Sand2022:


That's commendable. The religion is too controlling. In the name of unity, they want to regulate even how you make love with your wife. The issue of beard generated controversy for years in the west, but all the opposers of this now changed doctrine were discriminated, viewed as disorderly, and were never given church work. Just beard. Religious leaders are really going too far. In some cases, they approved beard in one location, and disallowed it in another.

All these while the GB was wrong.

They seem to have poor bible scholars over there or that the bible scholars are doing great work, but the leadership doesn't often listen to their advise. Because this issue is no-brainer if you ask me.

However, I don't think they disfellowship for this. But they just don't see you as a JW in most areas eg , Nigeria. You can't occupy any office in most JW congregation. In some areas, if you claim you're a witness, they will first check if you have a beard. If you do, they just conclude you're not. Cos you have mark of the beast.lol

But we need to commend them for such change. Atleast they changed.

Sand2022:


That's commendable. The religion is too controlling. In the name of unity, they want to regulate even how you make love with your wife. The issue of beard generated controversy for years in the west, but all the opposers of this now changed doctrine were discriminated, viewed as disorderly, and were never given church work. Just beard. Religious leaders are really going too far. In some cases, they approved beard in one location, and disallowed it in another.

All these while the GB was wrong.

They seem to have poor bible scholars over there or that the bible scholars are doing great work, but the leadership doesn't often listen to their advise. Because this issue is no-brainer if you ask me.

However, I don't think they disfellowship for this. But they just don't see you as a JW in most areas eg , Nigeria. You can't occupy any office in most JW congregation. In some areas, if you claim you're a witness, they will first check if you have a beard. If you do, they just conclude you're not. Cos you have mark of the beast.lol

But we need to commend them for such change. Atleast they changed.

Well there are cases of disfellowship of brothers wearing beards. Assuming you're approached by elder's and you act irresponsibly to the extent of questioning the governing body's policy on beards.. Your case will turn to a disfellowship case... How you react to the judiciary panel will determines the verdict

Sand2022:


That's commendable. The religion is too controlling. In the name of unity, they want to regulate even how you make love with your wife. The issue of beard generated controversy for years in the west, but all the opposers of this now changed doctrine were discriminated, viewed as disorderly, and were never given church work. Just beard. Religious leaders are really going too far. In some cases, they approved beard in one location, and disallowed it in another.

All these while the GB was wrong.

They seem to have poor bible scholars over there or that the bible scholars are doing great work, but the leadership doesn't often listen to their advise. Because this issue is no-brainer if you ask me.

However, I don't think they disfellowship for this. But they just don't see you as a JW in most areas eg , Nigeria. You can't occupy any office in most JW congregation. In some areas, if you claim you're a witness, they will first check if you have a beard. If you do, they just conclude you're not. Cos you have mark of the beast.lol

But we need to commend them for such change. Atleast they changed.

Well there are cases of disfellowship of brothers wearing beards. Assuming you're approached by elders and you act irresponsibly to the extent of questioning the governing body's policy on beards.. Your case will turn to a disfellowship case... How you react to the judiciary panel will determines the verdict

Aemmyjah:


Mention one person
Even if it is a fictional person
Mention someone that got disfellowshipped cos he wore a beard

Emusan:


Exactly what God said through Paul "We must stop acting like children. We must not let deceitful people trick us by their false teachings, which are like winds that toss us around from place to place." Eph 4:14

MaobiCarl:

Well there are cases of disfellowship of brothers wearing beards. Assuming you're approached by elders and you act irresponsibly to the extent of questioning the governing body's policy on beards.. Your case will turn to a disfellowship case... How you react to the judiciary panel will determines the verdict

Eyinju112:

Well I did read all what you wrote there, As far as I'm concerned, this new development isn't a stumbling block for we Jehovah's witnesses. Anyone who left the organization because of beards was never ready to become a Jehovah's witnesses.

Also, I'm not surprised we Jehovah's witnesses are decreasing, which brings about us selling kingdom halls that are no longer in use to build kingdom halls where the need is required or to finance other projects. The last time I dropped money in the kingdom hall when when I was 8 and now I'm 24, we don't collect tithes like other churches to finance our ministry. All our publications are free, tell me which church on earth gives free bibles to it members, but we give our members and our Bible student bible and if he feels to donate 10 naira for that bible we are satisfied, look at us today we haven't ran out of publications or bible and the worldwide work hasn't stopped, do you know the numbers of booklets and brochures and as well as watchtower that is being produced on a daily basis, you have no idea bro. Come to my house and let me show you our publication shelves, if I'm to shop those books from the stationary, I must have spent quite a fortune, so what are you capping? So if the money realized from the kingdom halls are being use to provide our publications and finance other projects, then it is worth it.

On the other hand the world is full of immortality and anyone who loves immorality can never be a Jehovah's witnesses. We're content with whatever we have, we put Jehovah and his kingdom first before riches but then many people want to get rich at all cost. There are lot of things that we Jehovah's witnesses don't condone and we won't condone anyone who choose that part. So therefore we must surely decrease in numbers. I'm glad we're decreasing as it builds my confidence that I'm truly in the true organization that worship God. Read mattew 7 vs 14. "Small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it". Bearing this in mind builds my faith in Jehovah and his organization.
Nothing can take me from this organization.
Shallom

Well I did read all what you wrote there

As far as I'm concerned, this new development isn't a stumbling block for we Jehovah's witnesses

Anyone who left the organization because of beards was never ready to become a Jehovah's witnesses.

