While going through a thread where a pastor turned into a babalawo, a lot of Christians were saying that he was never saved or he was never a serious Christian. While I will admit that it's very strange for a pastor to transition directly into a babalowo, its not impossible. And I sincerely hope that he was not a matured Christian because if he was, then it might be impossible for him to get restored. Since he didn't just commit a sin but he denied Jesus. I think that's in Hebrew chapter 6.

It's funny that some Christians think that you can get to a stage where you can't fall. The only situation where that is true is if your mind is totally stayed on God. Apart from that, any Christian can fall no matter how long the person has been a Christian and how mightily God has used him/her. And usually it happens gradually. It might look like he just became a babàlawo suddenly but a battle has been going on his in mind for some time. Unfortunately, satan won the battle in his mind and hence his life.

Let just continue to take heed lest we fall. 1corinthians10:12

As a Christian, always ensure that no day goes by without you reading the Bible and praying in tongues. Your mind has to always be stayed on God. I pray that God will keep us all in perfect peace.

michaelwestern:
While going through a thread where a pastor turned into a babalawo, a lot of Christians were saying that he was never saved or he was never a serious Christian. While I will admit that it's very strange for a pastor to transition directly into a babalowo, its not impossible. And I sincerely hope that he was not a matured Christian because if he was, then it might be impossible for him to get restored. Since he didn't just commit a sin but he denied Jesus. I think that's in Hebrew chapter 6.

You confuse Church going with Christ-likeness aka Christian.

And Christ was consistent in His Service to His Ruler.

But it is known that churchgoers have many masters, hence, they work in many places.

Dtruthspeaker:


You confuse Church going with Christ-likeness aka Christian.

And Christ was consistent in His Service to His Ruler.

But it is known that churchgoers have many masters, hence, they work in many places.

To me, being a Christian just means that you're born again. Being born again does not automatically make you like Christ in your words and actions. You have the righteousness of Christ though.

We're all striving to be like Christ in our thoughts and actions but I don't know anybody that has achieved it. Maybe you have sha, but you do know that Jesus Christ was sinless throughout His earthly ministry.

In the spirit we're exactly like Christ but for our mind and actions to be exactly like Christ takes time, if it's even possible. But that does not mean that a young believer that's still growing is not born-again.

Stop trying to establish your own righteousness and accept the righteousness of Jesus Christ. That's what makes you a Christian.

Dtruthspeaker:


You confuse Church going with Christ-likeness aka Christian.

And Christ was consistent in His Service to His Ruler.

But it is known that churchgoers have many masters, hence, they work in many places.

Noteworthy

michaelwestern:
Let just continue to take heed lest we fall. 1corinthians10:12

As a Christian, always ensure that no day goes by without you reading the Bible and praying in tongues. Your mind has to always be stayed on God. I pray that God will keep us all in perfect peace.

Where in scripture did Jesus Christ tell you to do the above if you are to remain faithful till the end though?

Kobojunkie:
Where in scripture did Jesus Christ tell you to do the above if you are to remain faithful till the end though?

1peter2:2 says that; desire ye the sincere milk of the word that you may grow thereby

Jude20 say; building up your most holy faith by praying in the Spirit.

Since you need the word of God (spiritual food) to grow it follows that you can die spiritually if you don't eat the word of God. It's not compulsory for it to be everyday but if you don't do it daily you can easily neglect doing it. That's how spiritual things are, if you don't intentionally decide to do them regularly, you'll just stop doing them.

michaelwestern:
Being born again does not automatically make you like Christ in your words and actions.
You have the righteousness of Christ though.

Shall a person who is Like Christ, be unrighteous?

Never! For Christ, was always right doing!

Therefore, being born again means being Right Doing Like Christ hence "Christ Like".

There was not ever a stage or time where Christ was never unChrist and unrighteous.

