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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by Masterito(m): 10:31pm On Dec 15, 2022
What do you believe?
ken6488:
grin You believe that
Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by Dvdpity: 10:59pm On Dec 15, 2022
TenQ:

It seems you don't know that Russia is under the curse of OIL!

Apart from armoured tanks and artillery, tell me when you saw made in Russia
Clothes
Shoes
Electronics
Electrical Equipment
Paper
Etc.

Russia is a slave of importation: and this was not caused by the West but by themselves.

Russia seem to have the weakest currency amongst the developed world especially in Europe zone. Just check their average wage. Even Ukraine seem to fare better.

Russia should have made friends with Ukraine rather than showing them they are their boss.

Russia caused this war
Not Ukraine
Not NATO
Not USA
Illiteracy is a disease.

The second largest ethnicity in Ukraine are russians.
Russians and Ukrainians originated from Kevin rus.
The war in Ukraine was created by USA via 2014 coup.
Enlighten your self. And stop believing in western MSM, just like how they invaded Iraq under the pretext of them having WMD. Uptil today USA and NATO vessels are yet to find Iraq WMD.

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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by ariesbull: 6:00am On Dec 16, 2022
Dvdpity:

Illiteracy is a disease.

The second largest ethnicity in Ukraine are russians.
Russians and Ukrainians originated from Kevin rus.
The war in Ukraine was created by USA via 2014 coup.
Enlighten your self. And stop believing in western MSM, just like how they invaded Iraq under the pretext of them having WMD. Uptil today USA and NATO vessels are yet to find Iraq WMD.
you are absolutely correct with 2014

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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by TenQ: 6:23am On Dec 16, 2022
Kyiv (Capital of Ukraine) is 665 years older than Moscow. “Kyiv" (Ukraine) was founded in 432 CE, in 1982 it was the 1,500th anniversary. Russia was founded in 1547. If you are talking about Modern Speaking, Ukraine was founded in 1918, and then later was annexed by the Soviet Union, and on August 24th, 1991 Ukraine got its independence, Russia got its independence in December of 1991, so Ukraine “Modernly speaking" is 4 months older than Russia.

Is Russia the Soviet Union or the capital of Soviet Union?

Dvdpity:

Illiteracy is a disease.

The second largest ethnicity in Ukraine are russians.
Russians and Ukrainians originated from Kevin rus.
The war in Ukraine was created by USA via 2014 coup.
Enlighten your self. And stop believing in western MSM, just like how they invaded Iraq under the pretext of them having WMD. Uptil today USA and NATO vessels are yet to find Iraq WMD.
So, it was the USA that invaded Russia by annexing Crimea?
The Coup was done by USA in Russia?
Are you saying that Russia then DEFENDED Ukraine by annexing Cremia from them?

Your logic is appalling!


You think anyone that supports Ukraine must be friends with NATO?


Okay, can you tell us just ONE good thing Ukraine's neighbour Russia is doing in aid to Ukraine?
You seem to be saying that you want Ukraine be EXACTLY like Belarus ?
Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by Tochj(m): 6:42am On Dec 16, 2022
God1000:
Fake news

Trust me guys, Putin is praying for this war to end, Russia has already lost over 100.000 soldiers and the casualties keep increasing everyday

Whatever Putin does now is just to save face

shameless Putin who underestimated Ukraine right from day one.

He's been humbled

Putin's harmful expansionism must be stopped
According to CNN and BBC

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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by Toktee(m): 11:24am On Dec 16, 2022
Dvdpity:

