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How Democratic Is ACN? by SouthEast1: 6:42pm On Oct 04, 2011
Council poll: Protest rocks Lagos over ‘imposition of candidates’
On September 27, 2011 · In News

By OLASUNKANMI AKONI & IFEANYI OKOLIE
IKEJA—Ahead of the October 22 local government election in Lagos State,  hundreds of aggrieved members of the Action Congress of Nigeria, ACN, yesterday,  stormed the party secretariat in Ogba, Lagos State House of Assembly, Alausa, and took to the major streets in Isolo Local Government Area to protest alleged imposition of candidates.

The state party had, Monday, released the names of candidates to be fielded in the council polls in the 20 local government areas and 37 local council development areas.

The protesters, who accused state party chairman, Chief Henry Ajomale, of not following due process, called on the party’s National Leader, Senator Bola Tinubu, Governor Babatunde Fashola and members of the state assembly to intervene immediately. failing which they would disrupt the polls.

Also, major streets in Isolo LCDA   witnessed massive protest as aggrieved residents, traditional chiefs and politicians stormed the Osolo of Isolo palace to register their grievances.

Market women and men, including traditional cult, popularly known as “Osugbo” trooped to the streets to invoke evil spirits at a junction called “Orita Esu” (devil’s junction) in Isolo with various placards to show their grievances against the imposition of one Shamsudeen Olaleye, against the popular choice of Mojeed Adam as the party’s candidate for the coming council poll.

The protesters, who walked from Isolo Bus- Stop to the palace of Osolo of Isolo, Oba Kabiru Agbabiaka, said the party did not hold primaries but arbitrarily chose Olaleye, the incumbent chairman, as the candidate for the forthcoming election.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/09/council-poll-protest-rocks-lagos-over-%e2%80%98imposition-of-candidates%e2%80%99/
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by SouthEast1: 6:45pm On Oct 04, 2011
Moderators, please leave the title of this thread as is. It is meant to invoke ACN adherents to answer the question if they can.

How different is ACN from PDP, considering that the above article is not the first, second or third time this is hapenning? Even Tinubu's wife was an imposition.
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by dayokanu(m): 6:49pm On Oct 04, 2011
Why ACN imposes candidates – Akande
News Jan 20, 2011

By GBENGA OLARINOYE

OSHOGBO— NATIONAL Chairman of the Action Congress of Nigeria, ACN, Chief Bisi Akande, has justified the imposition of candidates by party elders saying it was the culture of the party that the leadership knew best.

Akande who spoke in an interview with newsmen also defended the choice of erstwhile Chairman of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, EFCC as the party’s presidential candidate. He said that with the choice of Ribadu, the party has commenced the process of turning over leadership to the youths.

[b]The ACN chairman who spoke to newsmen as part of events marking his birthday noted: “The British democracy is the oldest in the world and you cannot see political parties there conducting primary elections before choosing their candidates. They do it by picking competent hands that are trustworthy in the judgment of the party. So, we believe that elections under a democratic setting is when we are contesting with other political party during polls.

“If election within our party is what you are trying to describe as internal democracy, then we reject such idea. Can we impose when we are contesting against PDP?[/
b]
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/01/why-acn-imposes-candidates-akande/

The ACN has stated categorically that they dont do internal democracy.

Anyone that wants internal democracy should check another party.

Moslem dont eat pork, ANyone who wants to eat Pork can check anywhere but a Moslem restaurant

SIMPLE SHIKENA!!!!
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by seanet02: 6:53pm On Oct 04, 2011
Ibo people with their stupi/dity sah
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by SouthEast1: 6:56pm On Oct 04, 2011
Why ACN imposes candidates – Akande
News Jan 20, 2011

By GBENGA OLARINOYE

OSHOGBO— NATIONAL Chairman of the Action Congress of Nigeria, ACN, Chief Bisi Akande, has justified the imposition of candidates by party elders saying it was the culture of the party that the leadership knew best.

