SavageResponse:


I'm not a practising christian but that does not mean I will not support the rights of religious adherents to protect the sanctity of their religion from the onslaught of sexual misfits and other weirdos!

Dtruthspeaker:


So they are taking in the outcasts and abominations of the earth so that their pews will not die of cold.

izibili44:
why would it not drop. Thinking of going back. With this Information I am not going back

SavageResponse:


So because of that they should allow all sorts of nonsense from homos and other such confused persons?

Flamemignon1:

Please learn to do your research before speaking on something you know nothing about especially as an atheist. The whole point of atheism is you speaking for yourself based on concrete facts

Kukutente23:

This your question is funny. Maybe you should ask God who said he got the reports

What you have done is to limit God's knowledge to Abraham's intervention. Don't forget that God knew of the evil in Sodom. He went there on a fact-finding mission to see if what was reported was as bad as it sounds.

Genesis 19:29
NLT---But God had listened to Abraham’s request and kept Lot safe, removing him from the disaster that engulfed the cities on the plain.

KJV---And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, t[b]hat God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow,[/b] when he overthrew the cities in which Lot dwelt.

Lot saying they were virgins does not imply he was right. Every father will always assume his non-pregnant unmarried daughter is a virgin.

It's funny your say Lot was not righteous meanwhile Lot prevented the men of Sodom from doing something vile to strangers whom he saw homeless and offered shelter.

What righteousness can be more than this? Note that the mother was saved as well even though she later turned into salt due to her inability to let go of her lust for the pleasures in that city. Are you saying the mother was righteous as well? No!

Why Salt?
Another explanation for Lot’s wife being transformed into a pillar of salt is based on her having four daughters, two married and two betrothed. The two married daughters and their husbands remained in the doomed city, as did her two future sons-in-law (Gen. Rabbah 50:9; see also “Lot’s Daughters”). When Lot and his wife were saved from the destruction of the city, she took pity on her married daughters who had remained in Sodom and looked behind her. As soon as she saw the back of the Shekhinah (Divine Presence), she was transformed into a pillar of salt (Pirkei de-Rabbi Eliezer, ed. Higger, chap. 25

Kobojunkie:
Pope simply exercising his political power. The man was simply being silly. You don't enter a corporation, begin to oppose the CEO and not expect him to cut you off when he finally becomes tired of your shenanigans.

kkins25:


Genesis 19:29
NLT---But God had listened to Abraham’s request and kept Lot safe, removing him from the disaster that engulfed the cities on the plain.

KJV---And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, t[b]hat God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow,[/b] when he overthrew the cities in which Lot dwelt.

Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked?

So, the daughters were already doing withdraw method? If indeed Lot was a righteous man, why would you assume his daughters were unrighteous?

So, you see, the angels had intended to destroy the whole place completely. It's because of Abraham, who knew Lot was living there that they came in the form of Men to inspect the town, which they had already planned to destroy. Abraham's plea was only for the sake of Lot. Abraham already knew that the land of Sodom was a bad place. You see, it was against the tradition of the Sodomites to entertain foreigners, so, when the Angels came and lodged in Lot's house, that caused the whole town to become vexed. This custom is, of course, different from that of Lot. It was not "Righteousness" per say, that saved Lot, it was his strong adherence to his own cultural practises just as Abraham. Read more here in link below

17Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do?
21that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

The mother is an indigene of Sodom, plus,
Why Salt?
Another explanation for Lot’s wife being transformed into a pillar of salt is based on her having four daughters, two married and two betrothed. The two married daughters and their husbands remained in the doomed city, as did her two future sons-in-law (Gen. Rabbah 50:9; see also “Lot’s Daughters”). When Lot and his wife were saved from the destruction of the city, she took pity on her married daughters who had remained in Sodom and looked behind her. As soon as she saw the back of the Shekhinah (Divine Presence), she was transformed into a pillar of salt (Pirkei de-Rabbi Eliezer, ed. Higger, chap. 25 https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/lots-wife-midrash-and-aggadah

ReacherSaidNoth:
Atheism is not a belief system so take your own advice and talk about what you know. Sickos wanting to alter reality by asking sane people to ignore biological makeup and refer to them as what they are not belong in the psychiatric hospital.