How many countries have USA and her NATO vessels invaded? Barawo. Keep lying to your self.
Did you and yours have any idea how many countries Russia invaded?
Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by Toktee(m): 11:38am On Dec 16, 2022
Kingsnairaland:
If you suddenly decide to declare Russia an international aggressor, read these facts and figures. Over 3 million people - that's how many foreigners the US military has killed in 60 invasions of sovereign nations under the pretext of bringing "democracy"?
Cuba (1906) - ?
Nicaragua (1912) - ?
Haiti (1915) - ?
Dominican Republic (1916) - ? 29
Russia (1918) - 2,000
Japan (1945)- 246000
Philippines (1948-1953) - 160,000
Puerto Rico (1950) - 29
Korea (1950-1953) - 570
Guatemala (1954) - 100000
Lebanon (1958) - ?
Panama (1958) - 734
Laos (1959) - 3,000
Haiti (1959) - 2204
Ecuador (1960) - ?
Guatemala (1960) - ?
Dominican Republic (1965) - 2500
Vietnam (1964-1975) - ? 850132
Guatemala (1966) - ?
Indonesia (1966) - ?
Philippines (1966) - ?
Cambodia (1967) - ? 300.000
Laos (1971-1973) - ?
Nicaragua (1972) - ?
El Salvador (1977) - ? 75.000
Grenada (1983) - ?
Libya (1986) - ?
Iran (1980) - ?
Lebanon (1982) - ? 144000
Grenada (1983) - 141
Libya (1986) - 45
Honduras (1988) - ?
Iran (1988) - 290
Virgin Islands (1989) - ?
Panama (1989) - ? 734
Iraq (1991) - ?
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992 - 1995) - ? 98.000
Somalia (1992 -1994) - ? 1,000
Haiti (1994) - ? 200
Sudan (1998) - ?
Yugoslavia (1999) - 5,700
Afghanistan (2001-2021) - 103000
Iraq (2003-2011) - 690000
Iraq (2011-2017) - 170000
Liberia (2003) - 150000
Pakistan (2004) - 108000
Libya (2011) - 40000
Syria (2013) - 2286
Yemen (2015) - 11000
Cameroon (2015) - ?
Libya (2015) - 1,000
And then there were the color revolutions perpetrated (or thwarted) by the US in Georgia (2003), Ukraine (2004, 2014), Kyrgyzstan (2005), Tunisia (2011), Armenia (2008, 2015), Russia (2010, 2013), Belarus (2020), and Kazakhstan (2022).
The sanctions imposed on the US for this age-old international terrorism are 0.
Judge for yourself. No politics, just numbers.
How many countries had Russia invaded in its history?
Edit: updated to bring this list up to date for 2022. This is not an answer I want to ever have to update again.

One complicating factor is that 'countries' is, to a certain degree, a modern notion that doesn't apply to well once you go back far enough in history, especially outside of Europe.

Also, since 'invasion' is a charged term, and one person's invasion is another's support (especially in modern wars), any list would have disputable inclusions. In particular, Russia has participated in one side of a foreign civil war numerous times, usually at the invitation (or 'invitation') of one side. For completeness, I'll put things that, in my reading of the history I don't consider 'invasions' in brackets, although it's not hard to find people who would disagree with my interpretation.

Finally, it's likely to be an incomplete list because I'll miss certain incidents, or that particular areas were controlled by such-and-such a country at a given point. Also, Russia invaded the same country repeatedly for long stretches of history (looking at you, Ottoman Empire), and I'm not going to mention every separate war.

For 'Russia," I'm including the Russian Federation, Soviet Union, Soviet Russia, Russian Empire/Tsardom, and Duchy of Moscow. Kievan Rus and the other city states of Dark Age Russia/Ukraine/East Slavic Lands I leave aside, since their connection to the modern nation of Russia is slightly more tenuous.

Russian Federation

Ukraine (2022)
[Syria]
Ukraine/Crimea (2014)
Georgia (allegedly on behalf of Abkhazia and South Ossetian govts, which Russia now recognizes as countries)
[Chechnya] - Chechnya declared independence from Russia, but that was largely not recognized
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

Afghanistan
Czechoslovakia
[China] - border conflict over an island in the Amur river
Hungary
WW2:
[Germany, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Finland, Norway, Korea, Japan, China] - Soviet forces fought their way into these countries from 1944-45, driving back occupying Axis troops and the local Axis-allied forces. After the war, the Soviet Union took territory from Germany, Japan Poland, Romania, and Hungary into the USSR's borders, and moved other borders around (some of the once-German, Polish, and Japanese territory is within Russia’s modern borders). Also invaded were the Baltic States and Moldova, which the Soviet Union considered its own territory at this point, whether or not the locals did; there was also fighting with anti-Soviet partisans within USSR borders, especially in Ukraine.
[Yugoslavia] - Soviet troops crossed this country as part of the war, but the local partisans, who had largely liberated the country, didn't let them stay and occupy.
Iran - invaded to provide a link to British forces in southern Iran
Finland 1940 - Winter War
Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Romania/Moldova - the territories the Soviet Union incorporated it into itself as a result of the Secret Protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Poland 1939 - also invaded under the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Poland 1919 - Polish-Soviet War
Soviet Russia

