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AZControversial:
If i may...
Forgiveness only stops you from having a grudge or revenge.
Forgetting is not as easy. Because if the offender does it again nko

Absolutely....

Most Christians, including men on the cloth, that I know don’t forgive each other let alone others.

You are correct many Christian's find it difficult to restitute because of u forgiveness

Pride! Lots of our GOs and MOG are dead guilty!.

My work colleague said if one believes in Jesus as his/her personal saviour he/she will not put in Hell as all sins are redeemed by Christ! So why then would any Christ believer be confined to Hell for mere subtle sins?

Women dressing provocatively calling it fashion, making men having sexual urges which equally make them to sin.. when you tell this women to dress decently and the effect of their lifestyle they will call men weak and scums, not knowing genders are built differently. there are things you can't change.

hopefulLandlord:
Christians and their fear fuelled hell preaching again?

Hell always sounded like a cynical marketing ploy designed to make people afraid to leave or displease the particular sect. And it seemed to really kill empathy - 'god says they burn, they burn' doesn't make me think of someone being full of love and compassion and all that.

Eternal punishment for finite transgressions always seemed abusive to me. How can someone look at the idea of a being who would condemn people to that and call it love?

Even when I was a Christian Hell was just too weird for me to accept. Infinite punishment for finite offenses is an eye for an eye on steroids. Punishing people for disobeying nit-picky rules makes God an abusive parent. One reason often given for punishment is to teach the offender not to offend again, but if punishment is eternal then how can the offender benefit from this teaching? Jesus is supposed to be into forgiveness but forgiveness shouldn't involve eternal suffering. Hell isn’t redemptive, it isn’t leading to repentance, it’s simply pain for pain’s sake.

I love this quote: “Heaven and hell seem out of proportion to me: the actions of men do not deserve so much.”

and of course I get the rationalisation of hell by Christians saying its moral accountability and saying bad people go to hell;
that's nonsense and they know it!!!

If Yahweh is real and omniscient, that means he already decided that we're going to hell before he even created us. But if this omniscient deity allows for deathbed conversions, then it doesn't matter what kind of life you lead. You could be a brutal dictator who massacred tens of millions of people, yet still get into heaven if you tell Jesus you're sorry. Your victims could all go to hell for eternity if they never repented. That's how bleeped up Christian morality is.

Maybe Christians can answer a few questions for me. The Bible says that there is ONLY ONE way to get into Heaven: by accepting salvation through Jesus.

So it follows that the Christians who ran the Nazi death camps can get into heaven. But their 6 million Jewish victims must burn for all eternity in the pits of Hell. I've talked to many Christians about this and they just pretty much accept it.

My questions are:

1. How f***ed up do you have to be to believe Nazis can go to Heaven but their 6 million Jewish victims must burn? That's just sick. But Christians believe it. What the f*** is wrong with you people?

2. Why would ANYONE willingly worship a god that would act like that? Is it just a fear thing (better known as cowardice)? And

3. Even if you get into Heaven what makes you think you'll be safe with a psycho god like that running the place? What's to stop your god getting a wild hair up his ass one day and sending Christians to a place so bad it makes Hell look like an ice cream parlor? He used to like the Jews too. Or so the story claims. What makes you think you're safe?

My thought ever since day 1

Thank you for saying these things that people are scared to say.

Hell and so many doctrines in Christianity and other religions is just about mind control.. Wake up oh Africa

hopefulLandlord:
Christians and their fear fuelled hell preaching again?

Hell always sounded like a cynical marketing ploy designed to make people afraid to leave or displease the particular sect. And it seemed to really kill empathy - 'god says they burn, they burn' doesn't make me think of someone being full of love and compassion and all that.

Eternal punishment for finite transgressions always seemed abusive to me. How can someone look at the idea of a being who would condemn people to that and call it love?

Even when I was a Christian Hell was just too weird for me to accept. Infinite punishment for finite offenses is an eye for an eye on steroids. Punishing people for disobeying nit-picky rules makes God an abusive parent. One reason often given for punishment is to teach the offender not to offend again, but if punishment is eternal then how can the offender benefit from this teaching? Jesus is supposed to be into forgiveness but forgiveness shouldn't involve eternal suffering. Hell isn’t redemptive, it isn’t leading to repentance, it’s simply pain for pain’s sake.

