Aidejay:
I Think Most Of The People Debating Tithes & Offering Were More Against The Flamboyant Lifestyle Of Many Of These Pentecostal Pastors And The Way They Placed A Higher Value On Money Than The Actual Word Of God They Were Sent To Preach. But In All There's Bad Examples & Good Examples. Wish Your Dad Quick Recovery. And God Bless People & Churches Who Use Those Tithes & Offering To Do Good Instead Of Buying 3 Private Jets And Driving Rolls Royce.

24 Jesus and his followers went to Capernaum. There the men who collect the two-drachma Temple tax came to Peter and asked, “Does your teacher pay the Temple tax?”
25 Peter answered, “Yes, he does.” Peter went into the house where Jesus was. Before Peter could speak, Jesus said to him, “The kings on the earth get different kinds of taxes from people. But who are those who pay the taxes? Are they the king’s children? Or do other people pay the taxes? What do you think?”
26 Peter answered, “The other people pay the taxes.” Jesus said, “Then the children of the king don’t have to pay taxes - Matthew 17 vs 24 - 26

Kobojunkie:
Those of you who pay tithes/taxes in the name of Jesus Christ deny yourselves sonship with God by your acts of disobedience
As Jesus Christ made clear, the Children of God do not pay taxes/Tithe in His name. So, do we ignore Jesus Christ so we can instead follow the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) instead?

Aidejay:

Even If You Want To Argue Tithing Is Unblical, You Can't Argue That Giving Is. And Giving Attracts Blessings. Especially When That Which Is Given Is Used To Tend To The Sick And Feed The Hungry, Just Like OP's Case.
If You Don't Want To Pay Tithes, That's Okay. So When Was The Last Time You Visited A Hospital To Give To The Sick As A Child Of God.

24 Jesus and his followers went to Capernaum. There the men who collect the two-drachma Temple tax came to Peter and asked, “Does your teacher pay the Temple tax?”
25 Peter answered, “Yes, he does.” Peter went into the house where Jesus was. Before Peter could speak, Jesus said to him, “The kings on the earth get different kinds of taxes from people. But who are those who pay the taxes? Are they the king’s children? Or do other people pay the taxes? What do you think?”
26 Peter answered, “The other people pay the taxes.” Jesus said, “Then the children of the king don’t have to pay taxes - Matthew 17 vs 24 - 26

jom28gy:
By the way you talk shows that you don't know about tithe, you see tithes on human perspectives, not on spiritual aspects of it,too bad, Bible said of it, that whosoever gives tithe don't lack, and cankers worms don't eats, but whoever don't pay tithe,is like a person who that whatsoever person put in his bags lick off, you toiled without warning with good health,a lot about tithes,

Aidejay:
I Think Most Of The People Debating Tithes & Offering Were More Against The Flamboyant Lifestyle Of Many Of These Pentecostal Pastors And The Way They Placed A Higher Value On Money Than The Actual Word Of God They Were Sent To Preach. But In All There's Bad Examples & Good Examples. Wish Your Dad Quick Recovery. And God Bless People & Churches Who Use Those Tithes & Offering To Do Good Instead Of Buying 3 Private Jets And Driving Rolls Royce.

Aidejay:

Even If You Want To Argue Tithing Is Unblical, You Can't Argue That Giving Is. And Giving Attracts Blessings. Especially When That Which Is Given Is Used To Tend To The Sick And Feed The Hungry, Just Like OP's Case.
If You Don't Want To Pay Tithes, That's Okay. So When Was The Last Time You Visited A Hospital To Give To The Sick As A Child Of God.

Without the offerings and Tithes of members they wouldn't have been able to save us. I really don't know where we would have been today.
But in all things Glory to God.

Niklaus398:
true

Kobojunkie:
Why do you people enjoy the lies fed you by ordinary men whom you label gods over yourselves?

Jesus Christ clearly told you that you deny yourselves sonship in His Kingdom when you do these things. Yet you ignore Jesus Christ's eternal Word all so you can continue to worship at the feet of men you call your pastors and mogs, why?

Niklaus398:
1. Giving that's what it is called. You remember when Jesus went to Jerusalem and people were dropping money and a woman dropped a piece of coin... Tell me Kobo, ain't that offering?
Do you know Jesus also put a coin in there.?

2. Infact Jesus said that woman gave the most.
Praytell, ain't that something? Abi hasnt Jesus done the preaching of what you're talking about?.

3. Leave the Men of God alone. If you think you're better...open your church and do better. Let me see how you will fund the church. Buy instruments, pay bills like light, water etc. .how.you will be able to give to the poor amongst you etc.

4. In all we do in this word except maybe you're a billionaire, we have to take money from parishioners to fund the church. What you should be asking for is prudency. Is for.the church to use the money.for the right thing earmarked for it

never [/b]asked anyone to open any of your church's businesses in His name. So why do you conclude that opening one of your churches is the be-all-end-all for those who believe in Jesus Christ? Simple, rather than abide in Jesus Christ, you have instead been abiding in the lives of men and their churches, against Jesus Christ.