Akande who spoke in an interview with newsmen also defended the choice of erstwhile Chairman of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, EFCC as the party’s presidential candidate. He said that with the choice of Ribadu, the party has commenced the process of turning over leadership to the youths.

The ACN chairman who spoke to newsmen as part of events marking his birthday  noted: “The British democracy is the oldest in the world and you cannot see political parties there conducting primary elections before choosing their candidates. They do it by picking competent hands that are trustworthy in the judgment of the party. So, we believe that elections under a democratic setting is when we are contesting with other political party during polls.

“If election within our party is what you are trying to describe as internal democracy, then we reject such idea. Can we impose when we are contesting against PDP?

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/01/why-acn-imposes-candidates-akande/

dayokanu:

The ACN has stated categorically that they dont do internal democracy.

Anyone that wants internal democracy should check another party.

Moslem dont eat pork, ANyone who wants to eat Pork can check anywhere but a Moslem restaurant

SIMPLE SHIKENA!!!!

They do not do internal democracy?? If you cannot practice what you preach, why preach it to others? What again is the definition of democracy? Why not practice gerontocracy considering that all ACN leaders are old?
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by SouthEast1: 6:59pm On Oct 04, 2011
They say they are looking for competent hands:

How competent was Tinubu's wife when she was imposed? And since being imposed, what competence has she shown. Should competence not have a history? These ACN guys and their tricks.
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by seanet02: 7:00pm On Oct 04, 2011
South-East:

They say they are looking for competent hands:

How competent was Tinubu's wife when she was imposed? And since being imposed, what competence has she shown. Should competence not have a history? These ACN guys and their tricks.
The same way we Impose Fashola. Go and Form your own APGA, See how ACN thrashed akunyili on APGA Platform?
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by dayokanu(m): 7:02pm On Oct 04, 2011
The best governor in Nigeria for the past decade Babatunde Raaji Fashola was imposed.

All the governors of the SW were imposed.

If you dont get it, We love IMPOSITION, rather than products of internal demoncrazy like Uduaghan, Theodore Orji and Alao-Akala
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by hannie: 8:11pm On Oct 04, 2011
@Dayo

u get time to dey answer these misogynists that would rather want to see Yorubaland under siege of fire and brimstone . . .

as bad as imposition is, going to primaries where wielding of cudgels, knives and guns just because of elective posts was the order of the day is no longer acceptable practice to PROGRESSIVE YORUBAS . . .anyone that is not happy can switch nationality/allegiance/tribe OR EVEN FORM HIS OWN PERSONAL POLITICAL PARTY  grin
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by Beaf: 8:19pm On Oct 04, 2011
. . .Not very democratic, not intellectual and definitely, not civilised. embarassed

hundreds of aggrieved members of the Action Congress of Nigeria, [size=14pt]ACN[/size], yesterday,  stormed the party secretariat in Ogba, Lagos State House of Assembly, Alausa, and took to the major streets in Isolo Local Government Area to protest alleged imposition of candidates.

. . .

Market women and men, including traditional cult, popularly known as “Osugbo” trooped to the streets [size=14pt]to invoke evil spirits at a junction called “Orita Esu” (devil’s junction) in Isolo[/size] with various placards to show their grievances against the imposition of one Shamsudeen Olaleye, against the popular choice of Mojeed Adam as the party’s candidate for the coming council poll.

The protesters, who walked from Isolo Bus- Stop to the palace of Osolo of Isolo, Oba Kabiru Agbabiaka, said the party did not hold primaries but arbitrarily chose Olaleye, the incumbent chairman, as the candidate for the forthcoming election.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/09/council-poll-protest-rocks-lagos-over-%e2%80%98imposition-of-candidates%e2%80%99/
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by SouthEast1: 8:21pm On Oct 04, 2011
hannie:

@Dayo

u get time to dey answer these misogynists that would rather want to see Yorubaland under siege of fire and brimstone . . .

