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The Untold Miracles Of Holy Koran Vs Miracles Of Jesus by Nobody: 10:42pm On Aug 12, 2011
YES, Qur’an is of course a miracle of all miracles for the following qualities

It is the only religious book which is read/recite and memorized (Hafej) in Arabic only by millions of ordinary believers without understanding the meaning of a single word.

It is the only book having enormous quantities of contradictions, redundancies, inaccuracies yet most Muslims either do not know or afraid to recognize them for fear of being Gunahgar (Sinners.

It is the only book having no chronology, no chapters of definite subject/matters.

It is the only book in which one verse is unrelated to the others, or no chapters (Sura) deal with any particular subject matter, rather whole chapter is a mixer of many subjects haphazardly.

It is the only book which is consider by millions of believers that it was compiled during the life of it’s Prophet, although in reality it was compiled after approximately 20 years of Prophet’s death.

It is the only book having many grammatical errors, had many changes yet believers claim that this book was never changed or have no errors at all.

It is the only book although possesses no true scientific theory at all, yet blind believers claim that, this book foretold many scientific theories.

It is the only book considered by blind believers as the true words of God yet not even 10% human beings really follow it’s (Quran) doctrines 100%.
It is the only book which claims to be most humane book yet in many verses Allah advocated people to kill other people.

It is the only book considered by blind believers as the book which gave most rights to women yet women are mostly oppressed by it’s divine decree.

It is the only book which believers do not like to translate it rather love to read it in Arabic as “Tantar Mantar” without understanding any meaning.

It is the only book by which millions of Dharma Baboshayee earns millions of dollars by cheating ordinary/simple minded Muslims.

It is the only book in which believers can find many self-serving verses for it’s Prophet himself.

It is the only book which cancels/prohibits (null and void) all other religions of mankind and orders to uproot them by force.( Jihad).

It is the only book which right in the beginning orders people to believe in it blindly and then orders to think and see the truth.

It is the only book which claims that prophets were sent to every nations/tribes but all the mentioned prophets are from the Middle-East.

It is the only book which has so much vagueness and ambiguities in it that it can produce killers like Talebans, or Osama-Bin-Laden, and Sufis like Imam Gazzali at the same time.
It is the only book which needed human help to correct its numerical numbers of distributing the property to the heirs.

It is the only book that different sects of its followers are killing and will continue to kill each other even in the mosques to go to heaven ( Shia-Sunni fight in Pakistan). The Catholics-Protestants once killed each other but they had different Bibles.

It is the only book which in clear words advocated some criminal laws (Sharias) of punishment (called Allah’s laws) but in reality those laws are absolutely unfit for the today’s civilized world. In real world, whenever these so called divine (?) laws are in practice in any country (such as Afghanistan, Iran etc)—people (both Muslims and Non-Muslims) start criticizing those followers of Quranic Laws by saying: “They did not obey Sharias in proper way, (or say) they have distorted them” and surprisingly, mullahs never blame the source of these primitive Bedouin Laws.

It is the only book in which verses do exist in support of both the secular thought and the communal thought.
Therefore, Qur’an is an amazing book and “miracle of all miracles” indeed!
Re: The Untold Miracles Of Holy Koran Vs Miracles Of Jesus by Nobody: 10:42pm On Aug 12, 2011
Their are many that disbelieve in the supernatural. The Bible is a book of supernatural events. From the beginning the universe was made supernaturally. If one disbelieves the supernatural miracles of Jesus they will not be able to accept the creation account nor many of the ways God provided or lead his people throughout history.

Some will always look for a natural explanation for some things that have no natural explanation. Others will attribute a supernatural explanation when there is none. We need to look carefully at the events of Scripture to see when it is the hand of God intervening in the affairs of man.

The word miracle is used in two different ways in Scripture. First, it is used to describe an unusual or natural event that occurs at a decisive time without depending on man. This can be an answer to prayer or by the grace of God to intervene. The miracle is in the timing—not necessarily the event itself. There are examples of this type of miracle in the gospels.

