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Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by Emeraldicon(m): 4:13pm On Dec 25, 2022
Munamoqel:
stup up again . VAT is paid to state and local govt over 80 percent where it is generated so your beer vat is in your erosions ravaged Abia and Ebony . While other to the federal government consodated account .tiny percentage that will slip in will be used for rehab of beer victims .sin income from tobacco and beer and hotels and brothel .

You are not making sense so no need to argue with you

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Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by MikeofAfrica: 4:20pm On Dec 25, 2022
CoronaVirusRelo:


I will do after election. That I can promise you. It will be foolish of me mentioning names and strategies.

If you take a deeper look at what stands with APC at the moment, it shouldn’t be difficult for you to find!

The power brokers are aligned….


The power brokers in APC are Buhari , Tinubu and the APC Governors.

During the primary, Buhari and his men were neutral while Tinubu aligned with the Governors to get the ticket.

The general election is a different ball game. Some of the APC northern Governors that backed Tinubu at the primary have sympathies for Atiku. Have you seen the Governors of Kebbi, Jigawa, Yobe, Gombe and Niger moving around with Tinubu lately.
They are all APC by day and PDP by night.

Have you not also seen how Buhari is tactically withdrawing himself from Tinubu.

Even if Buhari and the Governors back Tinubu, there is no guarantee that northerners will leave their sons, Atiku and Kwankwaso and vote Tinubu.
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by chrisxxx(m): 4:20pm On Dec 25, 2022
SmartPolician:


This is not true. To be declared the winner, you MUST get the highest number of votes and 25% in 26 states.

That analogy you posted will lead to a runoff because it didn't satisfy the provision of the electoral act.
Thanks
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by Nobody: 4:23pm On Dec 25, 2022
MikeofAfrica:



The power brokers in APC are Buhari , Tinubu and the APC Governors.

During the primary, Buhari and his men were neutral while Tinubu aligned with the Governors to get the ticket.

The general election is a different ball game. Some of the APC northern Governors that backed Tinubu at the primary have sympathies for Atiku. Have you seen the Governors of Kebbi, Jigawa, Yobe, Gombe and Niger moving around with Tinubu lately.
They are all APC by day and PDP by night.

Have you not also seen how Buhari is tactically withdrawing himself from Tinubu.

Even if Buhari and the Governors back Tinubu, there is no guarantee that northerners will leave their sons, Atiku and Kwankwaso and vote Tinubu.

February is almost here!

Election results will start filtering soon.

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Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by Munamoqel: 4:32pm On Dec 25, 2022
Emeraldicon:


You are not making sense so no need to argue with you
or your brains is incapable of comprehending how VAT is generated and disburse .so wallow in your ignorance .obi will never be president of Nigeria.a beer maker Haram cannot be leaders of Muslims .

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Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by Carmal90(m): 4:36pm On Dec 25, 2022
Emeraldicon:


I am not against Atiku winning because he is more coherent than Tinubu. But I still don't see the possibility of him winning, if he does congratulations to him

To be candid, Atiku stand a higher chance of winning 2023 election than Tinubu if those G5 works for him.
Aside that, Tinubu straight

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Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by Svoboda(m): 5:28pm On Dec 25, 2022
MikeofAfrica:


NW States are not APC strongholds but Buhari strongholds. PDP has won Governorship elections in Jigawa, Katsina, Kebbi, Kano, Kaduna and Sokoto.

It is the Buhari factor that turn most of these States to APC. Without Buhari on ballot in 2023, Atiku will win some of these States because he has the same Fulani root like Buhari.

Remember that Yaradua who is also a Fulani won most of these States for PDP in 2007.

In 1999, apart from Kano and Kaduna, all the NW states were app and Buhari wasnt in reckoning as at then. It took the pdp rigging machine for the tides to change in 03 and 07.

No doubt, Buhari is a factor, but he wasnt the originator of the modern day progressive politics in the NW.

