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Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Kingsnairaland(m): 11:19am On Dec 27, 2022
caye:


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In his apocalyptic vision in the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John sees the “beast,” also called the Antichrist, rising out of the sea having seven heads and ten horns (Revelation 13:1). Combining this vision with Daniel’s similar one (Daniel 7:16-24), we can conclude that some sort of world system will be inaugurated by the beast, the most powerful “horn,” who will defeat the other nine and will begin to wage war against Christians. The ten-nation confederacy is also seen in Daniel’s image of the statue in Daniel 2:41-42, where he pictures the final world government consisting of ten entities represented by the ten toes of the statue. Whoever the ten are and however they come to power, Scripture is clear that the beast will either destroy them or reduce their power to nothing more than figureheads. In the end, they will do his bidding.

John goes on to describe the ruler of this vast empire as having power and great authority, given to him by Satan himself (Revelation 13:2), being followed by and receiving worship from “all the world” (13:3-4), and having authority over “every tribe, people, language and nation” (13:7). From this description, it is logical to assume that this person is the leader of a one-world government which is recognized as sovereign over all other governments. It’s hard to imagine how such diverse systems of government as are in power today would willingly subjugate themselves to a single ruler, and there are many theories on the subject. A logical conclusion is that the disasters and plagues described in Revelation as the seal and trumpet judgments (chapters 6-11) will be so devastating and create such a monumental global crisis that people will embrace anything and anyone who promises to give them relief.

Once entrenched in power, the beast (Antichrist) and the power behind him (Satan) will move to establish absolute control over all peoples of the earth to accomplish their true end, the worship Satan has been seeking ever since being thrown out of heaven (Isaiah 14:12-14). One way they will accomplish this is by controlling all commerce, and this is where the idea of a one-world currency comes in. Revelation 13:16-17 describes some sort of satanic mark which will be required in order to buy and sell. This means anyone who refuses the mark will be unable to buy food, clothing or other necessities of life. No doubt the vast majority of people in the world will succumb to the mark simply to survive. Again, verse 16 makes it clear that this will be a universal system of control where everyone, rich and poor, great and small, will bear the mark on their hand or forehead. There is a great deal of speculation as to how exactly this mark will be affixed, but the technologies that are available right now could accomplish it very easily.

Those who are left behind after the Rapture of the Church will be faced with an excruciating choice—accept the mark of the beast in order to survive or face starvation and horrific persecution by the Antichrist and his followers. But those who come to Christ during this time, those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life (Revelation 13:8.. , will choose to endure, even to martyrdom.


This has nothing to do with deeper life which I don't attend

This is simply logic

Antichrist needs the world powers to unite to face holy people and to face christ

Bible already said Satan is the god of this world it pure logic.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by tctrills: 11:54am On Dec 27, 2022
Kingsnairaland:
you are funny taking the red area is more than enough for Russia because Russia just want to punish Ukraine you can see Russia don't even need the land because it is the biggest nation on earth lol

Ukraine land it took is punishment for wanting to Join nato so it best to surround them and make then suffer for it

Wise up and see Ukraine is in darkness and cold and bleeding.
Funny. So you think Russia started a war just to take 15% of Ukraine. I see how you think.

Meanwhile, Sweden and Finland and in more advanced talks with NATO. It seems your Russia did not get the memo.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by tctrills: 11:56am On Dec 27, 2022
Kingsnairaland:
read my past messages I told you that they only went back because of the river if Ukraine destroy the river the military on the other side won't survive so Ukraine can't cross the river because they don't have military bridge and if they use boat Russia wipes them off.
Laughs. The aim in war is to keep going forward. I keep telling you, that river was there during the second world war yet the Russians pushed the Germans across. That losser logic is not working here oga.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Kingsnairaland(m): 12:07pm On Dec 27, 2022
tctrills:

Laughs. The aim in war is to keep going forward. I keep telling you, that river was there during the second world war yet the Russians pushed the Germans across. That losser logic is not working here oga.
Soviet union pushed Germany out including Ukraine so the river was an advantage when pushing German out lol because Ukraine in those places will give Soviet Russia the needed help it needs.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Kingsnairaland(m): 12:12pm On Dec 27, 2022
tctrills:

Funny. So you think Russia started a war just to take 15% of Ukraine. I see how you think.