I love this quote: “Heaven and hell seem out of proportion to me: the actions of men do not deserve so much.”

and of course I get the rationalisation of hell by Christians saying its moral accountability and saying bad people go to hell;
that's nonsense and they know it!!!

If Yahweh is real and omniscient, that means he already decided that we're going to hell before he even created us. But if this omniscient deity allows for deathbed conversions, then it doesn't matter what kind of life you lead. You could be a brutal dictator who massacred tens of millions of people, yet still get into heaven if you tell Jesus you're sorry. Your victims could all go to hell for eternity if they never repented. That's how bleeped up Christian morality is.

Maybe Christians can answer a few questions for me. The Bible says that there is ONLY ONE way to get into Heaven: by accepting salvation through Jesus.

So it follows that the Christians who ran the Nazi death camps can get into heaven. But their 6 million Jewish victims must burn for all eternity in the pits of Hell. I've talked to many Christians about this and they just pretty much accept it.

My questions are:

1. How f***ed up do you have to be to believe Nazis can go to Heaven but their 6 million Jewish victims must burn? That's just sick. But Christians believe it. What the f*** is wrong with you people?

2. Why would ANYONE willingly worship a god that would act like that? Is it just a fear thing (better known as cowardice)? And

3. Even if you get into Heaven what makes you think you'll be safe with a psycho god like that running the place? What's to stop your god getting a wild hair up his ass one day and sending Christians to a place so bad it makes Hell look like an ice cream parlor? He used to like the Jews too. Or so the story claims. What makes you think you're safe?

With the epistle up there, it seems you are the one that's afraid of hell

jesusjnr2020:
One Subtle Sin That Would Take Many Christians To Hell

It is unforgiveness because Jesus said:

Matthew 6:14-15 (KJV)

For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Moreover, this saying of Jesus was in addition to what He had already said about forgiveness in His teaching about how to pray.

Matthew 6:12 (KJV)

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

However despite the emphasis Jesus placed on the matter of forgiveness, that He reiterated it to show how important it was, many who claim to be His followers still take it lightly, as if Jesus was making a big deal about nothing or didn't know what He was talking about.

The deceptive thing about unforgiveness is its very subtle nature. It seems as though it's normal and not a consequential sin as the others which could take a person to hell, hence many Christians taking it for granted.

However unknown to them, is the fact that it is perhaps the biggest and most influential sin of all, because it's a sin that has the capacity to retain every other sin one has committed, including those one had repented of, as God would not forgive anyone his trespasses if he doesn't forgive others theirs as Jesus had said.

And if God doesn't forgive a person his own sins because he doesn't forgive others theirs, that means the person is surely hell bound.

That's what makes unforgiveness such a dangerous sin.

God bless

Bros abeg Christians cannot go to hell, it's not possible and please don't count all this hybrid religion of wealth and prosperity that is filled with intellectual as Christians.
For a Christian to be in hell it means Christ has to be there in hell with the Christian (which is impossible) because a Christian is a follower of Christ with the beauty and attribute of Christ.

olawonder:
My work colleague said if one believes in Jesus as his/her personal saviour he/she will not put in Hell as all sins are redeemed by Christ! So why then would any Christ believer be confined to Hell for mere subtle sins?

Your work colleague left a part out.

There must be Repentance, followed by forgiveness and then Acceptance (Believer)

Forget no 3, without 1n2

kingyakos:
Bros abeg Christians cannot go to hell, it's not possible and please don't count all this hybrid religion of wealth and prosperity that is filled with intellectual as Christians.
For a Christian to be in hell it means Christ has to be there in hell with the Christian (which is impossible) because a Christian is a follower of Christ with the beauty and attribute of Christ.

Did Judas and Demas make heaven?

Ananias and Sapphire weren't unbelievers

hopefulLandlord:
Christians and their fear fuelled hell preaching again?