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Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by drlateef: 6:02pm On Dec 25, 2022
chrisxxx:
People should know that numbers do not always determine who wins in Nigeria election but number of states won.
If you win all the votes in Kano and another won in ekiti and Bayelsa even with less cumulative votes to Kano with the person who won in Kano unable to get 25% if votes in Ekiti and Bayelsa, the winner of Ekiti and Bayelsa will be declared the president even with the person who won in Kano having the highest number of votes.



In which constitution are you reading your own? Simple majority is the first consideration, not the number of states with at least 25% of votes. Nigeria does not run electoral college system. If the majority winner cannot get 25% in 2/3 of states, then it goes for rerun.
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by omonnakoda: 6:06pm On Dec 25, 2022
Hmm

Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by omonnakoda: 6:08pm On Dec 25, 2022
drlateef:




In which constitution are you reading your own? Simple majority is the first consideration, not the number of states with at least 25% of votes. Nigeria does not run electoral college system. If the majority winner cannot get 25% in 2/3 of states, then it goes for rerun.
Not true. Simple majority is NOT the first consideration
There are TWO considerations that BOTH must be met not EITHER OR
25% in 24 states PLUS simple majority
If both conditions are not met there will be a run off between the first two when simple majority will be the determinant
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by drlateef: 6:14pm On Dec 25, 2022
omonnakoda:
Not true. Simple majority is NOT the first consideration
There are TWO considerations that BOTH must be met not EITHER OR
25% in 24 states PLUS simple majority
If both conditions are not met there will be a run off between the first two when simple majority will be the determinant



I thought you understood english. How is what I stated different from yours? Don’t you see INEC first announcing the winner of majority vote followed by geographical spread?
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by 1Dray(m): 6:18pm On Dec 25, 2022
frank14011991:
Mr man forget that anap rubbish, I am a northerner, I vote in kano, I am telling you what is on ground, how can you believe obi got more votes than kwankwaso in NW according to Anap

No northerner not even northern Christian bears Frank by name.
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by omonnakoda: 6:20pm On Dec 25, 2022
drlateef:




I thought you understood english. How is what I stated different from yours? Don’t you see INEC first announcing the winner of majority vote followed by geographical spread?
I do

maybe you should go and read what you wrote

You wrote FIRST consideration. That is wrong

There is a set of TWO conditions that BOTH must be met. Neither consideration is superior to the other.
What is the relevance of "INEC first announcing winner of majority vote followed by spread" That is not of any relevance
I do not recognize that claim but let us assume that is true what is the significance of announcing one before the other.?
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by chrisxxx(m): 6:21pm On Dec 25, 2022
drlateef:




In which constitution are you reading your own? Simple majority is the first consideration, not the number of states with at least 25% of votes. Nigeria does not run electoral college system. If the majority winner cannot get 25% in 2/3 of states, then it goes for rerun.
Ok. What i am saying is as much as Kano would give anyone huge number of votes same person should also crave for Bayelsa and Ekiti votes
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by MikeofAfrica: 6:26pm On Dec 25, 2022
Svoboda:


In 1999, apart from Kano and Kaduna, all the NW states were app and Buhari wasnt in reckoning as at then. It took the pdp rigging machine for the tides to change in 03 and 07.

No doubt, Buhari is a factor, but he wasnt the originator of the modern day progressive politics in the NW.

The NW does not practice any progressive politics. If they do, the region will not be in the present mess. They vote along tribal and religion bigotry. That is the reason Tinubu went for muslim- Muslim ticket so as to convince NW/ NE to vote him.

In 1999, PDP had 3 states in NW ( Kaduna, Kano and Katsina) while APP has four states ( Jigawa, Sokoto, Zamfara and Kebbi). Hence the NW was almost equally divided btw the two parties.

PDP lost Kano to ANPP in 2003 due to Buhari popularity while winning Jigawa in 2007. PDP later lost Kaduna, Kastina and Jigawa to APC in 2015 due to the same Buhari factor.

