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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by pafra(m): 4:17pm On Jun 17, 2023
BreconHills:


If subsidy had continued you would have known what suffering is. Thank your stars you have President with some courage

Guy thanks which star? Do you know how much people are suffering now?. Do you know how much business are closed now,? do you know how many people have stop going to work now because of high transport cost.?

Less than 1% of the population are stealing and mismanaged the fuel subside, you think the only solution is to punish 99% of the population?
Do you know how much common garri and other food stufs sell in the market now?

If the three idiots major political parties agreed to remove subside, do we now accept the hunger, suffering and dehumanizing situations as normal?

Why do we always defend this politicians that were the cause of the problems.

NOTE. Very soon fuel will be selling for 700. The exchange rates that is 600 will definitely push the price higher.

Just keep quiet if don't have better idea about this subside.

The politicians will steal from the extra money of subside.
Abeg just keep quiet

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by RussellRutherfo: 4:24pm On Jun 17, 2023
abhosts:
Nigeria is a nation whose citizens can no longer enjoy the privileges of an oil-producing state because most of the Nation's resources have been plundered and mismanaged.


Factos.

They have plundered the whole system and still do since 1960 and keep feeding the poor man subsidy crap and trash.

If all the money we made as a Nation since 1960 was effectively used. We would have been a nation with infrastructure the type of Dubai, etcetera.
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by RussellRutherfo: 4:25pm On Jun 17, 2023
Tayorshd87:


Not true they are not suffering us ..is actually for our own and developmental benefits

The Lamba they tell you poor people while they loot these monies.

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Agbegbaorogboye: 4:27pm On Jun 17, 2023
Buddha3:
What is "non-alcoholic beer" please?
Beer wey no get alcohol 🙄
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Electorate: 4:27pm On Jun 17, 2023
nairalanda1:


If they kept the subsidy...we would have eventually run out of money...and IMF would have refused to borrow us money anymore.

Then true suffering would start.

You people are just too ignorant on this forum, America subsidies her fuel just as many other countries so that her citizens wont pay too much for fuel. I think you all should start by asking yourself what is subsidy?...The reason it isn't working in Nigeria is because of corruption from head to toe which resulted to heavy wasteful spending on subsidy.

As long as corruption still reside in Nigeria wether you remove subsidy or not Nigerians will continue to suffer the consequence of being evil and corrupt...period.

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by RussellRutherfo: 4:28pm On Jun 17, 2023
pafra:


Guy thanks which star? Do you know how much people are suffering now?. Do you know how much business are closed now,? do you know how many people have stop going to work now because of high transport cost.?

Less than 1% of the population are stealing and mismanaged the fuel subside, you think the only solution is to punish 99% of the population?
Do you know how much common garri and other food stufs sell in the market now?

If the three idiots major political parties agreed to remove subside, do we now accept the hunger, suffering and dehumanizing situations as normal?

Why do we always defend this politicians that were the cause of the problems.

NOTE. Very soon fuel will be selling for 700. The exchange rates that is 600 will definitely push the price higher.

Just keep quiet if don't have better idea about this subside.

The politicians will steal from the extra money of subside.
Abeg just keep quiet

Don't mind. The politicians steal these country blind and next cook up lamba like this subsidy thing for Nigerians who are foolish. The poor man pays while they steal and claim no money.

If all the money stolen from the oil sales that this nation has made is used on this nation. We would be greater than places like Dubai.

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Nobody: 4:30pm On Jun 17, 2023
pafra:


Guy thanks which star? Do you know how much people are suffering now?. Do you know how much business are closed now,? do you know how many people have stop going to work now because of high transport cost.?

Less than 1% of the population are stealing and mismanaged the fuel subside, you think the only solution is to punish 99% of the population?
Do you know how much common garri and other food stufs sell in the market now?

If the three idiots major political parties agreed to remove subside, do we now accept the hunger, suffering and dehumanizing situations as normal?

Why do we always defend this politicians that were the cause of the problems.

NOTE. Very soon fuel will be selling for 700. The exchange rates that is 600 will definitely push the price higher.

Just keep quiet if don't have better idea about this subside.

The politicians will steal from the extra money of subside.
Abeg just keep quiet
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Onovo3: 4:31pm On Jun 17, 2023
nairalanda1:



Exactly...that is why we cannot pay for subsides...we are not earning enough from crude oil sales to pay for it, because our population is TOO MANY TIMES higher than all those countries.