Thus, if you must be like Christ, you must very quickly jettison your unChristlikeness and become as He is, with no excuses and dragging of feet!

michaelwestern:
■ 1peter2:2 says that; desire ye the sincere milk of the word that you may grow thereby

Jude20 say; building up your most holy faith by praying in the Spirit.

■ Since you need the ▪︎word of God (spiritual food) to grow ▪︎it follows that you can die spiritually if you don't eat the word of God. It's not compulsory for it to be everyday but if you don't do it daily you can easily neglect doing it. That's how spiritual things are, if you don't intentionally decide to do them regularly, you'll just stop doing them.

■ So, you interprete what Peter, and then Jude, stated there in their letters there to mean you should read your Bible and speak in tongues, why?

■ Questions from your post
▪︎What is the Word of God?
▪︎How did you arrive at this conclusion that one can die spiritually?

Dtruthspeaker:


Shall a person who is Like Christ, be unrighteous?

Never! For Christ, was always right doing!

Therefore, being born again means being Right Doing Like Christ hence "Christ Like".

There was not ever a stage or time where Christ was never unChrist and unrighteous.

Thus, if you must be like Christ, you must very quickly jettison your unChristlikeness and become as He is, with no excuses and dragging of feet!

You're missing it, being born again has nothing to do with right doing.

Right conducts cannot make you acceptable to God.

It's only believing in Jesus Christ and accepting the righteousness of Jesus Christ by faith that can make you accepted by God.

Kobojunkie:
■ So, you interprete what Peter, and then Jude, stated there in their letters there to mean you should read your Bible and speak in tongues, why?

■ Questions from your post
▪︎What is the Word of God?
▪︎How did you arrive at this conclusion that one can die spiritually?

The Bible is the word of God.

In Romans the Bible said that to be carnally minded is death. That means that if you focus your mind on the things of the world, it can kill you spiritually.

michaelwestern:
1. The Bible is the word of God.

2. In Romans the Bible said that to be carnally minded is death. That means that if you focus your mind on the things of the world, it can kill you spiritually.

1. How did you arrive at that conclusion for yourself?.

2. Paul is instead the supposed writer of the letter to the Romans, so it would be more reasonable to state that Paul said, and not Bible said since your Bible is rather a compendium of books written by different authors, over different periods and in different languages and formats.

Back to what you claim Paul said, from reading through scripture we learn that spirits are eternal in nature, and that death( first Death) as defined by God in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 applies only to humans - from dust you were made and to dust you shall return. So, how does focusing on the world kill an eternal spirit?

3. Also, you didn't respond to my earlier question about how you csme to conclude that what Peter, and then Jude stated there in their letters mean one should read the Bible and speak in tongues.

michaelwestern:

You're missing it, being born again has nothing to do with right doing.

And that is where you are wrong and have been deceived by false prophets.

Being born again means being "right doing always".

michaelwestern:

Right conducts cannot make you acceptable to God.

Then you missed 1 John3:7
"LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU, He that Doeth Righteousness, IS RIGHTEOUS".

1 John 3:10
In this the Children of God are manifest....: WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS (and teacheth not others to do righteousness) IS NOT OF GOD:

So without Righteousness, you can not be said to be different from the way you are when you born, before you started claiming that you are born again, yet no one can see your supposed change in birth!

If you Dangote becomes your father today, IT MUST SHOW, as different from the father you presently have. Same with God and the-evil (D'evil)

That is how born again works. There MUST BE A DRASTIC CHANGE, if in Truth, you have changed (born again).

Dtruthspeaker:


And that is where you are wrong and have been deceived by false prophets.

Being born again means being "right doing always".



Then you missed 1 John3:7 "LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU, He that Doeth Righteousness, IS RIGHTEOUS".

1 John 3:10
In this the Children of God are manifest....: WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS (and teacheth not others to do righteousness) IS NOT OF GOD:

IJohn3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

This shows clearly that it's talking about your spirit. Your spirit is already righteous, and therefore cannot sin. Only righteous works can come out of your spirit. But you can still commit sin in your flesh.

