englishmart:
If the marriage crashes, Satan did it. You guys should take some sense along with you. At least one capsule per week.
Innocent brother proposed, sister stray-bulleted Jesus. I know Jesus will be shaking his head in heaven.
If I were the guy, I will collect my cheap ring and ask Jesus to propose to you directly. What insolence

I find it quite convenient how Churchians almost always ignore the portion of the Gospel where Jesus Christ indicated that there will be those who will choose to live as Eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus Christ never says the same about those who choose instead to marry.

10 The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.”
11 But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given.
12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.” - Matthew 19 vs 10 - 12

Instead, what Jesus Christ said in regards to marriage is that it is of this world and not of the Kingdom of God - Luke 20 vs 34 - 36. This always causes me to wonder why folks claim Jesus Christ did it as far as their marriages. When exactly did He begin doling out marriages when God instead left that choice up to us as individuals from the very beginning?

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englishmart:
Marriage is worldly and optional. If God or Jesus does everything for us, then Where's our freewill? That essentially means we would be absorbed from judgements since we didn't do anything consciously. Jesus did.

The thing wey dey make me laugh the most about the whole "will of god" nonsense spewed from pulpits is that where women are concerned, there is absolutely one "will of god" for them for life. If husband leaves or die, the advice is for the woman to focus on taking care of kids for life — she is to believe that is what God wants her to do. But if na pastor wife die or run away, "will of god" automagically becomes more than one as pastor is now sent a replacement "will of god" for the one he lost, and many a times the replacement "will of god" is likely another "virtuous" woman.
As for men in the congregation, once "will of god" don commot for picture, dem don forget God be that, na dem go choose the next one and you go know say na dem choice for sure.

englishmart:
Marriage is worldly and optional. If God or Jesus does everything for us, then Where's our freewill? That essentially means we would be absorbed from judgements since we didn't do anything consciously. Jesus did.

How is marriage worldly and optional?

My context is "What God has joined together let no man put asunder" (Matthew)

And he who finds a wife has found a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord (Proverbs)

And lastly how do you interpret Isaiah 45:7?

englishmart:
He who finds a wife finds a good thing. This is one of the most terrible, blatant lies I've ever heard or read.

Proverbs 18:22 is a lie?

Chai!

englishmart:
He who finds a wife finds a good thing. This is one of the most terrible, blatant lies I've ever heard or read. Marriage is heavenly abi? Yet we don't have to be in heaven to get married. Dey whine yourself na.

Don't avoid the question subtly.

Why did Jesus say God is involved in joining marriage?

Is same God not involved in breaking it?

How do you interpret Isaiah 45:7?

englishmart:
Marriage is worldly and optional. If God or Jesus does everything for us, then Where's our freewill? That essentially means we would be absorbed from judgements since we didn't do anything consciously. Jesus did.

Can one have children without being married?

Kobojunkie:
I find it quite convenient how Churchians almost always ignore the past of the Gospel where Jesus Christ reveals that there will be those who will choose to live as Eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus Christ never says the same about those who choose instead to marry. Instead, what Jesus Christ said in regards to marriage is that it is of this world and not of the Kingdom of God - Luke 20 vs 34 - 36. This always causes me to wonder why folks claim Jesus Christ did it as far as their marriages. When exactly did He begin doling out marriages when God instead left that choice up to us as individuals from the very beginning?

You can see that your iesus chrestu is a common greek creation.

englishmart:
Ask Ronaldo.

Lol...ok.

Is he not married to Rodriguez?

englishmart:
Big lie na.

Na you talk say lie dey Bible here!

englishmart:
Bible na history book, plus a lot of lies.

Alright!

AntiChristian:
1. How is marriage worldly and optional?

2. My context is "What God has joined together let no man put asunder" (Matthew)

3. And he who finds a wife has found a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord (Proverbs)

4. And lastly how do you interpret Isaiah 45:7?

1. Marriage has, from the time it was cursed in Genesis 3 vs 16, been worldly. In addition, it has been optional from its very beginning since God also created some Eunuchs from birth, made some Eunuchs in this life, and allowed others to live as Eunuchs for the sake of His Kingdom- Matthew 19 vs 4 - 12

2. If you also consult the context of that statement you conveniently lifted- Matthew 19 vs 4 - 6 -, you would note that Jesus Christ indicated that that was the case in the beginning--- before God cursed marriage, rendering marriage of this world..

