coogar:

thread is an epic fail.

norwegian does not belong to any terrorist group like al-qaeda or al-hamburger. he acted alone - killed his own people, born norwegian. he did not even go to any mosque to kill. he attacked ordinary youths. yes - what he did was evil but comparing this lad to al-qaeda is idiotic.

maclatunji:
Do not justify violence or try to explain it away. Poster, you have a valid point but the people you are trying to reform are almost beyond redemption.

PAGAN 9JA:

NO. christians were violent till 50 years back. now they are starting again. all abrahimic religion must be destroyed.

PAGAN 9JA:

havent you heard of the brutal inquistions carried out by the pope on colonies such as those in South America and the Philipines and Goa

millions of Indigenous peoples died or were forcefully converted in those terrible days. the Gods forbid.

also the conversion to christianity of the tribes of Europe was never a smooth affair. 80% of the  conversion were forced and millions died. not to forget the ill treatment of the Natives of North America and Africa during the colonizing of the british.

and lastly, the crusades. the death. the disease.

frosbel:

The pope is not Christian duh!!!!!

frosbel:

The pope is not Christian duh!!!!!


The Pope is the leader of the number 1 cult in the world Catholicism. From this false counterfeit religion invented by Satan to corrupt the body of Christ, we have Knights, Masons, Rosicrucianis etc etc.



In this so called Christian religion you have :

- Praying to dead saints
- Praying to Mary and equating her with GOD
- Incense burning
- Holy water spraying
- infant baptism
- Lies of the demonic mass


Catholicism is not Christianity , you can spend your entire life trying to stick the label to it, but if it does not fit, it ain't the real thing.


Wherewas Islam was started with Violence and is getting incrementally worse as the centuries go by.

Like seriously??

frosbel:

The pope is not Christian duh!!!!!

lakode:

GOOD post , hmmm I have always said terrorism is far beyond religion , as a matter of fact any act of violence is beyond religion .However, one thing religion as achieved is the delineation and segregation of people(even those with common goals).Generally I think all we followers of the so called Religion should be ashamed , ask yourselves what really matters ? is it really the faith or mannerism hmmm ,I think what really matters is LOVE

In Between: CAN YOU IMAGINE PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS AND CATHOLICS ARE ALSO FIGHTING EACH OTHER IN NORTHERN IRELAND(WTF IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD)

PAGAN  9JA:

havent you heard of the brutal inquistions carried out by the pope on colonies such as those in South America and the Philipines and Goa

millions of Indigenous peoples died or were forcefully converted in those terrible days. the Gods forbid.

also the conversion to christianity of the tribes of Europe was never a smooth affair. 80% of the  conversion were forced and millions died. not to forget the ill treatment of the Natives of North America and Africa during the colonizing of the british.

and lastly, the crusades. the death. the disease.



Are you saying that this happened within the last 50 years?,

I agree that the crusades were violent etc and the use of slavery, but is that a true reflection of how Christians spread what they call "the word of God" [b]today. ?



Today Christians preach to people to "convert" them or pray for them, they dont force or kill people if they chose not to be Christians, they attempt to persuade. Except in isolated cases, which are loudly shunned by their own fellow Christians.

There is no Christian equivalent of the fatwa, for instance.


Today even, Boko Horam are using physical force and intimidation to make people convert or force muslims to separate from non muslims.


We don't have to go back 50 years to see evidence of the widespread use of violence to forcefully "convert" people to Islam, it is happening today.


Even if you look at how Islam forced people to convert, you will see there is a historical similiarity to all you pointed out about the crusades etc, but they seem not to have departed from using physical violence as a form of coercion.

Christians, for the most part, have imo.

I don't believe any organised religion myself, but I can see the difference in approach today.

londoner:

The problem with the world is not religion, it is human beings.

Catholics and Protestant Christians against each other, Shia and Sunni Muslims against each other, that's humans for you.

Always looking for trouble, cant just live and let live.

londoner:

@mobinga, yes he IS a Christian, or did you think some Christians are inherently incapable of such?

frosbel:


Any and all people who practice violence are of the DEVI[/b]L , it matters not what name they call themselves , Catholics, Muslims, protestants etc.

[b]"For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies." - John 8:44

Which parts of these scriptures do you not understand.

