thorpido:
Jesus said,I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. John 3:12-13

There are things beyond comprehension for the natural mind.Jesus said how will you believe heavenly things anyway?

The Muslim says God is great! The Muslim then begins to query the greatness........such a contradiction! If indeed He is great,then His ways must be beyond human limitations and the Bible rightly says so in Isaiah 55:9....As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

@second bolded,Jesus said no man has gone into heaven except He who came down from heaven.Think about that.

thorpido:
Jesus said,I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. John 3:12-13

There are things beyond comprehension for the natural mind.Jesus said how will you believe heavenly things anyway?

The Muslim says God is great! The Muslim then begins to query the greatness........such a contradiction! If indeed He is great,then His ways must be beyond human limitations and the Bible rightly says so in Isaiah 55:9....As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

@second bolded,Jesus said no man has gone into heaven except He who came down from heaven.Think about that.

AntiChristian:


Was there a time God was incomplete?
Read the OP!

You didn't answer anything but played with words!

thorpido:
Read to comprehend.

In John 17:1-5,Jesus said,
Father, the hour has come.Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Look at the bolded,does that statement sound like there is incompleteness?

Janosky:


Oga, open your eyes and heart to understand John 20:17 & Revelation 3:12.

When you do, you have received sense.

AntiChristian:


How does this answer the OP?
Inspiration gone haywire!

thorpido:
How do the scriptures you quoted mean anything different?

thorpido:
**facepalm**

'In all that getting,get understanding'.Proverbs 4:7.

AntiChristian:
Three Gods exists in the trinity namely:
The father,
Son (Jesus),
and the Holy spirit!

All of them are one yet different! Among the three, the son became human and died for three days leaving only the father and spirit in the world!

Trinity hence became duality for three days when Jesus died!

Was there a time God was incomplete?

” We know very well what they say, when the best of them in his ways will say, “You did not remain more than one day.”” (Quran, 20:102—104)

“It is We who have sent down the Remembrance [i.e., the Quran].” (Quran, 15:9)


“But the godfearing shall be amidst gardens and fountains: ’Enter you them, in peace and security!’ We shall strip away all rancor that is in their breasts; as brothers they shall be upon couches set face to face; no fatigue there shall smite them, neither shall they ever be driven forth from there.” (Quran, 15:45—48)


“ And who is more unjust than one who is reminded of the verses of his Lord; then he turns away from them? Indeed We, from the criminals, will take retribution.” (Quran, 32:22)


“This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Apostle!) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point). (Quran 3:44 )


“And no soul can die except by ALLAH's leave, - a decree with a fixed term. And whoever desires the reward of the present world, WE will give him thereof; and whoever desires the reward of the Hereafter, WE will give him thereof; and WE will surely reward the grateful”. Quran 3:145 S

Glory be to Him Who made His servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the remote mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to HIM some of Our signs; surely He is the Hearing, the Seeing. Quran 17:1

Sahih al-Bukhari 5967
Narrated Mu'adh bin labal:
While I was riding behind the Prophet and between me and him and between me and him there
was only the back of the saddle, he said, "O Mu'adh!" I replied, "Labbaik, 0 Allah's Messenger , and Sa" daik!" he said, "Do you know what is Allah's right upon his slave?" I said, "Allah and His Apostle know best" He said "Allah's right upon his slaves is that they should worship Him alone and not worship anything else besides Him." Then he proceeded for a while and then said, "O Mu'adh bin Jabal!" I replied, "Labbaik, O Allah's Messenger ;, Sa" daik!' He said, "Do you know what is the right of the slaves upon Allah if they do that?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know best." He said, "The right of the slaves upon Allah

Sahih al-Bukhari 3167
Narrated Abu Huraira:
While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle

AntiChristian:


It is finished! You're a weirdo!

Janosky:


Big difference look !
Nothing Trinitarian about John 20:17 & Revelation 3:12.
John 20:17,as a man on earth, Jesus Christ is a son worshipping God with his brothers in the physical realm.
Jesus promised he is ascending to to his God their God.

Revelation 3:5,12, as a spirit in heaven, Jesus Christ repeated what John wrote in John 20:17.
Jesus worshipping his God in heaven and Father in heaven.

Even the reward for faithfulness and obedience belongs to his God & Father?

Revelation 3:21 & Luke 1:31-33, whose throne in heaven does Jesus sit on ?

thorpido:
Lol,you're obsessed by Christianity such that you can't sleep because of Christianity and need to create threads everytime yet you call someone a weirdo?
Anyway,I understand the obsession.
One day you will know Him.

advocatejare:

There are multiple trinity in Islam

AntiChristian:


Discuss that on your thread!
This is mine. You'll discuss Trinity to Duality!

