UGBE634:
In the south, it is the Igbos if you add Ika,Ikwerre and other Igbo groups in rivers state.

You cannot say for a fact this is the case, Edo south which is the Binis domain did as high as 1.3million in terms of voters registration in 2019. We cannot say the same for Ekiti which did as low as 900,000 in terms of voters registration. And we are the most traveled minority with about a third of Binis outside the shores of the country. My father gave birth to 16 children, I have four of my bethren outside the shores of the country. We cannot also say the same for Osun, although she just had her election , if we should combine the figures of Binis outside the country to the ones at home, it will amount to something significant, there is hardly any home you can't find a Bini abroad, in some homes infact, out of seven bethren, 6 will be outside the shores. Even in some larger family in Benin with over 30 children, some up to 15 Will be there. Check for the Osayi family on facebook and see. We have a diaporan population of about 1.2 to anywhere around 1.5 million

i agree with everything you said except from ibo population compared to Yorubas... The Yorubas have Kwara and Kogi west (more than 27% of kogi) and is spread across several countries unlike the Ibos that are landlocked.

samuk:


You cannot give what you don't have, the yoruba are trying to claim what they were never able to achieved. This is will only intensify as more of them before aware of what Benin represents in world history and black civilisation.

Benin is acclaimed as the only and best example of black civilisation, others such as Egypt is tainted and intertwined with Arabic civilisation. So for everyone black man on earth, it's Benin first.

Most people in Benin city who haven't travelled out of Nigeria to places like Europe and America have no idea of the importance of Benin to the world and black race. Yoruba people who had a head start of travelling to the west took advantage and started writing books to claim Benin as yoruba civilisation.

I never knew the importance of Benin history until I left Nigeria, I always thought it was a local history. Unfortunately some Benin people are being miseducated by Yoruba writers.

Like you said, the stories and lies written by the yoruba and their supporters don't resonate and not in agreement with our oral history and traditions.

'You can not give what you don't have' coming from a delusi0nal clown

ASAPFERG1 nothing we no go see for this forum loool.

BanyXchi:
'You can not give what you don't have' coming from a delusi0nal clown

ASAPFERG1 nothing we no go see for this forum loool.

I feel your pains, but the inflicted pains are not intentional but because some of you have refused to stay on your lanes.

samuk:


You cannot give what you don't have, the yoruba are trying to claim what they were never able to achieved. This is will only intensify as more of them before aware of what Benin represents in world history and black civilisation in the world.

Benin is acclaimed to be the best example of black civilisation, others such as Egypt is tainted and intertwined with Arabic civilisation. So for everyone black man on earth, it's Benin first.

Most people in Benin city who haven't travelled out of Nigeria to places like Europe and America have no idea of the importance of Benin to the world and black race. Yoruba people who had a head start of travelling to the west took advantage and started writing books to claim Benin as yoruba civilisation.

I never knew the importance of Benin history until I left Nigeria, I always thought it was a local history. Unfortunately some Benin people are being miseducated by Yoruba writers. You detect the passion for which some of us outside the country make our contributions. You need to visit the Africa sections of Western museums to fully understand what our ancestors achieved. This is why we feel insulted when their efforts are being undermined by those without history outside fairytales.

Like you said, the stories and lies written by the yoruba and their supporters don't resonate and not in agreement with our oral history and traditions.

Look at the Poorly carried out research, "Ogodo and his son "Ogiso"

BanyXchi:
i agree with everything you said except from ibo population compared to Yorubas... The Yorubas have Kwara and Kogi west (more than 27% of kogi) and is spread across several countries unlike the Ibos that are landlocked.

They are not now, the Igbos in delta and rivers, what do you consider them to be

UGBE634:
They are not now, the Igbos in delta and rivers, what do you consider them to be

they are still landlocked, they don't have access to the ocean, only rivers.... Not only does Yorubas have the largest ethnic coastline but also we're bordered by other countries who share the same ethnicity with us. If you understand what I mean.

BanyXchi:
'You can not give what you don't have' coming from a delusi0nal clown

ASAPFERG1 nothing we no go see for this forum loool.

leave that inconsequential bini boy..
na inferiority complex dey worry am..
no dey argue with all this minority tribes make them nor see you finish..

ASAPFERG1:
leave that inconsequential bini boy..
na inferiority complex dey worry am..
no dey argue with all this minority tribes make them nor see you finish..