Secondly, there is another type of miracle performed by God. This kind of miracle cannot be explained in a natural way, it is supernatural.

Jesus Himself appealed to miracles he caused as a testimony to His Divine character.

All the miracles of Jesus pointed to him as the Messiah. Jesus did not just heal the sick and raise the dead for the express purpose of taking suffering away, but to produce the credentials of his kingdom. Yet he did have compassion on the people and felt their suffering enough to relieve them by showing his concern through love.

From the beginning we find Jesus' ministry having miracles. From changing the water to wine for the celebration of a marriage to increasing the amount of food from the sparse amount his disciples already had.

Jesus life ministry was to physically heal so that they would know from these healings he was their Messiah. Christ performed miracles in every facet of life, in the natural and the supernatural. In Mt.8 he healed a leper which was unheard of in his day.

The four gospels records about thirty-five separate miracles Jesus performed. These were not the only ones he did, but the specific ones the writers picked out under the guidance of the holy Spirit to represent his ministry. At the end of John's gospel he says the books of the world would be filled with his miracle accounts if they were all written down. Only two of His miracles are found in all four gospels, the feeding of the five thousand and the resurrection.

In Matt. 4:23 Jesus healed every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people by some just touching the fringe of His cloak; and as many as touched it were being cured (Mark 6:56). And all the multitude were trying to touch Him, for power was coming from Him and healing them all (Luke 6:19). He did all kinds of miracles and various different illnesses were healed. These include: leprosy, blindness from birth, deafness, paralysis, fever, shriveled limbs, an amputated ear, muteness, and blood hemorrhaging.

In Matthew 8:10,13 Jesus healed a centurion servant without even being present. He healed by touch and from a distance demonstrating that He is Lord of space and time.

He had control over nature by calming the seas. Matthew 8:25-27: "A great storm arose on the Sea of Galilee covering their boat with waves. Then His disciples came to Him and awoke Him, saying, ‘Lord, save us! We are perishing!’ But He said to them, ‘Why are you fearful, O you of little faith?’ Then He arose and rebuked the winds and the sea. And there was a great calm. And the men marveled, saying, ‘Who can this be, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?’ Even his disciples who were living with him could not understand how this was possible. They to were in awe of a man who could control natures rage by a word. Jesus displayed complete authority over the forces of nature. It was the same word that created all things in the book of Genesis. He did not fail once.

Christ proved he was Lord over space and time while not subject to either. All the miracles were defying natural laws.

Jesus would be a prophet like unto Moses-Just as Moses fed the people supernaturally so did the Messiah. He fed 3,000 and 5,000 people fulfilling the prophecy that He would be like Moses. When He walked on water it was similar to Moses parting the waters and walking through without getting wet. A spiritual picture of types. All miracles are pictures of spiritual truths, such as His being the resurrection. Whenever Jesus performed a miracle, it was always done for a specific purpose.

Able to forgive Sins

Mark 2:3-12: Then men came to Him, bringing a paralytic who was carried by four men. And when they could not come near Him because of the crowd, they uncovered the roof where He was. So when they had broken through, they let down the bed on which the paralytic was lying. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven you." And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, "Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?" But immediately, when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they reasoned thus within themselves, He said to them, "Why do you reason about these things in your hearts? "Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, 'Your sins are forgiven you,' or to say, 'Arise, take up your bed and walk'? "But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins"-- He said to the paralytic, "I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house." Immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went out in the presence of them all, so that all were amazed and glorified God, saying, "We never saw anything like this!" ( also found in Matthew 9:1-8.)

The Pharisees objected saying He was speaking blasphemies “only God can forgive sins" (Mt.9:6), and they were right. To dispense a legal pardon could only be done through a sacrifice and from God. To show that He, as the Son of man, had authority and that He was God, He healed the man of his palsy. He healed what they could see, proving He was able to forgive His sins that they couldn’t see.