Meanwhile, Sweden and Finland and in more advanced talks with NATO. It seems your Russia did not get the memo.
one tiny land dispute then you can't join nato it in nato laws

I told you Russia don't need the land it just because they want to hinder Ukraine from joining nato go check what Russia did to Georgia and took their land lol and nato ran away

That same thing that will happen to Ukraine.

Now Sweden and Finland own will be solved when the time comes.

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Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by tctrills: 12:55pm On Dec 27, 2022
Kingsnairaland:
one tiny land dispute then you can't join nato it in nato laws

I told you Russia don't need the land it just because they want to hinder Ukraine from joining nato go check what Russia did to Georgia and took their land lol and nato ran away

That same thing that will happen to Ukraine.

Now Sweden and Finland own will be solved when the time comes.
Lol. You try to stop Ukraine from Joining NATO only to push touch stronger nations to NATO. Where I come from, it is called stupidity.
I am still trying to figure out how this is good for Russia in anyway.
Right now, they are on the retreat in Ukraine. This is a war they would ultimately lose.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by tctrills: 12:56pm On Dec 27, 2022
Kingsnairaland:
Soviet union pushed Germany out including Ukraine so the river was an advantage when pushing German out lol because Ukraine in those places will give Soviet Russia the needed help it needs.
You don't seem to be saying anything here. Please read and repost.

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Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by ocelot2006(m): 1:05pm On Dec 27, 2022
rexel99:
Army weyy de on the run since how many months now. Mtcheew, yeye de smell.

If the Russian army is strong why do they have to resort to the cowardly act of using drones to hit civilian installations? A move akin to guerrilla tactics used only by terrorists or insurgents. Make the Army return to battlefield fight like the men of the Ukraine army.


Army on which run? Are you even following what's happening on the Ukrainian battlefield presently? Same Russian Army that's advancing in the Donetsk front, is lobbing artillery shells down range in and around Kherson city from the Eastern bank of the Dnieper road, and has practically halted whatever Ukrainian offensive up north at the Luhansk border? That's the force "on the run"? Nna, keep dreaming.

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Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by ocelot2006(m): 1:10pm On Dec 27, 2022
rexel99:


So Energy installations that cater for the needs of civilians are now military installations?

Anyway, let them return to the battlefield if them born them well. Not hit and run like boko haram.

Same energy facilities power Ukraine's rail network that transports it's troops and equipment in bulk. Same energy facilities powers every other thing from telecoms and data services, air defence, etc. So it's considered dual purpose. If the Americans and Isrealis can target Iraqi and Lebanese power infrastructure in 2003 and 2006 respectively, why shouldn't the Russians do same?

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Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by ocelot2006(m): 1:14pm On Dec 27, 2022
tctrills:

It's funny, the Russian are bombing yet retreating.

Retreating from where exactly? And pls don't mention Kharkiv and western Kherson again; you'll basically be beating a dead horse. So...please do tell.

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Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by tctrills: 1:30pm On Dec 27, 2022
ocelot2006:


Retreating from where exactly? And pls don't mention Kharkiv and western Kherson again; you'll basically be beating a dead horse. So...please do tell.
Lol. Did they not retreat from those areas? The last time Russia made any major progress was many months ago. Since then the Ukrainians have been wiping Russia's ass.
An overrated army of Soviet times tanks and fake S4 missiles.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:36pm On Dec 27, 2022
tctrills:

Lol. You try to stop Ukraine from Joining NATO only to push touch stronger nations to NATO. Where I come from, it is called stupidity.
I am still trying to figure out how this is good for Russia in anyway.
Right now, they are on the retreat in Ukraine. This is a war they would ultimately lose.
which retreat lol check map Russia withdrew because of Ukraine bombing the bridge river. The blue spot is to small compared with red places Russia took lol.