But most Nigerians do not see that.

If we wanted to earn enough from oil, prices would have to reach and stay above 130 dollars per barrel.

Very correct. Nigeria has a huge population. By the time the government sells its share of the 1.3 million (Based on Profit Sharing Agreement with the IOC), the money made from the sales of crude oil when divided with the population, the average Nigerian would probably get less than 20 cents (far less than a dollar per day). Nigeria is a very poor country, its crude oil is far less compared to its population.

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Nobody: 4:35pm On Jun 17, 2023
Agbegbaorogboye:

Beer wey no get alcohol 🙄

Abeg no vex, which beer for our Nigerian market no get alcohol?
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Judolisco(m): 4:35pm On Jun 17, 2023
LadyExcellency:
The cost (N500) in Nigeria 🇳🇬 is high.

Nigeria was selling at N195 and Benin Republic domestic fuel sold at CFA508 (N381), so the smuggler took that advantage to exploit Niger’s market, selling below our litre price. - Benin Republic Reports.

The actual price of petrol in Benin Republic is N381
why we come dey suffer because government fail to secure border and stop smuggling? They'll still smuggle and sell at a higher price probably 1k now so we still dey lose

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Agbegbaorogboye: 4:36pm On Jun 17, 2023
Buddha3:


Abeg no vex, which beer for our Nigerian market no get alcohol?
There's one ginger beer like that
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by nairalanda1(m): 4:36pm On Jun 17, 2023
Electorate:


You people are just too ignorant on this forum, America subsidies her fuel just as many other country so that her citizens wont pay too much for fuel. I think you all should start by asking yourself what is subsidy?...The reason it isn't working in Nigeria is because of corruption from head to toe which resulted to heavy wasteful spending on subsidy.

As long as corruption still reside in Nigeria wether you remove subsidy or not Nigerians will continue to suffer the consequence of being evil and corrupt...period.

America does not sibsidise fuel the way.we do

The US subsidises its refineries mostly via tax breaks.

Our own is basically.consumption subsidy.

If the US did what we are.doing they would be spending trillions of dollars on subsides.
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Commandoabdul(m): 4:37pm On Jun 17, 2023
LadyExcellency:
The cost (N500) in Nigeria 🇳🇬 is high.

Nigeria was selling at N195 and Benin Republic domestic fuel sold at CFA508 (N381), so the smuggler took that advantage to exploit Niger’s market, selling below our litre price. - Benin Republic Reports.

The actual price of petrol in Benin Republic is N381
So Nigerians should for the incompetency of the government since she cant curb smuggling

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Nobody: 4:38pm On Jun 17, 2023
Agbegbaorogboye:

There's one ginger beer like that

I for like sabi am o! Cause this article wan use nonsense grammar confuse person.
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Agbegbaorogboye: 4:41pm On Jun 17, 2023
Buddha3:


I for like sabi am o! Cause this article wan use nonsense grammar confuse person.

Lol. I get your point though

I think the ginger beer self is imported
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Judolisco(m): 4:43pm On Jun 17, 2023
nairalanda1:


If they kept the subsidy...we would have eventually run out of money...and IMF would have refused to borrow us money anymore.

Then true suffering would start.
why not build refineries? Is it not foolishness to be refining petroleum products outside d country for more than 40yrs

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Electorate: 4:45pm On Jun 17, 2023
nairalanda1:


America does not sibsidise fuel the way.we do

The US subsidises its refineries mostly via tax breaks.

Our own is basically.consumption subsidy.

If the US did what we are.doing they would be spending trillions of dollars on subsides.

U.S. oil and gas subsidies include provisions ranging from incentives for domestic production, write-offs and deductions tied to foreign production and income, and approved accounting methods that can reduce the stated taxable value of assets.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-budget-target-us-fossil-fuel-subsidies-2023-03-09/

Some of you don't know if the Nigerian government doesn't subsidize Dangote Refinery or subsidize importation of fuel without fixing her refinery fuel hike will still persist.

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by DesChyko: 4:46pm On Jun 17, 2023
Angolans are balling
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Padipadi(m): 4:53pm On Jun 17, 2023
nairalanda1:



We borrow..(note, I am not excusing bad government or defending anyone)...because we rely on oil for most of our earnings, and oil prices are never where they should be for us to earn enough from it.

