MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ only JWs are practicing pure worship!

Sand2022:

That's ok. That's how you see it. Another person here can say the same of his own church or religion.
Keep up your morality no matter where you are. When the day of reckoning comes, we shall know for sure. I believe God will judge us individually.

MaxInDHouse:


Individual judgment is not now!

The first thing is to be obedient to Jesus' born again brothers and readiness to work with them {Matthew 25:34-40} whoever is no one of Jehovah's Witnesses cannot be saved!

The only thing that can make you escape the coming destruction is when you are seriously studying with JWs and making progress that's the only way your name can enter God's memory book! Malachi 3:16

Individual judgment will come after Christ's 1,000 years by that time all those living on this planet would have become perfect so it will be what each person turns out to be that will determine their judgment {Revelations 20:13} but for now it's humility and righteousness that God is using {Zephaniah 2:2-3} that humility means to submit to the imperfect Governing Body chosen to gather Jesus' earthly subjects in preparation of his coming kingdom! Matthew 24:45

So whoever feels like picking at their mistakes thinking Jesus will consider his/her self righteousness is deceiving himself! Matthew 25:41-46

Sand2022:

I wonder where you got that from. Perhaps that's your understanding. The witnesses do not teach that if you're not a JW, you won't be saved. As far as I know, they don't know that for sure. They live the judgment for Jesus.
I assume that's your own belief. But it's good to be let Jesus make that decision. Seriously, you can't know for sure what he will decide. Remember that criminal at his right hand, who knows that even though he is not baptized, nor follow Jesus, he was saved. That should humble us to let the God appointed judge do his work.

Sand2022:

That's not what that scripture says. Any christian can do what that Malachi says, not minding his denomination. Right?

Sand2022:

There lots of wrong statements made here. Would you want to talk about it?

Sand2022:


I wonder where you got that from. Perhaps that's your understanding. The witnesses do not teach that if you're not a JW, you won't be saved. As far as I know, they don't know that for sure. They live the judgment for Jesus.

I assume that's your own belief. But it's good to be let Jesus make that decision. Seriously, you can't know for sure what he will decide. Remember that criminal at his right hand, who knows that even though he is not baptized, nor follow Jesus, he was saved. That should humble us to let the God appointed judge do his work.



That's not what that scripture says. Any christian can do what that Malachi says, not minding his denomination. Right?



There lots of wrong statements made here. Would you want to talk about it?

MaxInDHouse:

It's the case of that the thief that supposed to help you. All we needed is to welcome Jesus' arrangement. That guy exercised great faith because himself and the so called Christ are suffering the same fate yet he reasoned that everything written in God's word about the Christ is fulfilling in this man's life including the prophecy that the Christ will be killed alongside criminals {Isaiah 53:12} that's why he obediently, humbly and faithfully acknowledged Jesus as King. Jesus has no option than to welcome him because all what God required from imperfect humans is humility {Zephaniah 2:2-3} and that thief did just so. You too can do the same by considering the prophecy about Jesus' brothers who are spiritual Jews {Zechariah 8:23} but if you're contemplating on the evil that's befalling them due to the handiworks of faithless people then don't compare yourself with that thief. He had every reason to doubt Jesus who can't save himself!

It must be done in an ORGANIZED manner not just randomly so only JWs are doing that.

Don't hesitate to talk because whatever you're hearing now is your chance of knowing the TRUTH otherwise please ignore me

Individual judgment will come after Christ's 1,000 years by that time all those living on this planet would have become perfect so it will be what each person turns out to be that will determine their judgment {Revelations 20:13} but for now it's humility and righteousness that God is using {Zephaniah 2:2-3} that humility means to submit to the imperfect Governing Body chosen to gather Jesus' earthly subjects in preparation of his coming kingdom! Matthew 24:45

So whoever feels like picking at their mistakes thinking Jesus will consider his/her self righteousness is deceiving himself! Matthew 25:41-46

Courz:


At the bolded, No that's not what JWs teach. From the screenshot below directly from their website, Only Jehovah's witnesses will survive Armaggedon and be saved. You may hear some JWs tell you otherwise but those ones are actually disagreeing with the approved doctrine from Watchtower above which is not allowed in the Cult. You can't disagree with Watchtower.