3. Things to pay attention to in that verse.. the standard by which good is determined and the fact that favor from God is associated with said standard. Clearly, that proverb only applies to those to whom God gave such a guarantee to --- not every people are under God’s Law and promise.

4. Is God to blame for every failed marriage or what?

englishmart:
He who finds a wife finds a good thing. This is one of the most terrible, blatant lies I've ever heard or read. Marriage is heavenly abi? Yet we don't have to be in heaven to get married. Dey whine yourself na.

It is not a lie. Instead, it only applies to those who are of Israel as indicated in the context..

Kobojunkie:
It is not a lie. Instead, it only applies to those who are of Israel as indicated in the context..

Isn't the Christian God and the Bible based for Israel and her people?

englishmart:
Isn't the Christian God and the Bible based for Israel and her people?

Pretty much!

The Old Law of Moses is the Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan, YHWH, handed to them by God whereas Jesus Christ is God's agreement of peace and Law in the Kingdom of God also handed to those who are of the blood of Israel.

Non-isrealites were not included in any of the Covenants..

Kobojunkiee:
1. Marriage has, from the time it was cursed in Genesis 3 vs 16, been worldly. In addition, it has been optional from its very beginning since God also created some Eunuchs from birth, made some Eunuchs in this life, and allowed others to live as Eunuchs for the sake of His Kingdom- Matthew 19 vs 4 - 12

I don't believe in any curse! Marriage is worldly, heavenly and destined.

2. If you also consult the context of that statement you conveniently lifted- Matthew 19 vs 4 - 6 -, you would note that Jesus Christ indicated that that was the case in the beginning--- before God cursed marriage, rendering marriage of this world..

The context of that verse is on divorce not marriage. God never cursed marriage! Where did God specifically made marriage of this world?

3. Things to pay attention to in that verse.. the standard by which good is determined and the fact that favor from God is associated with said standard. Clearly, that proverb only applies to those to whom God gave such a guarantee to --- not every people are under God’s Law and promise.

Where is the proof from the Bible?

4. Is God to blame for every failed marriage or what?

Actually we can't blame God for any of His actions! But everything occur as He wills.

If it is said that God joins together no one can undo what He joins except He agrees!

And i ask how do you interpret Isaiah 45:7?

englishmart:
Baba, you dey night shift? Lol. You no dey sleep?

I don wake na!

englishmart:
Now we claim to know and love God who probably doesn't even recognise us.

You missed the kicker.... where is God's Israel?

God cursed them and scattered them to all the four winds as He said He would when He gave to them the Law of Moses - fhhe Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan - meaning they are living among people of every tribe, and every language and every nation of this earth - Deuteronomy 30 vs 1 - 6 . Your next door neighbor, even you, could be of the blood of Jacob. Now how do you find out? Jesus Christ! Only those who are of Israel can become born-again .I.e. enter into the Kingdom of God - all others can't - and unlike the Churchian imitation of the born-again experience, as Jesus Christ instead explained, it is akin to a literary possession by a new born spirit - John 3 vs 7- 8 .

AntiChristian:
1. I don't believe in any curse! Marriage is worldly, heavenly and destined.

2. The context of that verse is on divorce not marriage. God never cursed marriage! Where did God specifically made marriage of this world? Where is the proof from the Bible?

3. Actually we can't blame God for any of His actions! But everything occur as He wills. If it is said that God joins together no one can undo what He joins except He agrees!

4. And i ask how do you interpret Isaiah 45:7?

1. Scripture does not care what you believe or do not. As indicated in Genesis 3 vs 16, God cursed marriage making it unholy hence of the world. Just as Jesus Christ indicated God's design for marrihe as it was in the beginning, He also reiterated God's curse remains when He restated while speaking with the Pharisees that marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God.

2. Again, Jesus Christ was speaking of marriage as it was defined by God in the beginning- divorce was not a part of the equal as it was formerly designed by God..

3. God is sovereign meaning nothing - good or evil - happens without His allowing it. All of it is within His control.

4. Interpret it why? Is it not clearly comprehended as stated?

englishmart:
If the marriage crashes, Satan did it. You guys should take some sense along with you. At least one capsule per week.
Innocent brother proposed, sister stray-bulleted Jesus. I know Jesus will be shaking his head in heaven.
If I were the guy, I would collect my cheap ring and ask Jesus to propose to you directly. What insolence

When marriage-ritual takes place between a male and female, both promise before God that both will confine to each other only without any deviation. Such promise is done on God, who is omniscient, omnipotent and most holy personality. There is no second equal personality to God and not to speak of higher personality than God as said by the Veda (Na tat samaschaabhyadhikashcha...). For any believer in God, there is nothing and none higher than God. Even an ordinary promise without the name of God should not be broken and what about the promise made on God! 99% of humanity has such ultimate and extreme faith in God and we are not concerned with the minority which does not believe in God and live as they like in the name of full freedom.