Without Buhari on ballot, Atiku can win at least 3 NW states ( Katsina, Kaduna , Sokoto & Jigawa) while Kwankwaso will likely win Kano. Presently, Tinubu can only boast of Zamfara and Kebbi which are APC strongholds.
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by Carmal90(m): 6:26pm On Dec 25, 2022
omonnakoda:
Not true. Simple majority is NOT the first consideration
There are TWO considerations that BOTH must be met not EITHER OR
25% in 24 states PLUS simple majority
If both conditions are not met there will be a run off between the first two when simple majority will be the determinant

Are you saying if Atiku has the highest number of votes but couldn't win 25% in 26 States and the next challenger couldn't meet the 25% in 26 States as well, there will be rerun?
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by omonnakoda: 6:30pm On Dec 25, 2022
Carmal90:


Are you saying if Atiku has the highest number of votes but couldn't win 25% in 26 States and the next challenger couldn't meet the 25% in 26 States as well, there will be rerun?

This is what the constitution says
http://www.nigeria-law.org/ConstitutionOfTheFederalRepublicOfNigeria.htm#FederalExecutive
A candidate for an election to the office of President shall be deemed to have been duly elected where, there being more than two candidates for the election-

(a) he has the highest number of votes cast at the election;

and

(b) he has not less than one-quarter of the votes cast at the election each of at least two-thirds of all the States in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja.
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by 1Dray(m): 6:49pm On Dec 25, 2022
SmartPolician:


This is not true. To be declared the winner, you MUST get the highest number of votes and 25% in 26 states.

That analogy you posted will lead to a runoff because it didn't satisfy the provision of the electoral act.

24 states not 26
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by kayusely70(m): 7:02pm On Dec 25, 2022
Jagaban on course! No retreat! No surrender! No shaking!

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Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by omonnakoda: 7:05pm On Dec 25, 2022
Munamoqel:
stup up again . VAT is paid to state and local govt over 80 percent where it is generated so your beer vat is in your erosions ravaged Abia and Ebony . While other to the federal government consodated account .tiny percentage that will slip in will be used for rehab of beer victims .sin income from tobacco and beer and hotels and brothel .
Where did you get your 80% from ? It is not true
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/09/vat-what-states-generated-received-in-past-8-months/
https://www.nairaland.com/6759988/vat-what-states-generated-received/1
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by SmartPolician: 7:09pm On Dec 25, 2022
1Dray:


24 states not 26

It's 25. 2/3 of 37 is 24.7
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by sevenhundred(m): 7:11pm On Dec 25, 2022
chrisxxx:
People should know that numbers do not always determine who wins in Nigeria election but number of states won.
If you win all the votes in Kano and another won in ekiti and Bayelsa even with less cumulative votes to Kano with the person who won in Kano unable to get 25% if votes in Ekiti and Bayelsa, the winner of Ekiti and Bayelsa will be declared the president even with the person who won in Kano having the highest number of votes.
that is the reason people should not underate nnpp because of nw votes can triggers his votes, and make him king maker.
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by Svoboda(m): 7:14pm On Dec 25, 2022
MikeofAfrica:


The NW does not practice any progressive politics. If they do, the region will not be in the present mess. They vote along tribal and religion bigotry. That is the reason Tinubu went for muslim- Muslim ticket so as to convince NW/ NE to vote him.

In 1999, PDP had 3 states in NW ( Kaduna, Kano and Katsina) while APP has four states ( Jigawa, Sokoto, Zamfara and Kebbi). Hence the NW was almost equally divided btw the two parties.

PDP lost Kano to ANPP in 2003 due to Buhari popularity while winning Jigawa in 2007. PDP later lost Kaduna, Kastina and Jigawa to APC in 2015 due to the same Buhari factor.

Without Buhari on ballot, Atiku can win at least 3 NW states ( Katsina, Kaduna , Sokoto & Jigawa) while Kwankwaso will likely win Kano. Presently, Tinubu can only boast of Zamfara and Kebbi which are APC strongholds.

If the Nw votes along tribal and ethnic lines, same can be said of the south east.

