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Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by Bestmanfornow: 10:36pm On Mar 27, 2023
Putinofrussia:

Continue to deceive yourself.Petty trading does not grow an economy like industries.
In Britain,the largest number of petty traders are the Pakistanis,reason they are not as rich as the Britons.
The SW is richer because they have the highest number of middle class,lawyers,professors,doctors,engineers etc.
Igbos should not depend on almost 80% petty trading the way they are doing.It makes them need a large population,makes them go into different criminal activities than the other tribes.
They have to make a little change to their economic platform and strategy.
If Nigeria breaks this moment,Igbos will have a lot of problems economically if they continue with this trajectory.
States in your region make more money still dey are most indebted states, still borrow to build projects
They are using you guys brain to play ludo

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Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by Putinofrussia: 10:42pm On Mar 27, 2023
Bestmanfornow:

Some of you are dumb and blinded by hate trade contribute to Nigeria gdp than manufacturing, the disadvantage is the government make less in revenue while the trade go home with more than 98% of their profits, the guys are far richer than average salary earners in your region, stop deceiving yourself
But reality and statistics say otherwise.
SW not only Lagos,has always and continue to be richer than the SE.

I can name 100 known and verified Yoruba billionaires in naira now and you will not be able to mention 40 Igbos.
You can only just spin fake and imagined fables.
Also remember that Yorubas are second in trading all over Nigeria and first in industries both in Nigeria and abroad.
Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by Putinofrussia: 10:51pm On Mar 27, 2023
Bestmanfornow:

States in your region make more money still dey are most indebted states, still borrow to build projects
They are using you guys brain to play ludo
This is stale.
SW states are
mostly credit worthy.
Why would they lend Ebonyi or Abia money when they are not sure of them having the ability to pay back.
USA and China are the most indebted nations in the world because of their credit worthiness.

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Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by FatherOfJesus: 10:53pm On Mar 27, 2023
Putinofrussia:

This is stale.
SW states are
mostly credit worthy.
Why would they lend Ebonyi or Abia money when they are not sure of them having the ability to pay back.
USA and China are the most indebted nations in the world because of their credit worthiness.
Kai, this guy has turned this thing to tribalism. Shame shame shame
Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by Wutinky: 10:55pm On Mar 27, 2023
FatherOfJesus:
Kai, this guy has turned this thing to tribalism. Shame shame shame




That's a typical Yoruba man for you
Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by Putinofrussia: 10:55pm On Mar 27, 2023
FatherOfJesus:
Kai, this guy has turned this thing to tribalism. Shame shame shame
Juxstaposing is for good understanding of the subject matter.
Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by FatherOfJesus: 11:03pm On Mar 27, 2023
Putinofrussia:

This is stale.
SW states are
mostly credit worthy.
Why would they lend Ebonyi or Abia money when they are not sure of them having the ability to pay back.
USA and China are the most indebted nations in the world because of their credit worthiness.
I am going to have to educate your a bit. There's no harm in borrowing, borrowing becomes nonsense when you do it to embezzle the money like we get in most states in Nigeria.

Now, when you talk major markets, production firms in southwest cannot thrive without wholesalers in big markets. Most of you don't really understand how these things work but I will give you an example.

I use to work for may and baker as a pharmaceutical sales representative, I grew to the position of a sales manager. In a typical pharmaceutical industry, we have key accounts managers, those key accounts are the big wholesalers that have the funds to buy in bulk. As long as southeast and southsouth is concerned, majority of them are in head bridge market in Onitsha.

Whenever we take LPOs from them m, some LPOs can run into hundreds of millions, we forward them to Lagos, Lagos will treat this LPOs then they will use trucks and containers to move these goods to onitsha. It is from onitsha that some other wholesalers in Kogi, Benue, Enugu, port harcourt, Delta, Edo, Akwa Ibom, calabar etc will then go and buy. Because these smaller whole salers do not have the market or finance to deal with the company directly and the company in Lagos wants fast turnover.
So those industries cannot thrive without major markets and bulk wholesaler in Aba and onitsha to help them move these goods.
As a matter of fact, head bridge market, onitsha is the biggest pharmaceutical market in Nigeria. As a pharmaceutical company, if you don't have a wholesaler there then you are not serious.
Because this transaction becomes informal the moment it leaves our office in Lagos, it will be difficult for Anambra state government to tax the wholesalers in Anambra appropriately but our factory in Lagos would have factored in taxes to Lagos state and federal government into pricing before sending it to Onitsha. So it's like onitsha is working for Lagos.