Here are some facts for you:
-Born with XY chromosome = male
-Born with X chromosome = female

Don't come at me with your LGBT crap of 'gender is a social construct', good day.

Flamemignon1:

Never said atheism is a belief system so don't know where you got that from and like I said intensive research and study is needed because you literally have no idea what this people gp through than just jumping to the conclusion that they are crazy.......even if they are cuckoo in the head,can you at least type that with empathy because you act as if folks choose to be crazy

Kukutente23:

Your NLT translation is wrong.

Because righteousness is not genetic. That they were going to marry the men of that city showed they agreed with the men's vile practices. Note that Lot spoke to his intended sons-in- law about leaving the city and they refused. Can two walk except they be agreed? Amos3:3

Again you've mixed things up!

15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.”

16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the Lord was merciful to them. 17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, “Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!”

13 A man who had escaped came and reported this to Abram the Hebrew. Now Abram was living near the great trees of Mamre the Amorite, a brother[b] of Eshkol and Aner, all of whom were allied with Abram. 14 When Abram heard that his relative had been taken captive, he called out the 318 trained men born in his household and went in pursuit as far as Dan. 15 During the night Abram divided his men to attack them and he routed them, pursuing them as far as Hobah, north of Damascus. 16 He recovered all the goods and brought back his relative Lot and his possessions, together with the women and the other people.

jeff1607:

You can't know the bible inside out like the Vatican, they have the complete doctrine not the 66 books we carry around,

jeff1607:

truth is we don't know the contents of the other books that gives the Catholic church the audacity to approve same sex marriage and other abominations

simplesearch:
■ Who doesn't know catholic church is a place where the devil dwelleth. People praying the rosary like cultist can't be serving God but evil spirits. Infact Islam Tasbir and catholic rosary are two religious regalia carefully crafted as transcendental meditation medium for demon worship and Satanic occupation. Truth hurts but remains the truth and must be told. Catholism and Islamism are nothing but two satanic religion carefully woven and crafted to send multitude to hell. You can't be under any of those system and expect to see Jesus when you die, no matter you false piety and hypocritical show of voluntary humility.

FreeStuffsNG:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67390366

ReacherSaidNoth:
You referred to Atheism like it was some body of thought. Being crazy is not their fault, but wanting normal people to ignore their very questionable remedy is not going to fly.

Facts do not care about feelings, a man with balls who claims womanhood is deluded along with whoever gives him support.

kkins25:
My NLT is wrong? I hope you know that the KJV has the most errors of any bible.

The act of kindness was what was counted as righteousness in the case of Lot, sir. He himself is not a man of good character, the daughters knew this and exploited it. Remember, they had him drunk before they took turns in raping him.
Lot's wife had more to lose than Lot. Lot had no family there, the wife did.
Lot didn't agree most of the time with the customs of the people, but he chose to remain there. Why? He chose to marry from there. And gave his daughters out(all 4 of them) to people from there!

I like how the Authors wrote it like this though.. How'd drunk did he have to be to not realize he was knacking his daughters? The only females around him for a long time? Comon man!


LOT WASN'T A RIGHTEOUS MAN IN THE SENSE YOU'RE THINKING OF. iNFACT, THE ANGELS FORCED HIM OUT, see below:



As you can see, Even Lot needed a little persuasion from the Angels. He was someone of High social status. He couldn't get there if he didn't adopt some of the traditions of the Sodomites. For instance, throwing out his daughter to be raped to death.


Abraham loved his nephew Lot very much.. in earlier encounters, we see Abraham risking his lives and that of others for the sake of Lot.



While people may want to paint Abraham as a loving man, I'm more inclined to deduce that his plee was solely to save Lot and lot's family. Abraham knew the sodomites very well.

Kukutente23:

KJV was translated out of original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. All of this contemporary translations still use KJV as their reference so talking about errors as if other translations are superior is pure fallacy. .

kkins25:


Genesis 19:29
NLT---But God had listened to Abraham’s request and kept Lot safe, removing him from the disaster that engulfed the cities on the plain.

