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Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by pleep(m): 3:43pm On Aug 19, 2011
I want to open everyones eyes to the hidden truth about our position in the world.

The international economy is based on capitalist principles, and the world is a macrocosm of what occurs in a capitalist nation. Capitalism is like a pyramid, the only way it can work is if the base is larger than the top. The people at the base are the lower class who do the grunt work, they are the factory workers, seamstresses etc, they do physically demanding jobs that dont require much education or skills. The middle class is the management, while the top of the pyramid is the elites, investment bankers, stock brokers and CEO's, who use the work of the poorer classes to create products to sell back to them for profit.
Inevitably the divide between the richer and poorer gets wider (this is a proven fact)

This same principle applies to nations, the bottom of the Pyramid is Africa and the 3rd world countries, who mindlessly export raw materials. Economic policy that does not require much thought or education, and is physically demanding on the environment. While the top is japan, America and Europe, who use those raw materials to create products to sell back to Africa for a profit. At the end of the day there is a net loss for Africa, and gain for the north. Slowly the divide between the wealthy nations and the 3rd world widens.

in 1980 Africa was at 10% below the poverty line now it is at 80 %.

In this capitalist system the continued wealth of  Europe and America depends on the continued poverty of the rest of humanity, because the base must be bigger than the top. The emergance of China to to top of the pyramid means even more problems for Africa, because the base must widen. Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 years from now.
Do you guys think i would go on an American forum and try to convince them that they should turn socialist? Never, because they actually benefit from capitalism. But to hear Africans supporting capitalism is like hearing a hungry sweatshop worker payed 2$ an hour, praising the unregulated economy of the u.s in the late 19 century.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by Nobody: 6:06pm On Aug 19, 2011
clearly the truth here, but what do you suggest africa do?
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by pleep(m): 10:46pm On Aug 19, 2011
We need to abandon our capitalism economy sad and adopt liberal socialism or communism. This may sound drastic, but capitalism is simply not designed to work for poor nations.

It was doomed to fail from the start because we don't have a strong consumer base. How can can a consumer driven style of economy work when everyone is too poor to buy anything?
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by pleep(m): 11:53pm On Aug 19, 2011
What Africa needs to realize that it is not possible for every country to develop. Because if every nation was 1st world there would be no base on the capitalist pyramid for them to stand on.

Thus, when we plan development schemes it must work outside of the international economy, and look inward.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by tpia5: 12:20am On Aug 20, 2011
in your LGA no doubt.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by pleep(m): 12:25am On Aug 20, 2011
tpia@:

in your LGA no doubt.
Hell to the F[i]u[/i]ck no! i plan on implementing my economic theorys in my LGA First, as chairman or through proxies.

From there i will expand.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by abouzaid: 3:47pm On Aug 20, 2011
The problem is the increased interference of foreign powers in africa. Believe it or not, obj,ibb,abiola,gej are all puppets being manipulated to keep us in chains and divided. Imagine we import refined petroleum products. Nonsense we need a communist/socialist state period
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by Roland17(m): 4:57pm On Aug 20, 2011
Starvation is obviously imminent in the country, if necessary steps are not taken urgently, the lack of attention given to food crops and cash crops in the already neglected agricultural sector is appalling.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by Nobody: 5:25pm On Aug 20, 2011
pleep:

We need to abandon our capitalism economy  sad  and adopt liberal socialism or communism. This may sound drastic, but capitalism is simply not designed to work for poor nations.

It was doomed to fail from the start because we don't have a strong consumer base. How can can a consumer driven style of economy work when everyone is too poor to buy anything?


Have you actually thought this one through properly?
Are you aware there are people starving in communist North Korea, when you propose a simple substitution of one foreign system (communism) for another (capitalism)?
Is it not true to say the bane of Africa has been the wholesale superimposition of these 2 systems across our artificially created Nation-states over the past 50 years?

What about evolving an amalgam of these systems based on the practical realities in Africa, just as Nkrumah once set about doing?

