Can river niger be dredged to allow ocean vessels to kogi and niger? Would first and second niger bridge not affect the passage of large vessel?

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javaguru:
and onitsha

I believe ocean vessel can navigate through onisha port but not sure of kogi and niger

This is a good question, i believe the 2nd niger bridge is too low, the first is high enough. Inland ports would improve market accessibility, imagine if the river niger and benue was completely navigable.

Recent good news i could find was that Onitsha has a river port, and its concession was given out last year so i expect it to prove fundamental in reducing transport costs.

Hollykid:
Can river niger be dredged to allow ocean vessels to kogi and niger? Would first and second niger bridge not affect the passage of large vessel?

It will be too expensive and put a huge Danger on flooding prone areas of the River Niger

Dredging will need to be more than 21 Metres deep with concrete reinforcements all the way up the Niger

Imagine what will happen if a section of the Wall Collapses
That Community can be washed away from flooding

christistruth01:


It will be too expensive and put a huge Danger on flooding prone areas of the River Niger

Dredging will need to be more than 21 Metres deep with concrete reinforcements all the way up the Niger

Imagine what will happen if a section of the Wall Collapses
That Community can be washed away from flooding

Actually dredging a river is much more cost effective that building a rail. The river Niger was dredged during the Jonathan administration up to Lokoja. The project cost about 2 billion naira.

tctrills:

Actually dredging a river is much more cost effective that building a rail. The river Niger was dredged during the Jonathan administration up to Lokoja. The project cost about 2 billion naira.

Dredging for sea going ships to be able to pass is not more cost effective it involves digging the River Niger till it is at least 21 Meters deep but often deeper and i think that the Suez Canal is about 1 mile wide

The Technology and Money to maintain the waterway daily and its deep concrete walls alone is massive
Not to talk of the Communities whose lives would be at risk from any litte Technical Malfunction

Ferries and Barges may go up the Niger but not ships


Go and watch the Documentary on the Port of Tilbury in UK or the one on the Suez Canal

It will be far more Safer and Economical to build Railways to the Sea Ports in Nigeria

christistruth01:



Dredging for sea going ships to be able to pass is not more cost effective it involves digging the River Niger till it is at least 21 Meters deep but often deeper and i think that the Suez Canal is about 1 mile wide

The Technology and Money to maintain the waterway daily and its deep concrete walls alone is massive
Not to talk of the Communities whose lives would be at risk from any litte Technical Malfunction

Ferries and Barges may go up the Niger but not ships


Go and watch the Documentary on the Port of Tilbury in UK or the one on the Suez Canal

It will be far more Safer and Economical to build Railways to the Sea Ports in Nigeria

i believe the closest approximation we have to the issue of dredging the niger is the danube river in europe, it wasnt completely navagable and required maintenance and canals to be built, as long as the economic productivity created b the canal is taxed effectively it will always be able to fund its maintenance. i believe if serious multinational investment is directed to transforming the river niger to an artery of trade the entirety of west africa will have its GDP quadruple.

christistruth01:


It will be too expensive and put a huge Danger on flooding prone areas of the River Niger

Dredging will need to be more than 21 Metres deep with concrete reinforcements all the way up the Niger

Imagine what will happen if a section of the Wall Collapses
That Community can be washed away from flooding

dyke building and the strategic growing of mangroves to combat flooding would negate the danger, the dutch did it, im sure we can emulate them.

christistruth01:



Dredging for sea going ships to be able to pass is not more cost effective it involves digging the River Niger till it is at least 21 Meters deep but often deeper and i think that the Suez Canal is about 1 mile wide

The Technology and Money to maintain the waterway daily and its deep concrete walls alone is massive
Not to talk of the Communities whose lives would be at risk from any litte Technical Malfunction

Ferries and Barges may go up the Niger but not ships


Go and watch the Documentary on the Port of Tilbury in UK or the one on the Suez Canal