God is a Spirit and you can only worship Him in spirit and in truth. Therefore God does not relate to you based on your outward deeds but by your righteous spirit. Which is why sin is no longer an issue between God and a born again Christian.

Dtruthspeaker:


And that is where you are wrong and have been deceived by false prophets.

Being born again means being "right doing always".



Then you missed 1 John3:7
"LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU, He that Doeth Righteousness, IS RIGHTEOUS".

1 John 3:10
In this the Children of God are manifest....: WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS (and teacheth not others to do righteousness) IS NOT OF GOD:

So without Righteousness, you can not be said to be different from the way you are when you born, before you started claiming that you are born again, yet no one can see your supposed change in birth!

If you Dangote becomes your father today, IT MUST SHOW, as different from the father you presently have. Same with God and the-evil (D'evil)

That is how born again works. There MUST BE A DRASTIC CHANGE, if in Truth, you have changed (born again).

There is definitely a change in nature. But it's by the renewing your mind with the word of God and by the help of the Holy Spirit that you can live a holy life.

You're always holy and righteous to God though. Because God doesn't look at your actions. He relates with you based on the holiness of Jesus Christ.

michaelwestern:
1. IJohn3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

This shows clearly that it's talking about your spirit. Your spirit is already righteous, and therefore cannot sin. Only righteous works can come out of your spirit. But you can still commit sin in your flesh.

2. God is a Spirit and you can only worship Him in spirit and in truth. Therefore God does not relate to you based on your outward deeds but by your righteous spirit.

3. Which is why sin is no longer an issue between God and a born again Christian.

1. Devils and demons are also spirit. So are you somehow insinuating they too are already righteous and so cannot sin?

I mean yes, for us humans, sin is transgression of God's Law aka disobedience, so it is in fact when we disobey God's direct commandment that we are said to commit sin. However, this conclusion of yours that spirit is righteous and hence cannot sin is abit much, don't you think?

Also a bit much is how you arrived at that supposed conclusion from what John wrote there in 1 John 3 vs 9. .

2. Satan, demons and devils are also spirit. So??

3. Hold on a minute! Born-again simply means one is born of Spirit and gained access to the Kingdom of God as a result- John 3 vs 5 - 8. . However, this access is granted through either of two gates : the Broad gate which leads to destruction(Hell) and the Narrow Gate which leads to True Life (Heaven) - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 and Luke 13 vs 22 - 28. What this means is that even those who will end up in eternal damnation(Hell) are also Born-again.

michaelwestern:


IJohn3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;

Did God sin? No! Can God sin? No!

Did God ever sin? No! Can God ever sin? No!

If God can not sin, can His children sin (A mango must bear a mango)? No.

You on the other hand, DO YOU SIN? YES! (you admitted it up there)

ARE YOU CAPABLE OF SINNING? YES!

Therefore, this proves that you are not God's child and therefore, this scripture, IS NOT FOR YOU.

It is for those who do not sin and have overcome their former ability to sin.

It is not for people who sin and who know that they shall soon be sinning, even in the next 3 hours.

michaelwestern:
1. There is definitely a change in nature. But it's by the renewing your mind with the word of God and by the help of the Holy Spirit that you can live a holy life.

2. You're always holy and righteous to God though. Because God doesn't look at your actions. He relates with you based on the holiness of Jesus Christ.

1. That change in nature is of God, not of men - Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27. What God instead calls for us to do and continue in is that we continue in submission and obedience of His teachings(and commandments) to us through Jesus Christ.

2. You instead become holy and righteous through continuous submission to and obedience of the teachings( and commandments) of Jesus Christ, God's Truth. Only the Truth is able to set a one who Is previously born-again free from slavery to sin - John 8 vs 31 - 34 and John 14 vs 15 - 25 . Holiness and righteousness are lifelong endeavors. That is part why Jesus Christ also said those who stand faithful till the end will be saved- Matthew 24 vs 13.