KJV---And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, t[b]hat God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow,[/b] when he overthrew the cities in which Lot dwelt.

If you didn't have a problem comprehending English, you'd find that both passages indicate that on Abraham's account, God decided to give Sodom a second thought. God remembered Abraham who pleaded on behalf of the sodomites. Abraham, again, didn't want to overstep his boundaries. Rather than make demands, he sort of, interceded. Since he was in no place to tell God to spare Lot, his only option, was to beg God to spare the city even if one person was found righteous.. Lot, following his tradition, welcomed the guests. This was against the tradition of the Sodomites. This was what brought the people to his door. How did they know? That's your home work. You'd find that Lot's wife turning to salt was indeed connected to how the Sodomites knew there was a guest.

The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate.

Kukutente23:

God remembered Abraham was to imply he remembered his deal with Abraham. The deal never involved saving Lot. Again, you've misrepresented the facts of the scripture. The bar was set at 10 righteous people. But God couldn't find 10 righteous there could he? If Abraham begged God to spare the city, and God went ahead to destroy it, does it not imply that God did not grant Abraham's request?
Let me just tell you how the men of Sodom knew of the visitors. It is there in the bible only that you're adding your conjectures. Read:
Gen 19: 1-3

From verse 3, it's obvious that they had a long talk at the gateway of the city before they agreed to stay with Lot. It's very obvious that such argument would have led to some passers-by taking notice of the men.
The claim that it was Lot's wife who told the men of the city is pure hogwash. The men knew through the long argument Lot had with the visitors. Arguments attracts people.
Lot's wife turning to salt was as a result of her inability to keep her mind off the things of Sodom. That's why she looked back. They lost all in Sodom. Friends, properties, money etc and those things caused her to look back

slickbak:

Exactly! It’s about power and relevance.

kkins25:



Bro, Sir, Oga, I'm at the point where I will start pulling my hair if I have to explain to you that Abraham had no business with the sodomites. So, why would Abraham beg to such an extent for a City he had no business with? Please, open your eyes and read what is written here: The verse below specifically connects Abraham's plea to Lot.. how's that difficult to understand for fvck sake? If you count Lot, his wife, their daughters, and future son-in-law, brother in-laws, Father-in-laws, etc. They'd be more than 10. So, do you see Abraham's foresight? Be wise like you foster father Abraham.

Genesis 19:29
NLT---But God had listened to Abraham’s request and kept Lot safe, removing him from the disaster that engulfed the cities on the plain.

KJV---And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in which Lot dwelt.




So, you're assuming Lot and the Angels were shouting at the top of their voices abi? Or was the city of Sodom a face-me-I-face-you compound? Abegi!! Please here https://www.sefaria.org/Gen.%20Rabbah%2050:6

Lot is no better than the wife because, he too didn't want to leave the city. Remember, this are people who have no business with YHWH. So, when a bunch of strangers come to your land (two men oh, not an army!!!!) and tell you they want to destroy your city, you'd take them serious? Bros, put 2+2 together na. The biblical passages clearly indicate this, but you simply don't to accept that you weren't taught to that extent. Learn and grow! No harm in learning.

kkins25:


Take note, God didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality. The people wanted to rape the "visitors" as a means to humiliate them. I wouldn't even say "God' destroyed, but rather the "visitors" destroyed.

Don't you question why lot was willing to give up his only daughters to be raped to death? As a matter of fact, it was not righteousness that saved lot, it was simply his connection to Abraham. That was all. I've seen Christian authors try to concert shenanigans (subconscious infiltration of thoughts kobo!!!) to claim that lot was righteous. Will a righteous man throw out his daughters like that? Think godamnit! Think!

2elliot:
If it is because of the corruption of sin is why you have stopped being religious, then you just dey play. The race is a personal one, no one will finish it for you. If you allow what is happening in the world to change your mind even when the Bible has told you that corruption will multiply during the last days, then you just dey play. You have no excuse on judgement day.