It will be far more Safer and Economical to build Railways to the Sea Ports in Nigeria

The Rhine river and Mississippi are 2 navigated rivers with several ports. In fact, Switzerland depends entirely on the Rhine being landlocked.
It took little to nothing to make these rivers as major arteries for Goods in both Europe and America. None of the expensive construction you suggested are used in any of these rivers. The inland ports on the Rhine and Mississippi each handles more that 2x the volume of all the ports in Nigeria. Infact river transport is the second cheapest form of goods transport in the US. Second only to pipelines.
Without the Rhine, Germany would not be the economic super power that it presently is.
Same goes for UK and the Thames.
The Niger is about 6x wider than the Rhine. It can take much bigger vessels. It's only unfortunate that we have ignored what could have led to great economic development.

tctrills:


The Rhine river and Mississippi are 2 navigated rivers with several ports. In fact, Switzerland depends entirely on the Rhine being landlocked.
It took little to nothing to make these rivers as major arteries for Goods in both Europe and America. None of the expensive construction you suggested are used in any of these rivers. The inland ports on the Rhine and Mississippi each handles more that 2x the volume of all the ports in Nigeria. Infact river transport is the second cheapest form of goods transport in the US. Second only to pipelines.
Without the Rhine, Germany would not be the economic super power that it presently is.
Same goes for UK and the Thames.
The Niger is about 6x wider than the Rhine. It can take much bigger vessels. It's only unfortunate that we have ignored what could have led to great economic development.

River Niger is wide but it is not deep

Many parts of the Niger the Canoe men can touch the River bottom Poles

River Niger is not very Navigable because it is relatively Shallow even some parts of River Niger

around the Jebba Area can be Crossed by foot during the dry Season because it is that Shallow


Railways are more Economical than digging at least 21 M into the Bed of the River Niger

Please also remember that the Niger Delta is mostly made up of Flood Planes where

Communities living their can easy be washed away by any malfunction in the Construction

of the Canal

For example at Warri port a Section Of the 21 M deep wall collapsed and till today it has not yet been

rebuilt ,if Warri had not been near the Sea where the water could escape to communities

around the Collapsed wall could easily be washed away

christistruth01:


It will be too expensive and put a huge Danger on flooding prone areas of the River Niger

Dredging will need to be more than 21 Metres deep with concrete reinforcements all the way up the Niger

Imagine what will happen if a section of the Wall Collapses
That Community can be washed away from flooding

You don't know what you're saying. Dredging actually reduces the risk of flooding. Dredging is just like de-silting canals. When sediments accumulate, it makes water to overflow and flood surrounding areas but when it's dredged, it gives the river Niger more room to accommodate additional water.

If you're around Lokoja during dry season, you will observe that river Niger will dry up living sediments that are almost the same level with the river banks.

Unfortunately, dredging the Niger up to Baro will be extremely difficult due to rapids and falls in some sections as well as poor recharge from the surrounding areas.

MrEverest:


You don't know what you're saying. Dredging actually reduces the risk of flooding. Dredging is just like de-silting canals. When sediments accumulate, it makes water to overflow and flood surrounding areas but when it's dredged, it gives the river Niger more room to accommodate additional water.

Not in the case of the River Niger

River Niger is not a deep River

To make it really Navigable for Sea going Ships you will need to engage in huge Construction

Dredging the Niger to at least 21M deep remember that some parts of the Niger you can walk across

on foot during the dry season and you would also need to Dam the Niger in some places

so that there is it enough water to keep the ships afloat all the way to the Sea

from Barro to the Sea must be at least 600 km it is a very high tech operation

Nigeria is not ready for it they cannot even maintain it

Stick to the Cargo Railway to the Sea Port you will do much better

and have money left over to develop the Communities the Railway passes through



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABc-AepM0JA


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Hollykid:
Can river niger be dredged to allow ocean vessels to kogi and niger? Would first and second niger bridge not affect the passage of large vessel?