Transcaucasian Republic - a communist state that was temporarily independent of Moscow/Petrograd
[Various independent Ukrainian states/governments, none of which had been around long]
Russian Civil War
[various governments claiming to be 'White,' 'Monarchist' etc. Russia]
[Finland, the Baltic States, the Central Asian and Caucasus states, Tuva], all of which had varying strength independence movements to break out of the Russian Empire, which they had been part of before. Finland and the Baltic States managed to win independence.
Russian Empire

First World War
Germany - Russia launched the initial invasion of East Prussia, which ended in disaster at the Battle of Tannenberg. For the rest of the war, most of the German-Russian fighting would be on Russian territory
Austro-Hungary, Turkey - most of the war on these fronts was fought in Austro-Hungarian and Turkish territory
China
Several Central Asian states, including but not limited to Bukhara, Khiva, Kokand, Tuva
Persia
Various Caucasus territories, which never really reached the level of 'countries.' Chechnya and Dagestan are the most famous in the West, because of the writings of Tolstoy, Pushkin and Lermontov, but the deportation of the Circassians from the West Caucasus could be considered an early form of ethnic cleansing.
Ottoman Empire, many times (the wars are just identified by number or dates). Almost all the fighting took place in Ottoman territory in the Caucasus and Balkans.
[Hungary] - Russian troops attempted to assist Austrians in putting down a Hungarian uprising during the Spring of Nations in 1848
Napoleonic Wars
Over the course of the war, Russian forced invaded French-controlled territory in Italy, many German states, Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and France itself.
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (three times, the Partitions of Poland). Also, several times Russian troops crushed Polish-independence movements.
Alaska and California, at the time only held by Native American tribes
Siberia, at the time held by a variety of Tatar, Mongolic, Finno-Ugric and other groups/tribes/states.
(interestingly, there was an attempt to colonize Madagascar. Peter the Great died shortly after the expedition sailed, and the commander decided to return home to Russia rather than continue)
Sweden (particularly Swedish-held territory in modern Finland and Estonia and around St. Petersburg, as well as Polish territories as far south as modern Ukraine)
[Crimea] Catherine the Great's forces were invited in by local Crimean rulers, preferring St. Petersburg's rule to the Ottoman Porte.
[Georgia] the ruling house of Georgia voluntarily joined the Russian Empire. What other Georgians thought/think about it is a different issue
Duchy of Moscow

several successor states to the Golden (Mongol) Horde, including Kazan and Astrakhan
Other Russian duchies; the most powerful of these was Novgorod
Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by Emilokan1(m): 3:30pm On Dec 16, 2022
Otobong3374:
Useless Thread Useless Poster. You Are Beating Around The Bush With Useless News When There Is No Such News On Media. Putin Shitholes Are Refusing Publish Real News Here. Instead Of Brainless Posters To Publish About The Real News How Ukraine Hit Russian Refinery With Nuclear Weapon. You Are There Listening To Useless News. And Who Told U That Ukraine Need Peace Talk?
I hope you're on the front confronting Russia the way your veins want to burst like this? Be calming down bros. zelensky will soon be in his knees begging for surrender. grin

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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by Otobong3374(m): 6:42pm On Dec 16, 2022
Emilokan1:
I hope you're on the front confronting Russia the way your veins want to burst like this? Be calming down bros. zelensky will soon be in his knees begging for surrender. grin
Useless Poster Useless Thread
Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by Burgerlomo: 10:09am On Dec 17, 2022
BOLATINUBU01:
ok, keep making mouth here, even Britain no fit dare Russia

Who dey talk about Britain? I dey talk about great USA wey no dey boast of anything dey get but fit serve him serious breakfast when the real shit started, I don't pray for it though because millions if not billions of innocent lives will be lost.
Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by olugabbie(m): 6:28pm On Dec 17, 2022
God1000:
Fake news

Trust me guys, Putin is praying for this war to end, Russia has already lost over 100.000 soldiers and the casualties keep increasing everyday

Whatever Putin does now is just to save face

shameless Putin who underestimated Ukraine right from day one.