Minority wey get history wey una dae try to thief we full ground. We ve frustrated your sister out of here. In strength and in weakness, we will frustrate anyone trying to steal the heritage of our fathers. We have the zeal and just about the right numbers to match you guys

Like if any Benin person will even care about you guys if you don't try to steal our civilization and history

UGBE634:
Minority wey get history wey una dae try to thief we full ground. We ve frustrated your sister out of here. In strength and in weakness, we will frustrate anyone trying to steal the heritage of our fathers. We have the zeal and just about the right numbers to match you guys

Like if any Benin person will even care about you guys if you don't try to steal our civilization and history

listen to me you bloody bini nincompoop.. you are a bloody inconsequential tribe.. go and look for your fellow minority tribes to talk to

UGBE634:
Minority wey get history wey una dae try to thief we full ground. We ve frustrated your sister out of here. In strength and in weakness, we will frustrate anyone trying to steal the heritage of our fathers. We have the zeal and just about the right numbers to match you guys

Like if any Benin person will even care about you guys if you don't try to steal our civilization and history

The pains the guys are going through must be unimaginable with all their so called majority population, Benin history cannot be discussed alongside theirs in the international community. It's Benin history they are teaching their children in United Kingdom schools

Benin will continue to be over 400 years older than their paperweight fairytales. Documentations of Benin history by the Europeans started late 1400s. The Europeans first step their foot into yoruba land in 1824.

Whilst Benin have over 6000 artefacts across the world to back up her history, they have nothing to back up their lies. Their so called historical fairytales ends here in Nigeria, they are nothing but local champions.

ASAPFERG1:
listen to me you bloody bini nincompoop.. you are a bloody inconsequential tribe.. go and look for your fellow minority tribes to talk to

listen to me you son of a thousand father, [b]No[/b]Benin man cares about you or your plentiful lot, all you have to brag with is numbers and nothing more, and that does not matter in the real world, it only shows you are empty, that is why you guys are trying to steal our history for prestige sake. Tell your God forsaken brothers to leave our history alone, If they do that, no Benin man will quote them, I promise you.

To become numerous is not hard as a tribe, it is nothing extraordinary, adopt polygamy as a society and ensure infant mortality rate is reduced, our population right now is enough to give you guys heat when there is need for it.

OyinO:
Not Olu of Warri but the Nana of Itsekiri. Besides, the word [b]Olu [/b]reveals the fact that he's from the Yoruba ethnic stock, meaning he's a migrant Prince to the Warri Kingdom.

Olu was a later addition. The only true name is Ogiame. Loss of Ogiame title would technically invalidate his throne whereas Olu means nothing.

When Okoro/Prince Iginuwa was sent from Benin by his father (Oba Olua) in 1480, he appointed him as "Ogiame" or Lord of the Seas/Waters as his title in his new domain by the coast.
Just about 10 years ago when the late father of current Ogiame (Atunwatse II) wanted to renounce Ogiame title, Warri people and his family advised him to retain the title or abdicate.

See link below: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/09/olu-of-warri-reverts-to-ogiame-title/

In any case, the title Olu can be used by a duke in Benin Kingdom, for example the Olu Awure (Elawure) of Usen, the duke of a Benin-Yoruboid town in Edo South. Of course Ogiame was 500 years plus ago only meant to be a duke under Benin just like Eleko of Lagos was intended.

When the Portuguese-made crown of Ogiame was stolen last year to prevent coronation of current one, he was able to rely on using one of the 14 crown beads that Oba Akenzua had given to his grandfather, Ogiame Erejuwa II, to crown the next 14 Ogiames of Warri. This current Ogiame even said it in his coronation speech last year. You can listen to it online. In essence, using the crown bead from Benin along with the original title are the most important part.

While lots of current Itsekhiri people are a mix of some early Ijebu, lots of Owo/Eastern Yoruba, Benin and other tribes, the royal family and early/senior chiefs/aristocratic families are Benin and moved there in 1480.

The result is that Owo dialect is about 90% similar to Itsekhiri. Both are a mix of Yoruba and Benin and developed own unique flavour. Itsekhiri has some Urhobo language influence too.

AreaFada2:


Olu was a later addition. The only true name is Ogiame. Loss of Ogiame title would technically invalidate his throne whereas Olu means nothing.

When Okoro/Prince Iginuwa was sent from Benin by his father (Oba Olua) in 1480, he appointed him as "Ogiame" or Lord of the Seas/Waters as his title in his new domain by the coast.
Just about 10 years ago when the late father of current Ogiame (Atunwatse II) wanted to renounce Ogiame title, Warri people and his family advised him to retain the title or abdicate.

See link below: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/09/olu-of-warri-reverts-to-ogiame-title/

In any case, the title Olu can be used by a duke in Benin Kingdom, for example the Olu Awure (Elawure) of Usen, the duke of a Benin-Yoruboid town in Edo South. Of course Ogiame was 500 years plus ago only meant to be a duke under Benin just like Eleko of Lagos was intended.