Hell always sounded like a cynical marketing ploy designed to make people afraid to leave or displease the particular sect. And it seemed to really kill empathy - 'god says they burn, they burn' doesn't make me think of someone being full of love and compassion and all that.

Eternal punishment for finite transgressions always seemed abusive to me. How can someone look at the idea of a being who would condemn people to that and call it love?

Even when I was a Christian Hell was just too weird for me to accept. Infinite punishment for finite offenses is an eye for an eye on steroids. Punishing people for disobeying nit-picky rules makes God an abusive parent. One reason often given for punishment is to teach the offender not to offend again, but if punishment is eternal then how can the offender benefit from this teaching? Jesus is supposed to be into forgiveness but forgiveness shouldn't involve eternal suffering. Hell isn’t redemptive, it isn’t leading to repentance, it’s simply pain for pain’s sake.

I love this quote: “Heaven and hell seem out of proportion to me: the actions of men do not deserve so much.”

and of course I get the rationalisation of hell by Christians saying its moral accountability and saying bad people go to hell;
that's nonsense and they know it!!!

If Yahweh is real and omniscient, that means he already decided that we're going to hell before he even created us. But if this omniscient deity allows for deathbed conversions, then it doesn't matter what kind of life you lead. You could be a brutal dictator who massacred tens of millions of people, yet still get into heaven if you tell Jesus you're sorry. Your victims could all go to hell for eternity if they never repented. That's how bleeped up Christian morality is.

Maybe Christians can answer a few questions for me. The Bible says that there is ONLY ONE way to get into Heaven: by accepting salvation through Jesus.

So it follows that the Christians who ran the Nazi death camps can get into heaven. But their 6 million Jewish victims must burn for all eternity in the pits of Hell. I've talked to many Christians about this and they just pretty much accept it.

My questions are:

1. How f***ed up do you have to be to believe Nazis can go to Heaven but their 6 million Jewish victims must burn? That's just sick. But Christians believe it. What the f*** is wrong with you people?

2. Why would ANYONE willingly worship a god that would act like that? Is it just a fear thing (better known as cowardice)? And

3. Even if you get into Heaven what makes you think you'll be safe with a psycho god like that running the place? What's to stop your god getting a wild hair up his ass one day and sending Christians to a place so bad it makes Hell look like an ice cream parlor? He used to like the Jews too. Or so the story claims. What makes you think you're safe?

I wish I could like this post over and over again.

hopefulLandlord:
Christians and their fear fuelled hell preaching again?

Hell always sounded like a cynical marketing ploy designed to make people afraid to leave or displease the particular sect. And it seemed to really kill empathy - 'god says they burn, they burn' doesn't make me think of someone being full of love and compassion and all that.

Eternal punishment for finite transgressions always seemed abusive to me. How can someone look at the idea of a being who would condemn people to that and call it love?

Even when I was a Christian Hell was just too weird for me to accept. Infinite punishment for finite offenses is an eye for an eye on steroids. Punishing people for disobeying nit-picky rules makes God an abusive parent. One reason often given for punishment is to teach the offender not to offend again, but if punishment is eternal then how can the offender benefit from this teaching? Jesus is supposed to be into forgiveness but forgiveness shouldn't involve eternal suffering. Hell isn’t redemptive, it isn’t leading to repentance, it’s simply pain for pain’s sake.

I love this quote: “Heaven and hell seem out of proportion to me: the actions of men do not deserve so much.”

and of course I get the rationalisation of hell by Christians saying its moral accountability and saying bad people go to hell;
that's nonsense and they know it!!!

If Yahweh is real and omniscient, that means he already decided that we're going to hell before he even created us. But if this omniscient deity allows for deathbed conversions, then it doesn't matter what kind of life you lead. You could be a brutal dictator who massacred tens of millions of people, yet still get into heaven if you tell Jesus you're sorry. Your victims could all go to hell for eternity if they never repented. That's how bleeped up Christian morality is.

Maybe Christians can answer a few questions for me. The Bible says that there is ONLY ONE way to get into Heaven: by accepting salvation through Jesus.

So it follows that the Christians who ran the Nazi death camps can get into heaven. But their 6 million Jewish victims must burn for all eternity in the pits of Hell. I've talked to many Christians about this and they just pretty much accept it.

