Sand2022:


I said go to the community of PIMOS in reddit and hear them speak. All you said above is not the reason they are still in. They are trapped. That's why they rather leak sensitive information about JW to the public. There inside attack has cost the organization millions of dollars as they bring to the public what is not intended for the public. Go and hear for yourself. Many of them are atheists, they care less about religion, but they carry bag and preach. If they see any injustice, they cry out in a coded way undetected. Why don't they just leave? Because of the shunning policy. They can't handle being shunned by friends and families. So they pretend as if they are with you guys, and destroy you within. That's what bad leadership method have cost you. I will one day write a post about shunning. You will see where you guys got it wrong in your interpretation.

Had his brains not been filled with madness and insanities peddling, he would have recall from experience that when a rat is trapped, every means to get free will sort out and adopted by the rat even destroying the enclosure as well. He cannot wrap his lying and manipulated brains around that. The rat remain not because it has no option. It remained because it has not seen effective way out of the trap yet.

Sand2022:

With regards to who will be saved, no one can say that for sure.

So you're not even sure if JWs are right or wrong?

Ọmọ why all these wahala if you can't say for sure?

MaxInDHouse:


So you're not even sure if JWs are right or wrong?

Ọmọ why all these wahala if you can't say for sure?

Being theologically right or wrong is different from who will be saved. Many if their theology is wrong. But who will be saved has been left in the hand of Jesus. Salvation is a broad subject. There are many scriptures to review on that, but even after that, I lawyer can quote this or that section of the constitution, but the judge has the final say.

Are there scriptures that can be used to prove that Jehovah's witnesses won't be saved? Yes. But can the great judge disagree? Yes. How is that possible? God is love. He is also merciful, he is slow to anger, he wants all to be saved etc. These factor may affect the way he will judge anyone. No one should be dogmatic on that subject. That's the point.

MaxInDHouse:


So you're not even sure if JWs are right or wrong?

Ọmọ why all these wahala if you can't say for sure?

We know your GODS of men housed in USA cannot guarantee your salvation paapaa not to talk of their own. Loool!

Sand2022:


Being theologically right or wrong is different from who will be saved. Many if their theology is wrong. But who will be saved has been left in the hand of Jesus. Salvation is a broad subject. There are many scriptures to review on that, but even after that, I lawyer can quote this or that section of the constitution, but the judge has the final say.

Are there scriptures that can be used to prove that Jehovah's witnesses won't be saved? Yes. But can the great judge disagree? Yes. How is that possible? God is love. He is also merciful, he is slow to anger, he wants all to be saved etc. These factor may affect the way he will judge anyone. No one should be dogmatic on that subject. That's the point.

point well placed

Sand2022:

Being theologically right or wrong is different from who will be saved. Many if their theology is wrong. But who will be saved has been left in the hand of Jesus. Salvation is a broad subject. There are many scriptures to review on that, but even after that, I lawyer can quote this or that section of the constitution, but the judge has the final say. Are there scriptures that can be used to prove that Jehovah's witnesses won't be saved? Yes. But can the great judge disagree? Yes. How is that possible? God is love. He is also merciful, he is slow to anger, he wants all to be saved etc. These factor may affect the way he will judge anyone. No one should be dogmatic on that subject. That's the point.

Guy we're both saying the same thing now so from your own point of view JW's teachings doesn't stop sincere ones among them from having salvation but from the fact i have you (not those who never met JWs before) can't see God's kingdom if you fail to become one of JWs now!

I know you won't like this but that's the bitter truth.


Jesus explained that those who reject the message of his disciples are doomed {Matthew 10:14-15} and today over 41,000 different religions are claiming Christians with contracting teachings and conflicting doctrines so one may conclude that due to all these confusion God may not judge based on the things we read in the scriptures but then Jesus commanded his own disciples to have LOVE among themselves just as he had for them {John 15:12} he also commanded them to LOVE their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} and to LOVE and pray for those who are looking for ways to hurt them! Luke 6:27-28
He taught them that if what they're practicing is according to his teachings all of them will treat one another like one family {Mark 10:29-30} which is in harmony with what God's servants prophesied before Jesus {Isaiah 2:2-4 & Micah 4:1-3} the one and only person whose wise counsel will make this possible in midst of imperfect humans of different races is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} that's why Jesus could confidently proclaim any group of people or organization that fulfilled this task as living WITNESSES of his earthly mission! Act 1:8

So whoever has SEEN any group of people SUCCESSFULLY doing this thing but chose to always speak against them is no longer speaking against those imperfect humans but against the SPIRIT mobilizing them to do the will of God. Matthew 12:31-32

The only thing that could save you now is if you can present a better performing group with regards to the doing of God's will failure to do so means you're an enemy of the Prince whose subjects are working out peace globally among men of goodwill so extermination is waiting for you! Luke 19:27

MaxInDHouse:


Guy we're both saying the same thing now so from your own point of view JW's teachings doesn't stop sincere ones among them from having salvation but from the fact i have you (not those who never met JWs before) can't see God's kingdom if you fail to become one of JWs now!

