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Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by WhereMyLoud: 8:15am On Apr 15, 2023 |
incandescentena:Blast |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Namigotalktru: 9:12am On Apr 15, 2023 |
Houseontherock1: Yup bunch of foreigners getting instructions from family and church meeting on how to vote. The owners will soon start regulating them in Abuja too |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Mecka: 9:21am On Apr 15, 2023 |
theredaddy:get out. You are very stupid. I was trying to rationalise the jargons you drafted up there. Its simple, after series of brainstorming last nite, i came to realise 25% in fct is null and void. The constitution says 25% in twothird of states and abj. Thus, 1/4 of 36 and fct |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Abrahamweb(m): 9:30am On Apr 15, 2023 |
Jack500:Because it has never come up. No one has been smart enough to challenge it. Nigeria presidential election has never seen the likes of Peter obi, simple |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by theredaddy: 9:50am On Apr 15, 2023 |
Mecka: See school dropout so its 1/4 not 2/3 as stated on the electoral act. For all those shouting "and FCT " the mathematical expression is 2/3 × 36 + 1 applying BODMAS means multiplication before addition rite 2/3×36 = 24 + 1 25 equal states " and" can't serve two interpretations, its either we use it for addition or we use it to reinstate Abuja is compulsory. if you pick the later then how do we arrive at 25 which must be met |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Xammie001(m): 10:02am On Apr 15, 2023 |
Mrtaye: Simple question you no fit answer, una sha dey display una character for here |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Ayopercent(m): 12:26pm On Apr 15, 2023 |
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thenigerianvoice.com/amp/news/319672/full-text-reply-of-tinubu-shettima-to-peter-obis-petition.html This is the comprehensive response of Bola Tinubu to Peter Obi petition. |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by lildush(m): 2:15pm On Apr 15, 2023 |
vannessa7: Not in Abuja coalition centre at state level. From the grass roots. You don't know this people. They are criminals I saw all this things . Dey can't come n swap results in Abuja na.. come on man 🤣🤣 don't support evil. |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by vannessa7(f): 2:24pm On Apr 15, 2023 |
lildush: I said it that any rigging must have been done at state or local government level which means the state representative are culpable, they sold out to the party that paid them most and even that has little effect because apart from the fact that most voters and party agents stayed in their polling units until votes were counted and forwarded to state level online, IREV also made it difficult to add unregistered voters like it was in former election before the use of IREV |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by pquaver(m): 3:42pm On Apr 15, 2023 |
gaby: Are u people not the ones who remind us how lagos was developed as a former fct? So at what point does lagos lose it Nigerianess as melting point of all Nigerians? The moment obi won fct? |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by DAILIES(m): 5:45pm On Apr 15, 2023 |
The law governing this is not explicit enough. The case will be finally determined at the Supreme Court. |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Mrtaye: 7:09pm On Apr 15, 2023 |
JDistribute:☺️ Anything to fan your ego |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Mrtaye: 7:10pm On Apr 15, 2023 |
Jack500:☺️ Okay naw paro lo |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Mrtaye: 7:11pm On Apr 15, 2023 |
nairalanda1:Prerequisite bawo abi compulsory....shaye lo no worry |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Mrtaye: 7:16pm On Apr 15, 2023 |
abbey621:Oga nothing wey you go sugarcoat okay.......Choco is different from tobacco |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Mrtaye: 7:17pm On Apr 15, 2023 |
Jack500: The constitution stated it boldly |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Mrtaye: 7:18pm On Apr 15, 2023 |
Xammie001:Na the constitution no be me |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Jack500: 12:45am On Apr 16, 2023 |
Abrahamweb: ,😆😆 Really? You will soon wake up |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Jack500: 12:46am On Apr 16, 2023 |
43Ronin: Keep crying |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Toks2008(m): 3:44am On Apr 16, 2023 |
nwekeugochukwu: This is a very weak argument |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by haywhy80: 6:55am On Apr 16, 2023 |
Jack500: |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by nkpommpko(m): 9:42am On Apr 16, 2023 |
favor914:what a generation. |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by Hisbah(f): 4:54pm On Apr 16, 2023 |
CursedOsuPigs:Lalasticlala Seun Nlfpmod Rule 2 1 Like |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by PoliciaNLand: 4:55pm On Apr 16, 2023 |
