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jesusjnr2020:
Sorry about the late response...

On this particular occasion Jesus didn't mention that to show that it's regardless whether they asked for forgiveness or not.

The major objective of this teaching, as someone rightly pointed out here, is for us not to be vengeful, so it's irrespective of what our offenders choose to do.

We cannot do their part for them, we can only do ours which is to forgive. Theirs is to repent.

Jesus after giving this teaching, also led by example by forgiving those who offended Him without their asking for forgiveness or repenting of what they had done to Him, so we ought to follow His example.

God bless.

Thanks

hopefulLandlord:
Christians and their fear fuelled hell preaching again?

Hell always sounded like a cynical marketing ploy designed to make people afraid to leave or displease the particular sect. And it seemed to really kill empathy - 'god says they burn, they burn' doesn't make me think of someone being full of love and compassion and all that.

Eternal punishment for finite transgressions always seemed abusive to me. How can someone look at the idea of a being who would condemn people to that and call it love?

Even when I was a Christian Hell was just too weird for me to accept. Infinite punishment for finite offenses is an eye for an eye on steroids. Punishing people for disobeying nit-picky rules makes God an abusive parent. One reason often given for punishment is to teach the offender not to offend again, but if punishment is eternal then how can the offender benefit from this teaching? Jesus is supposed to be into forgiveness but forgiveness shouldn't involve eternal suffering. Hell isn’t redemptive, it isn’t leading to repentance, it’s simply pain for pain’s sake.

I love this quote: “Heaven and hell seem out of proportion to me: the actions of men do not deserve so much.”

and of course I get the rationalisation of hell by Christians saying its moral accountability and saying bad people go to hell;
that's nonsense and they know it!!!

If Yahweh is real and omniscient, that means he already decided that we're going to hell before he even created us. But if this omniscient deity allows for deathbed conversions, then it doesn't matter what kind of life you lead. You could be a brutal dictator who massacred tens of millions of people, yet still get into heaven if you tell Jesus you're sorry. Your victims could all go to hell for eternity if they never repented. That's how bleeped up Christian morality is.

Maybe Christians can answer a few questions for me. The Bible says that there is ONLY ONE way to get into Heaven: by accepting salvation through Jesus.

So it follows that the Christians who ran the Nazi death camps can get into heaven. But their 6 million Jewish victims must burn for all eternity in the pits of Hell. I've talked to many Christians about this and they just pretty much accept it.

My questions are:

1. How f***ed up do you have to be to believe Nazis can go to Heaven but their 6 million Jewish victims must burn? That's just sick. But Christians believe it. What the f*** is wrong with you people?

2. Why would ANYONE willingly worship a god that would act like that? Is it just a fear thing (better known as cowardice)? And

3. Even if you get into Heaven what makes you think you'll be safe with a psycho god like that running the place? What's to stop your god getting a wild hair up his ass one day and sending Christians to a place so bad it makes Hell look like an ice cream parlor? He used to like the Jews too. Or so the story claims. What makes you think you're safe?

Stop equating God with your level of I.Q....

Anything the Potter wishes to mould with his clay, the clay will never queried the potter.

Anything the blacksmith can use his iron in his workshop to form, the iron can't question the blacksmith authority ... So we humans to God.

BeigJawnson:
Stop equating God with your level of I.Q....

Anything the Potter wishes to mould with his clay, the clay will never queried the potter.

Anything the blacksmith can use his iron in his workshop to form, the iron can't question the blacksmith authority ... So we humans to God.

If the potter doesn't like the clay he made he'd destroy it and make another not punish the clay forever and ever

hopefulLandlord:
If the potter doesn't like the clay he made he'd destroy it and make another not punish the clay forever and ever

If he doesn't like the clay he made? The potter never makes clay...

We are just like clay in the hands of the Potter and if the potter makes a pot that he or she doesn't like, he destroys it and mould another ... That is how we are in God's hand.

BeigJawnson:
If he doesn't like the clay he made? The potter never makes clay...

We are just like clay in the hands of the Potter and if the potter makes a pot that he or she doesn't like, he destroys it and mould another ... That is how we are in God's hand.

Okay, same thing. He destroys what he made and uses the same material to make another thing, right? He doesn't punish the thing he made forever and ever

hopefulLandlord:
Okay, same thing. He destroys what he made and uses the same material to make another thing, right? He doesn't punish the thing he made forever and ever

The pot moulded cant blame the potter, so we can't question God...