When oil prices are too low, we have to borrow. (eg during the covid period, where oil fell to below 30 dollars a barrel...which meant we had to borrow. Not the first time it has happened).

That is why every government we have had in Nigeria is not good. What Nigeria needs is to be a manufacturing nation, a productive nation, not a exporter of oil alone. Governments don't know how to fix that.

We also have this bad habit of using oil to pay for everything..including things that should be paid for by taxes.
Ok. Let's assume we are earning more from tax or other items being manufactured. What about the high earnings of politicians that's not commensurable to what other politicians of developed nations are earning.

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Agbegbaorogboye: 4:53pm On Jun 17, 2023
nairalanda1:


If you were selling bread that cost you N1000 to make one loaf at N1200 a loaf, would you agree to government telling you to sell that loaf at N200 to help the poor? While they compensate you with N500, meaning you lose N300?

Be serious.
You have come with this false propaganda again
Which marketer is selling at a loss

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Agbegbaorogboye: 4:58pm On Jun 17, 2023
nairalanda1:


America does not sibsidise fuel the way.we do

The US subsidises its refineries mostly via tax breaks.

Our own is basically.consumption subsidy.

If the US did what we are.doing they would be spending trillions of dollars on subsides.
Are you aware the state of Georgia gave its residents cheques to subsidise fuel costs last year

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by nairalanda1(m): 4:58pm On Jun 17, 2023
Electorate:


U.S. oil and gas subsidies include provisions ranging from incentives for domestic production, write-offs and deductions tied to foreign production and income, and approved accounting methods that can reduce the stated taxable value of assets.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-budget-target-us-fossil-fuel-subsidies-2023-03-09/

Some of you don't know if the Nigerian government doesn't subsidize Dangote Refinery or subsidize importation of fuel without fixing her refinery fuel hike will still persist.

Yeah, and the problem with subsidsing importation of fuel is simple. The cost differential between the subsidised price and the price of transporting and producing fuel always rises...which leads to a rise in the cost of subsidizing fuel

This eventually means we spend more and more of our earnings subsidisng fuel , and at the end of the day, we not only lose money, but we have to borrow to cover the resulting deficit.

At the end of the day, we are borrowing to pay for subsides, AND borrowing to pay for the normal budget.

Also, subsidies discourage local refining...which is why it had to go now that Dangote refinery is ready...because of the potential losses.

You are free to disagree with me, thank you.
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by nairalanda1(m): 4:59pm On Jun 17, 2023
Judolisco:
why not build refineries? Is it not foolishness to be refining petroleum products outside d country for more than 40yrs

Because what we would have used to build refineries was being spent on subsdies, and because subsidised prices was preventing investors from taking the risk of building a refinery.

Dangote was taking a big risk building his refinery.
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by nairalanda1(m): 5:01pm On Jun 17, 2023
Padipadi:

Ok. Let's assume we are earning more from tax or other items being manufactured. What about the high earnings of politicians that's not commensurable to what other politicians of developed nations are earning.

As an example, the National Assembly, according to Oseni of Arise, is to spend 110 billion this year.

Let's assume we have to cut 70 billion of that, and spend it on subsidy.

The subsidy cost for this year alone cost N3trillion naira. At the end, it won't make much of a difference.

I agree we need to cut the big salaries of politicians though. No argument from me there.
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by COMPAQ(m): 5:05pm On Jun 17, 2023
Agbegbaorogboye:

Are you aware the state of Georgia gave its residents cheques to subsidise fuel costs last year

That was probably a one off thing. Besides compare what you pay in taxes to what the average resident of Georgia pays as taxes each year. Make we no only compare the left side of the equation, we should also compare the right side of the equation too.

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Agbegbaorogboye: 5:08pm On Jun 17, 2023
Padipadi:

Ok. Let's assume we are earning more from tax or other items being manufactured. What about the high earnings of politicians that's not commensurable to what other politicians of developed nations are earning.
Nigerian senators earn more than Joe Biden, president of USA. They earn more than US senators.
But see subsidy for the poor masses, mba. That one no good

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by nairalanda1(m): 5:09pm On Jun 17, 2023
Electorate:




Some of you don't know if the Nigerian government doesn't subsidize Dangote Refinery or subsidize importation of fuel without fixing her refinery fuel hike will still persist.