CursedOsuPigs:mynd44 lalasticlala Seun Dominique nlfpmod Mukina2 Rule 2 |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by orisa37: 5:50pm On Apr 16, 2023 |
SUPPORTED. |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by UnabashedIPOB: 9:47pm On Apr 16, 2023 |
theredaddy:You are just being clever by quarter, english no hard naa sentiment dey worry una I can't agree more with you that English is NOT hard except if you can't read and comprehend it without sentiment! Below is what Section 134 of your Constitution says: (2) A candidate for an election to the office of President shall be deemed to have been duly elected where there being more than two candidates for the election- (a) he has the highest number of votes cast at the election; and (b) he has not less than one-quarter of the votes cast at the election of each of at least two-thirds of all the States in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja. Do you see the "and" between Section 2 (a) & (b)? Why do you think it's there? If you can honestly answer that, then you have already answered whether a candidate needs to get 25% of VOTES cast in both the 24 States and also in the Federal Capital Territory. Going on your warped logic, that means the "and" between the two subsections should be discarded, therefore, a candidate can be declared a winner by either getting: (a) the highest number of votes cast in an election; OR (b) 25% of votes cast in 24 states and the Federal capital territory BUT not both as indicated by Section 134 of the Constitution. So, the "and" means that both statements MUST be satisfied not just one in order for a winner to be declared! Got it? |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by theredaddy: 11:29pm On Apr 16, 2023 |
UnabashedIPOB: If i could take my time to explain like i am talking nursery school children and you could still not comprehend, you got me all wrong. my logic goes; If FCT was a state in real sense there won't have being need for "and the FCT" in the 1st place, what would have being written in the cobstitutuon is 37states By factual statements Nigeria has 36states, but in reality election took place in more than 36states, living FCT out would have being undemocratic as disenfranchising eligible citizens becos they reside in a territory not considered state enough. Therefore section 299 took it upon itself to ensure FCT vote count just like any other state by enacting, "The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation; and accordingly" Emphasis on "as if" it were one of the states, the interpretation is abuja as being grouped alongside other states which makes our count 37 for the purpose of election only But the work is still not done, in other not to contradict the FACT that Nigeria has 36 states the daftsman decided to use a conjuction to legitimatize FCT into count ... "and" was the most appropriate word. Apparently the motive was just to creat equality so a place or people don't feel left out. Imagine the constitution had assumed 37states directly ... how will we resolve that or you can tell us how the FCT would have being brought in without a conjunction and not contradict 36. gud luck |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by UnabashedIPOB: 1:16am On Apr 17, 2023 |
theredaddy: I am NOT sure if you're a lawyer or just a layman trying to spin the literal interpretation of your Constitution to suit your narrow and biased view. If you're a lawyer, then it's a shame and a disgrace that you can NOT read and interpret your Constitution as it was intended by the framers. Shame on you. That section of your Constitution, Section 299 that you quoted was simply saying that although the Federal Capital Territory is NOT a state with its own Executive Governor, House of Assembly, and State Courts, it shall be treated as a state because all the powers vested in these 3 different arms of state government are inter alia vested in the three arms of the Federal government residing in the Federal Capital Territory. Meaning: In essence, this section of the Constitution is saying that although FCT does NOT have the 3 arms of the State Government (House of Assembly, Governor, and the State Courts), it should be treated like one of the 36 states by the virtue of the 3 arms the Federal Government (Legislative, Executive, and the Judiciary) residing in the Federal Capital Territory. That is simply what Section 299 is saying! Most of you guys are getting hung up on this statement: The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation; and accordingly.... This is the exact wording of Section 299 of your Constitution: Section 299 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation; and accordingly - (a) all the legislative powers, the executive powers and the judicial powers vested in the House of Assembly, the Governor of a State and in the courts of a State shall, respectively, vest in the National Assembly, the President of the Federation and in the courts which by virtue of the foregoing provisions are courts established for