He's been humbled

Putin's harmful expansionism must be stopped

The main reason why this war has been slow is strictly because of the method Russia is using to execute the war.

Instead of storming the Ukrainian well fortified town (Poposnaya, Bakhmut, Severdontsk e.t.c) directly. They focus on encircling the City/Town to cut it off from the supply line. Then use their artillery to destroy the entire city/town before sending in troops to clean it up. This method is time consuming but it reduces the number of casualties the attacker suffers.

Russia is executing this war methodically. They are not throwing soldiers to the frontline to go and die. Instead they are using Artillery to grind the defender. Russia lost a lots of troops at the beginning of the war. The Russians learn from their mistake and are always ready to change tactics.

The new general-Sorovikin is even stingy with loosing troops.

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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by God1000(m): 7:40am On Dec 18, 2022
olugabbie:


The main reason why this war has been slow is strictly because of the method Russia is using to execute the war.

Instead of storming the Ukrainian well fortified town (Poposnaya, Bakhmut, Severdontsk e.t.c) directly. They focus on encircling the City/Town to cut it off from the supply line. Then use their artillery to destroy the entire city/town and then send in troops to clean it up. This method is time consuming but it reduces the number of casualties the attacker suffers.

Russia is executing this war methodically. They are not throwing soldiers to the frontline to go and die. Instead they are using Artillery to grind the defender. Russia lost a lots of troops at the beginning of the war. The Russians learn from their mistake and are always ready to change tactics.

The new general-Sorovikin is even stingy with loosing troops.
Putin should just end the insane war he started for his ego.

This war is senseless and needless
Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by BentizilL: 7:59am On Dec 18, 2022
God1000:
Putin should just end the insane war he started for his ego.

This war is senseless and needles
It's an hybrid war declare against Russia, Putin won't stop until it aim is achieved... kiss
Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by God1000(m): 8:03am On Dec 18, 2022
BentizilL:

It's an hybrid war declare against Russia, Putin won't stop until it aim is achieved... kiss
Lol, stop playing a victim card for the aggressor

The brutal invasion of a sovereign country has no justification
Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by olugabbie(m): 8:21am On Dec 18, 2022
God1000:
Putin should just end the insane war he started for his ego.

This war is senseless and needles


The war is necessary. Putin is not a fool. The soldiers doing the fighting are not fools. Russians in general are aware of what is going on. They have access to pro Western news likewise pro Russian news. So they are well informed. Some Russians are against the war (especially the Navanni group-the pro-Western activists). But majority of Russians are in support.

Russia has been invaded several times. Almost all the invasion came from the east (Ukraine). The Mongols invaded Russia through Ukraine. Likewise the Germans. If there is a conflict between Russia and NATO tomorrow, the attack will also come from the east (Ukraine). You can't invade Russia through the Baltic. The entire Baltic states (including the Baltic sea) are well within the range of Russian missiles. Likewise Russian defense system radar covers almost the entire Baltic states. So launchg an attack from the Baltic on Russia is suicide. Also the US can not also invade Russia through the artic. It is impossible to launch ground offensive on Russia through the artic. Although missiles can be launched from the US into Russia from the artic. But the missiles will have to travel thousands of kilometers, which will give the Russians enough time to shoot them down. Russia can only be invaded through Ukraine. This is the Reason Ukraine is very important. The West knows this and this is why they want Ukraine.

So imagine the West take Ukraine and install the US missiles there. It is game over for Russia. Recent Emmanuel Macron recognises Russian security concern. The same security concern the West rejected before the war.