AntiChristian:


How does this answer the OP?
Inspiration gone haywire!

advocatejare:

This is a public forum, you don’t get to tell me what to discuss as long as it’s related to the topic.

Now let’s talk about trinity and duality in islam

AntiChristian:


Is that why you've been typing like a weirdo?

thorpido:
People like you like cherry picking.
In John 10;30,Jesus said,I and my father are one.Please tell me what it means.

thorpido:
Mumu

Janosky:


Big difference look !
Nothing Trinitarian about John 20:17 & Revelation 3:12.
John 20:17,as a man on earth, Jesus Christ is a son worshipping God with his brothers in the physical realm.
Jesus promised he is ascending to to his God their God.

Revelation 3:5,12, as a spirit in heaven, Jesus Christ repeated what John wrote in John 20:17.
Jesus worshipping his God in heaven and Father in heaven.

Even the reward for faithfulness and obedience belongs to his God & Father?

Revelation 3:21 & Luke 1:31-33, whose throne in heaven does Jesus sit on ?

HisSplendor:


Death is a cessation of the natural body. A transmutation from flesh to sprit.

While humans die in flesh, they live in Spirit. God is Spirit. Physical death on the cross is not ceasation of the Spirit.
So, while His flesh died. His Spirit continued to live.

He told the thief on His right side where He'll be after He died that night:

"Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:42).

Three days after, His Spirit reunited with His body at the resurrections.

So, God never ceased to be complete at any time.

We cannot now begin to discuss the mysteries of what happened during those 3 days. The very reasons why the devil would do everything possible to deny the death of Christ.

AntiChristian:

Jesus is not a natural person according to Christians. He is supernatural so natural laws do not apply to him.

Jesus said "I and my father are one". So when Jesus was human then the father too must be human with him!


Where in the Bible did Jesus or God say this?



This is false rendering of the text to make Jesus "special". It is called "the fallacy of accent".

Luke 23:43 (NASB) says, "And he said to him, 'Truly I say to you, today you shall be with me in Paradise,'" indicating that Jesus will be with the malefactor in Paradise later that same day. But if the comma is moved to the other side of "today," an entirely different emphasis results: "Truly I say to you today, you shall (in the future) be with me in Paradise." This is, in fact the correct rendering.



I am of course not interested in the mysteries too. But i want a verse that shows Jesus only died by body but was active in the spirit.
The Bible never said Jesus's spirit didn't die. He died and gave up the spirit.
Jesus was elevated to a 100% Man and 100% God! So it's either he died wholly or he didn't die!

AntiChristian:


Ok then, i will be reporting you appropriately when you derail any of my threads!

Since your own holy spirit is derailed na to perform exorcism remain!

OgaNightmare:

Carry your mumu proselytizing and leave this place... nonsensical nonsense
Advocatejare abeg drop more trinitarian qoutes from the Koran

Narrated By 'Umar (bin Al-Khattab)
My Lord agreed with me in three things:

1. I said,"O Allah's Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g.two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka'ba)". (2.125)

2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.

3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5).
-Sahih Bukhari 1:8:395

HisSplendor:


I'm not here to argue with you. Your false rendering of scriptures does not negate the reality of what happened on the cross.

Yes, Jesus was fully man because of His flesh. He was fully God because of His Spirit. When the flesh dies. That's the Spirit putting off the body. The Spirit lives on. You argue it if you like.

The scripture you asked for is here below. Found in 1Peter 3;18.

"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit."

AntiChristian:


Nobody witnessed what happened on the Cross. Then everyone deserted him and fled. Mark 14:50

God the father is 100% God all the time. God the son Jesus is 100% God all the time and 100% man when he was a man. This makes God the son greater than his father as it makes no sense. Since the son can die then the father can die too right?

But this is a lie that didn't come from Jesus. Peter didn't see Jesus die on the Cross.

HisSplendor:


Did Mohammed see Jesus taken to heaven and replaced by another man as he claimed? Did anyone ever saw any Jubril talking to Mohammed as he claimed?

If you call Peter a liar because he described a spiritual event which couldn't be seen by the naked eye, then how do you prove Mohammed's truth?

And for your information, the soldiers who witnessed the death of Christ on the cross eventually became christians. So, the details of what happened at the cross was not lost to the disciples.

AntiChristian:


At least tell what people can verify!

1. Not one of the disciples saw Jesus die on the cross.
2. You made the claim that the soldiers became "Christians"

Show us the verse where they became Christians?
What are there names?
How many are they?