Coming straight to Tinubus chances, he only needs to win 3 out of the 7, and have a good showing in the other states in the NW. The buhari factor might be the ace.

But mark my words. Atiku isnt going to win 2023. Neither is obi.

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Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by drlateef: 7:16pm On Dec 25, 2022
chrisxxx:

Ok. What i am saying is as much as Kano would give anyone huge number of votes same person should also crave for Bayelsa and Ekiti votes




Of course, no stone will be left unturned by Tinubu. He’s too wise to neglect any part of Nigeria.

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Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by tinsel: 7:41pm On Dec 25, 2022
drlateef:




In which constitution are you reading your own? Simple majority is the first consideration, not the number of states with at least 25% of votes. Nigeria does not run electoral college system. If the majority winner cannot get 25% in 2/3 of states, then it goes for rerun.
A winner must get 25 percent in 24 states.
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by chrisxxx(m): 8:00pm On Dec 25, 2022
sevenhundred:
that is the reason people should not underate nnpp because of nw votes can triggers his votes, and make him king maker.
.true
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by Okoroawusa: 8:24pm On Dec 25, 2022
When i got to the part where the article said that Jigawa, Katsina, Sokoto and Kebbi are trending PDP is then remembered that ThisDay belongs to a PDP chieftain.... very rubbish write up without deep analysis to support its headline.

Meanwhile how come Arisetv is pro-Obi while ThisDay is Pro-Atiku and they both belong to the same media organisation? Who is fooling who?
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by Mfetenang: 8:59pm On Dec 25, 2022
ImDStar:
grin i cannot be praying for a better country and still be supporting APC and PDP, that's Foolishness in the highest other.

It's pure evil to support Buhari in 2015 and still come back to support Tinubu after all the suffering.
Are you cursed with suffering?

Planning to vote APC or PDP is not an opinion, It's pure wickedness and evil, after all the suffering Nigerians are going through.

133million people leaving in abject poverty out of 200million is not a joke!!!
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by Mfetenang: 9:02pm On Dec 25, 2022
Your support or non support of APC or PDP will not affect the outcome of the 2023 elections, stop wasting your data.
Every intelligent Nigerian knows that the next president will come from either APC or PDP,whether you agree or not doesn't really matter.
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by Munamoqel: 9:06pm On Dec 25, 2022
omonnakoda:
Where did you get your 80% from ? It is not true
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/09/vat-what-states-generated-received-in-past-8-months/
https://www.nairaland.com/6759988/vat-what-states-generated-received/1
you are confused vat collection vs vat generation are two different things .if I buy MTN recharge card in Kano the vat is collected In Lagos MTN head office vat accounts but actual consumption happens in Kano not Lagos .it too hard for una comprehension.
Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by mandarin: 9:09pm On Dec 25, 2022
HIGHESTPOPORI:
Peter Obi will start North campaign in January, so what are you saying.And North is Overated.Jonathan didn't win North in 2011 and still won the election.North won't give block votes to any candidate this time around.Atiku, Kwankwanso would split Northern votes, so it's not a threat

President Jonathan won the entire southern Nigeria and Middle Belt. In the current situation, if every candidate win their home region, the South South, Middle Belt and Northwest will be at play.
The Northeast however will not be a winner take all.

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Re: North West Zone Will Determine Who Becomes The President- Thisday by omonnakoda: 9:15pm On Dec 25, 2022
Munamoqel:
you are confused vat collection vs vat generation are two different things .if I buy MTN recharge card in Kano the vat is collected In Lagos MTN head office vat accounts but actual consumption happens in Kano not Lagos .it too hard for una comprehension.
That claim is false. It is a baseless assumption. Invoking the phrase "Head office" is meant to bamboozle the the ignorant . Why is it only recharge card why not Dangote cement or Coke and Omo and Milo and Guinness or Zenith Bank or everything that VAT is collected on? It is a consumption tax levied at the point of consumption and nothing to do with headquarters..

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