Also, a big problem I have with you Nigerians is that you guys think that everything is too expensive, and that prices must be beaten down.

Having worked in the private sector for most of my working life...and having had my salaries and at one point my job security threatened by people not paying my employer on time because 'it is too expensive'....

Plus, at the end, we are , for the first time since 1973, learning how much fuel really costs. And it is a shock, but eventually, economics would do its thing. Of course, prices won't return to the low levels it used to be, but it would fall nonetheless.

Remember GSM? So expensive in the begining, then competition brought prices down.

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Menclothing: 5:09pm On Jun 17, 2023
Nigeria is copying India
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Judolisco(m): 5:09pm On Jun 17, 2023
nairalanda1:


Because what we would have used to build refineries was being spent on subsdies, and because subsidised prices was preventing investors from taking the risk of building a refinery.

Dangote was taking a big risk building his refinery.
No it's jst laziness on our path...that's why d agricultural sector died, also the Nigerian paper mill in jebba, that's why d ajaokuta steel mill is yet to produce a single sheet... We don't want to produce anything again since when we found petroleum... U knw Crude oil is free from mother nature.... We don't have any reason on why we ain't refining here in Nigeria... No reason whatsoever... We are jst plain greedy and foolish

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Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by BreconHills(m): 5:10pm On Jun 17, 2023
pafra:


Guy thanks which star? Do you know how much people are suffering now?. Do you know how much business are closed now,? do you know how many people have stop going to work now because of high transport cost.?

Less than 1% of the population are stealing and mismanaged the fuel subside, you think the only solution is to punish 99% of the population?
Do you know how much common garri and other food stufs sell in the market now?

If the three idiots major political parties agreed to remove subside, do we now accept the hunger, suffering and dehumanizing situations as normal?

Why do we always defend this politicians that were the cause of the problems.

NOTE. Very soon fuel will be selling for 700. The exchange rates that is 600 will definitely push the price higher.

Just keep quiet if don't have better idea about this subside.

The politicians will steal from the extra money of subside.
Abeg just keep quiet

It sounds like you are having challenges coming to terms with who the President is. In which case any discussion economic or otherwise with you is wasted since its emotional for you.

My wife's primary school employs 45 plus staff so you can bet I understand what is going on. I also know what we and our competitors are doing. If you've run your business and stacked your reserves this is time to spend it. If you are under capitalised this is time to do it. If you can't survive this is time to merge or sell out. If you know any schools wishing to sell out on the mainland let me know.
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by Agbegbaorogboye: 5:12pm On Jun 17, 2023
COMPAQ:


That was probably a one off thing. Besides compare what you pay in taxes to what the average resident of Georgia pays as taxes each year. Make we no only compare the left side of the equation, we should also compare the right side of the equation too.
It was a one of thing when cost of fuel rose beyond affordable costs. They didn't leave their citizens at the mercy of the "market".
Yeah. Also compare minimum wage in Georgia with minium wage in Nigeria. Also investigate whether residents of Georgia pump their own water, pay for their own security, fix their roads, generate their own lights and lastly use broken health system which makes them susceptible to die by 55 years on the average.
You're right. We shouldn't compare only one side of the equation.
Re: Fuel Subsidy Removal: Cost Of Living, Petrol Rates In Oil Producing Countries by nairalanda1(m): 5:13pm On Jun 17, 2023
Judolisco:
No it's jst laziness on our path...that's why d agricultural sector died, also the Nigerian paper mill in jebba, that's why d ajaokuta steel mill is yet to produce a single sheet... We don't want to produce anything again since when we found petroleum... U knw Crude oil is free from mother nature

It's not laziness (though the reasons why paper manufacturing in Nigeria failed is a long story..and it has more to do with globalization comming in from the 1990's onward, which meant that imports suddenly flodded the Nigerian market...eg at the start of 1990, most of the books I used in school were made in Nigeria..exercise books, by 1996, imported stuff from Indonesia...Paperline was coming in, and it was better, Nigeria could not compete) it is because in 1973, we decided that fuel had to be sold at a cheap price, which meant that prices for fuel got too too cheap for the refineries over time to function well.

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