I know you won't like this but that's the bitter truth.


Jesus explained that those who reject the message of his disciples are doomed {Matthew 10:14-15} and today over 41,000 different religions are claiming Christians with contracting teachings and conflicting doctrines so one may conclude that due to all these confusion God may not judge based on the things we read in the scriptures but then Jesus commanded his own disciples to have LOVE among themselves just as he had for them {John 15:12} he also commanded them to LOVE their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} and to LOVE and pray for those who are looking for ways to hurt them! Luke 6:27-28
He taught them that if what they're practicing is according to his teachings all of them will treat one another like one family {Mark 10:29-30} which is in harmony with what God's servants prophesied before Jesus {Isaiah 2:2-4 & Micah 4:1-3} the one and only person whose wise counsel will make this possible in midst of imperfect humans of different races is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} that's why Jesus could confidently proclaim any group of people or organization that fulfilled this task as living WITNESSES of his earthly mission! Act 1:8

So whoever has SEEN any group of people SUCCESSFULLY doing this thing but chose to always speak against them is no longer speaking against those imperfect humans but against the SPIRIT mobilizing them to do the will of God. Matthew 12:31-32

The only thing that could save you now is if you can present a better performing group with regards to the doing of God's will failure to do so means you're an enemy of the Prince whose subjects are working out peace globally among men of goodwill so extermination is waiting for you! Luke 19:27

I will remind you all these things you said by January 2024.

He that humble himself will be exalted, but he that exalt himself will be humiliated. The pride you guys put on even with low bible understanding is much. Maybe God has kept you people in a constant back and forth scriptural merry go round because of this pride. Such that you ll keep learning but never coming to the accurate knowledge of the truth. Jesus has been assigned by God to be the judge, no one else. Why not stop being presumptuous and let Jesus do that? Why say one must come to you to be saved? Are you Jesus?

Let me ask you Mr savior:

- On what basis will those righteous ones who lived from 2nd century to the 18th century be saved to even live in heaven as your doctrine posit? And none of them ever preached against hell fire till death.

- on what basis will Russel enter heaven even as he served the false god of Giza, celebrated what you called pagan Christmas, and had the title Pastor, and he held that till death?

- On what basis will Rutherford enter heaven when he called belief in superior authority to refer to government as false teachings, stopped the elder arrangement, called himself faithful slave and he kept that belief until death?

God is not searching for a better performing group. Faith in His son makes you part of God's house. Divergent opinions is human, God knows that truth in all these divergent opinions. What God is watching is not your divergent opinion, but your heart condition. He knows one who has a different opinion, and knows if that one can change if God corrects him or her. If God sees that you can change that view deep within if He confronts you with your error, He will save you. JWs keep making that mistake. You can't get all the truth unless God tells you. God knows that. See the example of Job.

Both Job and his companions were all theologically wrong in one way or another. We could even say that Elihu was the only one without error, we can surmise that since God didn't rebuke him. But who was God's number one righteous man among all? Job. Why? Because he knows all the truth? No. The famous "God gives and God takes" came from Job. In fact God rebuked Job with many questions since he challenged God. But what was the difference? When God corrected Job, He accepted and repented in dust and ashes. That is what God is looking out for not doctrinal correctness Mr savior. If God sees that your doctrinal position was not out of hatred for Him, and that if He just rebuke you you will repent, to God you're still His child.

In the religion Jesus worshiped, Judaism, there were divergent opinions. There were saducees, pharisees, John and his disciples, Jesus and his disciples. All of them didn't have one teaching. John's disciples fasted, Jesus disciples didn't fast. John disciples had a prayer taught them by John. Jesus disciples had theirs. Among Pharisees and Sadducees are different Rabbi with their individual students or disciples. There were herodians, Free People, Zillots etc all in one true religion, Judaism. Even with the divergent opinion, they all worshipped Jehovah together. But outside, they have different opinion on some matters.

During the time of apostles, divergent opinion didn't fly away. Remember when Paul returned to Jerusalem and complain came that he was teaching apostasy from Moses? That was the issue of circumcision. The elders advised him to go and fulfill a vow in the temple. What those that teach us?

First, that while Paul was teaching against observing the law of Moses and saying that the law was out of the way, the elders in Jerusalem were following the mosaic law and it's practices. That perhaps is one of the reasons Paul wrote the letter to the hebrews. He used that book to teach them, both the elders and members of the congregation in Jerusalem why the law is out of the way.