The promise made by both is regarding strict discipline of mind confining to each other in doing justified deeds, financial matters, sexual life and spiritual life (Dharme Arthe Kaame mokshe naaticharaami). This means that in doing justified actions, in spending finance, in having sexual life and in spiritual life both will confine to each other only and will not deviate this promise by selecting some other person (male or female) in these four issues in the latter life after marriage. Hence, all the other parameters have to be overlooked before the holy promise made before the most holy God. There is no higher sin than deviating the promise made in the name of God. All other issues rising in this subject are secondary only and must be adjusted with full discipline to the promise made in the name of God.

The judges giving this judgement need not be blamed since they have to confine to the fundamentals of the human constitution only in any case. We should take the holy-scriptures written by ancient sages through whom God spoke the divine constitution. One may escape the punishment here from the Government in any case based on the judgement given by the human constitution. Today, we are seeing several such cases in which the injustice is benefited and the justice is harmed. The interpretations made by the lawyers are tremendously unimaginable by which in several cases justice is harmed. In olden days, advocate studies the case thoroughly to find justice in the case and then only accept the case for argument. But, today any advocate takes any case for the sake of fees only! In such case, even though the advocate knows that justice is on the other side, he/she argues for the victory of injustice of their side only by twisting the constitution itself. But, ultimately, the divine constitution prevails over our human constitutions and intelligence of the advocates supporting injustice for the sake of money.

The divine administration is the ultimate authority. Even if you win a case with the help of a clever advocate and grab others’ property in the dispute and if it is injustice, you will lose your property ten times more than you have won in the case. The same will happen even in the case of advocate, who earned the fees by arguing for the victory of injustice because the doer and promoter of injustice equally share the punishment. The intensive sins are punished here itself. Our human constitutions are written by human beings and we find several times the amendments of the human constitution done through parliament. This means that the human constitution is not the ultimate word of God. Hence, the free personal relationship as per the emotion of mind can’t be justified in the name of fundamental right of human constitution. Already, God introduced the punishment for free illegal sex in the form of most horrible disease called AIDS. This disease was not heard in ancient days when such free sex did not exist due to perfect ethical discipline. The medical care to prevent this disease fails when God wants to punish the sin of illegal sex and the disease will attack the sinner through some unimaginable way.

The ethical scripture says that the ultimate aim of sex is to generate issues for the extension of human race and not mainly for the emotional enjoyment of sex as said by the Veda (Prajaatantum maa vyavatchetsiih). When the issues are generated in the family life having full discipline based on the promise done on God in the marriage, the issues born are legal heirs of the property of the father. If free illegal sex is allowed, a day will come when the father writes the will about his property to issues only on conducting DNA test of his issues. A rule may also come that any will becomes valid only on enclosing the DNA certificate of issues!

The ancient scripture recommends the re-marriage of a female in the case of five possibilities, which are:- 1) if the husband dies before the old age, 2) if the husband takes spiritual renunciation (Samnyasa), 3) if the husband is impotent, 4) if the husband is lost for a long time and 5) if the husband is fascinated towards prostitutes (mrute pravrajite kliibe nashte cha patite patau, panchatsvaapatsu naariinaam patiramyo vidhiiyate). Of course, the re-marriage in all these cases is not compulsory, but, is justified if the female has a will for re-marriage in such cases. In all these five cases, re-marriage is only recommended and not free illegal personal sexual relationship. Thus, no injustice is allowed by the ancient ethical scripture to a soul, be it male or female.

Regarding getting the issues(children), which is the ultimate aim of marriage for the extension of human race through future generations, freedom is given in getting issues. It is not compulsory to get issues after marriage. The Veda says that there is no use of issues for getting the grace of God through spiritual path (Kim prajayaa karishyaamo yeshaam naaya maatmaa). In this way, getting issues is not compulsory even though the aim of the marriage is to get issues and not simply to pacify the emotional feelings. Re-marriage and artificial insemination were accepted provided the couple is very particular of issues. The artificial insemination was called as Niyoga, in which injection of sperm took place between a male and female after oiling the bodies (so that no skin-contact takes place). Of course, the present injection of sperms is a better process in which the issue of feelings and emotions for illegal sex are absent.