4. Jesus Christ [b]never

Kobojunkie:
1. The woman gave offering in the manner that she did because God commanded them in His Old Covenant Law to give tithes and offerings to Him in such a manner. Jesus Christ lived His life in submission and obedience to God's Old Covenant Law and this is why He was able to proclaim that He came to fulfill the law, so His putting a coin in, eating Passover under the Law, etc. , was in obedience to the will of His Father as He made clear to you.

However, in Jesus Christ, we are not commanded by God to give to any temple of tabernacle in much the same way as specified in the Old Covenant. Jesus Christ was clear about this when He went as far as to proclaim that those who love Him are those who obey His commandments - John 14 vs 15 - 20 - and that those who do that which He does not command(using His name) are His enemies- John 15 vs 14.

Jesus Christ never asked anyone of you to give money to a temple or a church or even your pastors and mogs. He specifically said you should give to the poor, your neighbors, and the least among the brethren. So, what you do in your churches which you call giving has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

2. Jesus Christ used the woman as an example to teach His followers that God expects for them to give all the have when they give but He did not ask them to give to temples and to pastors and to the campaigns of mogs. Again, Jesus Christ was specific in stipulating that His followers give to the poor, neighbors, and to the least among the brethren.

3. Jesus Christ never [/b]asked anyone to open any of your church's businesses in His name. So why do you conclude that opening one of your churches is the be-all-end-all for those who believe in Jesus Christ? Simple, rather than abide in Jesus Christ, you have instead been abiding in the lives of men and their churches, against Jesus Christ.

4. Jesus Christ [b]never gave any man permission to take money from His sheep in order to fund church projects, to begin with. He never permitted you to use His Name in your fundraising campaigns or any of your many campaigns and projects, to begin with. So all you do in your churches are antiChrist who never gave you permission to use His name in the way that you do.

Niklaus398:
1. You just called it God old convenant law.. Jesus said we should obey God. So obeying God old convenant is something. Abi isn't the 10 Commandment part of those old convenant laws and yet you agree it is still relevant.

2. I want to ask you, how can the church fund itself without offerings? Please I want to hear from your outstanding wisdom on that?

3. How can they buy equipments. Aid their members and pay workers? Please do indulge me. I'm eager to listen

Kobojunkie:
1. God's Himself called it HIs Old Wine, did He not? And Jesus Christ never asked you to obey God'd Old Covenant Law which God Himself gave as the National Constitution for the Nation which He constituted of the people of Israel - those with the blood of Jacob flowing through their veins - in the land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15-20. Or are you somehow suggesting God is instead a liar now?

God never gave to you what you refer to as the 10 commandments, which in fact were the first 10 commandments of what turned out 613 statues/commandments that make up the Constitution of the Nation of Israel that God gave to the people of Israel when He constituted a Nation of them in the Land of Canaan. What God instead gave to you through Jesus Christ is a different and separate Law, for living in the Kingdom of God.

2. Jesus Christ did not send you or anyone to build your churches using His Name to begin with. Nor did He send anyone out to collect what you call offerings using His Name. So if what you do was never commanded by Jesus Christ, don't you see that not only is it against Him, it is also vain as He made clear in Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 and Mark 7 vs 1 - 13

3. Jesus Christ never asked you to use His name in your purchase of equipment, He never asked you to use HIs name in running your businesses - aiding your members and paying your workers included. He never sent anyone out to do all that using His name, so why do you use His Name against His Will?

Niklaus398:
1. lol go and check the book of Act I'm sure there is a lot of passages talking bout the gathering of the faithfuls which indirectly transformed into the church. Paul talk about that I think he talked about how the faithful can come together and doing some special day's' , interact and help each other.

2. By the faithful coming together they created a congregation of believers those believers became parishioners ...and doing that period they were coming together they use to give offerings I believe to not just buy equipments needed but alp help believers in need.

3. Tht my bro is how the church began. That's why today it is called the bride of Christ.
.Christ himself talk about some churches being hot, cold and warm. (Book of revelation) so if Christ didn't agree with churches..I'm sure he wouldn't in the book of Revelation talk about them

Kobojunkie:
The problem with a whole lot of you is you don't even understand what it is to be a follower of Jesus Christ.

1. So what if the disciples gathered, how does that justify your using the Name of Jesus Christ for your fundraisings, running of your church business, and projects? What have the gatherings written of even in the book of acts to do with your church businesses which Jesus Christ never commanded of anyone?

2. Again, Jesus Christ never asked anyone to build churches using His name, buy church equipment using His name, raise funds using his name, so what has any of that which you continue to describe to do with Jesus Christ who never asked His followers to do any of what you do in His name abeg?

3. What you described is instead how men justify their building of businesses for themselves using Jesus Christ's name without His permission. Jesus Christ never asked anyone to build churches, raise funds, solicit funds from His sheep, etc., using His Name and His Kingdom as the reason. By doing these things you instead sin against God, and your worship of Him is meaningless - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

Niklaus398:
Go and read revelation that talked about the church. Jesus talking about the church.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ is the one whom you claim is your savior, the one who said that by His own hands, His own church will be built... but instead of paying attention to the Law He gave to you over 2000 years ago, you would rather consult the book of Revelations so you can ignore Jesus Christ, why?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ is the one whom you claim is your savior, the one who said that by His own hands, His own church will be built... but instead of paying attention to the Law He gave to you over 2000 years ago, you would rather consult the book of Revelations so you can ignore Jesus Christ, why?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ is the one whom you claim is your savior, the one who said that by His own hands, His own church will be built... but instead of paying attention to the Law He gave to you over 2000 years ago, you would rather consult the book of Revelations so you can ignore Jesus Christ, why?