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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by BentizilL: 8:29am On Dec 18, 2022
God1000:
Lol, stop playing a victim card for the aggressor

The brutal invasion of a sovereign country has no justification
We've already treat this, I don't have time to keep educating you everytime...
All I know is Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye can be independent if Kosovo can... kiss

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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by God1000(m): 8:37am On Dec 18, 2022
olugabbie:



The war is necessary. Putin is not a fool. The soldiers are not fool. Russians in general are aware of what is going. They have access to pro Western news likewise pro Russian news. So they are well inform. Some Russians are against the war (especially the Navanni group-the pro-Western activists). But majority of Russians are in support.

Russia has been invaded several times. Almost all the invasion came from the east (Ukraine). The Mongols invaded Russia through Ukraine. Likewise German. If there is conflict between Russia and NATO tomorrow, the attack will also come from the east (Ukraine). You can invade Russia through the Baltic. The entire Baltic states (including the Baltic sea) are well within the range of Russian missiles. Likewise Russian defense system radar cover almost the entire Baltic states. So launch an attack from the Baltic on Russia is suicide. Also the US can not also invade Russia through the artic. It is impossible to launch ground offensive on Russia through the artic. Also missiles can be launch from the US into Russia from the artic. But the missiles will have to travel thousands of kilometers, which will give the Russians enough time to shoot them down. Russia can only be invaded through Ukraine. This is the Reason Ukraine is very important. The West knows this and this is why they want Ukraine.

So imagine the West take Ukraine and install the US missiles there. It is game over for Russia. Recent Emmanuel Macron recognises Russian security concern. The same security concern the West rejected before the war. So the people are aware.
Lol, you just painted a false picture man.


The invasion of Ukraine has nothing to do with such scenarios.

US and NATO didn't have any plan to install missiles in Ukraine prior to the invasion, i will never believe such thing

Putin is modern day Hitler, he just wants to redraw world map in this 21st century, especially eastern Europe.

I'm not supporting the expansion of NATO to the east, but these countries applied for NATO membership, America did not force them to join NATO.

From special military operation to illegal referendum and recognition of four regions, I don't buy Putin's lies, he's doing what he accused the west of in the past.

If Russians are in support of his illegal war, why are they running away from Russia when he announced mobilization?
Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by God1000(m): 8:45am On Dec 18, 2022
BentizilL:

We've already treat this, I don't have time to keep educating you everytime...
All I know is Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye can be independent if Kosovo can... kiss
So how is the war of independence in those regions going so far? Russia keeps pulling out its troops everyday.

Ukrainians are ready to die to defend every inch of their country.

No weapon can defeat the power of human will
Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by olugabbie(m): 8:51am On Dec 18, 2022
God1000:
Lol, you just painted a false picture man.

The invasion of Ukraine has nothing to do with such scenarios.

Putin is modern day Hitler, he just wants to redraw world map in this 21st century, especially eastern Europe.

I'm not supporting the expansion of NATO to the east, but these countries applied for NATO membership, America did not force them to join NATO.

From special military operation to illegal referendum and recognition of four regions, I don't buy Putin's lies, he's doing what he accused the west of in the past.

If Russians are in support of his illegal war, why are they running away from Russia when he announced mobilization?


This is what you are told. But if you study the war critically you will realise that Russia was not interested in seizing territories.

Ukraine is the biggest country in Europe. Even angles can not seize the country with 200k troops. It is just impossible. Imagine just 30k troops were unleashed on the capital. 30k US troops can not even seize Lagos state. Let alone Ukraine. The intension was to intimidate the Ukrainians and force them to negotiate, which almost work until Boris Johnson travelled to Ukraine to see the president and immediately Zelensky made a U-Turn.

The Russians major demand before the war was that Ukraine should give the Donbas a special status. This is well spelt out in the Minsk's agreement.

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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by God1000(m): 9:04am On Dec 18, 2022
olugabbie:



This is what you are told. But if you study the war critically you will realise that Russia was not interested in seizing territories.

Ukraine is the biggest country in Europe. Even angles can not seize the country with 200k troops. It is just impossible. Imagine just 30k troops were unleashed on the capital. 30k US troops can not even seize Lagos state. Let alone Ukraine. The intension was to intimidate the Ukrainians and force them to negotiate, which almost work until Boris Johnson travelled to Ukraine to see the president and immediately Zelensky made a U-Turn.