There are three main basic miracles that would help the Jewish people recognize the Messiah when he came.

1) Healing of a Jewish leper- from the time of Moses and the completing of the Mosaic law no leper had been healed in Israel. No Jewish man was healed of leprosy, Mariam and Nathan were not Jews (Mt.8:2-4 Lk.5:12-16 Mk.1:40-45). 2) Healing and casting out a dumb demon- showing he had power over the visible and invisible realm, 3) the healing of a blind man from birth Jn.9:1-32 only the messiah could heal someone that was blind.

Jesus demonstrated His authority was over life and death. While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.’ . . . And when Jesus came into the ruler’s house, and saw the flute players and the noisy crowd wailing, He said to them, ‘Make room, for the girl is not dead, but sleeping.’ And they laughed Him to scorn. But when the crowd was put outside, He went in and took her by the hand, and the girl arose (Matthew 9:18,23-25).

Even death was subject to His authority. On three occasions He raised someone from the dead. Jairus’ daughter who had just died (Matthew 9:18-26), the widow of Nain’s son who was in the coffin (Luke 7:11-15), and Lazarus Jn.11. Lazarus was left dead for 4 days as the ultimate proof that he could raise one whose corpse started to rot.

Many say that Jesus' followers made legends out of him and invented supernatural stories. However, one of the factors is the brief time that elapsed between Jesus' miraculous public ministry and the publication of the gospels was insufficient for the development of miracle legends. Many eyewitnesses to Jesus' miracles would have still been alive to refute any untrue miracle accounts (see 1 Corinthians 15:6).

One needs to acknowledge the character of the men who witnessed these miracles (Peter, James, and John, for example) and reported it. Such men had no intention of lying, exaggerating, or to misrepresent the truth of the miracles.

Jesus said “If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; “but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works” (John 10:37-38). They would vindicate his personhood. He knew if they considered these it should lead them to the only conclusion that he was indeed who he claimed to be, their creator.

The miracles were DONE PUBLICLY

The Apostle Paul said in Acts 26:25,26 I am not mad, most noble Festus, but speak the words of truth and reason. For the king, before whom I also speak freely, knows these things; for I am convinced that none of these things escapes his attention, since this thing was not done in a corner.

On the day of Pentecost Peter stood up and boldly claimed "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know" (Acts 2:22). This would have been debunked if it were not true, they would have laughed him out of town.

No one, in the early centuries, ever denied His miraculous power.

Jesus and Prophecy

Jesus predicted that the city of Jerusalem would be destroyed. Forty years before it occurred, Jesus gave specifics to its destruction:

Jesus spoke of the temple being destroyed and the manner of its destruction. Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came to Him to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down" (Matthew 24:1,2). Just as he predicted the Romans came in stripped the gold off the glorious temple and tore down the stones.

After this he prophesied that they would be led away until a certain time, "they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. Finally Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled (Luke 21:24).

Jesus spoke of his coming death prophetically. Herein lies an enormous amount of prophecy which was beyond human capability to control. 30 of the Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled in one day.

Jesus also predicted the circumstances surrounding His death and who would be involved.

The LAST Sign to Israel

From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed (Matthew 16:21).

Jesus also predicted the timing of His death would occur during the Passover celebration, and how it would occur by would be by means of crucifixion.

You know that after two days is the Passover, and the Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified (Matthew 26:2).

Hebrew text of Jonah 2:1 actually reads "great fish" not a "whale." Despite those who claim this is not possible we do find proof it is.

There are sea creatures with the capability of swallowing a human being whole. Sperm whales have been known to swallow unusually large objects, including a fifteen-foot long shark! (Frank T. Bullen, Cruise of the Cachalot Round the World After Sperm Whales, London: Smith, 1898 documents this). Both the whale shark, and the blue whale, that are located in this part of the world are able of swallowing a man whole. There are incidents like Jonah's known to occur. Two documented reports of men that have been swallowed by large sea creatures lived to tell about it.