When the Portuguese-made crown of Ogiame was stolen last year to prevent coronation of current one, he was able to rely on using one of the 14 crown beads that Oba Akenzua had given to his grandfather, Ogiame Erejuwa II, to crown the next 14 Ogiames of Warri. This current Ogiame even said it in his coronation speech last year. You can listen to it online. In essence, using the crown bead from Benin along with the original title are the most important part.

While lots of current Itsekhiri people are a mix of some early Ijebu, lots of Owo/Eastern Yoruba, Benin and other tribes, the royal family and early/senior chiefs/aristocratic families are Benin and moved there in 1480.

The result is that Owo dialect is about 90% similar to Itsekhiri. Both are a mix of Yoruba and Benin and developed own unique flavour. Itsekhiri has some Urhobo language influence too.

You have already said it that they have a Yoruboid root. So what happened to Nana of Itsekiri title? Where did it come from and where did it go? Why was it discarded?

OyinO:



You have already said it that they have a Yoruboid root. So what happened to Nana of Itsekiri title? Where did it come from and where did it go? Why was it discarded?

Nanas were in charge of Benin River area during the inter-regnum in the Ogiame stool from 1856-1936. Nanas were basically merchant chiefs. They were not Ogiames.

Out of respect for our Itsekhiri brothers, I won't delve into the inter-regnum issue.

AreaFada2:


Nanas were in charge of Benin River area during the inter-regnum in the Ogiame stool from 1856-1936. Nana were basically merchant chiefs. There were not Ogiames.

Out of respect for our Itsekhiri brothers, I won't delve into inter-regnum issue.

Spill it out at bolded....

History is meant to be said the way it is with no emotions artached

AreaFada2:


Nanas were in charge of Benin River area during the inter-regnum in the Ogiame stool from 1856-1936. Nana were basically merchant chiefs. There were not Ogiames.

Out of respect for our Itsekhiri brothers, I won't delve into inter-regnum issue.

So why was the Olu of Itsekiri once referred to as the Nana of Itsekiri? Thanks

OyinO:


So why was the Olu of Itsekiri once referred to as the Nana of Itsekiri? Thanks

Nana was NEVER an Olu.

In fact Nana was one of the most prominent Benin River administrators and a chief. There were several other Itsekhiri chiefs who were administrators before him.

In fact, Chief Idiare was the first administrator. You know how the British liked to cause confusion, divide and rule back then. Chief Idiare was already administrator before Nana Olomu was even born according to history. In reality, other administrators were not called Nana at all as such. Nana's father was the Ologbotsere of Itsekhiri, not Olu. In fact, Nana hoodwinked the Emaye family that was due to produce the next rotational Administrator after Nana's father. Ologbotsere can serve as Prime minister of Itsekhiri but the Iyatsere can also do that function.

In Benin, the Iyase has always been the prime minister while Ologbosere is 4th in command of the Imperial Army behind the Oba, Iyase and Ezomo. In reality, post Oba Orogbua era, Ezomo became Field Commander and Ologbosere 2-in-c. Unless the Iyase was also at war. Actually if Ezomo went to the war front, Ologbosere stayed behind to defend Benin-City. Chief Edogun also had a vital military command pre-1897. Iyase although has more political power than Ezomo, he didn't actually control troops unless he was specially provided with troops if needs be to go to war. Politically, he also used Iyase to control Ezomo and his military powers.

Oba Ewuare I was a military and administrative genius. He gave Iyase huge political powers but no miliary brigade and his position is not hereditary. Ezomo he gave a huge army to command but with lower political clout. Oba used Iyase to keep the powerful ancient elders/chiefs, the Uzamas in check. A proper chess game master. Quite impressive.

Almost 400 years after Oba Ewuare I, Alafin of Oyo still hadn't checked the powers of Bashorun of Oyo, the prime minister and the tyrannical Bashorun Gaa really dealt with three different Alafins of Oyo, weakened the nation, divided it politically and Dan Fodio was able to pounce. Oyo people should know how Bashorun Gaa used the basket and its content to tell Alafin that his time was up.

The reason we all know Nana is because he fell out with the British to the point that he was exiled to Ghana.
He fell out because the British were now travelling up the Benin River Inland to trade directly with the Urhobos. Urhobos in the house should be able to enlighten us better on this.

This direct trade with Urhobos infuriated Nana and other Itsekhiri merchants of coastal trade with the British. Nana and his people became quite wealthy as trade middlemen between inlanders/Urhobos and the British.

I don't want to dig up old issues, but the Urhobos were attacked by Nana's people, which made Urhobos to stop trading with the British. The British then got very angry with Nana because their now more lucrative trade had been disrupted. The rest is history.

That is what I remember. Maybe our Delta people can expand on it.