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Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by mojoyin73585: 1:49pm On Dec 27, 2022
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Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:56pm On Dec 27, 2022
Not every one can understand the Bible that why you refuse to believe in God when he said antichrist will desire... (Revelation 13:2), being followed by and receiving worship from “all the world” (13:3-4), and having authority over “every tribe, people, language and nation” (13:7).
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by tctrills: 2:17pm On Dec 27, 2022
Kingsnairaland:
which retreat lol check map Russia withdrew because of Ukraine bombing the bridge river. The blue spot is to small compared with red places Russia took lol.
Oga please browse the meaning of retreat. Withdrawal exactly the same thing.
All your red spots was won before June and all the blue spot was lost after June.
Russia is now on the defensive. It's backwards every for Russia. Your red spots are reducing every week.
How come you never look at the white spot. That's most of Ukraine.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Kingsnairaland(m): 2:44pm On Dec 27, 2022
tctrills:

Oga please browse the meaning of retreat. Withdrawal exactly the same thing.
All your red spots was won before June and all the blue spot was lost after June.
Russia is now on the defensive. It's backwards every for Russia. Your red spots are reducing every week.
How come you never look at the white spot. That's most of Ukraine.
Russia don't need the white spot that just bush no city no good land I did not tell you that Russia did not retreat or withdraw what am saying is because of the bridge river bombing that why they left to a land area now Ukraine can't even cross the river and the war has become stand still and Russia now move to Bakhmut
City in Ukraine to continue the war

And Ukraine is crying there and dieing each day.

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Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by tctrills: 2:49pm On Dec 27, 2022
Kingsnairaland:
Russia don't need the white spot that just bush no city no good land I did not tell you that Russia did not retreat or withdraw what am saying is because of the bridge river bombing that why they left to a land area now Ukraine can't even cross the river and the war has become stand still and Russia now move to Bakhmut
City in Ukraine to continue the war

And Ukraine is crying there and dieing each day.
Yes Russia only needs the spots they withdraw into.
You seem not to be following this war. From day one, Russia tried to capture Kyiv. They began with helicopter and paratroopers but failed woefully in 3 days.
It's clears that the Russian ambition refuses with the reality of war.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Tdotbluejays1: 2:50pm On Dec 27, 2022
Mtchew. War will be 1 year in February.

Weak Russian military.

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Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Kingsnairaland(m): 2:56pm On Dec 27, 2022
tctrills:

Yes Russia only needs the spots they withdraw into.
You seem not to be following this war. From day one, Russia tried to capture Kyiv. They began with helicopter and paratroopers but failed woefully in 3 days.
It's clears that the Russian ambition refuses with the reality of war.

Now the art of war is for mature minds it states never allow your enemies to know what you are planning that why people thought Russia wanted kyiv no

It was distraction to make Ukraine remove military men from East part to go protect the capital once Ukraine did that you saw how easy it was for Russia to capture the east part

Even many military men said they learnt a thing or two from Russia. Deception to get a goal

I know you don't understand the tactics that why you thought Russia wanted kyiv

To get kyiv you need to carpet bomb it one by one which is what Russia is doing

After power supply next is banks etc.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by tctrills: 3:04pm On Dec 27, 2022
Kingsnairaland:


Now the art of war is for mature minds it states never allow your enemies to know what you are planning that why people thought Russia wanted kyiv no

It was distraction to make Ukraine remove military men from East part to go protect the capital once Ukraine did that you saw how easy it was for Russia to capture the east part

Even many military men said they learnt a learning from Russia. Deception to get a goal

I know you don't understand the tactics that why you thought Russia wanted kyiv

To get kyiv you need to carpet bomb it one by one which is what Russia is doing

After power supply next is banks etc.

Comedy. And the same distraction led Russia to run from Kharkiv and Kherson and other key cities like Lyman, Izyum, Kupiansk. I see you are indeed 5he greatest war strategist of our time.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Kingsnairaland(m): 4:35pm On Dec 27, 2022
tctrills:

Comedy. And the same distraction led Russia to run from Kharkiv and Kherson and other key cities like Lyman, Izyum, Kupiansk. I see you are indeed 5he greatest war strategist of our time.
so up till now you have not understood the purpose of the withdrawal lol

So this red place that is very important and big is not enough for you lol

This red place that is bigger than UK lol and very rich in minerals vital sea corridor and cutting of Ukraine from the sea

Lol just one plot of land issue you will get you can't join nato not to talk about a big land that bigger than Uk

Lol

Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Kelvin3476: 5:08pm On Dec 27, 2022
Nancy2020:
The issue will be resolved by peace or by force with Russia army destruction of Ukraine so the point has been made it up to Ukraine to negotiate the one they want HAHAHAHAHAHA.
do u think its easy ?
they never decide since feb 24 , na now they wan decide ?
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Kelvin3476: 5:19pm On Dec 27, 2022
Kingsnairaland:
you are funny taking the red area is more than enough for Russia because Russia just want to punish Ukraine you can see Russia don't even need the land because it is the biggest nation on earth lol