Even among the elders in Jerusalem are those called "supporters of circumcision".

But inspite of these, both Paul and the brothers in Jerusalem were still christians. God knows within these divergent opinions, ones who are sincere for Him.

If you search for God's people by looking for group that perfectly love themselves, no quarrel, no disunity whatsoever, you are deceiving yourself. The so called division can happen in a group being used by God. In fact aweful thjngs can happen in God's house, yet God is still using them. It's time JW stop using this tactics. They use these to poison the mind of their members to hate the body of Christ in Christendom.

Don't you read your bible? Apart from the example I gave above, didn't you see that Israelites, although convenanted to do God's will, love themselves and their neighbours. What did we see? Didn't they often worship false gods, committed immorality, even fought among themselves? At one time, the whole Israel fought Benjamin. At another, Jephthah and his Gibeah people fought Ephraimites, at another David fought Israel who had gone with Absalom, Israel did fight also with Judah when the two tribes divided. What now? God is no longer using them? Nonsense.

If you focus your attention on the errors in in the body of Christ or supposed division, you will reach the wrong conclusion. God doesn't want division. Yes, but He deals with imperfect humans whom He knows will manifest imperfect tendencies. God is not a man to easily and quickly abandon His body because he sees these. No. Don't let JWs leadership poison your mind with this lie. This was exactly what the Essenes in quonram did. They separated from Jerusalem worship because they saw that the priest and pharisees were corrupt. Truly, these persons were corrupt, there were divergent opinion back then, but God have not left Judaism. He was there for those who worshiped him wholesouled even in erronic teachings. Eg, Simeon, Anna, John the Baptist, Mary, Joseph. All these were still following the divergent teachings of these Pharisees and Sadducees. Even John the Baptist inquired if there anither Messiah coming. That could be because of what he was taught. Yet he pleased God.

If you keep looking for that perfect group with no differences of opinion within it, you will be misled. When God shifted his attention to Christianity, he poured out his spirit as evidence. The same is true today. That outpouring of spirit with miracles is the divine sign of approval, not merely correct understanding. Not that correct understanding is wrong, but God knows you can't get it all unless he supernaturally tells you.

Don't think that God will keep shifting group He uses because of divergent opinion. No.

Sand2022:

On what basis will those righteous ones who lived from 2nd century to the 18th century be saved to even live in heaven as your doctrine posit? And none of them ever preached against hell fire till death.

- on what basis will Russel enter heaven even as he served the false god of Giza, celebrated what you called pagan Christmas, and had the title Pastor, and he held that till death?

- On what basis will Rutherford enter heaven when he called belief in superior authority to refer to government as false teachings, stopped the elder arrangement, called himself faithful slave and he kept that belief until death?

Christians are SOLDIERS under the command of Christ Jesus and as soldiers we must obey the last order. People who don't know what we have but lived by conscience as men of integrity will be resurrected based on conscience that's why God gave such ones a merit for keeping their integrity even though they don't know the righteousness of God {Romans 2:14-15} but once you have met those practicing what is beneficial and you stubbornly stick to your conscience that's the time your personal opinion becomes a problem for you why? That means you just want to do what pleases you not what you know is best {Isaiah 64:6} you're to give God your best {Matthew 22:37} meaning what you know is up to date not presenting what you're not fully convinced as the best.

I was a Muslim from birth but after seeing that my religion is not up to date on righteousness of God i began seeking for what is best that's how i met the JWs so i joined them in order to give God my best as one who love him. If you stick to your religion and say members from a religion (that your own people despises so much) are OK then you're deceiving yourself, what exactly makes the enmity between these religions and JWs so intense? Do you really care to know? Genesis 3:15 compare to Luke 16:26
it's the best you're to give God as one who love him.

Jesus puts it this way:

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.Mark 12:30

So my friend if you're 100% certain of your beliefs work with all your heart {Revelations 22:11-12} whatever you can do for your God now do it with all your strength! Ecclesiastes 9:10

As for me i'm 100% certain that no human can cross into God's Kingdom now if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses or seriously studying with them to become one of them the only way angels are writing names according to God's word is those studying the Bible together one on the just as JWs are doing with their neighbours! Malachi 3:16

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:


Christians are SOLDIERS under the command of Christ Jesus and as soldiers we must obey the last order. People who don't know what we have but lived by conscience as men of integrity will be resurrected based on conscience that's why God gave such ones a merit for keeping their integrity even though they don't know the righteousness of God {Romans 2:14-15} but once you have met those practicing what is beneficial and you stubbornly stick to your conscience that's the time your personal opinion becomes a problem for you why? That means you just want to do what pleases you not what you know is best {Isaiah 64:6} you're to give God your best {Matthew 22:37} meaning what you know is up to date not presenting what you're not fully convinced as the best.