Nkrumah then goes on to write about the intellectual influence of many monumental historical figures:
"I read Hegel, Karl Marx, Engels, Lenin and Mazzine. The writings of these men did much to influence me in my revolutionary ideas and activities, and Karl Marx and Lenin particularly impressed me as I felt sure that their philosophy was capable of solving these problems. But I think that of all the literature that I studied, the book that did more than any other to fire my enthusiasm was the "Philosophy and Opinions of Marcus Garvey" published in 1923."
Nkrumaism: The Quest For A Pan-African Ideology -- http://panafricannews..com/2007/03/nkrumaism-quest-for-pan-african.html
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by Sunofgod(m): 9:07pm On Aug 20, 2011
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by pleep(m): 10:28pm On Aug 20, 2011
eGuerrilla:

Have you actually thought this one through properly?
Are you aware there are people starving in communist North Korea, when you propose a simple substitution of one foreign system (communism) for another (capitalism)?
Is it not true to say the bane of Africa has been the wholesale superimposition of these 2 systems across our artificially created Nation-states over the past 50 years?

What about evolving an amalgam of these systems based on the practical realities in Africa, just as Nkrumah once set about doing?
Nkrumaism: The Quest For A Pan-African Ideology -- http://panafricannews..com/2007/03/nkrumaism-quest-for-pan-african.html

I read through your link, and I agree with you pan-africanism is what we need.
But, i want to remind you to not to stretch communism to the extreme, think less North Korea and more China or Cuba.

Do you know of a Pan- Africanist named Thomas Sankara? he was a socialist, that is the type of socialism i'm talking about. When we adopt socialism we will need to shape it to fit our needs, what we will end up with will be in essence pan-africanism.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by pleep(m): 10:31pm On Aug 20, 2011
abouzaid:

The problem is the increased interference of foreign powers in africa. Believe it or not, obj,ibb,abiola,gej are all puppets being manipulated to keep us in chains and divided. Imagine we import refined petroleum products. Nonsense we need a communist/socialist state period
I like your status comrade. wink
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by ektbear: 6:54am On Aug 21, 2011
No. There will be less starvation in 20 years than now.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by sweetgala(m): 8:09am On Aug 21, 2011
Pan Africanism I think is the answer and I agree strongly with the op . The reason Africa is as such is because the true heroes as Africa emerged from colonism like Sankara and lumumba were attacked for making an honest effort to improve their nations.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by ikeyman00(m): 9:26am On Aug 21, 2011
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i will never buy none of those crap!

the reason Nigeria is in such a mess is duely and soley attributed to people with monkey head running the country

Just to construct ordinary roads na wahala;

dnt even know where to start

Then after so many years of your life; maybe at the age of 70 u like ouch upon all the billions embelzelled there isnt nothing i have done for my country; ouch never know i got a monkey brain until now; so any suprise seeing IBB and OBJ lashing out at eachother

The roads Sadam and Gadaffi left could rarely be seen in Nigeria

Until these human with monkey brain start showing some element of respect to the state nothing will barely change!!
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by pleep(m): 3:07pm On Aug 21, 2011
ikeyman00:

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i will never buy none of those crap!

the reason Nigeria is in such a mess is duely and soley attributed to people with monkey head running the country

Just to construct ordinary roads na wahala;

dnt even know where to start

Then after so many years of your life; maybe at the age of 70 u like ouch upon all the billions embelzelled there isnt nothing i have done for my country; ouch never know i got a monkey brain until now; so any suprise seeing IBB and OBJ lashing out at eachother

The roads Sadam and Gadaffi left could rarely be seen in Nigeria

Until these human with monkey brain start showing some element of respect to the state nothing will barely change!!
Do you know a country never sees meaningfull political change until the size of the middle class supercedes the size of the poor? and example of this is the middle east.

Our government will not become good until we get a middle class, and to achieve that we need to change our economic system.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by pleep(m): 3:09pm On Aug 21, 2011
ekt_bear:

No. There will be less starvation in 20 years than now.
alright. care to elaborate?
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by ektbear: 3:27pm On Aug 21, 2011
Nigeria is getting wealthier per capita, not poorer.

If food prices grow too rapidly, people will invest more in producing it. This will help control the costs of food.

