cosiocan:
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of Elohim, thought it not robbery to be equal with יהוה‎:

If He was created He won't have the Form of Elohim, he will have the form of the creatures.

Hebrews 1:6-9
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of Elohim worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O Elohim, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore Elohim, even thy Elohim, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Yahushua is not therefore created
יהוה‎ is his Elohim (King) but not his Creator.
Yahushua is our Elohim that's our King.
That's to say יהוה‎ is Elohim or God (King) over Every Creature and Yahushua is Elohim or God (King) over those who have the Spirit of יהוה‎. And Yahushua is not equal with יהוה‎ the Father.

MaxInDHouse:
If Jesus is the first born of all creation who are the so called "creations" that followed the first born?

cosiocan:

Being the firstborn of every creature does not mean He's part of the creatures in the context He was called the firstborn of every creature.

Colossians 1:13-17
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible Elohim, the firstborn of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

All things were created by Him and for Him
That means He's not part of all things that was created. Instead all things that was created belongs to him.

Janosky:

I believe in lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of God.
Born of the Father before all ages"
"BORN", Psalm 90:2.
"FIRST BORN" Colossians1:15.
"FIRST BORN" Genesis 49:3
Trinitarians knew the truth, Jesus Christ is a Creature, but their Trinity GIBBERISH of 3 deities they love, screenshot evidence.

MaxInDHouse:
If Jesus is the first born of all creation who are the so called "creations" that followed the first born?

Tochj:

Jesus is the first Born son of God
Those who believe in him are his Brothers in the kingdom of his father,"John 1:12"

MaxInDHouse:


YES many will become his brother by FAITH but i'm talking about his brothers before the creation of earth!

Tochj:

Before creation, Jesus Christ was the one and only begotten son.
He came to Earth and show us the way to the kingdom.
We believed him and he made us co-heirs with him.

MaxInDHouse:


Begotten means the only creature directly created by God, all other intelligent creatures are also God's children but only Jesus was created directly by God! Proverbs 8:22-31 compare to John:1-1-2

MaxInDHouse:


Begotten means the only creature directly created by God, all other intelligent creatures are also God's children but only Jesus was created directly by God! Proverbs 8:22-31 compare to John:1-1-2

Tochj:

I disagree Sir
Begotten is just like how ur father begat you.
You came out of him
He didn't create you
You are the same substance with him.

Tochj:
Prov.8 is about Wisdom as a virtue not as a substance.

NNTR:
John 3:16-21
16“For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world,
that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son,
so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17For God did not send the Son into the world
to judge and condemn the world. [that is, to initiate the final judgment of the world],
but that the world might be saved through Him
18Whoever believes and has decided to trust in Him [as personal Savior and Lord] is not judged
[for this one, there is no judgment, no rejection, no condemnation];
but the one who does not believe [and has decided to reject Him as personal Savior and Lord]
is judged already [that one has been convicted and sentenced],
because he has not believed and trusted in the name of the [One and] only begotten Son of God
[the One who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, the One who alone can save him].
19This is the judgment [that is, the cause for indictment, the test by which people are judged, the basis for the sentence]:
the Light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
20For every wrongdoer hates the Light, and does not come to the Light
[but shrinks from it] for fear that his [sinful, worthless] activities will be exposed and condemned.
21But whoever practices truth [and does what is right--morally, ethically, spiritually] comes to the Light,
so that his works may be plainly shown to be what they are--accomplished in God
[divinely prompted, done with God’s help, in dependence on Him].”


The word, begotten, in the above passage, implies, uniqueness, meaning, having the quality of being the only one of its kind (i.e. unlike anything else)


Being Trinitarians or not being Trinitarians, yes, Yahushua is begotten and not a created son of God (i.e. Elohim or Godhead) because He self existed before creation, before all creation.