as bad as imposition is, going to primaries where wielding of cudgels, knives and guns just because of elective posts was the order of the day is no longer acceptable practice to PROGRESSIVE YORUBAS . . .anyone that is not happy can switch nationality/allegiance/tribe OR EVEN FORM HIS OWN PERSONAL POLITICAL PARTY  grin

Clap for yourself. With folks like you around, Hitler must be a saint
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by hercules07: 8:24pm On Oct 04, 2011
@South East

I will ask for my 100 dollars oooooooooooooo, ACN as a party does not do internal democracy, they impose, the reasons are simple if they do primaries, enough PDP people can defect to overwhelm the founding fathers, they are just being careful; and as long as they continue to throw up good leaders, the SW peeps will not be too concerned.
PDP with its internal democracy is far worse than the ACN.
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by SouthEast1: 8:29pm On Oct 04, 2011
hercules07:

@South East

I will ask for my 100 dollars oooooooooooooo, ACN as a party does not do internal democracy, they impose, the reasons are simple if they do primaries, enough PDP people can defect to overwhelm the founding fathers, they are just being careful;  and as long as they continue to throw up good leaders, the SW peeps will not be too concerned.
PDP with its internal democracy is far worse than the ACN.

You mean good people like the Lagos Speaker Ikuforiji? Abi? You will agree with me that Fasola was a child of [b]serendipity [/b]and not an ACN magic. Otherwise show me another good ACN leader. It's been 100 days now since they took office. What has Amosun and the rest of the new ACN goons achieved? Chime of Enugu is achieving but he is not ACN. When Ngige achieved in Anambra, he was not of ACN. If ACN is not democratic on its own, I see no reason why they cry foul when PDP plays such games too.
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by dayokanu(m): 8:32pm On Oct 04, 2011
When does ACN bother themselves if PDP has internal demoncrazy or not?

What would kill PDP is within PDP, As long as they continue to produce rassclats like Orji, Uduaghan and Alao-Akala
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by Beaf: 8:33pm On Oct 04, 2011
South-East:

You mean good people like the Lagos Speaker Ikuforiji? Abi? You will agree with me that Fasola was a child of [b]serendipity [/b]and not an ACN magic. Otherwise show me another good ACN leader. It's been 100 days now since they took office. What has Amosun and the rest of the new ACN goons achieved? Chime of Enugu is achieving but he is not ACN. When Ngige achieved in Anambra, he was not of ACN. If ACN is not democratic on its own, I see no reason why they cry foul when PDP plays such games too.

Ikuforiji?! grin

www.nairaland.com/attachments/518316_IkuforijiNinjaThief_jpgd221a96311b1a89c01821b803d551a9c
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by hercules07: 8:36pm On Oct 04, 2011
Adams Oshiomole is also performing, infact, the only ACN governor I am not too sure of is my governor in Oyo state (hopefully he performs), ACN does not take on PDP on how it chooses its candidate, normally ACN responds to unguarded statements by the PDP (ruling forever, do or die affair etc). I fail to see how a SEasterner will ever defend the PDP (Abia, Ebonyi, Anambra Saga), only Chime has come from a party that controls a good number of states. Fashola was Tinubu's magic, if you are not aware Tinubu imposed Fashola on the ACN, he challenged them to do the primaries as many times as they wanted, Fashola will still emerge.
South-East, it has been over a year that Jonathan took over, what has he achieved (he has over 50% of Nigeria's money under his control).
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by SouthEast1: 8:53pm On Oct 04, 2011
hercules07:

Adams Oshiomole is also performing, infact, the only ACN governor I am not too sure of is my governor in Oyo state (hopefully he performs), ACN does not take on PDP on how it chooses its candidate, normally ACN responds to unguarded statements by the PDP (ruling forever, do or die affair etc). I fail to see how a SEasterner will ever defend the PDP (Abia, Ebonyi, Anambra Saga), only Chime has come from a party that controls a good number of states. Fashola was Tinubu's magic, if you are not aware Tinubu imposed Fashola on the ACN, he challenged them to do the primaries as many times as they wanted, Fashola will still emerge.
South-East, it has been over a year that Jonathan took over, what has he achieved (he has over 50% of Nigeria's money under his control).