The Russians major demand before the war was that Ukraine should give the Donbas a special status. This is well spelt out in the Minsk's agreement.
No man, there are numerous uncovered reports that Putin actually wanted zelensky dead or captured and the complete takeover of Ukraine.

He thought Ukrainians would just freeze to death in fear of Russia, but he got it all wrong, he underestimated them and the resolve of the west.

No president will stand by and watch his country being destroyed without fighting back, no matter how small the country is.

200,000 soldiers is more than enough to invade a country, he would have succeeded without the intervention of US and NATO.

The drones, anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles they received from US, UK and other countries changed the tide of the war.
Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by olugabbie(m): 9:27am On Dec 18, 2022
God1000:
No man, there are numerous uncovered reports that Putin actually wanted zelensky dead or captured and the complete takeover of Ukraine.

He thought Ukrainians would just freeze to death in fear of Russia, but he got it all wrong, he underestimated them and the resolve of the west.

No president will stand by and watch his country being destroyed without fighting back, no matter how small the country is.

200,000 soldiers is more than enough to invade a country, he would have succeeded without the intervention of US and NATO.

The drones, anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles they received from US, UK and other countries changed the tide of the war.

200k may be enough to seize Syria, Libya, Afghanistan & Iraq. These countries are less developed and they have very weak military. Ukraine is different. The Soviet Union invested a lots in Ukraine. The infrastructures built by the Soviet Union are being enjoyed today in Ukraine. In fact Ukraine was a fortress built to protect the capital-Russia. This is a big industrialise country. In the small city of Mariupol alone. The Russians needed nothing less than 20k troops to take the city. The city has different underground shelters. It is a fortress. The Chechens had to fight for every building. Imagine how hard it is to do that. The steel plant, chemical plant e.t.c are huge fortress on their own. The capital Kiev has thousands of high rise buildings. Imagine when you have to clear those buildings one after the other. All these infrastructures shield you from air attack. The only way to seize territory is to use your ground forces. Now imagine the looses you will suffer.

In Iraq for example. If you can take the capital- Baghdad and the second largest city Mosul, then it is game over. In fact there are more high rise building in the little city of Mariupol than Baghdad. The story is not the same with Ukraine. Almost all the cities are developed.

You need nothing less than 600k+ troops to take Ukraine.

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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by lanre316: 9:43am On Dec 18, 2022
We learn more when we share ideas and knowledge.

I appreciate all the comments on this thread. It opened my eyes to many things I didn't see before.

Thank you all, both supporters and opposers of this Russian-Ukraine War, for this Civil exchange without immature arguments and insults.

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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by God1000(m): 9:45am On Dec 18, 2022
olugabbie:


200k may be enough to seize Syria, Libya, Afghanistan & Iraq. These countries are less developed and they have very weak military. Ukraine is different. The Soviet Union invested a lots in Ukraine. The infrastructures built by the Soviet Union are being enjoyed today in Ukraine. In fact Ukraine was a fortress built to protect the capital-Russia. This a big industrialise country. In the small city of Mariupol alone. The Russians need nothing less than 20k troops to take the city. The city has different underground shelters. It is a fortress. The Chechens had to fight for every building. Imagine how hard it is do that. The steel plant, chemical plant e.t.c are huge fortress on their own. The capital Kiev has thousands of high rise buildings. Imagine when you have to clear those buildings one after the other. Imagine the looses you will suffer.

In Iraq for example. If you can take the capital- Baghdad and the second largest city Mosul, then it is game over. In fact there are more high rise building in the little city of Mariupol than Baghdad. The story is not the same with Ukraine. Almost all the cities are developed.

You need nothing less than 600k+ troops to take Ukraine.
Ukraine had one of the weakest armies on earth before the invasion, Ukraine's air force and navy then was almost zero with no sophisticated weapons, except land forces.

But I think fighting this war for almost a year now with western weapons and their extraordinary determination has now made Ukraine's military very powerful.