Also, I'm not surprised we Jehovah's witnesses are decreasing, which brings about us selling kingdom halls that are no longer in use to build kingdom halls where the need is required or to finance other projects.

The last time I dropped money in the kingdom hall when when I was 8 and now I'm 24, we don't collect tithes like other churches to finance our ministry

All our publications are free, tell me which church on earth gives free bibles to it members, but we give our members and our Bible student bible and if he feels to donate 10 naira for that bible we are satisfied, look at us today we haven't ran out of publications or bible and the worldwide work hasn't stopped, do you know the numbers of booklets and brochures and as well as watchtower that is being produced on a daily basis, you have no idea bro.

Come to my house and let me show you our publication shelves, if I'm to shop those books from the stationary, I must have spent quite a fortune, so what are you capping? So if the money realized from the kingdom halls are being use to provide our publications and finance other projects, then it is worth it.

On the other hand the world is full of immortality and anyone who loves immorality can never be a Jehovah's witnesses.

We're content with whatever we have, we put Jehovah and his kingdom first before riches but then many people want to get rich at all cost

There are lot of things that we Jehovah's witnesses don't condone and we won't condone anyone who choose that part. So therefore we must surely decrease in numbers. I'm glad we're decreasing as it builds my confidence that I'm truly in the true organization that worship God.

Read mattew 7 vs 14. "Small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it".

Bearing this in mind builds my faith in Jehovah and his organization.

Nothing can take me from this organization.
Shallom

Emusan:


Of course the gods in Warwick know it won't be a stumbling block for most of you because you'll swallow it.

But think about those who have been affected by the rule in the past. Those who have been disfellowshipped or shunned.

To you it's a development but have you asked yourself, is that how God works? God's plan is always plain not back and forth.



So what of people Watchtower disfellowshipped because of beards?

Will your organisation apologize to them and call them back?

These are the issues you people take for granted thinking it's not a serious one.

If Watchtower can disfellowship people for wearing beards, now that beards is allowed, don't you think Watchtower has become a stumbling block to those disfellowship?

In case you want to deny anyone was disfellowshipped for wearing beards.

Below is the evidence

Anyone who left the organization because of beards was never ready to become a Jehovah's witnesses.

Eyinju112:


Like I said and will still say, if anyone left the organization because he wants to keep beards that means he was never meant to be there in the first hand. If he can't abide with not keeping beards which is the simplest of all our doctrine, then he is not worthy or fit to be a Jehovah's witnesses.

If he can't abide with not keeping beards which is the simplest of all our doctrine, then he is not worthy or fit to be a Jehovah's witnesses.

MaxInDHouse:

The secret is that your faith will be tested by FIRE! 1Peter 1:7

How will your faith be tested?

Jesus answered:
“Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth." Matthew 5:5
Zephaniah said:
Before the decree takes effect, Before the day passes by like chaff, Before the burning anger of Jehovah comes upon you, Before the day of Jehovah’s anger comes upon you, Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, Who observe his righteous decrees. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger. Zephaniah 2:2-3

Why is humility or meekness so important and what role will it play in your salvation?

Well it's because you must be SUBMISSIVE to those taking the lead among God's people {Hebrews 13:7} this people are imperfect so they are fallible and you will surely notice their blunders but if you capitalize on that to disobey them Paul said:

"Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over you as those who will render an account, so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you" Hebrews 11:17

Now try to meditate on Zephaniah 2:3 and Hebrews 13:17 you will understand why only meek ones can be saved!

Psalms 37:11
Matthew 5:5

May you have PEACE!

Well it's because you must be SUBMISSIVE to those taking the lead among God's people {Hebrews 13:7} this people are imperfect so they are fallible and you will surely notice their blunders but if you capitalize on that to disobey them Paul said:

Remember those who are taking the lead among you, who have spoken the word of God to you, and as you contemplate how their conduct turns out, imitate their faith.

people(Governing Body are imperfect so they are fallible and you will surely notice their blunders but if you capitalize on that to disobey them

Now try to meditate on Zephaniah 2:3 and Hebrews 13:17 you will understand why only meek ones can be saved!

MaobiCarl:

When the Org was increasing and multiply.. From 6 million to 8 million it was a sign that it is the true organisation, "large army of witnesses" it was like a prophecy coming true. Now membership is decreasing instead of the reverse it surprisingly means is the true organisation too..
Well the point is this, once you blindly see something as truth or the way.. Nothing can change your mind even negative signs will be a good sign for you.
Rest my dear.

Eyinju112:


You still don't get the answer?
What is love? Unconditional right?
What are the things you do for love?
Everything right?
If truly they love the organization and they want to serve Jehovah with his people, letting go of common beards shouldn't be a problem.