In 1771 Marshall Jenkins, was swallowed alive by a sperm whale and survived. Another was James Bartley. In 1891, a sperm whale that his whaling crew had harpooned swallowed Bartley. The whale got away, but was found and killed shortly afterwards. Bartley was found alive, but unconscious, in the stomach of the whale. He was revived and regained his health in a few short weeks (Ambrose James Wilson, Princeton Theological Revue, October, 1928).

Jesus used the historicity of Jonah's account to confirm his own death and resurrection. Jesus told the religious leaders of His day that the sign of Jonah was going to be the last sign, of his resurrection: "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:39-40).

Its not that Jonah lived three days and nights in the fish but that he actually died and resurrected. The Bible teaches that Jesus was literally dead and then resurrected from the dead. The resurrection of Christ is treated as a historical fact just as the account of Jonah is.

Where are the prophecies and miracles of Mohammed in the Koran? Or Joseph Smith of the Mormons who gave the book of Mormon. Baha'u'llah, Buddha. You name the famous religious person, and what they will lack is predictive prophecy fulfilled and prophecy from their own mouths coming to pass far in the future.

It is quite clear, there never was or will be anyone like Jesus.
Re: The Untold Miracles Of Holy Koran Vs Miracles Of Jesus by Sweetnecta: 12:05am On Aug 13, 2011
Frosbel; a piece of advise; don't write this long. it is not going to make anyone read your cut and paste stuff.

[Quote]Able to forgive Sins[/Quote]didn't forgive the sin of Judas Iscariot.
this is the opposite of what yourself posted about Abu Bakr [ra] who the messenger [as] gave the news of jannah. Many more people were given the same good news of jannah.

Asma'a bint Abu Bakr [ra] was given this good news for merely using part of her money cloth she tied to her waist to tie the provision of her father and the messenger for Hijra to Madina. See how easy to receive Jannah, unlike killing yourself to give it to who ever believe you kill yourself for him?



[Quote]The miracles were DONE PUBLICLY[/Quote]Imagine splitting the full moon? Can it be done privately or locally, since the split of that full moon will be see by all the part of the world that is sharing that time of night with the place where the miracle was performed? This is the reason the King in the part of India became muslim, right away. He saw it and when the news came to him that a prophet split the moon in such and such night, he said we saw it we will be from his community of believers



[Quote]The Apostle Paul said in Acts 26:25,26 I am not mad, most noble Festus, but speak the words of truth and reason. For the king, before whom I also speak freely, knows these things; for I am convinced that none of these things escapes his attention, since this thing was not done in a corner.[/Quote]only if Paul was an eyewitness. Since he wasn't we have to say it is an unreliable evidence of hearsay.



[Quote]On the day of Pentecost Peter stood up and boldly claimed "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know" (Acts 2:22). This would have been debunked if it were not true, they would have laughed him out of town.[/Quote]and at the same pentecost, instead of a man appearing as another comforter, it was a tongue of fire; this is a laugh. My debunking your myth. I will soon educate you below.



[Quote]No one, in the early centuries, ever denied His miraculous power.[/Quote]except him denying his own miraculous power when he said 'of my own power, i can do nothing'. now deny that and see if you are christian or a mere big time denier along with it.



[Quote]Jesus and Prophecy
Jesus predicted that the city of Jerusalem would be destroyed. Forty years before it occurred, Jesus gave specifics to its destruction:
Jesus spoke of the temple being destroyed and the manner of its destruction. Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came to Him to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down" (Matthew 24:1,2). Just as he predicted the Romans came in stripped the gold off the glorious temple and tore down the stones.[/Quote]How about this prediction or prophesy?: Another comforter will come and he will speak only what he hears from God. He will correct your mistakes by it [what are the mistakes; please list them], he will teach you new things [what did he teach them; list them], the will show you thing to come [what did he showed them; list it], the will lead lead you to all truth [what truth; list it] and he will glorify me [how; tell us]?