Even John 1:3 tells us that: Jesus is the Creator (i.e. meaning He, Jesus, wasnt created, but that everything was created through Jesus)

Now, what that word, begotten, communicates, is the fact, about the birth of Isaac. Which is, that, Isaac, is the only begotten son of Abram. Here was an impotent man (i.e. unable to copulate) and his menopause wife, Sarah, (i.e. gone well past her fertile years of having children) doing a unique thing of giving birth to a child in such advanced stages of their lives. It is a rare, an unusual, an uncommon et cetera thing to happen.

Yes, just as Isaac's birth is miraculous, so God too, birthed Himself, came down to earth, took on human being body or flesh and became Son of man (i.e. the 'Son of man' phrase, is identifying with the humanity side of Jesus, God Incarnate. The phrase literally means, an offspring or product of a human being). It is unique, it is one of its kind. Just as Isaac's kind of birth is never repeated, so Jesus' kind of birth is never repeated because they are begotten. They are exclusive. They are one-offs. Their kind of births were done, made, or even happened only once, not ever to be repeated again. No one else will have either of the two births again

Interestingly, Isaac, the only begotten son of Abram, in reality, is alluding to Jesus, who is the Lamb of God, and on top, even, the ram that God made available for Abram to do the sacrifice with, is alluding to Jesus Christ, who was sacrificed on the Cross at Calvary

cc: cosiocan, Acehart, BluntTheApostle, Bunnatex, americanigga

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Tochj:
Prov.8 is about Wisdom as a virtue not as a substance.

Janosky:

Oga, is craftsman /architect a virtue?
Proverbs 8:22-30= 1 Corinthians 1:24.
The Wisdom in proverbs 8:22-30 is a Creature.

Janosky:
Dem continue to CHANGE & TWIST Colossians 1:15 & Revelation 3:14, but Genesis 49:3 & Mark 13:19 exposed their Trinitarian deception.

"FIRST born" at Genesis 49:3 & Colossians1:15 is the same meaning.

The word, begotten, in the above passage, implies, uniqueness, meaning, having the quality of being the only one of its kind
(i.e. unlike anything else)
- quoting NNTR

- the word "BEGOTTEN" is applied ONLY to Father and child relationship.

Janosky:
Isaac is BEGOTTEN of Abraham, is Abraham his father?

Janosky:
Jesus is BEGOTTEN of God, is God his Father?

Janosky:
Every BEGOTTEN is a Creature with a Father

Janosky:
The Trinity creed knows this.
"Jesus the only begotten, Born of the Father before all ages , is born before creation.

Janosky:
Dem go dey rigmarole to TWIST the Bible truth.

MaxInDHouse:


Begotten means the only creature directly created by God, all other intelligent creatures are also God's children but only Jesus was created directly by God! Proverbs 8:22-31 compare to John:1-1-2

MaxInDHouse:


The person talking at Proverbs 8 is a creature through whom mankind gained the WISDOM of God, so he is rightly called the wisdom of God!

OgaNightmare:

WRONG!
Begotten comes from the Greek word Monogenes (meaning unique or one of a kind)
Christ was alongside the father before creation.
"ALL THINGS were created through him..."(John 1:3) Therefore he can't be part of the "ALL THINGS"

John 1:18 calls Jesus The only-begotten God. He alone was begotten of God Almighty, he alone dwelled in God's nature, the rest were created beings.

OgaNightmare:

Wisdom personified, just like the holy spirit is being personified throughout the scriptures

NNTR:
Exactly

Watch this k.hiaa, if you, k.hiaa, miraculously have the power, capability and ability to remain being k.hiaa and at the same point, in time, you 'exerchomai yourself out (i.e. you projected, protruded, externalised), to become, still remaining being your k.hiaa, self, but now physically, in the external form of a son/daughter (i.e. Lil' k.hiaa) who is co-existing with you, k.hiaa. Now tell me, k.hiaa, who with respect to this scenario and in your understanding and in regards of conventional wisdom, is k.hiaa and Lil'k.hiaa here then, loll.?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

OgaNightmare:

WRONG!
Begotten comes from the Greek word Monogenes (meaning unique or one of a kind)
Christ was alongside the father before creation.
"ALL THINGS were created through him..."(John 1:3) Therefore he can't be part of the "ALL THINGS"

John 1:18 calls Jesus The only-begotten God. He alone was begotten of God Almighty, he alone dwelled in God's nature, the rest were created beings.