When discussing with JWs, it is either their way or the highway. They are not people you can sit down and discuss Bible with the hope of interchanging opinions. Don't expect a JW to accept your opinion even if you are right and can prove it with the Bible. It never happens. In case you don't know, Watchtower is Supreme to JWs and whatever they are taught stands even if it is obviously wrong and cannot be found in the Bible. The earlier you understand this, the better while you are chatting with this fellow.

Sand2022:

Good. Wonderful. So we can now see that someone who was not baptized made it to the kingdom. In other words, someone who is not a JW, if we use the JW understanding, made it to God's kingdom. Isn't that revealing?

Sand2022:

Alright your concern is organization. I get it. Well, many churches today are organized.
My oga. I am local.

Sand2022:

You said individual judgment will come after Christs thousand year reign. Is that your understanding or the teaching of JWs?
I agree with this. That's the meaning of that Rev 20;13 you quoted. Fantastic!. After Christ reign, not during. But that's not what JWs teach.
It's good to know that you do your bible study and differ with JW doctrine in some areas. That makes you sincere if you ask me.
Although it is on the "would have become perfect" aspect that I don't know how you arrived at that. If the judgment will be after the thousand year reign, how will all be perfect from the grave?

MaxInDHouse:

There are lots of JWs out there practicing other religions but deep in their hearts they're with the one and only channel so they will continue to argue here and there until they meet JWs.
But even if you're born in the midst of JWs but believe that there are other channels it simply means you're not one of us!
So the thief is a Jew who believe in the Christ but after meeting the Christ he never hesitate to grasp the opportunity of confessing himself as one of Christ's subjects despite his past lifestyle.

Don't deceive yourself! If they're organized to do God's will there won't be any wars!

Whatever you hear from me is JW's teaching (updated) so our light is ever getting brighter!Proverbs 4:18
As for the highlighted resurrection is only for two categories of people:
Righteous ~ those who spent all their lives in pure worship so God has declared them RIGHTEOUS.
Unrighteous ~ those who only lived by conscience without God's laws {Romans 2:14-15} though they don't know God's laws but they soberly subjected themselves to their God's given conscience so they remain unrighteous from God's standpoint but they will be remembered for their virtues. As for those that choose to be wicked they will never see resurrection {Psalms 9:17} they are gone for good.

After the resurrection the Christians will now teach all those that lived by conscience what Christ taught us we will all continue putting on Christ's personality for one thousand years.
From God's standpoint all the people living on planet earth whether Christian or none Christian are like dead because some former unbelievers who lived by conscience will insist on living without Christ's teachings and because it's based on Christ's sacrifice that they were released from the grave, God will allow such a person to live for just 100 years so if after living with us for 100 years without growing older he still refuse to believe in Jesus' sacrifice as what caused his release from the grave he will have to die again and now his blood will be upon his own head because he will die as a youth {Isaiah 65:20} then Satan will be released to test all survivors after 1,000 years! Revelations 20:5-6

After the 1,000 years we will all have become perfect like Adam and Eve so Satan will be released to test all survivors. That is the time each person will be judged based on what they choose to be after they've become perfect. Revelations 20:13

Sand2022:


You don't become a JWs unless you become baptize in the faith. That's not even the point. The point is, the evil man got saved without even being baptized. The basic thing needed is faith in Jesus. With that, Jesus can grant you access to that kingdom without answering any query from anyone.

The reason for the point is this; leave the issue if salvation to Jesus, God appointed judge because you may not know for sure whom he will pick as saved.

Check the answer to the question about salvation from your website.



What do you understand from the word "organization"?



You don't know what JWs teach on this subject. Humbly make research.

Sand2022:


That's ok. That's how you see it. Another person here can say the same of his own church or religion.

Keep up your morality no matter where you are. When the day of reckoning comes, we shall know for sure. I believe God will judge us individually.

Courz:


At the bolded, No that's not what JWs teach. From the screenshot below directly from their website, Only Jehovah's witnesses will survive Armaggedon and be saved. You may hear some JWs tell you otherwise but those ones are actually disagreeing with the approved doctrine from Watchtower above which is not allowed in the Cult. You can't disagree with Watchtower.

Courz:


When discussing with JWs, it is either their way or the highway. They are not people you can sit down and discuss Bible with the hope of interchanging opinions. Don't expect a JW to accept your opinion even if you are right and can prove it with the Bible.

Courz the atheist otenearron confam doesn't believe in the Bible.
What is he proving from the holy Bible he rejects?