It is no longer necessary to dredge the River Niger to allow big vessels in. River ports use mainly tugboats and barges to transport goods. All you need is to build a drop of point at the estuary, have the tugboats and barges arrive there, pick up the goods, and transport them to the river port.

Below is a tugboat towing three barges full of hundreds of containers to a River port

christistruth01:


It will be too expensive and put a huge Danger on flooding prone areas of the River Niger

Dredging will need to be more than 21 Metres deep with concrete reinforcements all the way up the Niger

Imagine what will happen if a section of the Wall Collapses
That Community can be washed away from flooding

Another and gbegiri and trophy malu ..

MrEverest:


You don't know what you're saying. Dredging actually reduces the risk of flooding. Dredging is just like de-silting canals. When sediments accumulate, it makes water to overflow and flood surrounding areas but when it's dredged, it gives the river Niger more room to accommodate additional water.

If you're around Lokoja during dry season, you will observe that river Niger will dry up living sediments that are almost the same level with the river banks.

Unfortunately, dredging the Niger up to Baro will be extremely difficult due to rapids and falls in some sections as well as poor recharge from the surrounding areas.

What do you expect from Tinubu supporter

christistruth01:


River Niger is wide but it is not deep

Many parts of the Niger the Canoe men can touch the River bottom Poles

River Niger is not very Navigable because it is relatively Shallow even some parts of River Niger

around the Jebba Area can be Crossed by foot during the dry Season because it is that Shallow


Railways are more Economical than digging at least 21 M into the Bed of the River Niger

Please also remember that the Niger Delta is mostly made up of Flood Planes where

Communities living their can easy be washed away by any malfunction in the Construction

of the Canal

For example at Warri port a Section Of the 21 M deep wall collapsed and till today it has not yet been

rebuilt ,if Warri had not been near the Sea where the water could escape to communities

around the Collapsed wall could easily be washed away

Dredging a river is not really expensive relative to a rail. Also it's actually the opposite. Dredging prevents flooding. It increases the volume of water that can flow through the river at a given time.
Dredging of rivers is actually very old technology. It doesn't need any added reinforcement or much construction.
The river was actually dredged during Jonathan's time and if I am correct it cost about 32 billion naira. This is peanuts compared to the cost of rail.

christistruth01:


Not in the case of the River Niger

River Niger is not a deep River

To make it really Navigable for Sea going Ships you will need to engage in huge Construction

Dredging the Niger to at least 21M deep remember that some parts of the Niger you can walk across

on foot during the dry season and you would also need to Dam the Niger in some places

so that there is it enough water to keep the ships afloat all the way to the Sea

from Barro to the Sea must be at least 600 km it is a very high tech operation

Nigeria is not ready for it they cannot even maintain it

Stick to the Cargo Railway to the Sea Port you will do much better

and have money left over to develop the Communities the Railway passes through



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABc-AepM0JA


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Selfish dude please which community across river Niger can you walk on foot during dry season That's one problem with you some of you bitter and selfish guys from West, a place you haven't been or seen in your entire life you are writing all this nonsense, you simply want others to depend in western Ports through that's your only bargaining power, that's why you guys are quick to smear any possible ports in other regions, soon the monopoly will be over, if Egypt can dredge, maintain and be using long Nile which length is 6,650 km why wouldn't Nigeria dredge her portion mind you that total length of River Niger across six countries passes through is 4,180 km length, so Nigeria portion isn't up to 1,300km.

post=120475679:

Selfish dude please which community across river Niger can you walk on foot during dry season That's one problem with you some of you bitter and selfish guys from West, a place you haven't been or seen in your entire life you are writing all this nonsense, you simply want others to depend in western Ports through that's your only bargaining power, that's why you guys are quick to smear any possible ports in other regions, soon the monopoly will be over, if Egypt can dredge, maintain and be using long Nile which length is 6,650 km why wouldn't Nigeria dredge her portion mind you that total length of River Niger across six countries passes through is 4,180 km length, so Nigeria portion isn't up to 1,300km.