I was a Muslim from birth but after seeing that my religion is not up to date on righteousness of God i began seeking for what is best that's how i met the JWs so i joined them in order to give God my best as one who love him. If you stick to your religion and say members from a religion (that your own people despises so much) are OK then you're deceiving yourself, what exactly makes the enmity between these religions and JWs so intense? Do you really care to know? Genesis 3:15 compare to Luke 16:26
it's the best you're to give God as one who love him.

Jesus puts it this way:

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.Mark 12:30

So my friend if you're 100% certain of your beliefs work with all your heart {Revelations 22:11-12} whatever you can do for your God now do it with all your strength! Ecclesiastes 9:10

As for me i'm 100% certain that no human can cross into God's Kingdom now if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses or seriously studying with them to become one of them the only way angels are writing names according to God's word is those studying the Bible together one on the just as JWs are doing with their neighbours! Malachi 3:16

May you have PEACE!

Good. I like that. It's best to say that's what you believe. I respect that even though I have a different opinion as to your stand, but it's certainly your belief and you're entitled to it.

Shalom!

MaxInDHouse:


Guy we're both saying the same thing now so from your own point of view JW's teachings doesn't stop sincere ones among them from having salvation but from the fact i have you (not those who never met JWs before) can't see God's kingdom if you fail to become one of JWs now!

I know you won't like this but that's the bitter truth.


Jesus explained that those who reject the message of his disciples are doomed {Matthew 10:14-15} and today over 41,000 different religions are claiming Christians with contracting teachings and conflicting doctrines so one may conclude that due to all these confusion God may not judge based on the things we read in the scriptures but then Jesus commanded his own disciples to have LOVE among themselves just as he had for them {John 15:12} he also commanded them to LOVE their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} and to LOVE and pray for those who are looking for ways to hurt them! Luke 6:27-28
He taught them that if what they're practicing is according to his teachings all of them will treat one another like one family {Mark 10:29-30} which is in harmony with what God's servants prophesied before Jesus {Isaiah 2:2-4 & Micah 4:1-3} the one and only person whose wise counsel will make this possible in midst of imperfect humans of different races is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} that's why Jesus could confidently proclaim any group of people or organization that fulfilled this task as living WITNESSES of his earthly mission! Act 1:8

So whoever has SEEN any group of people SUCCESSFULLY doing this thing but chose to always speak against them is no longer speaking against those imperfect humans but against the SPIRIT mobilizing them to do the will of God. Matthew 12:31-32

The only thing that could save you now is if you can present a better performing group with regards to the doing of God's will failure to do so means you're an enemy of the Prince whose subjects are working out peace globally among men of goodwill so extermination is waiting for you! Luke 19:27

I told you I will remind you this your post in January 2024. Remember my point, that salvation should be left to Jesus.

Now after watching the Annual Meeting, how far?

Sand2022:


I told you I will remind you this your post in January 2024. Remember my point, that salvation should be left to Jesus.

Now after watching the Annual Meeting, how far?

What happened at the annual meeting?

Sand2022:

I told you I will remind you this your post in January 2024. Remember my point, that salvation should be left to Jesus. Now after watching the Annual Meeting, how far?

You only seek approval for what you want instead of listening attentively to gain insight.

MaxInDHouse:

Guy we're both saying the same thing now so from your own point of view JW's teachings doesn't stop sincere ones among them from having salvation but from the fact i have you (not those who never met JWs before) can't see God's kingdom if you fail to become one of JWs now! I know you won't like this but that's the bitter truth.

If someone has never had the chance one on one discussion with God's organization such a person will be given a fair chance after the destruction of the wicked people but if you've gotten the sense of what God's organization is doing yet you chose to sit on the fence them i'm sorry for you!

MaxInDHouse:


You only seek approval for what you want instead of listening attentively to gain insight.



If someone has never had the chance one on one discussion with God's organization such a person will be given a fair chance after the destruction of the wicked people but if you've gotten the sense of what God's organization is doing yet you chose to sit on the fence them i'm sorry for you!

You didn't learn anything from the broadcast.

Emusan:


What happened at the annual meeting?

There GB says they should leave the judging aspect to Jesus.

Sand2022:


There GB says they should leave the judging aspect to Jesus.

They're now coming back to their senses that Watchtower shouldn't judge others as they might not be the only true followers of Christ as they usually claim.

Sand2022:

You didn't learn anything from the broadcast.

Continue deceiving yourself!

Emusan:


They're now coming back to their senses that Watchtower shouldn't judge others as they might not be the only true followers of Christ as they usually claim.

They are gradually coming up. Of course there are more steps they need to get there.