In any case, the consent of both parents was essential. Another foolish point is that one should get male issue only. This is the climax of injustice done. This is not original concept of our ancient scripture. If mother is absent, how the humanity is extended? The word Putra means both son and daughter as per the grammar (putra bhraatru pitrushveka sheshah). This is the unjust domination of males, who wanted to grab the entire property of parents without giving equal share to sisters. Since the word putra means both sons and daughters, when the Veda says that property should be given to putras equally, it means that should be given to both sons and daughters (Manuh putrebhyo daayamadaat— Veda). (Of course, unequal distribution of properties can be done in the issues based on their economic strengths.)

For this cruel plot, the females were denied right to do the end rituals for the parents, which were linked to the property. For this purpose, females were denied the sacred thread marriage through which the Veda is recited in rituals. Like this, a chain of unjust traditions were set up to do climax injustice to the females. In fact, the sacred thread of the daughter is given to son-in-law in the marriage by the father-in-law so that half of the merit (Punyam) of the husband earned using her sacred thread also goes to the wife. In the time of the performance of ritual by the husband, the female cooks the food and half of it is eaten by the husband. In this way, a convenient adjustment is done for the sake of smooth practical life.

Unable to understand this background, females were denied the equal economic right and every wise person shall accept this exploitation in our religion. For this crooked plot, these middle aged male scholars denied even the holy thread marriage in which initiation to Gayatri is done. In fact, Gayatri means only the way of singing prayers on God, which has nothing to do with the gender or the thread. In fact, the real Gayatri is with females only and thus, the females have every right to perform the every Vedic ritual without any reference to the holy thread. Any injustice must be condemned, but, in such action, over injustice shall not also be done.

In this way, the freedom of the will is protected whenever the situation is justified, be it the case of male or female. When the situation is not justified, the free will must be controlled in view of the promise made on God in the ritual of marriage. Amendments are always provided whenever there is justified necessity. Even if the husband is potent, if his wife says that she is willing to enjoy a new person for the change of variety, such case can’t be justified through the free will that can be applied to any situation. Similarly, even if the wife is very co-operative and equally beautiful matching the husband, the husband should not go outside for the sake of other ladies in the name of free will and change of variety.

The point like matching physical beauty is taken care of before the marriage itself by the elders. The elders have the experience of marriage and post-married life to take care of the significance of all the required points for a happy married life till the end of life. If the parents go wrong, children can rectify them because true conclusion depends on the wisdom and not on mere age. Matching beauty is very essential for happy married life, but, it is not going to be eternal because it changes with the growing age. Hence, a balance must be arrived between parents and children in doing the marriage of the children so that the love between the couple stands eternally throughout their life without such deviations exploiting the real sense of the free will in the sense that the mind desires something new always though the desired person is devoid of all merits and possessing all defects.

Ordinary human beings shall not imitate divine personalities without understanding the divine background. Sage Paraashara met with Satyavati to generate a wonderful spiritual preacher called as sage Vyaasa, who was immediately born as a boy without the requirements of pregnancy. If one imitates Paraashara in this aspect, it is foolishness since such imitating person can’t generate a miraculous boy in such a miraculously way without the usual appearance of pregnancy! The scripture says that the divine personality should not be imitated by an ordinary person since such imitation will lead to the destruction of the imitating person (Avaradaurbalyaat, Teshaam tejyovisheshena pratyavaayo na vidyate, tadanviikshya prayunjaanah siidatyavarako janah).

If you want to imitate God Krishna to dance with other ladies, first, you must prove that you are God by lifting a hill on your finger. Gopikaas were sages doing penance for the sake of God, who were liberated from all worldly bonds. The three strong worldly bonds are with issues, money and life-partner. The strength of these three strong bonds was tested by God before giving the certificate of salvation from worldly bonds. Stealing their butter-wealth reserved for their issues (testing bond with issues and wealth) and dancing with them in Brundaavanam (testing bond with their life partners) are such divine tests done by God, which were never repeated in any other case in the future life of God Krishna.

Please propagate this spiritual knowledge in your circle of friends, relatives etc., in the service of God Dattatreya by which God is very much pleased to bless you.