You are just trying to make excuses for Russia's failure, the so-called superpower which has failed to do extensive work on so many areas of modern warfare before invading Ukraine

Putin's reputation is already gone, his dream of conquering new territories is over as well. He will never embark on such military campaign before he dies
Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by Elvictor: 10:08am On Dec 18, 2022
God1000:
Ukraine had one of the weakest armies on earth before the invasion, Ukraine's air force and navy then was almost zero with no sophisticated weapons, except land forces.

But I think fighting this war for almost a year now with western weapons and their extraordinary determination has now made Ukraine's military very powerful.

You are just trying to make excuses for Russia's failure, the so-called superpower which has failed to do extensive work on so many areas of modern warfare before invading Ukraine

Putin's reputation is already gone, his dream of conquering new territories is over as well. He will never embark on such military campaign before he dies

The 29th military country in the world has the weakest army grin grin grin

Nairalamd ehnn.

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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by God1000(m): 10:15am On Dec 18, 2022
Elvictor:


The 29th military country in the world has the weakest army grin grin grin

Nairalamd ehnn.
But 29th Vs 2nd is incomparable na
Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by olugabbie(m): 10:51am On Dec 18, 2022
God1000:
Ukraine had one of the weakest armies on earth before the invasion, Ukraine's air force and navy then was almost zero with no sophisticated weapons, except land forces.

But I think fighting this war for almost a year now with western weapons and their extraordinary determination has now made Ukraine's military very powerful.

You are just trying to make excuses for Russia's failure, the so-called superpower which has failed to do extensive work on so many areas of modern warfare before invading Ukraine

Putin's reputation is already gone, his dream of conquering new territories is over as well. He will never embark on such military campaign before he dies

Ukraine has one of the best integrated air defense systems in the world. The Soviet made S-300, BUK and ORCA anti drone defense system. These systems are game changer for Ukraine. They are able to denial Russian air superiority. Ukraine has a lots of defense systems and they also has the ability to repair them. Ukraine has one of the best military in Europe before the war. With the exception of UK, France & Italy tell me any other NATO member who is stronger than Ukraine. It is Poland, Croatia, Spain, Portugal or German. No individual NATO member has integrated air defense system like Ukraine. (Except the three mentioned above). They all rely on the US for protection. German is one of the major arm exporter in Europe. The same country can not fight a war that will last for months. She doesn't even has integrated air defense systems like the Ukrainians or the Russians.

Individually they are not strong. The entire UK Military can fit in a stadium. Non of the NATO members can withstand 50k artillery shells on a daily basis.

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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by Elvictor: 1:53pm On Dec 18, 2022
God1000:
But 29th Vs 2nd is incomparable na

Oga rest, you made mistake

Correct yourself, and learn.

The 29th, back by top 20 military in the world

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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by Masterviolence: 6:41pm On Dec 19, 2022
olugabbie:


Ukraine has one of the best integrated air defense systems in the world. The Soviet made S-300, BUK and ORCA anti drone defense system. These systems are game changer for Ukraine. They are able to denial Russian air superiority. Ukraine has a lots of defense systems and they also has the ability to repair them. Ukraine has one of the best military in Europe before the war. With the exception of UK, France & Italy tell me any other NATO member who is stronger than Ukraine. It is Poland, Croatia, Spain, Portugal or German. No individual NATO member has integrated air defense system like Ukraine. (Except the three mentioned above). They all rely on the US for protection. German is one of the major arm exporter in Europe. The same country can not fight a war that will last for months. She doesn't even has integrated air defense systems like the Ukrainians or the Russians.

Individually they are not strong. The entire UK Military can fit in a stadium. Non of the NATO members can withstand 50k artillery shells on a daily basis.
I miss the party
Always on point

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Re: No Christmas Ceasefire - Russia Rejects Ukraine Peace Proposal by BentizilL: 7:01pm On Dec 19, 2022
God1000:
So how is the war of independence in those regions going so far? Russia keeps pulling out its troops everyday.

Ukrainians are ready to die to defend every inch of their country.

No weapon can defeat the power of human will
Main reason they'll be killed to the last Ukrainian, since that's what Zelensky boss want.. kiss

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