Courz:


It never happens. In case you don't know, Watchtower is Supreme to JWs and whatever they are taught stands even if it is obviously wrong and cannot be found in the Bible. The earlier you understand this, the better while you are chatting with this fellow.

Janosky:

Matthew 24:37-39, according to Jesus Christ, will Jehovah God save ONLY his servants?

Isaiah 43:10,21 (ASV) & Acts 15:14, are you aware the disciples identified themselves as Jehovah's servants?

As it was in the days of Noah,so shall it occur again , with Armageddon, only Jehovah's servants survived..
Repeat mode of Noah's day, according to Jesus Christ.

Acts 24:15, after Armageddon the resurrection is for the righteous and the unrighteous."
For the resurrection,JWs (Jehovah's servants don't determine who will get resurrection.

But, Matthew 24:36-39, only Jehovah's servants will be saved.


Courz the atheist otenearron confam doesn't believe in the Bible.
What is he proving from the holy Bible he rejects?


Carry your empty rants offline.
Courz doesn't even believe in the Bible's let alone defend the holy book.

Courz the atheist otenearron confam.
See previous post screenshot

Sand2022:


Good. Wonderful. So we can now see that someone who was not baptized made it to the kingdom. In other words, someone who is not a JW, if we use the JW understanding, made it to God's kingdom. Isn't that revealing?

Sand2022:


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Alright your concern is organization. I get it. Well, many churches today are organized.


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My oga. I am local.

Sand2022:


You said individual judgment will come after Christs thousand year reign. Is that your understanding or the teaching of JWs?

I agree with this. That's the meaning of that Rev 20;13 you quoted. Fantastic!. After Christ reign, not during. But that's not what JWs teach.

Sand2022:



It's good to know that you do your bible study and differ with JW doctrine in some areas. That makes you sincere if you ask me.

Although it is on the "would have become perfect" aspect that I don't know how you arrived at that. If the judgment will be after the thousand year reign, how will all be perfect from the grave?

Sand2022:


Character is more important in the eyes of God, not just the flesh. True. I agree. But the use of soul in the bible seems to be what the guy is talking about. As you say, all creatures are souls. That is the aspect he needs. If you say character is soul, then I don't know if that is what JWs teach. Maybe that's your understanding.

Are we on the same page?

Janosky:

John 5:28-29 = Acts 24:15, resurrection of life for faithful obedient Servants of Jehovah throughout the millennium reign of king Jesus Christ after passing the final test from Satan released from the abyss.
Resurrection of judgement for wilful disobedient ones falling prey to Satan after his release from the abyss.
Acts 2:41-47 & John 20:17,organized for Jehovah's worship.
Not Organization of 3 deities worshippers.
The resurrection of Revelation 20:13 same as resurrection of John 5:28-29 & Acts 24:15.
The millennium reign of Jesus Christ is a period of judgement (to bring mankind to perfection) leading to the final test of Jehovah's servants after Satan's release from abyss.
John 5:28- individuals faithful obedience and passing the final test of Satan is a resurrection of life everlasting.
John 5:29 this is a resurrection of judgement for disobedient individuals failure to attain perfection and succumb to Satan's for testing.
The millennium reign of king Christ would lead mankind to perfection (replace what Adam lost).

Janosky:

Greek lexicon 5590 @ Matthew 10:28 & Mark 3:4 has the same meaning.
Man can kill a soul on the Sabbath or save a soul,says Jesus Christ.
Soul is life/living person (living soul).
The rich fool gained the world & forfeited his soul (loss of life/dead) without prospect of resurrection.
Matthew 10:28, God can resurrect a soul killed by his fellow man on Sabbath, but nobody can resurrect any soul (life or living person) destroyed by God's judgement.

Who resurrected Adam? Who resurrected the rebellious sons of korah ? Who resurrected the wife of Lot or people of Sodom Gomorrah?

God rendered judgement on there case.
Their case closed. No resurrection for them.

The Bible translators deliberately interchange the use of Soul /life to deceptively stick to the Greek philosophy of immortal soul.

Shalom.

Janosky:


John 5:28-29 = Acts 24:15, resurrection of life for faithful obedient Servants of Jehovah throughout the millennium reign of king Jesus Christ after passing the final test from Satan released from the abyss.
Resurrection of judgement for wilful disobedient ones falling prey to Satan after his release from the abyss.


Acts 2:41-47 & John 20:17,organized for Jehovah's worship.
Not Organization of 3 deities worshippers.