How about spending 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the earth? Give me 3 days and give me 3 nights [list them].
How about coming back before all the 12 disciples are dead? Has he returned and when or a disciple is still alive, name him.



[Quote]After this he prophesied that they would be led away until a certain time, "they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. Finally Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled (Luke 21:24).
Jesus spoke of his coming death prophetically. Herein lies an enormous amount of prophecy which was beyond human capability to control. 30 of the Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled in one day.[/Quote]with all of that Jesus is short on 3 days and 3 nights. Please count them and i wanna see how you do count [lol].



[Quote]Jesus also predicted the circumstances surrounding His death and who would be involved.[/Quote]Moses did even better; he was accurate since we can not disprove it with something similar to not quiet 3 days and 3 nights of the specific signs of Jesus.



[Quote]The LAST Sign to Israel[/Quote]you are correct in this because right after that God picked from the children of Ibrahim, from the Ismaila branch to talk to all mankind, and just the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Re: The Untold Miracles Of Holy Koran Vs Miracles Of Jesus by LagosShia: 1:09am On Aug 13, 2011
@Sweetnecta

dear brother,

some people only type rubbish to make a show of foolishness.such people cannot be reasoned with when they display such attitude.they invent a lie and they are the first to believe their lie.so,its only foolishness on similar magnitude that would repel him.

let frosbel continue inventing lies and insulting others.it will do him and his christianity no good.nairaland is his playing ground where he throws rubbish.
Re: The Untold Miracles Of Holy Koran Vs Miracles Of Jesus by BetaThings: 7:13am On Aug 13, 2011
Re: The Untold Miracles Of Holy Koran Vs Miracles Of Jesus by Nobody: 8:32am On Aug 13, 2011
^^^^

You and your congregation of blind men keep dilly dallying and refuse to respond to the allegations against your false religion.

Again if you had read my previous article on the common logical fallacies made my Muslims which can be reached here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-731810.0.html , you will understand why you are confusing yourselves more and more and defending the indefensible. Excerpt below.


9. "Red Herring" Arguments: When a Muslim is asked to defend the Qur'an, if he turns around and attacks the reliability of the Bible, the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the Crusades, etc., he is introducing irrelevant issues that have no logical bearing on the truthfulness of Islam. He is trying to divert attention from Islam to other issues.

Furthermore, he is assuming that if he can refute the Bible, then the Qur'an wins by default. If he can refute the Trinity, then Allah wins by default. But this is logically erroneous. You cannot prove your position by refuting someone else's position. The Bible and the Qur'an could both be wrong. Muslims must prove their own book.



You cannot defend ISLAM because it is false, and so you attack the bible and Jesus Christ our LORD and Savior.


I do not mind debating and discussing any article on the bible, but it wearies me to see that you have no answers to all the questions raised against your so called prophet and his deity ALLAH.

And the reason is , you cannot, because it is glaring TRUTH.
Re: The Untold Miracles Of Holy Koran Vs Miracles Of Jesus by LagosShia: 2:11pm On Aug 13, 2011
@frosbel

you can check here and see for yourself how beautifully and logically muslims can prove the Quran is the word of God Almighty:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-729581.0.html


as for christians,even when biblical scholars tell them the bible is corrupt and may be even if Jesus himself does,they will not believe:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-734053.0.html
Re: The Untold Miracles Of Holy Koran Vs Miracles Of Jesus by Nobody: 2:35pm On Aug 13, 2011
as for christians,even when biblical scholars tell them the bible is corrupt and may be even if Jesus himself does,they will not believe:

9. "Red Herring" Arguments: When a Muslim is asked to defend the Qur'an, if he turns around and attacks the reliability of the Bible, the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the Crusades, etc., he is introducing irrelevant issues that have no logical bearing on the truthfulness of Islam. He is trying to divert attention from Islam to other issues.