NNTR:

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"Jesus said to them,
“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me."
- John 8:42

Absolutely spot on, and what I've all along have harped on about, hence the reason why I liked the post.

Yes, "exerchomai" is the Greek original word translated as "proceeded forth". By definition, it means, to go or come out of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or of the point from which one departs. John 8:42 above, makes no mistake, where from Jesus proceeded forth and came from.

Though Jesus was God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to, instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, His Son

God can send Himself, and did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ. God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him.

Its often said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic diy aka Do-It-Yourself.

God looked for someone who could build walls or looked for someone to stand in the breach in His presence on behalf of the world so that it won't be destroyed, but He found no one and so God is lumbered with, doing a classic Do-It-Yourself by sending Himself to carry out the redemptive work.

This will explain what the bible said and/or is saying about "begotten" The word translated as "begotten", is the greek word "monogene" "Monogene", means, one and only or better still, one of a kind

Now the word "monogene", is a combination of the root words: "mono" (one or only) and "genos" (of a class or kind) hence "begotten", in the context, or "monogene" in the context means "the only of its kind"

Now, "monogene" occurred also, when similarly used over Isaac, and that is where and when Isaac was referred to, as only son, even when Abraham already had an older son, Ishmael

Isaac was unique, was one and only or one of a kind son. Unique in the sense that, an impotent man and menopaused woman had a child, the promised son, Isaac (i.e. child in a class of its own, this miracle never again has been repeated)

To just clear each other, "begotten" in the Jesus' context isn’t about procreation or some fantasied sexual intercourse

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
"Jesus said to them,
“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me."
- John 8:42

Absolutely spot on, and what I've all along have harped on about, hence the reason why I liked the post.

To just clear each other, "begotten" in the Jesus' context isn’t about procreation or some fantasied sexual intercourse

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

OgaNightmare:
It's obvious you didn't get my point

NNTR:

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"Jesus said to them,
“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me."
- John 8:42

Absolutely spot on, and what I've all along have harped on about, hence the reason why I liked the post.

Janosky:
Ephesians 3:14-15 , 1 Corinthians 3:23 & John 20:17, Everyone, including Jesus Christ owes their name to God our heavenly Father.
If you don't believe Jesus & John @ John 20:17, believe Paul @ 1 Corinthians 3:23.
Paul and John were converts of Jesus Christ.

God is the Life Source of Jesus Christ & everyone. John 5:26.

Jesus Christ is a Creature, Colossians1:15 & Genesis 49:3.

NNTR:

Yes, "exerchomai" is the Greek original word translated as "proceeded forth". By definition, it means, to go or come out of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or of the point from which one departs. John 8:42 above, makes no mistake, where from Jesus proceeded forth and came from.

Matthew 2:6 & John 8:42, Jesus Christ confirmed his point of Origin.
Psalm 90:1-2, God Almighty his Father ORIGINATED from whom?

Trinity na man made scam jare.

NNTR:


Though Jesus was God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to, instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, His Son.

NNTR:
The "the only begotten" phrase, means the only person uniquely gotten (i.e. born) this way. The phrase has nothing to do with God biologically giving birth to Jesus, as a mother, like women do.

Janosky:
[b]Matthew 2:6 & John 8:42, Jesus Christ confirmed his point of Origin.
Psalm 90:1-2, God Almighty his Father ORIGINATED from whom?

Janosky:
Trinity na man made scam jare.

Janosky:
WRONG !
Philippians 2:6 "WAS GOD" is a DUBIOUS ADDITION to the holy Bible in this verse.

Greek scriptures of Philippians 2:6, AUTHENTIC Text:
"Although he was in the form (Greek morphé) of God."- Bill Mounce Greek interlinear Bible.

Janosky:
John 14:28, Jesus said God his Father is Superior, Greater than Jesus Christ his son.