In a nutshell, 20 years from now your typical Nigerian will spend a smaller fraction of his salary on food than today's Nigerian
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by oderemo(m): 3:50pm On Aug 21, 2011
@ekiti bear hug,
you are just but one armchair theorist.
[quote]If food prices grow too rapidly, people will invest more in producing it. This will help control the costs of food.[quote][/quote]
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by ektbear: 3:57pm On Aug 21, 2011
My brother. If the price of cocoa increases, won't more people plant cocoa in Yorubaland?

If the price of coffee increases, won't people plant coffee bean?

When people got tired of expensive iPhones, didn't HTC, Samsung (and the other manufacturers) and Google team up to steal some of Apple's lunch by introducing a cheaper alternative (Droid phones)?

High prices drive increased investment. And I don't think this is theory alone. . . people go to where the money is.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by redsun(m): 4:05pm On Aug 21, 2011
It is time for mankind to wise up.There should be a controlled free market where we all look after one another.A market where profits are controlled and regulated to ethical and reasonable standard,people should not be allowed to cart away all just because they can.

Companies like British Gas should not be allowed to make billions of pounds of profits at the expense of hard up consumers.And even in the declaration of profits,they are still increasing tariff.Their action is wicked,greedy and unreasonable but acceptable in the name of pure capitalism.

Man should be cultured to be his brother's keeper because we are all in this together and we all gonna live together or we perish together.We have to maximize what nature has got to offer because we are nothing without nature
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by oderemo(m): 4:24pm On Aug 21, 2011
Companies like British Gas should not be allowed to make billions of pounds of profits at the expense of hard up consumers.And even in the declaration of profits,they are still increasing tariff.Their action is wicked,greedy and unreasonable but acceptable in the name of pure capitalism
you very funny guy at same tym angrrrry.
have u listen to any news today about how the regulators are looking into the account of b.gas, edf and rest, on these price increases, its absurd.
this coming winter will be hell.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by pleep(m): 11:23pm On Aug 21, 2011
ekt_bear:

Nigeria is getting wealthier per capita, not poorer.

If food prices grow too rapidly, people will invest more in producing it. This will help control the costs of food.

In a nutshell, 20 years from now your typical Nigerian will spend a smaller fraction of his salary on food than today's Nigerian
wow, dude. I wont even try to argue just read these facts.

According to the World Bank, 44 million people around the globe have been pushed into extreme poverty since last June because of rising food prices.

#2 The world is losing topsoil at an astounding rate.  In fact, according to Lester Brown, "one third of the world's cropland is losing topsoil faster than new soil is forming through natural processes".

#3 Due to U.S. ethanol subsidies, almost a third of all corn grown in the United States is now used for fuel.  This is putting a lot of stress on the price of corn.

#4 Due to a lack of water, some countries in the Middle East find themselves forced to almost totally rely on other nations for basic food staples.  For example, it is being projected that there will be no more wheat production in Saudi Arabia by the year 2012.

#5 Water tables all over the globe are being depleted at an alarming rate due to "overpumping".  According to the World Bank, there are 130 million people in China and 175 million people in India that are being fed with grain with water that is being pumped out of aquifers faster than it can be replaced.  So what happens once all of that water is gone?

#6 In the United States, the systematic depletion of the Ogallala Aquifer could eventually turn "America's Breadbasket" back into the "Dust Bowl".

#7 Diseases such as UG99 wheat rust are wiping out increasingly large segments of the world food supply.

#8 The tsunami and subsequent nuclear crisis in Japan have rendered vast agricultural areas in that nation unusable.  In fact, there are many that believe that eventually a significant portion of northern Japan will be considered to be uninhabitable.  Not only that, many are now convinced that the Japanese economy, the third largest economy in the world, is likely to totally collapse as a result of all this.

#9 The price of oil may be the biggest factor on this list.  The way that we produce our food is very heavily dependent on oil.  The way that we transport our food is very heavily dependent on oil.  When you have skyrocketing oil prices, our entire food production system becomes much more expensive.  If the price of oil continues to stay high, we are going to see much higher food prices and some forms of food production will no longer make economic sense at all.

#10 At some point the world could experience a very serious fertilizer shortage.  According to scientists with the Global Phosphorus Research Initiative, the world is not going to have enough phosphorous to meet agricultural demand in just 30 to 40 years.