It's not like those factories in Lagos are doing onitsha any Favour. Those factories need markets like onitsha with high purchsing power to be able to move their products fast. So it's a mutualistic relationship, Anambra state needs to find a way to tap into the transaction at commerce level

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Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by Bestmanfornow: 11:17pm On Mar 27, 2023
Putinofrussia:

This is stale.
SW states are
mostly credit worthy.
Why would they lend Ebonyi or Abia money when they are not sure of them having the ability to pay back.
USA and China are the most indebted nations in the world because of their credit worthiness.
Keep fooling yourself and sinking in debt

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Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by Bestmanfornow: 11:21pm On Mar 27, 2023
Putinofrussia:

But reality and statistics say otherwise.
SW not only Lagos,has always and continue to be richer than the SE.

I can name 100 known and verified Yoruba billionaires in naira now and you will not be able to mention 40 Igbos.
You can only just spin fake and imagined fables.
Also remember that Yorubas are second in trading all over Nigeria and first in industries both in Nigeria and abroad.
Empty ewedu brain

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Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by Misterone: 12:41am On Mar 28, 2023
FatherOfJesus:
Yes but a state like Ogun is more industrialized than Abia state.
For state like Bayelsa, the kind of tax just one oil company pays to state account alone, can amount to what Unilever, Dangote, Nigerian breweries and nestle will pay combined to Ogun state.

Ain abia, they have Unilever, ginuess, Nigeria bottling company etc but the state is not as industrialized as Ogun state. Commerce and illegal production is still the major source that drives economy
Oga, this your story no make sense. We have three levels of tax in Nigeria. Corporate tax collected by the FG, personal income tax collected by the state and rents collected by the LG. You pay store rent, advertisement, ground moeney, etc to the LG. If the state is not organized enough to collect PAYE, who is to blame? Don't blame others, blame your governor

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Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by Bridget95(f): 1:14am On Mar 28, 2023
Each shop at Ariaria International Market,Aba are meant to pay 18,000 each no matter how small the shop is every year.This is a very huge tax for them

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Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by FatherOfJesus: 6:53am On Mar 28, 2023
Misterone:
Oga, this your story no make sense. We have three levels of tax in Nigeria. Corporate tax collected by the FG, personal income tax collected by the state and rents collected by the LG. You pay store rent, advertisement, ground moeney, etc to the LG. If the state is not organized enough to collect PAYE, who is to blame? Don't blame others, blame your governor
You still can't get it.
Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by Misterone: 6:56am On Mar 28, 2023
FatherOfJesus:
You still can't get it.
No! Na only you get am
Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by mrhowoto: 6:57am On Mar 28, 2023
socialmediaman:
You just need to learn how it’s done in other countries, not rocket science

Taxing businesses in Anambra and Abia states are easy with right government in place.

You just need to implement local tax policies and the right technologies.

Track imports and supply chains to enable government predict local sales revenue from businesses

Also, empower tax consultants to work with local businesses to ensure compliance

For example, if company A buys goods worth 500K and reports that in their tax filing so they could get a tax break, but you fail to report the revenue in your tax filing, there’s already a disparity that warrants invitation from government which could result in huge penalties or even imprisonment.
Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by rippa(m): 7:00am On Mar 28, 2023
FatherOfJesus:
Anambra and Abia state governments will always have issues raising their IGR as fast as other states because their economy is driving by commerce, it's pure a commerce-based economy that has to do with People having to import products almost always to help fill the production deficit in the country. It's operated by an open market system that is very difficult to regulate and tax.
Unlike the service/production based economy you see in oil producing states and southwest. These economy are easier to regulate hence taxing them will not be a big issue.
Imagine a market like Ariaria and Unilever plant in Sango Otta or shell facility in Warri. It will be much easier to tax those facilities in Warri and Otta than taxing Ariaria market because there's a regulatory challenge for the latter. Because you are dealing with importers who move goods to retailers, you can only rely on tarrifs or taxing them for shop and warehouse spaces. Most of these tarrifs never get to government coffers. Tax leakage is a major problem with an open market commercial based economy.

Those markets actually make a lot of money but these monies remain in the hands of citizens instead of the government because it's hard to properly tax such forms of transactions. Imagine Onitsha market, it's like a major commercial centre for neighboring states like Enugu, Kogi, Benue, Delta, rivers, Akwa Ibom, Ondo and even Edo state and even beyond. It means that people in these states, especially the oil producing states will need to get the funds from oil, take those funds to Aba or onitsha to buy goods from importers to service the needs in their various states but at the end of the day, it becomes a problem for Abia state and Anambra to tax these transactions.
At the end of the day, funds will flow from other parts of the country to these states. Most of the funds will remain with the traders and importers because of the nature of their economy and then government will be left with the little it managed to collect.

In service and production based economy like in southwest and Southsouth, you know all the companies you will tax, they will file their returns and do the needful without stress. All you have to do is keep proper records and prosecute those who evade these taxes. Some of the money that would have been in the hands of individuals will go to the government.