Photo:Upper River Niger in the Dry Season

Do you really think this can produce enough Water to float 200,000 tonnes Sea going Ships from and back to the Sea

Please be honest with yourself

post=120475679:

Selfish dude please which community across river Niger can you walk on foot during dry season That's one problem with you some of you bitter and selfish guys from West, a place you haven't been or seen in your entire life you are writing all this nonsense, you simply want others to depend in western Ports through that's your only bargaining power, that's why you guys are quick to smear any possible ports in other regions, soon the monopoly will be over, if Egypt can dredge, maintain and be using long Nile which length is 6,650 km why wouldn't Nigeria dredge her portion mind you that total length of River Niger across six countries passes through is 4,180 km length, so Nigeria portion isn't up to 1,300km.

Stop being emotional..
No one is wasting money dredging the Niger . There are better things to do with our scarce resources.
Nigeria is not landlocked.
There are plenty ports on the eastern front already.
What you losers should advocate for is the proper utilisation of those ports .

What is the difference between wasting money on dredging the Niger and RUGA ?? same senseless policy aimed at placating a section of the country.

christistruth01:



Dredging for sea going ships to be able to pass is not more cost effective it involves digging the River Niger till it is at least 21 Meters deep but often deeper and i think that the Suez Canal is about 1 mile wide

The Technology and Money to maintain the waterway daily and its deep concrete walls alone is massive
Not to talk of the Communities whose lives would be at risk from any litte Technical Malfunction

Ferries and Barges may go up the Niger but not ships


Go and watch the Documentary on the Port of Tilbury in UK or the one on the Suez Canal

It will be far more Safer and Economical to build Railways to the Sea Ports in Nigeria

some sections of Suez canal is not up to 1m haba

okeysoninv:
some sections of Suez canal is not up to 1m haba

The Suez Canal is 24 Meters deep


It is not possible for a Sea Going Cargo ship to Sail in 1M Of Water

christistruth01:


The Suez Canal is 24 Meters deep


It is not possible for a Sea Going Cargo ship to Sail in 1M Of Water

the width he said 1 Mile

Hollykid:

I believe ocean vessel can navigate through onisha port but not sure of kogi and niger

Well, if there are cataracts on the way, it won't get to Kogi

okeysoninv:
the width he said 1 Mile

He said 1 M, I was explaining that such a Waterway would need to be at least 21M deep

The Suez Canal is 24 M deep

okeysoninv:
some sections of Suez canal is not up to 1m haba

christistruth01:


He said 1 M

1 meter width ?

okeysoninv:
1 meter width ?

I was explaining that the Niger River Which dries up in the dry season in many Places was not deep enough

and couldn’t even produce enough water to float Sea going Ships in an at least 21 M deep waterway

christistruth01:


I was explaining that the Niger River Which dries up in the dry season in many Places was not deep enough

and couldn’t even produce enough water to float Sea going Ships in an at least 21 M deep waterway

take correction , you said Suez canal is 1 Mile wide na

okeysoninv:
take correction , you said Suez canal is 1 Mile wide na

1 M is 1 meter

Just admit you made a mistake

okeysoninv:
some sections of Suez canal is not up to 1m haba

christistruth01:



Dredging for sea going ships to be able to pass is not more cost effective it involves digging the River Niger till it is at least 21 Meters deep but often deeper and i think that the Suez Canal is about 1 mile wide

The Technology and Money to maintain the waterway daily and its deep concrete walls alone is massive
Not to talk of the Communities whose lives would be at risk from any litte Technical Malfunction

Ferries and Barges may go up the Niger but not ships


Go and watch the Documentary on the Port of Tilbury in UK or the one on the Suez Canal

It will be far more Safer and Economical to build Railways to the Sea Ports in Nigeria

no be me talk am here. See the bolded