Ukraine land it took is punishment for wanting to Join nato so it best to surround them and make then suffer for it

Wise up and see Ukraine is in darkness and cold and bleeding.
OGA JUST SHUT UP.
WHO PUNISHES ANOTHER NATION BY LOSING THEIR MILITARY MEN ?
MAKE I TELL U " THE ONLY THING HOLDING RUSSIA IS THEIR NUKE ". UKRAINE FOR DNT FIGHT THEM ENTER THEIR SOIL
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Kingsnairaland(m): 5:26pm On Dec 27, 2022
Kelvin3476:

OGA JUST SHUT UP.
WHO PUNISHES ANOTHER NATION BY LOSING THEIR MILITARY MEN ?
MAKE I TELL U " THE ONLY THING HOLDING RUSSIA IS THEIR NUKE ". UKRAINE FOR DNT FIGHT THEM ENTER THEIR SOIL

move to the next door I don't have time for insult.

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Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by joyandfaith: 5:30pm On Dec 27, 2022
Kingsnairaland:
Russia's Lavrov: Either Ukraine fulfils Moscow's proposals or our army will decide


Russia's proposals for "demilitarisation" and "denazification" are known to Kyiv -- either Ukraine fulfils them or the issue will be decided by the Russian army, Russia's foreign minister says -

https://www.reuters.com/world/russias-lavrov-either-ukraine-fulfils-moscows-proposals-or-our-army-will-decide-2022-12-26/

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov attends the international conference "Eurasian Choice as a Basis for Strengthening Sovereignty" organised by the United Russia party in Moscow, Russia December 14, 2022. Alexander Zemlianichenko/Pool via REUTERS/File Photo






Dec 27 (Reuters) - Moscow's proposals for settlement in Ukraine are well known to Kyiv and either Ukraine fulfils them for their own good or the Russian army will decide the issue, TASS agency quoted Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as saying.

"Our proposals for the demilitarization and denazification of the territories controlled by the regime, the elimination of threats to Russia's security emanating from there, including our new lands, are well known to the enemy," the state news agency


quoted Lavrov as saying late on Monday.

The point is simple: Fulfil them for your own good. Otherwise, the issue will be decided by the Russian army."

Moscow has been calling its invasion in Ukraine a "special military operation" to "demilitarise" and "denazify" its neighbour. Kyiv and its Western allies call it an imperial-style aggression to grab land.

In September, Moscow proclaimed it had annexed four provinces of Ukraine - Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson - after holding so-called referendums that were rejected as bogus and illegal by Kyiv and its allies.

On Sunday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Moscow was open to negotiations and blamed Kyiv and its Western backers for a lack of talks, a stance Washington has previously dismissed as posturing amid persistent Russian attacks.

Lavrov told TASS that when it comes to how long the conflict will last, "the ball is in the regime's court and Washington behind it."

There is no end in sight to the war, which has entered its 11th month and which has killed thousands, displaced millions and turned cities into rubble.

Kyiv has ruled out conceding any land to Russia in return for peace, and publicly demands Russia relinquish all territory. Moscow has insisted it is pursing "demilitarisation" and "denazification" but in reality its aims have not been fully defined.

After 10 months of 3 days war. RUSSIA is begging NK and Iran for weapons, begging Belarus to join in the fight. It is like demilitarisation and denazification are going on in Russia. Well, Kremlin always mean the opposite what it is said.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Kingsnairaland(m): 5:35pm On Dec 27, 2022
joyandfaith:


After 10 months of 3 days war. RUSSIA is begging NK and Iran for weapons, begging Belarus to join in the fight. It is like demilitarisation and denazification are going on in Russia. Well, Kremlin always mean the opposite what it is said.
you can ask Iran iran sold it drones to Russia before the war and wanted to test it out with other weapons

North Korea said it did not sell any thing to Russia

Russia is a weapon making nation

The ak 47 the whole world uses is from Russia point and shoot any one can handle it lol

Russia manufactured 100,000 tanks in WWII with less tech and resources than today.

The issue is Ukraine and Western fans are being brainwashed by their own propaganda.

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Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by BentizilL: 5:39pm On Dec 27, 2022
Tdotbluejays1:
Mtchew. War will be 1 year in February.