It shows that a whole majority of people will perish in their sins and lust because they believed a lie and rejected the TRUTH.

frosbel:

^^^



For example maiming and killings in the bible where mainly to defend Israel and also to prevent the corrupting influences of the surrounding nations and their intimate perversion and idolatry such as you have today in a more refined version in Islam and Catholicism.

If you think that God will not destroy sinners, remember Sodom and Gomorrah, God hates sin with a vengeance. Jesus Christ dying for our sins was not some kind of joke or a game God was playing with us.

frosbel:


Any and all people who practice violence are of the DEVIL , it matters not what name they call themselves , Catholics, Muslims, protestants etc.

frosbel:

^^^

Nice try.

Most of the contents of your article or should we say accusations against the God of mankind and the bible, are out of context.

But I agree with you on one aspect, ISLAM is not the main problem, the problem is HATE.

Many peaceful Muslims who are in the majority are at risk of pogroms in Europe because of the far right European Nazi and American hate speeches. So though we point out the errors of Islam we do not demonize all Muslims as mad. In fact just like the majority of Catholics are deluded, the same can be said of Islam. They are all victims to a very clever but also diabolical scheme by Satan to destroy the souls of men.


But the rest of your article in all due respect is more of a rant than anything to do with historical facts.

For example maiming and killings in the bible where mainly to defend Israel and also to prevent the corrupting influences of the surrounding nations and their intimate perversion and idolatry such as you have today in a more refined version in Islam and Catholicism.

If you think that God will not destroy sinners, remember Sodom and Gomorrah, God hates sin with a vengeance. Jesus Christ dying for our sins was not some kind of joke or a game God was playing with us.

Irrespective in the new testament , we have a new convent of grace and mercy. We are to Love our enemies and not kill them.

Please quote to me one comment made by Jesus that influences believers to take up arms against their enemies or persecutors.

The catholic church started from the relics of the roman empire and retained a lot of their pagan worship, mixing with elements of Christianity. A clever ploy by Satan to destroy the gospel.

If you believe the catholic church is christian after studying the bible and historical articles then I cannot help your situation.

frosbel:

^

Please point out the contradictions.

Any religion that is involved in the killing of human beings is of the DEVIL.

The bible clearly says that SATAN was a murderer and it goes on to say by mathematical conclusion that all those who murder or are full of hate CANNOT be of GOD and by consequence must be of SATAN.

Islam and Catholicism have shed too much BLOOD.

They are not , and cannot be of GOD by any stretch of the imagination.

Quote me anywhere.

attitude1:

Just like to chip in my 2 cents here.

This is a lesson to all the people who whip up anti-muslims/anti-islam sentiments. Don't think you are safe because you never know whether a terrorist like this Norwegian man will turn against you or your children instead of the muslims you wish to set up. Think!

Terrorism has nothing to do with race, religion, culture or tribe. The crusades were fought in the name of the cross, the middle age inquisitions of scientists/philosophers were done in the name of the bible, the IRA fought in the name of christ, slavery and colonialism were carried out with the collusion of the clergy men, Hutus and Tutsi are mainly christians, apartheid was carried out by mainly christians. Yet no muslim in his right sense will impose terrorism on the christian beliefs or christian body. So think!

The bible contains multiple verses on killings, maimings, and the order to do so, etc. Yet a sensible interpretation will tell you that this happened within a particular context and should not be taken literally or out of context. Why do differently with the Quran. So think!

I do not deny the fact that some muslims engage in violent/extreme actions, they form a tiny percentage of the muslims in this country or the world as the case may be. There is no justification for their actions. Yes, they are oppressed, unjustifiably occupied and attacked by the powers-that- be, but these do not justify any violent or extreme behaviour. There have always been religious scholars who admonished against these senseless reactions, killings, bombings and the rest.

The message is this; We are all descendants from the same man (Adam) and mother (Eve/Hawwa), hence we should live together in harmony, understanding and peace. We need to join hands together to fight the extreme behaviour amongst us which may have risen either through ignorance, poverty, immaturity, joblessness, evilness or whatever the case may be. We must join hands to create a better society for ourselves and the generations coming.

A word they say is enough for the wise.

londoner:

@Pagan 9ja, so you are saying that as recently as say, 60 years ago, there were Christian crusades? Is that what you saying?

PAGAN 9JA:

@Londoner,
and NO i didnt say it all happened within the last 50 years. i said that before the last 50 years till the birth of christianity, all that happened,