Furthermore, he is assuming that if he can refute the Bible, then the Qur'an wins by default. If he can refute the Trinity, then Allah wins by default. But this is logically erroneous. You cannot prove your position by refuting someone else's position. The Bible and the Qur'an could both be wrong. Muslims must prove their own book.



You cannot defend ISLAM because it is false, and so you attack the bible and Jesus Christ our LORD and Savior.
Re: The Untold Miracles Of Holy Koran Vs Miracles Of Jesus by Sweetnecta: 7:43pm On Aug 13, 2011
^^^^^^^^^^
@Frosbel; with all the red herring, you are still obliged to hear the truth.

when the truth is told to you, sound mind will not say its red herring. he needs to think about it and realize that he is hearing the truth for the first time, or a lie as usual, by disproving it, instead of just saying red herring.


some silly psychotic person coined a useless term so that he can enslave your thinking, you get stuck in neutral with it, even when the truth is confronting you like life confronts us, daily.

either you are insolent in your ways that you will never accept reality or someone like you needs therapist if not an out right shrink.
Re: The Untold Miracles Of Holy Koran Vs Miracles Of Jesus by LagosShia: 11:32am On Aug 15, 2011
"Killing Children Is Bible Miracle"!:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-735998.0.html
Re: The Untold Miracles Of Holy Koran Vs Miracles Of Jesus by Nobody: 12:08pm On Aug 15, 2011
^^

grin grin grin


So seeing ALLAH's name on a fish's back is a miracle grin grin

Allah's best miracles are inconsequential rubbish and of no value to the improvement of mankind.
Re: The Untold Miracles Of Holy Koran Vs Miracles Of Jesus by LagosShia: 12:21pm On Aug 15, 2011
frosbel:

^^

grin grin grin


So seeing ALLAH's name on a fish's back is a miracle grin grin

Allah's best miracles are inconsequential rubbish and of no value to the improvement of mankind.



please show me where in the Holy Quran that is recorded.better still,show me any weak hadith that recorded that.

but believe,if i have the choice to choose it is by far more miraculous for God's name to appear on His creatures than for Him to kill children because they are mocking a bald man.
Re: The Untold Miracles Of Holy Koran Vs Miracles Of Jesus by Nobody: 8:06pm On Aug 15, 2011
9. "Red Herring" Arguments: When a Muslim is asked to defend the Qur'an, if he turns around and attacks the reliability of the Bible, the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the Crusades, etc., he is introducing irrelevant issues that have no logical bearing on the truthfulness of Islam. He is trying to divert attention from Islam to other issues.

Furthermore, he is assuming that if he can refute the Bible, then the Qur'an wins by default. If he can refute the Trinity, then Allah wins by default. But this is logically erroneous. You cannot prove your position by refuting someone else's position. The Bible and the Qur'an could both be wrong. Muslims must prove their own book.
10. Straw Man Arguments: When you put a false argument into the mouth of your opponent and then proceed to knock it down, you have only created a "straw man" argument, Muslims sometimes either misunderstand or deliberately misquote the arguments Christians give them.
Example:
Some Muslims have built a "straw man" argument that claims that we teach, "The Qur'an teaches that Allah is the Moon-god and that Muslims knowingly believe in and worship the Moon-god and his daughters." They then knock down this "straw man" argument and claim victory. Of course, we never said such nonsense. What we have said is that while the Qur'an claims that Allah is God and Muslims think they are worshipping the one true God, in reality they are worshipping a false god preached by a false prophet according to a false book.
Conclusion

The average Muslim has been deceived by Muslim apologists who use such logical fallacies without regard to reason, fact or honesty. But there are many Muslims who want to be rational in their religion and thus have an open mind to rational discourse. Once they see that their arguments are based on logical fallacies, they will be open to the wonderful news that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for our sins on the cross.

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