientifically over and over again. When a prayer appears to be answered, it is a coincidence. Quite simply, prayer has absolutely NO effect on the outcome of any event. The "power of prayer" is actually "the power of coincidence."

claremont:

Prayer does not work because God is completely imaginary and does NOT exist.

vedaxcool:

How does this proves  that prayer does not work? The studies contains significant bias;
1. It was clearly restricted to Britian.
2. It focus only on HEaling, they are millions of different kinds of prayers, hence it is illogical to take just an aspec of prayer a make definitive statements.
3. It failed to consider the religious teachings in relations to Healing, life and death.
4. No statement on the number of people surveyed, nor on what significant really is.
5. The entire evidence seemsless than a piece of garbage, no specifics no refrence no nothing, i am not buying it.
6. It failed to state how the complications were linked to the prayer.

seyibrown:

Sorry, claremont, your OP IS NO PROOF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST! Give me REAL PROOF that God does not exist!

9dynasty:

^^^ blah blah blah. . .g.w.foote said blah blah how about you said
@agi-tuedordude i can't make out what you trying to say. . .you're quoting me, re-quoting me, and messing it all up just get it straight next time thanks

Sweetnecta:

they become full time pagans, eg atheists, agnostics.

babaearly:

@op

its all about your thinking and what you feel is truth to you.it doesnt mean its universal truth because not all man believes you. So bask in your truth, dont force it on anyone, at least you can let us know what you think.
same goes for all other religious warriors, you follow your path, at least for now you can only follow whats right in your eyes.
this one says my God exists, the other says your God does not exist, whats wrong with you guys?

Omo_Tier1:

In the days of ignorance, God overlooks BUT today is come salvation.

This wannabe atheist benin born poster whose ancient fathers were worshippers in ogun, olokun swept by the floods to England, let confused, now out spewing what the earth has denounced right from the days of Naoh!

I once told this poster in the TRAVEL section of Nairaland that him and his messages are "unreasonably reasonables" period!

coming up Next , meet this poster's twin here »» http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-europe-14135523

fm7070:

If there is no God, then, who created the earth?
If you give me your myth answes, I will ask you one more question.
Who created the apes that u claimed turned to human being as a result of revolution.
Lastly, why hasn't an Ape or monkey turned to human being since the past 1000 years.
What happen to King Nebukadnezar of Babillon (Iraq) in those days?
God is mystery.
No matter how brilliant a primary school student is, he cannot analyse Algorithm or Calculus studied in University.
That is just it.

Uyi Iredia:

There are a number of researches that have been undertaken to study prayer all with varying results. Your conclusion is a non-sequitur because inefficacy of prayer alone is not a justifiable reason to disprove God's existence. Keep in mind that as long as science rests sure on the principle of cause and effects. The existence of God as the first cause of all
beings is an axiom that stands.

claremont:

Good points, but if you have a research done which conclusively shows that prayer works, kindly let me have a summary. You said "The existence of God as the first cause of all beings is an axiom that stands", that is were you are wrong my friend, because it has never been proven that creationism ever happened. A belief that a deity created the world in 7 days is not only farcical but also totally insane, even theologians agree that 80% of what is written is the Bible is false i.e. never happened.

claremont:

Good points, but if you have a research done which conclusively shows that prayer works, kindly let me have a summary. You said "The existence of God as the first cause of all beings is an axiom that stands", that is were you are wrong my friend, because it has never been proven that creationism ever happened. A belief that a deity created the world in 7 days is not only farcical but also totally insane, even theologians agree that 80% of what is written is the Bible is false i.e. never happened.

fm7070:

If there is no God, then, who created the earth?
If you give me your myth answes, I will ask you one more question.
Who created the apes that u claimed turned to human being as a result of revolution.
Lastly, why hasn't an Ape or monkey turned to human being since the past 1000 years.
What happen to King Nebukadnezar of Babillon (Iraq) in those days?
God is mystery.
No matter how brilliant a primary school student is, he cannot analyse Algorithm or Calculus studied in University.
That is just it.

Uyi Iredia:

I am a Christian with pantheistic preclinations. I am not talking about Creationism. I am on the ID side and theirs is a more robust argument for the flaws of the neo-Darwinian model. Please check these links:

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/faq/

Scientific Evidence For God's Existence

Atheist Riddle

After that we'll talk. BTW i am quite versed in evolutionary rubrics. I took my time before choosing my side. Do not make the mistake of grouping ID with Creationism . I see that a lot and I must say that it's wrong

claremont:

Dr. Hugh Ross, the author of the above highlighted paper is a scientist who has tried and failed to merge creationism and evolution. The reason his findings are unacceptable to me is that he speaks with an obvious religious bias, this in itself has tainted his research and makes it subjective.

claremont:

1. Only one of several studies I mentioned took place in Britain, the other studies took place in several other countries around the world. I believe you will agree with me that the worldwide nature of the studies helps to make it statistically significant.

claremont:

2. Yes, it focused on healing because the prayer of healing seems to be the only kind of prayer in which "answers" can be physically and directly observed without confusing it with coincidence, unlike the prayer for wealth, husband/wife, car, e.t.c.