Weak Russian military.
At least they haven't spent 20 years like US did in Vietnam with a standalone south Vietnamese army and allies... kiss

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Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Kingsnairaland(m): 5:44pm On Dec 27, 2022
BentizilL:

At least they haven't spent 20 years like US did in Vietnam with a standalone south Vietnamese army and allies... kiss
Lol.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by joyandfaith: 6:25pm On Dec 27, 2022
Kingsnairaland:
you can ask Iran iran sold it drones to Russia before the war and wanted to test it out with other weapons

North Korea said it did not sell any thing to Russia

Russia is a weapon making nation

The ak 47 the whole world uses is from Russia point and shoot any one can handle it lol

Russia manufactured 100,000 tanks in WWII with less tech and resources than today.

The issue is Ukraine and Western fans are being brainwashed by their own propaganda.


Ak47 is widely used weapons in Africa. Thanks to cheap Russia weapons which are being used by rebels to destabilise Africa..
The fact that nk and iran supplied weapons to Russis in exchange for oil and military aids respectively.
During ww2, uk and usa supplied what ussr need to fight back Germany. Check lend-lease act.
The issue is Russian and Eastern fans are being brainwashed by their own propaganda.
Don't be deluded by the eastern propaganda.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Kingsnairaland(m): 7:31pm On Dec 27, 2022
joyandfaith:


Ak47 is widely used weapons in Africa. Thanks to cheap Russia weapons which are being used by rebels to destabilise Africa..
The fact that nk and iran supplied weapons to Russis in exchange for oil and military aids respectively.
During ww2, uk and usa supplied what ussr need to fight back Germany. Check lend-lease act.
The issue is Russian and Eastern fans are being brainwashed by their own propaganda.
Don't be deluded by the eastern propaganda.

Media wants you to believe lies you are free to..... I asked one USA fan on Facebook because he goes about to say Russia uses USA technology that so and so and when I asked him how come Russia built the first hypersonic weapons before USA he did not know the answer he then found out media has been lying to him lol

There is no technology that USA has that Russia don't have even many people in USA forum that are wise have been saying Russia has fallen angels technology

We laugh when they say it because the wise ones know Russia builds it own things

So do you know Iran builds it own software some thing that no one taught it could do

The drone it build has a special software that can't be hacked because it built from scratch

North Korea is rich not poor like media wants us to believe

There are so many homeless people in USA than in Russia lol in fact no homeless people in Russia because of Russia degree but USA can't decree that because they believe in fake freedom of staying any where you want lol.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by joyandfaith: 9:01pm On Dec 27, 2022
Kingsnairaland:


Media wants you to believe lies you are free to..... I asked one USA fan on Facebook because he goes about to say Russia uses USA technology that so and so and when I asked him how come Russia built the first hypersonic weapons before USA he did not know the answer he then found out media has been lying to him lol

There is no technology that USA has that Russia don't have even many people in USA forum that are wise have been saying Russia has fallen angels technology

We laugh when they say it because the wise ones know Russia builds it own things

So do you know Iran builds it own software some thing that no one taught it could do

The drone it build has a special software that can't be hacked because it built from scratch

North Korea is rich not poor like media wants us to believe

There are so many homeless people in USA than in Russia lol in fact no homeless people in Russia because of Russia degree but USA can't decree that because they believe in fake freedom of staying any where you want lol.

Media wants you to believe lies you are free to believe.
Do you mean old soviet technology? Your android phone, Google, Internet etc are based on western technology.
Tell me any Russia technology that you are benefitting from. If any Russian company use western technology it is either they bought it or paying royalties for it.
You can believe any lie Russia media are feeding you.
Re: Either Ukraine Fulfils Moscow's Proposals Or Our Russia Army Will Decide by Just30: 10:35pm On Dec 27, 2022
joyandfaith:


Media wants you to believe lies you are free to believe.
Do you mean old soviet technology? Your android phone, Google, Internet etc are based on western technology.
Tell me any Russia technology that you are benefitting from. If any Russian company use western technology it is either they bought it or paying royalties for it.
You can believe any lie Russia media are feeding you.
you are benefitting from radio technology today, without it, you won't have a cellphone in hand and neither will we be able to communicate with satellites or the voyagers that are trillion kilometers away from earth.

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