Niklaus398:
smh. Is revelation not part of the Bible?.. oga no be from same bible you saw Jesus say he will build his church?

Thank God you even talk about church.. what do you think Jesus meant by church or building a Church?

A church is a committee if believers coming together as one on special occasions . A church is also meant to be a sanctuary for people with problems... How do you expect the church to sort out the problems of it members especially finances? They should steal?.
What is the essence of the church if it can't help its members and itself

Obafavour:

No mind the idiot, i don reply am up before you, check am.

Niklaus398:
1. smh. Is revelation not part of the Bible?.. oga no be from same bible you saw Jesus say he will build his church?

2. Thank God you even talk about church.. what do you think Jesus meant by church or building a Church?

A church is a committee if believers coming together as one on special occasions . A church is also meant to be a sanctuary for people with problems... How do you expect the church to sort out the problems of it members especially finances? They should steal?.
What is the essence of the church if it can't help its members and itself

Kobojunkie:
1. When Jesus Christ preached to His followers, did He mention that reading of Revelations was necessary in order to enter into His Heaven?

2. Jesus Christ explained in John 15 that His church was comprised of those who abide in Him and Him in them. He clearly taught you that not everyone who called Him "Lord, Lord!" was His, so for you to confuse your church buildings and gatherings with the Church that is of Jesus Christ reveals how very little Jesus Christ's own teachings mean to you.

Kobojunkie:
1. When Jesus Christ preached to His followers, did He mention that reading of Revelations was necessary in order to enter into His Heaven?

2. Jesus Christ explained in John 15 that His church was comprised of those who abide in Him and Him in them. He clearly taught you that not everyone who called Him "Lord, Lord!" was His, so for you to confuse your church buildings and gatherings with the Church that is of Jesus Christ reveals how very little Jesus Christ's own teachings mean to you.

Niklaus398:
1. go back and read act cause this is clearly dumb. So those who abides in Jesus no dey eat, no dey pay bills, taxes etc? What if they're running through financial problems isn't it the duty of the church to come to their aids?. How can they do that...na by stealing?
2. Where did Jesus say reading any part of the Bible will take u to heaven?. He only talk about actions. Doing those Commandments. Abeg o abeg o. You claiming to be intelligent Mr know-all.
3. If you read revelation you will understand what Jesus says about the churches....were those things he said about the churches did they sound like he was against the church?.Oga think o.
4. Maybe when you bring a congregation of believers together, I wonder how you guys will deal with finances without contribution

25 “So I tell you, don’t worry about the things you need to live—what you will eat, drink, or wear. Life is more important than food, and the body is more important than what you put on it.
26 Look at the birds. They don’t plant, harvest, or save food in barns, but your heavenly Father feeds them. Don’t you know you are worth much more than they are?
27 You cannot add any time to your life by worrying about it.
28 “And why do you worry about clothes? Look at the wildflowers in the field. See how they grow. They don’t work or make clothes for themselves.
29 But I tell you that even Solomon, the great and rich king, was not dressed as beautifully as one of these flowers.
30 If God makes what grows in the field so beautiful, what do you think he will do for you? It’s just grass—one day it’s alive, and the next day someone throws it into a fire. But God cares enough to make it beautiful. Surely he will do much more for you. Your faith is so small!
31 “Don’t worry and say, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’
32 That’s what those people who don’t know God are always thinking about. Don’t worry, because your Father in heaven knows that you need all these things.
33 What you should want most is God’s kingdom and doing what he wants you to do. Then he will give you all these other things you need.
34 So don’t worry about tomorrow. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Tomorrow will have its own worries. - Matthew 6 vs 25 - 34

Kobojunkie:
Those of you who pay tithes/taxes in the name of Jesus Christ deny yourselves sonship with God by your acts of disobedience
As Jesus Christ made clear, the Children of God do not pay taxes/Tithe in His name. So, do we ignore Jesus Christ so we can instead follow the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) instead?

RepoMan007:
When you want to oppose tithe and offering, you accept the reality of analogies. In this case the king being God and his children being exempted from temple tax but same you will narrow down other instances of scriptures to the ancient Israelites on your bid for confusion and discord among God's people.

Kobojunkie:
You are not making any sense to me here.

The one who made the statement recorded in Matthew 17 vs 24 - 26 is Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant, and Gospel in the Kingdom of God, right? And He said what He did in regards to an Old Covenant practice, to one of His followers, Peter, right? ... so, what exactly is your confusion and discord in this?

Also, the reference to Children of God clearly indicates to you in that context that Jesus Christ is speaking here of those who belong in the Kingdom of God, and not those who are of God's Old Covenant Law of Moses, the children of Israel.