My questions are:

1. How f***ed up do you have to be to believe Nazis can go to Heaven but their 6 million Jewish victims must burn? That's just sick. But Christians believe it. What the f*** is wrong with you people?

2. Why would ANYONE willingly worship a god that would act like that? Is it just a fear thing (better known as cowardice)? And

3. Even if you get into Heaven what makes you think you'll be safe with a psycho god like that running the place? What's to stop your god getting a wild hair up his ass one day and sending Christians to a place so bad it makes Hell look like an ice cream parlor? He used to like the Jews too. Or so the story claims. What makes you think you're safe?

A Nazisit is not a Christian no matter if they call themselves Christian just like I am not the President of Nigeria no matter how many times my friends call me Presido.

The rest of your points are the usual rants of a man that is prideful against his Creator and wants no repercussion if he lives on his own terms of disobedience.

Like a child disobedient to his or her parents or a criminal punished by the State for his crime against the State. You can not eat your cake and still have it. Your Creator loses no sleep over your labour of rage&blasphemy against Him.

When you are done with this realm. There is always a payment for every labour. Proverbs 10:29.

If You want God to Forgive you Quickly, Forgive People Easily:

Nature throws at You what You throw at Others But You wouldn't Know Except You are a Critical Thinker:

And if Nature vex for You, She will revolve and Rotate Paths that The Routes you know before shall become a Barricade: That's Hypnosis:

God is the Answer and Moderation is the Key:

Except if Oxygen is not the Energy Powering Your Existences ....

We are Limited than we Think
We are much more Powerful than we Realise:

This thread is an insult to the Cross and everything christianity stands for, if Sin can take a christian to hell that means the new testament is a lie stop posting blasphemy.

Batam:
You are writing all these things because you felt you are comfortable , wait until one day you see the other side of life and all your effort is not yielding solution then you will know the scores.
The rich also cry

Let me guess, you have seen this other side of life right?

Ogbeni, nothing like hell

jesusjnr2020:
One Subtle Sin That Would Take Many Christians To Hell

It is unforgiveness because Jesus said:

Matthew 6:14-15 (KJV)

For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Moreover, this saying of Jesus was in addition to what He had already said about forgiveness in His teaching about how to pray.

Matthew 6:12 (KJV)

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

However despite the emphasis Jesus placed on the matter of forgiveness, that He reiterated it to show how important it was, many who claim to be His followers still take it lightly, as if Jesus was making a big deal about nothing or didn't know what He was talking about.

The deceptive thing about unforgiveness is its very subtle nature. It seems as though it's normal and not a consequential sin as the others which could take a person to hell, hence many Christians taking it for granted.

However unknown to them, is the fact that it is perhaps the biggest and most influential sin of all, because it's a sin that has the capacity to retain every other sin one has committed, including those one had repented of, as God would not forgive anyone his trespasses if he doesn't forgive others theirs as Jesus had said.

And if God doesn't forgive a person his own sins because he doesn't forgive others theirs, that means the person is surely hell bound.

That's what makes unforgiveness such a dangerous sin.

God bless

olawonder:
My work colleague said if one believes in Jesus as his/her personal saviour he/she will not put in Hell as all sins are redeemed by Christ! So why then would any Christ believer be confined to Hell for mere subtle sins?

pay no attention to this thread, john 3:16 God so loved the world he gave his only son whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. It says who believes not who does not sin, it's impossible not to sin as a man that's why Jesus died so that not sinning won't be the qualification but faith in Jesus hence the reason Jesus told the thief who was hung beside him that he will take him to paradise just because the thief asked!

Elock1:
My thought ever since day 1

Thank you for saying these things that people are scared to say.

Hell and so many doctrines in Christianity and other religions is just about mind control.. Wake up oh Africa

Thoughts of a man scared to receive the wages for his unrighteousness.

When your Uncle was arrested for being in an Igbo meeting (I don't know what became of the outcome) but what I am trying to emphasize is just as there are forces here in our physical realm that arrest and put individuals in places that they won't want to be in. How much the Spirit realm?!