The resurrection of Revelation 20:13 same as resurrection of John 5:28-29 & Acts 24:15.
The millennium reign of Jesus Christ is a period of judgement (to bring mankind to perfection) leading to the final test of Jehovah's servants after Satan's release from abyss.
John 5:28- individuals faithful obedience and passing the final test of Satan is a resurrection of life everlasting.
John 5:29 this is a resurrection of judgement for disobedient individuals failure to attain perfection and succumb to Satan's for testing.

The millennium reign of king Christ would lead mankind to perfection (replace what Adam lost).

Janosky:


Matthew 24:36-39, did God judge Noah and his Sons individually? According to Jesus Christ, did Jehovah God save ONLY his servants?

Isaiah 43:10 (ASV) ,Acts 3:13 & Acts 15:14-17, did you notice that Jehovah's servants bear God's name?

Sand2022:


Hmmm. Sorry your logic is hard to figure out. I wonder if the comment is meant for the post your quoted.

Sand2022:


Hmmm. Sorry your logic is hard to figure out. I wonder if the comment is meant for the post your quoted.

Sand2022:


I don't understand. Is that meant for me? Didn you read my comment well?

OgaNightmare:
Sand2022 I'll advise you to avoid these people especially Janosky, it seems he's high on a regular supply of cheap-bethel weed
His replies are just uncoordinated, he can't even comprehend.

Who was even talking about Immortality of the soul?

MaxInDHouse:


So what do you think about Jesus being the "Prince of Peace" {Isaiah 9:6} yet there are over 41,000 of sects in contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines {Luke 11:23} all claiming denominations under Christ {2Corinthians 4:4} and not only that they're all engaging in politics, racism and military services which leads them into killing one another {Revelations 6:3-4} yet they're claiming they believe in Jesus' coming government (Kingdom) Matthew 6:10

So what do you think about Jesus being the "Prince of Peace"

MaxInDHouse:


Despicable idiot!

What did your new teachers say about the verse or let's say what did you feel is the meaning?

Courz:


Mad MaxInDHouse with your Maggot infested brain, explain these verses below. You JWs are really proving me right. You can't explain Bible verses that prove you wrong.

Tell me, why does the verse in the 1st pic say that Jesus went to preach to the Spirits of those who were disobedient to God during the time of Noah? If Souls die and nothing lives on, why does this verse say otherwise?

In the 2nd pic, why did John say that he saw under the altar, Souls of those who were killed because they preached? And these Souls were crying out to Jesus to revenge against those that killed them. Jesus then replied that they should rest a little longer until their fellow believers in Jesus come to join them. Jesus then gives each one of them white robes to wear.

According to your very stupid explanation, You are saying John saw Characters of people killed for Preaching under the altar. These Characters cried out to Jesus. Then Jesus spoke to the characters and gave the characters white robes to wear. Are you seeing why it isn't good to use guesswork to explain verses? Just imagine the stupidity of your explanation when you replace Soul with Character. You are a really big fool and a Disgrace to Anything called intelligent! If you can't explain Bible verses, just shut up! It is better to say nothing. Idiot!

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ only JWs are practicing pure worship!

Sand2022:


Character is more important in the eyes of God, not just the flesh. True. I agree. But the use of soul in the bible seems to be what the guy is talking about. As you say, all creatures are souls. That is the aspect he needs. If you say character is soul, then I don't know if that is what JWs teach. Maybe that's your understanding.

Are we on the same page?

Sand2022:


Hmmm. Sorry your logic is hard to figure out. I wonder if the comment is meant for the post your quoted.

Courz:


At the bolded, No that's not what JWs teach. From the screenshot below directly from their website, Only Jehovah's witnesses will survive Armaggedon and be saved. You may hear some JWs tell you otherwise but those ones are actually disagreeing with the approved doctrine from Watchtower above which is not allowed in the Cult. You can't disagree with Watchtower.

When discussing with JWs, it is either their way or the highway. They are not people you can sit down and discuss Bible with the hope of interchanging opinions. Don't expect a JW to accept your opinion even if you are right and can prove it with the Bible. It never happens. In case you don't know, Watchtower is Supreme to JWs and whatever they are taught stands even if it is obviously wrong and cannot be found in the Bible. The earlier you understand this, the better while you are chatting with this fellow.

achorladey:



See how they use the ONLY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in that publication. A strong word to show they BELIEVE they will be SAVED then some years down the line on their FAQS captured on their website they use FEEL.