Kobojunkie:
1. Devils and demons are also spirit. So are you somehow insinuating they too are already righteous and so cannot sin?

I mean yes, for us humans, sin is transgression of God's Law aka disobedience, so it is in fact when we disobey God's direct commandment that we are said to commit sin. However, this conclusion of yours that spirit is righteous and hence cannot sin is abit much, don't you think?

Also a bit much is how you arrived at that supposed conclusion from what John wrote there in 1 John 3 vs 9. .

2. Satan, demons and devils are also spirit. So??

3. Hold on a minute! Born-again simply means one is born of Spirit and gained access to the Kingdom of God as a result- John 3 vs 5 - 8. . However, this access is granted through either of two gates : the Broad gate which leads to destruction(Hell) and the Narrow Gate which leads to True Life (Heaven) - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 and Luke 13 vs 22 - 28. What this means is that even those who will end up in eternal damnation(Hell) are also Born-again.

I'm talking about the spirit of a born-again Christian. Demons can't get saved.

The reason why we use the word born-again is because according to 2corinthians 5:17, anybody in Christ is a new creature and old things have passed away.

The flesh and mind of a christian doesn't change at salvation therefore it's only the spirit that becomes a new creature at salvation.

Also, you can't take any verse in the Bible and give it your own private interpretation. It has been clearly established in Romans and Hebrews that your works of righteousness cannot save you, only Jesus can save you and you can't combine both (grace and law). Therefore the book of John cannot go against that. You have to accept the whole Bible as a whole not picking and choosing the verses you like.

Kobojunkie:
1. That change in nature is of God, not of men - Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27. What God instead calls for us to do and continue in is that we continue in submission and obedience of His teachings(and commandments) to us through Jesus Christ.

2. You instead become holy and righteous through continuous submission to and obedience of the teachings( and commandments) of Jesus Christ, God's Truth. Only the Truth is able to set a one who Is previously born-again free from slavery to sin - John 8 vs 31 - 34 and John 14 vs 15 - 25 . Holiness and righteousness are lifelong endeavors. That is part why Jesus Christ also said those who stand faithful till the end will be saved- Matthew 24 vs 13.

2corinthians5:17 is an answer to your first point

You basically agreed with me in your second point except you probably don't speak in tongues so you're trying diminish the work of the Holy Spirit in a believers life.

Dtruthspeaker:


Did God sin? No! Can God sin? No!

Did God ever sin? No! Can God ever sin? No!

If God can not sin, can His children sin (A mango must bear a mango)? No.

You on the other hand, DO YOU SIN? YES! (you admitted it up there)

ARE YOU CAPABLE OF SINNING? YES!

Therefore, this proves that you are not God's child and therefore, this scripture, IS NOT FOR YOU.

It is for those who do not sin and have overcome their former ability to sin.

It is not for people who sin and who know that they shall soon be sinning, even in the next 3 hours.

And I'm telling you that my spirit (which is the real me) cannot sin. Therefore I'm born of God and God does not fellowship with me based on my actions. Rather He fellowships with me through my spirit that cannot sin

Also, there's nobody in this world that does not sin(through their actions or inaction).

michaelwestern:

There is definitely a change in nature.

How can you claim a change in nature, yet we are seeing your nature has not changed?

How can you tell neighbours that you are Dangote's son yet you are still in your father's house and still the you that they know. Shall they not laugh at you and tell you, you are not serious?

My brother, there is no way you can validly argue against me. You can not wade into the water and not come out wet. You can not live in 2 houses at the same time. You can not serve 2 masters at the same time. You can not be a child of God and a child the-evil, at the same time.

Dtruthspeaker:


How can you claim a change in nature, yet we are seeing your nature has not changed?

How can your neighbours that you are Dangote's son yet you are still in your father's house and still the you that they know. Shall they not laugh at you and tell you, you are not serious?

My brother, there is no way you can validly argue against me. You can not safe into the water and not come out wet. You can not live in 2 houses at the same time. You can not serve 2 masters at the same time. You can not be a child of God and a child the-evil, at the same time.