Oh, So you can observe the state of someone's health physically but cannot observe cars, increased wealth etc. I am begining to doubt your atheistic credentials, show me your certificate immediately, How can they also determine if someone's health also does not improve by coincidence?
the study simply shows how bigoted it sponsors are(if such a study ever occurred) for instance if mr. q has a head ache and prays to God for recovery, and after taking some pills he feels fresh as new, how does the study caters for such? it seems the study expected terminally ill patient to survive with prayer alone, because health is more material than house, cars, etc. I dey laugh

claremont:

3. What religious teachings matter to people who are desperate to receive healing for their ailments? Does a Christian quadriplegic need to consider all the religious teachings before God can heal such a person?

claremont:

4. A large number of respondents were surveyed, and the survey samples were tested for statistical significance, which is basically normal practise for a survey of this magnitude.

claremont:

5. You don't have to "buy" it, your "buying" it or not doesn't change a peer-reviewed scientific research publication which I believe you know already.

claremont:

6. Yes, it did. Basic correlation analysis was used to assess complications that occurred before, during, and after prayer, and it was concluded that in some cases complications shot up after prayer, which can only mean that the prayer caused more harm than good.

claremont:

My aim is to showcase a research done to prove the non-existence of God using prayer as a research instrument.

claremont:

The onus ultimately rests on those who believe in the existence of a deity to prove that the deity actually exists. The inability or unwillingness of religion adherents to prove that their deity exists can only lead us to conclude that the deity is non-existent, or probably exists in their minds alone.
I don't understand what you point is, therefore, I can't possibly respond to pointless gibberish.

fm7070:

If there is no God, then, who created the earth?
If you give me your myth answes, I will ask you one more question.
Who created the apes that u claimed turned to human being as a result of revolution.
Lastly, why hasn't an Ape or monkey turned to human being since the past 1000 years.
What happen to King Nebukadnezar of Babillon (Iraq) in those days?
God is mystery.
No matter how brilliant a primary school student is, he cannot analyse Algorithm or Calculus studied in University.
That is just it.

Sweetnecta:

@9jaPagan; « #37 on: Today at 09:07:55 AM »your curse is nothing to me. you are like to me until you come to Islam the way Abu Lahab or Abu Jahal or other idol pagans of Makka was to the noble messenger [as].

today, you stand in the stead of abu lahab. and i stand for Muhammad [as].

Uyi Iredia:

I am a Christian with pantheistic preclinations. I am not talking about Creationism. I am on the ID side and theirs is a more robust argument for the flaws of the neo-Darwinian model. Please check these links:

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/faq/

Scientific Evidence For God's Existence

Atheist Riddle

After that we'll talk. BTW i am quite versed in evolutionary rubrics. I took my time before choosing my side. Do not make the mistake of grouping ID with Creationism . I see that a lot and I must say that it's wrong

God,:

This kinda topic need not to be discussed more emphatically. Whether u believe or u dont believe, its changes nothing

God,:

Riff-Raff, its not everyone that is jobless and engage their limited time to such frivolities of coming to prove to Nairaland Atheists that prayers work or does not. It makes no sense. No one pastor will tell u, he can on his own put prayers together and expect answers by his own power. God answereth prayers and if God chooses not to, no pastor can questn him

williams20:

I pray that God will touch you within now and 68 hours that you may know that the holy one of israel exists

claremont:

Is this your way of "emphatically" discussing this issue like you suggested in your earlier comment?!

claremont:

Take it or leave, but God does not exist. God is a fictitious creation of man designed to plug a gap in man's understanding of his environment; the more science evolves, the more we realize that everything has a rationale explanation, and even if it didn't, still that doesn't justify the existence of an all-knowing deity.

God,:

Did u read and understood my comments at all? I was pointing to RIFF-Raff that frivolities need not be engaged in over Prayers being answered or not being answered. I'm not interested in emphatically discussion it reason why i term his proposed challenge as [size=13pt]frivolity[/size]. its in consonance with my first post

claremont:

Of course it is a frivolity! When it comes to the subject of proof, religious brethren will avoid it with a wave of the hand and say it is a frivolity. While in the normal world, asking questions shows inquisitiveness and scholastic aptitude; it is quite the opposite in the abnormal world of religion, were asking questions is seen as indulging in frivolity and blasphemy. What a load of monumental s/h?i/t/e!