the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja; You're trying to wiggle away from the section of your Constitution that deals with the issue at hand. Now to deal with the relevant part of your Constitution that deals with the issue at hand, I refer you to: Section 134 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria (1) A candidate for an election to the office of President shall be deemed to have been duly elected, where, there being only two candidates for the election - (a) he has the majority of votes cast at the election; and (b) he has not less than one-quarter of the votes cast at the election in each of at least two-thirds of all the States in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja. (2) A candidate for an election to the office of President shall be deemed to have been duly elected where there being more than two candidates for the election- (a) he has the highest number of votes cast at the election; and (b) he has not less than one-quarter of the votes cast at the election each of at least two-thirds of all the States in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja. Based on the literal interpretation of the relevant section of your Constitution that deals with the issue, it means that whoever is declared the winner MUST also get 25% of the votes cast in the Federal capital territory. |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by theredaddy: 7:39am On Apr 17, 2023 |
UnabashedIPOB: Even tho i understand LAW as its own term, i don't need to be a lawyer to know what "and" means in whatever term context its being used; and is and in any profession or school of thought. these is english here For every law you find in the constitution there are conditions that warranted it and they are enacted with motives ... so when interpreting the law you have to read into the intentions of the draftsman to get a clear reading of the law. IF FCT was a state among the 36states, and the draftsman still went further to single out FCT then it becomes valid that FCT is a MUST. i ask you a simple question you pretended not to see it, FCT is not among 36states but you want electoral institution to [i]recognise & count [/i]it as tho its part of the states ... in your own english re-draft that section |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by UnabashedIPOB: 1:47pm On Apr 17, 2023 |
theredaddy: |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by UnabashedIPOB: 2:29pm On Apr 17, 2023 |
theredaddy: You're still rambling and putting logic on its head with your warped reasoning. Below is exactly what the relevant section of your Constitution Section 134, says: (2) A candidate for an election to the office of President shall be deemed to have been duly elected where there being more than two candidates for the election- (a) he has the highest number of votes cast at the election; and (b) he has not less than one-quarter of the votes cast at the election of each of at least two-thirds of all the States in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja. Do you see the "and" between Section 2 (a) & 2 (b)? Why do you think it's there? If you can honestly answer that, then you have already answered whether a candidate needs to get 25% of VOTES cast in both the 24 States and also in the[b] Federal Capital Territory.[/b] In case you do NOT understand, the word "AND" is a conjunctive term used to connect two statements that are to be taken jointly. Now, let's follow your argument so that you can see how asinine and illogical you sound. Going on your warped logic, that means the "and" between sections 2(a) and 2(b) above should be ignored and treated as one or the other, therefore, you're in essence saying that a candidate can be declared a winner by fulfilling just one of the requirements. And that's either getting: (a) the highest number of votes cast in an election; OR (b) 25% of votes cast in 24 states and the Federal capital territory BUT not both as indicated by Section 134 of the Constitution. So, the "and" means that both requirements 2(a) and 2(b) MUST be satisfied not just one in order for a winner to be declared! Got it? I hope you spend your time reading, comprehending, and digesting the latter part of my comment to truly make sense of what the relevant section of your Constitution says about the requirements before a candidate is declared a winner. Let me remind you, if it was not the intent of the FRAMERS that FCT be included as part of the requirement as some of you were making counterarguments using Section 299, they would NOT have added FCT at the end. They would have left it at "all the states in the federation." I am a Constitutional Attorney and I spend my time reading and interpreting Statutes and the Constitution albeit NOT Nigerian Laws and Constitution. |
Re: Voters In FCT Are Not Special, I Don't Need 25% There To Win – Tinubu by kellyzaf(m): 9:58am On May 04, 2023 |
rahmontech: Have any of all the previous winners of Nigeria presidential election been declared winner without the FTC 25%? |
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