That's because the change in nature occurs in the Spirit and not in behavior.

You can observe changes in behavior but you can't see changes in the Spirit.

By the renewing of the mind and help of the Holy Spirit, there will eventually be observable changes in behavior. The only a problem is that a lot of Christians don't renew their mind by meditating in the word of God and therefore the behavioral changes don't manifest.

michaelwestern:


And I'm telling you that my spirit (which is the real me) cannot sin. .

Now you lie and subject yourself to ridicule for both you and your spirit go together to go and sin. You do not tell it, "stand outside and be innocent" as you go on TO DO UNRIGHTEOUSNESS

And it is the unrighteousness that you do and have done that condemns you.

So, solution, let the 2 or all of you, that makes you, do only righteousness for any part of you that does unrighteousness, will kill all of you as Christ Warned in Mathew 5:30

michaelwestern:
1. 2corinthians5:17 is an answer to your first point

2. You basically agreed with me in your second point except you probably don't speak in tongues so you're trying diminish the work of the Holy Spirit in a believers life.

1. 2 Corinthians 5 vs 17 does not correctly address my first point in any way though..

16 From this time on we don’t think of anyone as the world thinks of people. It is true that in the past we thought of Christ as the world thinks. But we don’t think that way now.
17 When anyone is in Christ, it is a whole new world. The old things are gone; suddenly, everything is new!
18 All this is from God. Through Christ, God made peace between himself and us. And God gave us the work of bringing people into peace with him.
19 I mean that God was in Christ, making peace between the world and himself. In Christ, God did not hold people guilty for their sins. - 2 Corinthians 5 vs 16 - 19

... this since Paul instead there suggests that only those who change from following the Old way to following the New way are indeed those who are in Jesus Christ, just as John the Baptist Himself stated as he admonished the Pharisees who came to Him to be baptized in Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11. Everything are become new there in refernce to the living in submission to and obedience of a New Law, a total new way of life.

2. Actually, i didn't agree with you on the second point since you instead think reading of your Bible a pivotal step in the process when Jesus Christ Himself, using the Pharisees, explained severally that such isn't.

I do speak in tongues, only He does it whenever He wants to - i don't control or command it nor do have full understanding of what it is really about still. I accept it since I am meant to accept the cross I am given for following Him, this as commanded by Him.

michaelwestern:


That's because the change in nature occurs in the Spirit and not in behavior.

Do you not see the madness in this thinking?

Would you ever accept the words of thief who says "he is not a thief in spirit, for he has changed in spirit", yet we see him go about stealing?

Mathew 21:28-31 answered this stupid claim, for we see Christ confirmed our judgement that it is the one WHO PHYSICALLY COMPLIED With His Father's Will And Instruction, that IS THE ONE WHO THE DID THE WILL OF THE FATHER, AND NOT YOU, MR SPIRIT MAN, THE SECOND SON, WHO DID NOTHING!

So you see, no road! Your claim is indefensible and you have been lied to and misled exactly as the atheists tell you.

michaelwestern:
1. I'm talking about the spirit of a born-again Christian. Demons can't get saved.

2. The reason why we use the word born-again is because according to 2corinthians 5:17, anybody in Christ is a new creature and old things have passed away.

3. The flesh and mind of a christian doesn't change at salvation therefore it's only the spirit that becomes a new creature at salvation.

4. Also, you can't take any verse in the Bible and give it your own private interpretation. It has been clearly established in Romans and Hebrews that your works of righteousness cannot save you, only Jesus can save you and you can't combine both (grace and law).

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Therefore the book of John cannot go against that. You have to accept the whole Bible as a whole not picking and choosing the verses you like.

1. And I am explaining to you that Jesus Christ taught that the multitude of those born-again will end up in Hell(eternal damnation).

2. Jesus Christ who is recorded to have first used the term instead explained its meaning to you as it ought to be applied.