This is why CBN included Abia and anambra alongside Rivers, Lagos and FCT as states with the largest cash flows in the country. The money is available because they are a major commercial hub for neighboring states but their state governments are unable to tax them.
U people should stop mentioning SW
Just say Lagos
Ekiti and ondo are the worst states in the south and they are in SW.
U people want to use Lagos to cover those 2 rubbish states and osun
Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by Lanretoye(m): 7:03am On Mar 28, 2023
Shallow minded people,if u know how much lagos generates from alaba,Ladipo and other markets you won’t be posting rubbish.maybe u don’t know what the LIRS and alpha bata does since all what is programmed in your brain is that tinubu is taking all lagos state tax.

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Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by rippa(m): 7:04am On Mar 28, 2023
FatherOfJesus:
Anambra and Abia state governments will always have issues raising their IGR as fast as other states because their economy is driving by commerce, it's pure a commerce-based economy that has to do with People having to import products almost always to help fill the production deficit in the country. It's operated by an open market system that is very difficult to regulate and tax.
Unlike the service/production based economy you see in oil producing states and southwest. These economy are easier to regulate hence taxing them will not be a big issue.
Imagine a market like Ariaria and Unilever plant in Sango Otta or shell facility in Warri. It will be much easier to tax those facilities in Warri and Otta than taxing Ariaria market because there's a regulatory challenge for the latter. Because you are dealing with importers who move goods to retailers, you can only rely on tarrifs or taxing them for shop and warehouse spaces. Most of these tarrifs never get to government coffers. Tax leakage is a major problem with an open market commercial based economy.

Those markets actually make a lot of money but these monies remain in the hands of citizens instead of the government because it's hard to properly tax such forms of transactions. Imagine Onitsha market, it's like a major commercial centre for neighboring states like Enugu, Kogi, Benue, Delta, rivers, Akwa Ibom, Ondo and even Edo state and even beyond. It means that people in these states, especially the oil producing states will need to get the funds from oil, take those funds to Aba or onitsha to buy goods from importers to service the needs in their various states but at the end of the day, it becomes a problem for Abia state and Anambra to tax these transactions.
At the end of the day, funds will flow from other parts of the country to these states. Most of the funds will remain with the traders and importers because of the nature of their economy and then government will be left with the little it managed to collect.

In service and production based economy like in southwest and Southsouth, you know all the companies you will tax, they will file their returns and do the needful without stress. All you have to do is keep proper records and prosecute those who evade these taxes. Some of the money that would have been in the hands of individuals will go to the government.

This is why CBN included Abia and anambra alongside Rivers, Lagos and FCT as states with the largest cash flows in the country. The money is available because they are a major commercial hub for neighboring states but their state governments are unable to tax them.
Which kind foolish writeup be this🙄
Which one is production based economy like the SW 🤣🤣
What is Ekiti or ondo or osun producing?
Just say Lagos and stop making it look like SW starts and end in Lagos
Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by Putinofrussia: 9:01am On Mar 28, 2023
Bestmanfornow:

Empty ewedu brain
Oha filled brain.
Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by khayman77: 10:44am On Mar 28, 2023
Please this thread is educative. I don't think we have had an educative discussion like this in the past few weeks now. Let's not derail this thread biko. I am learning already. Abeg make una no spoil this on ewith politics again.
Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by spagettiluv: 5:15pm On Apr 03, 2023
rippa:

Which kind foolish writeup be this🙄
Which one is production based economy like the SW 🤣🤣
What is Ekiti or ondo or osun producing?
Just say Lagos and stop making it look like SW starts and end in Lagos
why not mention oyo-Lagos-ogun and let compare with your region which one have industry pass
Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by okeysoninv: 6:13pm On Apr 03, 2023
Bridget95:
Each shop at Ariaria International Market,Aba are meant to pay 18,000 each no matter how small the shop is every year.This is a very huge tax for them
This is a lazy tax system in my suggestion. some business that has annual turnover of 500m to 5b. so asking them to pay partly of 18k , is due to laziness of South East governors. The law says pay as you earn i.e, every profit you made in a business you're expected to pay certain percentage. South East leaders are not good administration. Give me three months I will solve the issue of tax in Abia, and Anambra even imo and Enugu.
Re: See why markets in Onitsha And Aba Do Not Significantly Impact On State's IGR by Creeper: 6:59pm On Apr 03, 2023
This is a pretty interesting take from an Igbo person since Igbos here and on every other social media platform swear Igbos doing this model of business contribute the most to Lagos’ IGR and without them, Lagos state would become Ekiti state. And it basically just shows how vacuous and deceptive Igbos generally are.

The truth is that: this model of business doesn’t really drive an economy at the top level. Yes, it creates cash flow, business activity and ‘employment’. But you can’t really tax them because by doing so, you’ll only increase the level of poverty.

The best you can do is make them pay meagre levies since the profit they most likely make is marginal - once you deduct expenditure/overhead-cost. And that won’t really move the needle. Taxing them would create more problems due to the level of poverty in Nigeria.

I think the elephant in the room are the criminals who hide behind this type of business - when their real source of income is crime. And how do you tax crime proceeds?

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