Be on the safer side. Love and follow the LORD with all your heart and not like a foolish child against their parents egged on by some stubborn child on the street corner.

phemmyfour:
Your work colleague left a part out.

There must be Repentance, followed by forgiveness and then Acceptance (Believer)

Forget no 3, without 1n2

the thief that hung beside Jesus and was taken to paradise with Jesus which of those did he do ? Jesus gave him his word because he believes Jesus can save him, Faith! Every other thing is irrelevant when it comes to qualifying for heaven.

DropsMic:
[s]The only reason the black man embraced the white man's religion is because he is a simpleton who loves rewards and him too dey fear fear (according to fela)

Unlike our traditional religion which didn't have a heaven or a hell, the white man's religion came with the two of them. So when they went around telling our people that living their life the right way wasn't enough, that they’d burn in hell if they didnt give their life to Jesus — but that if they did, they will live forever in heaven, our dumb forefathers dumped their Gods and embraced theirs. They did this not because they loved or understood him or anything but because of their simple [/s]minds.

Do people give this unintelligible black vs White man religion as excuse?

Your "black" religion has cannibalism in the form of money rituals, etc. You want us to leave the perfect "white" Jesus (Jesus was not even White) for sticks&stones of unmovable idols that they usually pour white men drinks like Fanta and Miranda on.

God forbid!!

Weezy463:
Win souls for an invented character??

Proverbs 10:8

Bennycollins:
. I think you are more dumb than your forefathers, yes for you not to think that what makes you more enlightened( if you think you are) than your forefathers was also brought by the white men. You can read and post here courtesy of same white men. God made it so, choosing one person to bring another in darkness to light is normal.
It beats me how people read books some of which were written by so called white men and think they have become too knowledgeable to adopt western idealogies.
Ok, why not stop reading and return to the shrines and deities of you forefathers, killing twins and all that since you are not simpleton and fearless?

His wooden gods made of stone and sticks usually needs the white man drinks of Fanta, etc poured on them to function.

Like Proverbs says. The lips of the foolish tends to destruction.

phemmyfour:
Did Judas and Demas make heaven?

How can a son of perdition make heaven?...
They can never make heaven.
Judas was the devil among the desciples of Christ and Christ is God in body form and Judas was the devil in body form.
Note that Judas and Peter committed same sin, betrayal and denial is same sin but Peter received prayer of atonement from Christ but Judas was already caused before his actions infact he was caused before he was born.
Judas is not of Original seed but of the serpent seed.

DropsMic:
Only one who doesn't know his history would say something like this in public...

Mr man or woman, you don't need to read any book to know that our forefathers were simpletons' the fact that they not only threw away their Gods and embraced the Gods of total strangers, but also actively participated in slave trade, capturing and selling their brothers to the same white man who told them about heaven and hell is enough proof..

Also i don't need to know you personally to know that you are a simpleton too.

What history do you know?

Tell us what the black man records of worship was in the 1st century for example in Nigeria?

jesusjnr2020:
One Subtle Sin That Would Take Many Christians To Hell

It is unforgiveness because Jesus said:

Matthew 6:14-15 (KJV)

For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Moreover, this saying of Jesus was in addition to what He had already said about forgiveness in His teaching about how to pray.

Matthew 6:12 (KJV)

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

However despite the emphasis Jesus placed on the matter of forgiveness, that He reiterated it to show how important it was, many who claim to be His followers still take it lightly, as if Jesus was making a big deal about nothing or didn't know what He was talking about.

The deceptive thing about unforgiveness is its very subtle nature. It seems as though it's normal and not a consequential sin as the others which could take a person to hell, hence many Christians taking it for granted.

However unknown to them, is the fact that it is perhaps the biggest and most influential sin of all, because it's a sin that has the capacity to retain every other sin one has committed, including those one had repented of, as God would not forgive anyone his trespasses if he doesn't forgive others theirs as Jesus had said.

And if God doesn't forgive a person his own sins because he doesn't forgive others theirs, that means the person is surely hell bound.

That's what makes unforgiveness such a dangerous sin.

God bless

Bitterness