And yes, even to those of them who will end up in Hell, old things are indeed passed away since a new chapter begins for them as well, as children of the Devil - John 8 vs 42 - 47

3. I am afraid that isn't entirely true since no one is born with a spirit. It is instead acquired at the point when a person becomes born-again. This is what Jesus Christ explained of what it means to be born-again - born of water and or Spirit in John 3 vs 1 - 8.
So technically there is no becoming a new creature in the spirit since said spirit didn't exist in the person before that point.

Instead becoming a new creature has more with repentance, which involves a changing from the Way(Law or way of living) to being subject to the New Way(Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God) as one who now has a spirit to boot.

4. I gave no verse a private interpretation since I quote Jesus Christ Himself the one who told instead you that only those who live their lives in continuous submission to and obedience of His teachings(and commandments) will be saved.

So unless you are here suggesting the authors of the letter to the Romans and that to the Hebrews directly contradicted the very Truth of God Himself, I suggest you go back to Reread what it is you claim you claim were established in there for you to believe instead.

By the way, grace which refers to Eternal life only saves you from the first Death, it does not grant you access to God's Heaven. So you really need to reassess what it is you think was established for you as it contradicts Jesus Christ..

5. What is written in that verse from John's letter isn't the problem here. Instead what seems your private interpretation or conclusion is here the issue.

John clearly spoke only of those who are born of God aka Sons of God, not of those who are born-again as you instead claim.

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you lie and subject yourself to ridicule for both you and your spirit go together to go and sin. You do not tell it, "stand outside and be innocent" as you go on TO DO UNRIGHTEOUSNESS

And it is the unrighteousness that you do and have done that condemns you.

So, solution, let the 2 or all of you, that makes you, do only righteousness for any part of you that does unrighteousness, will kill all of you as Christ Warned in Mathew 5:30

So basically, you never commit sin?

michaelwestern:


So basically, you never commit sin?

Judgement must come from another person and not from myself!

Kobojunkie:
1. And I am explaining to you that Jesus Christ taught that the multitude of those born-again will end up in Hell(eternal damnation).

2. Jesus Christ who is recorded to have first used the term instead explained its meaning to you as it ought to be applied.

And yes, even to those of them who will end up in Hell, old things are indeed passed away since a new chapter begins for them as well, as children of the Devil - John 8 vs 42 - 47

3. I am afraid that isn't entirely true since no one is born with a spirit. It is instead acquired at the point when a person becomes born-again. This is what Jesus Christ explained of what it means to be born-again - born of water and or Spirit in John 3 vs 1 - 8.
So technically there is no becoming a new creature in the spirit since said spirit didn't exist in the person before that point.

Instead becoming a new creature has more with repentance, which involves a changing from the Way(Law or way of living) to being subject to the New Way(Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God) as one who now has a spirit to boot.

4. I gave no verse a private interpretation since I quote Jesus Christ Himself the one who told instead you that only those who live their lives in continuous submission to and obedience of His teachings(and commandments) will be saved.

So unless you are here suggesting the authors of the letter to the Romans and that to the Hebrews directly contradicted the very Truth of God Himself, I suggest you go back to Reread what it is you claim you claim were established in there for you to believe instead.

By the way, grace which refers to Eternal life only saves you from the first Death, it does not grant you access to God's Heaven. So you really need to reassess what it is you think was established for you as it contradicts Jesus Christ..

5. What is written in that verse from John's letter isn't the problem here. Instead what seems your private interpretation or conclusion is here the issue.

John clearly spoke only of those who are born of God aka Sons of God, not of those who are born-again as you instead claim.

Nobody was born-again until Jesus died so Jesus couldn't have been saying that born-again Christians will go to hell. It's even people that are depending on their own righteousness that might end up in hell.

You become a new creature when you get saved. To have a new creature means that you had an old creature. Nobody can be justified by their own righteousness. Stop deceiving yourself that you will get to a stage where you will be sinless. Accept the righteousness of Jesus Christ.