I do not get it. Are you saying that you cannot get competent hands while following basic democratic tenets such as allowing the people make the choice of who leads them-- the USA which we copy and where Dayo Kanu lives in, does it. So now who is to blame for what Ikuforiji turned out to be? Assuming ACN becomes the leading party (God Forbid), they will similarly impose the president of Nigeria on the people, yes?

Do you mind telling me what the Osun and Ogun state Govs have achieved? I mean concrete achievements and not to-do list we see flying all over cyberspace. Note I am not a supporter of PDP or of any party, I support individuals. In fact, I wish, like the USA, to have an independent political group in which the ruling party and the opposition will always need to fall back on to get their decisive votes.
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by SouthEast1: 8:57pm On Oct 04, 2011
In addition to^^^^^
Note that the Govs of Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Cross Rivers, Enugu, and even Ebonyi are performing. They are all PDP.
Sule Lamido of Jigawa is also performing. Simply tells you PDP is not the issue but the individual.
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by hercules07: 9:05pm On Oct 04, 2011
First of all remove Ebonyi from the list of performing governors, that one is a big lie, Akwa Ibom governor is just a noise maker, the guy is just spending money without a co-ordinated plan, the guy who performed was Victor Attah (Greed killed him sha), Liyel Imoke is just a cheap thief, we know what he did as power minister, Sule Lamido ko, Sule Lamidi ni, the only other person that did anything of note was the former Gombe governor, at least I saw what he did with my two eyes.
The ACN is filled with competent people, the leaders in their wisdom have decided on selection rather than election, the SW people are okay with that selection, if other parties can get better candidates let them bring it out, we are okay with it, SW people do not concern themselves with how other parties choose their candidates, as long as the guys do well, then no wahala, if Ikuforiji is found to have stolen, he should be sent to jail and someone put in his place, I am not one to defend a convicted thief.
The fact that there is peace in the state and people's will prevailed is a great relief to the people of Osun state, Ogun state, I have not followed closely so I have no comments on him, but, his plans seem good, lets wait and see.
Can SE also compare revenue between Cross River governor and either Osun or Ogun state?
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by SouthEast1: 9:11pm On Oct 04, 2011
hercules07:

First of all remove Ebonyi from the list of performing governors, that one is a big lie, Akwa Ibom governor is just a noise maker, the guy is just spending money without a co-ordinated plan, the guy who performed was Victor Attah (Greed killed him sha), Liyel Imoke is just a cheap thief, we know what he did as power minister, Sule Lamido ko, Sule Lamidi ni, the only other person that did anything of note was the former Gombe governor, at least I saw what he did with my two eyes.
The ACN is filled with competent people, the leaders in their wisdom have decided on selection rather than election, the SW people are okay with that selection, if other parties can get better candidates let them bring it out, we are okay with it, SW people do not concern themselves with how other parties choose their candidates, as long as the guys do well, then no wahala, if Ikuforiji is found to have stolen, he should be sent to jail and someone put in his place, I am not one to defend a convicted thief.
The fact that there is peace in the state and people's will prevailed is a great relief to the people of Osun state, Ogun state, I have not followed closely so I have no comments on him, but, his plans seem good, lets wait and see.
Can SE also compare revenue between Cross River governor and either Osun or Ogun state?

I see how you attempt to rubbish the PDP governors. How did all of those Govs not perform? Care to share with us? I know anybody can say anything, likewise I can also say Fasola is a big noise marker using the Lagos press to extol himself. We have seen how corrupt he is giving state money to Tinubu. The revenue difference between Cross River (CR) and Ogun is to Ogun's favor. CR is no more an oil-producing state, remember? So the achievement in Osun is peace. Can you also say the peace in Akwa Ibom, Cross River and Ebonyi are achievements?
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by hercules07: 9:20pm On Oct 04, 2011
Peace in Akwa Ibom? When the governor is the commander in chief of kidnappers, ol boy, I know Akwa Ibom like mad, just try and go against Akpabio, your wife or sisters will be kidnapped instata. Fashola's efforts speak for him. If you want Aregbe's achievements, just look for a thread where people have replied Beaf on Osun state (employment generation for one), let us not talk about Ebonyi, hope you remember the communal clash in that state that killed so many people (the press just did not report it fully). As per peace in Cross River, the place has always been peaceful so it is not a new thing, just mention one thing Imoke has done, I gave props to Gombe that is a PDP state, but, all those you mentioned have not done anything jare.
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by Beaf: 9:21pm On Oct 04, 2011
hercules07:

First of all remove Ebonyi from the list of performing governors, that one is a big lie, Akwa Ibom governor is just a noise maker, the guy is just spending money without a co-ordinated plan, the guy who performed was Victor Attah (Greed killed him sha), Liyel Imoke is just a cheap thief, we know what he did as power minister, Sule Lamido ko, Sule Lamidi ni, the only other person that did anything of note was the former Gombe governor, at least I saw what he did with my two eyes.
The ACN is filled with competent people, the leaders in their wisdom have decided on selection rather than election, the SW people are okay with that selection, if other parties can get better candidates let them bring it out, we are okay with it, SW people do not concern themselves with how other parties choose their candidates, as long as the guys do well, then no wahala, if Ikuforiji is found to have stolen, he should be sent to jail and someone put in his place, I am not one to defend a convicted thief.
The fact that there is peace in the state and people's will prevailed is a great relief to the people of Osun state, Ogun state, I have not followed closely so I have no comments on him, but, his plans seem good, lets wait and see.
Can SE also compare revenue between Cross River governor and either Osun or Ogun state?

Peace?! Comedy!
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by hercules07: 9:24pm On Oct 04, 2011
Beaf me I no dey talk to you o, as per peace, ask the people of Jos and Maiduguri what they desire now.
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by SouthEast1: 11:27pm On Oct 04, 2011
hercules07:

Peace in Akwa Ibom? When the governor is the commander in chief of kidnappers, ol boy, I know Akwa Ibom like mad, just try and go against Akpabio, your wife or sisters will be kidnapped instata. Fashola's efforts speak for him. If you want Aregbe's achievements, just look for a thread where people have replied Beaf on Osun state (employment generation for one), let us not talk about Ebonyi, hope you remember the communal clash in that state that killed so many people (the press just did not report it fully). As per peace in Cross River, the place has always been peaceful so it is not a new thing, just mention one thing Imoke has done, I gave props to Gombe that is a PDP state, but, all those you mentioned have not done anything jare.

How much peace is in Osun?

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/04/i5-injured-in-acn-pdp-clash-in-osun/

http://www.gbooza.com/group/nigeriapolitics/forum/topics/pdp-acn-supporters-clash-in#axzz1Zr2o9HDR
http://nigeriavillagesquare.com/forum/lounge/49291-kidnapping-spreads-osun-state.html
http://allafrica.com/stories/201109070342.html

Can anyone talk ill about Aregbesola and even Tinubu (not on cyberspace) and go free?
Re: How Democratic Is ACN? by Beaf: 11:39pm On Oct 04, 2011
hercules07:

Peace in Akwa Ibom? When the governor is the commander in chief of kidnappers, ol boy, I know Akwa Ibom like mad, just try and go against Akpabio, your wife or sisters will be kidnapped instata. Fashola's efforts speak for him. If you want Aregbe's achievements, just look for a thread where people have replied Beaf on Osun state (employment generation for one), let us not talk about Ebonyi, hope you remember the communal clash in that state that killed so many people (the press just did not report it fully). As per peace in Cross River, the place has always been peaceful so it is not a new thing, just mention one thing Imoke has done, I gave props to Gombe that is a PDP state, but, all those you mentioned have not done anything jare.

I must have missed their replies, or perhaps they were made in outer space.
Nobody has ever explained any of Aregbesola's crazy shenanigans. I would be very grateful if you would take up the challenge. LOLZ!

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