#11 Food inflation is already devastating many economies around the globe.  For example, India is dealing with an annual food inflation rate of 18 percent.

#12 According to the United Nations, the global price of food reached a new all-time high in February.

#13 According to the World Bank, the global price of food has risen 36% over the past 12 months.

#14 The commodity price of wheat has approximately doubled since last summer.

#15 The commodity price of corn has also about doubled since last summer.

#16 The commodity price of soybeans is up about 50% since last June.

#17 The commodity price of orange juice has doubled since 2009.

#18 There are about 3 billion people around the globe that live on the equivalent of 2 dollars a day or less and the world was already on the verge of economic disaster before this year even began.

#19 2011 has already been one of the craziest years since World War 2.  Revolutions have swept across the Middle East, the United States has gotten involved in the civil war in Libya, Europe is on the verge of a financial meltdown and the U.S. dollar is dying.  None of this is good news for global food production.

#20 There have been persistent rumors of shortages at some of the biggest suppliers of emergency food in the United States.  The following is an excerpt from a recent "special alert" posted on Raiders News Network,

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/20-signs-that-a-horrific-global-food-crisis-is-coming
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by pleep(m): 11:30pm On Aug 21, 2011
but anyway, let me explain my why we will see starvation in Nigeria within 20 yrs in a way that ties more in with the title post.

In Short, the rise of China, ppl in china are getting richer, and as people get richer they eat more meat. It takes 10lbs of grain to produce 1lb of beef. If the Chinese ate as much beef as Americans do we would starve right now. Unfortunatly, they will very soon.

this will drive up the price of grain.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by tpia5: 3:02am On Aug 22, 2011
^like i said before, your LGA will see starvation.

cursed thing.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by pleep(m): 3:05am On Aug 22, 2011
^ No LGA needs to see starvation if we can work together and end this capitalist system. Nigeria does have enough farmland to feed the entire population.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by tpia5: 3:08am On Aug 22, 2011
^^who is we?

yourself and who?

nbo lo ti ja wa to lokun lorun?
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by pleep(m): 3:10am On Aug 22, 2011
well, not people like you it seems.

people who can put their personal wants and desires aside to help their country, and people whos personal wants and desires are to help their country.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by tpia5: 3:12am On Aug 22, 2011
^^i think you're better off with cameroon.

they will handle you the way you need to be handled.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by pleep(m): 3:16am On Aug 22, 2011
don't follow.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by ektbear: 4:24am On Aug 22, 2011
Pleep, you seem to believe food prices will rise arbitrarily high. . . and that the increase in food prices over the next 20 years will overwhelm any growth in incomes.

If you believe this, then fine, more will starve.

But I personally don't believe this.
Re: Expect to see starvation in Nigeria 20 yrs from now. by OneONYX: 12:33pm On Aug 22, 2011
I kinda agree with Pleep. That's why Middle Eastern countries and American corporations are buying up arable lands in Africa by disguising it as "investment". It's a pity that we're feeding ourselves the short-end of the rope on this issue too. I just hope history won't repeat itself, after all, the first Europeans that came to Africa where merely traders (or investors), but they later took advantage of our hospitality and used their superior weapons to subjugate our empires.

Imagine if the world runs out of food and most arable land in Africa belongs to foreign countries and corporation? What will happen to the people of Africa? Will the government reclaim the land, hereby risking war? Or will they collude with their "masters" and watch as history repeats itself? Maybe I'm over-thinking this thing, but there's no universal law that says things that occurred in the past can't happen again, and despite what most of us think, we're only a major disaster away from a "second invasion" of Africa. I read some online comments on Yahoo! in response to an article by an aid organization that was pleading for donations for children starving in Africa (they made it look like the entire continent was starving), what shocked me was that most white Americans still see Africa as a price that they can claim! Comments like: "we should nuke them all, and take their land", or "Africa's so blessed with resources and these people are wasting it, let's just go back and claim it back". These comments are definitely coming from jobless white trash in America, but we really shouldn't doubt that their leaders, or the Chinese, or even the fucking Indians are not thinking the same!!!

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