Why did Jesus Christ die for your sins if your sins will still take you to hell fire? What did Jesus Christ die for then?

Every book in the Bible is the word of God. Jesus Christ didn't write the four gospels Himself. I don't know why you're placing more regards on the four gospels. Every book in the Bible was written physically by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. No book in the Bible is more authoritative than another. Even Jesus Christ quoted old testament scriptures and He called them the word of God.

Dtruthspeaker:


Judgement must come from another person and not from myself!

It's just a simple question. From your own perspective.
Since you got born again;

Have you ever committed any sin?

Kobojunkie:
1. 2 Corinthians 5 vs 17 does not correctly address my first point in any way though..
... this since Paul instead there suggests that only those who change from following the Old way to following the New way are indeed those who are in Jesus Christ, just as John the Baptist Himself stated as he admonished the Pharisees who came to Him to be baptized in Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11. Everything are become new there in refernce to the living in submission to and obedience of a New Law, a total new way of life.

2. Actually, i didn't agree with you on the second point since you instead think reading of your Bible a pivotal step in the process when Jesus Christ Himself, using the Pharisees, explained severally that such isn't.

I do speak in tongues, only He does it whenever He wants to - i don't control or command it nor do have full understanding of what it is really about still. I accept it since I am meant to accept the cross I am given for following Him, this as commanded by Him.

For your first point, check the king James version, it's the closest to the original greek manuscript. You can also check the original greek words. A saved person is a new creature. And this change occurs in a man's spirit.

I don't get your second point. Are you saying that reading the Bible does not help you grow as a Christian? Check 1peter2:2

Lastly, you can speak in tongues anytime you want, I'm currently speaking in tongues as I'm typing. Try it, and you will see that you can also do it anytime.

michaelwestern:
1. Nobody was born-again until Jesus died so Jesus couldn't have been saying that born-again Christians will go to hell. It's even people that are depending on their own righteousness that might end up in hell.

2. You become a new creature when you get saved. To have a new creature means that you had an old creature.

3. Nobody can be justified by their own righteousness. Stop deceiving yourself that you will get to a stage where you will be sinless. Accept the righteousness of Jesus Christ.

4. Why did Jesus Christ die for your sins if your sins will still take you to hell fire? What did Jesus Christ die for then?

5. Every book in the Bible is the word of God. Jesus Christ didn't write the four gospels Himself. I don't know why you're placing more regards on the four gospels. Every book in the Bible was written physically by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. No book in the Bible is more authoritative than another. Even Jesus Christ quoted old testament scriptures and He called them the word of God.

1. I am sorry, what?

Have you ever actually spent time reading through the teachings of Jesus Christ at all. I ask because most every claim you make does not reveal you as one who has every ready done so.

Nicodemus asked a question of Jesus Christ to which Jesus Christ responded that except a man be born-again, He cannot enter into the Kingdom of God, the same Kingdom of God that Jesus Christ explained one can gain access to through either of two gates - the broad gate or the narrow gate - John 3 vs 1 - 8 and Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 Why do you think it ought to matter if nobody was born-again until after Jesus Christ died?

2. But that is exactly the point. There is no old creature since it is still you in the same body you were born with and the mind you had to become born again with. Instead, what is new of you is that you are born of water and of Spirit and now gifted with Eternal life under a new Law and Land..

3. Here's a question at this point. What do you understand righteousness to be all about abeg? You keep throwing that word around as though it fits everywhere you throw it when it absolutely doesn't, not according the one who is standard as far as righteousness is concerned.

4. Jesus Christ did not die for your sins. Instead, He died for the sins of the Old Covenant Jews who He came to call away from following the Old Covenant to following Him instead. He told you this clearly even when He said He was sent to the Lost sheep of Israel aka the sinners in the world at the time.

5. So everywhere even Satan and demon and evil men are quoted in your Bible,it is all Jesus Christ, the one who you are instead told is God's Truth?

Is God a liar then?