I'll give you an analogy from a true life experience.
My friend friend was dating a young lady, the lady chews gum on a steady, I mean she likes gum a lot, so unfortunately armed robbers came to their apartment robbed them off their money and then raped his girlfriend right to his face.
Because of what people would say he can't walk away from the relationship so he embraced the lady but as times goes on little things started to piss him off, everything was annoying to him in the house, so one day the lady was chewing gum as usual, the guy walked in and then said, I hate the fact that you chew gum all the time infact I'm no longer interested again. That was how he sent her packing oooo lol.

The guy isn't just seeing her chewing gum and he liked it like that, same as those ex jw aren't just knowing that Jehovah's witnesses don't keep beards and yet they were in the organization. But because they raped that girl and he's looking for a means to let her go, he made her chewing gum the problem to let her go, same way this people wanted their beards to be the reason they were disfelloshipped.

Now many of this brothers were born in Jehovah's organization, they loved the organization while growing, during teenage they know clearly they need to shave their beards, they were handling talks on the platforms but at a point they stopped loving the organization due to one reason or the other which is best known to them, they don't want to walk away so they don't hurt their families, so they start misbehaving knowing clearly well that Jehovah's organization don't condone some certain act or misbehaviors, they come up with silly and stupid act, because clearly they know what will b[code][/code]ecome of them if they go against our way. The bible stated it in Gal 5vs 9 you can read that yourself. "We do well to remember that disfellowshipping is Jehovah’s arrangement and that it benefits the congregation and may benefit the wrongdoer. If an unrepentant wrongdoer were permitted to remain in the congregation, he could be a corrupting influence. So when we disfellowship this people, they leave the organization, and then many become rebellious 😁😁😁.


And another is if you are learning the bible with Jehovah's witnesses and you don't want to shave your beards that simply means you're not ready to be one of them.

Love is unconditional, and because you love our organization will prompt you to become one of Jehovah's witnesses without beards, and if you're having a cold feet because of beards that means you are not ready to become a jw.

You still don't get the answer?

What is love? Unconditional right?

What are the things you do for love?

Everything right?

If truly they love the organization and they want to serve Jehovah with his people, letting go of common beards shouldn't be a problem.

Love is unconditional, and because you love our organization will prompt you to become one of Jehovah's witnesses without beards, and if you're having a cold feet because of beards that means you are not ready to become a jw

Jesus died for everyone except Achorladey

your end will be worst than someone who have not come to the truth before unless u return to Jehovah. U are currently in same league with Satan who was once a beautiful angel that associated with other angels and know the truth but because of convasiousness he rebel against God

Aemmyjah:


Ask him to provide one evidence of someone forced out cos of a beard as he said

Eyinju112:
I can't condemn you neither your opinions 😁 as everyone has a right to their own opinion.

And we see things differently. As it stands I'm seeing 6 and you're seeing 9😁😁😁 so I don't wanna argue or talk no further, Whatever you like say, we don't care.

And if anyone left the organization because of beards, he wasn't fit to be a Jehovah's witnesses in the first instance.
That's all I have to say.

Arise!!!

TheArrowhead:

You're an obvious apostate. Change your wways and return to the true God.

Sand2022:


That's commendable. The religion is too controlling. In the name of unity, they want to regulate even how you make love with your wife. The issue of beard generated controversy for years in the west, but all the opposers of this now changed doctrine were discriminated, viewed as disorderly, and were never given church work. Just beard. Religious leaders are really going too far. In some cases, they approved beard in one location, and disallowed it in another.

All these while the GB was wrong.

They seem to have poor bible scholars over there or that the bible scholars are doing great work, but the leadership doesn't often listen to their advise. Because this issue is no-brainer if you ask me.

However, I don't think they disfellowship for this. But they just don't see you as a JW in most areas eg , Nigeria. You can't occupy any office in most JW congregation. In some areas, if you claim you're a witness, they will first check if you have a beard. If you do, they just conclude you're not. Cos you have mark of the beast.lol

But we need to commend them for such change. Atleast they changed.

Eyinju112:


I can't condemn you neither your opinions 😁 as everyone has a right to their own opinion. And we see things differently. As it stands I'm seeing 6 and you're seeing 9😁😁😁 so I don't wanna argue or talk no further, Whatever you like say, we don't care.
And if anyone left the organization because of beards, he wasn't fit to be a Jehovah's witnesses in the first instance.
That's all I have to say.

Arise!!!

rottennaija:


Apostate is what you have to be if you will ever go against a false religion.

TheArrowhead:


You're an obvious apostate. Change your wways and return to the true God.

highoctane:
I am at present 36 years strong and forth going as one of Jehovah's witnesses.

I came from a family that bore the first Catholic priest in our community.
One of my uncles have one of the largest Pentecostal church in Port Harcourt raving in early 80s but have fazed out.
My maternal uncles re pastors of Assembly of God.

Two of my maternal uncles served in the military, one was a military attache in Denmark, one have retired. They never sported beards.

I grew up seeing clean shaved men on and on including my Late Dad though not one of Jehovah's witnesses stayed clean shaved till age of 80. I grew among clean shaved men.
Let me forget these narratives.
They re bags of refuse.

I became one of Jehovah's witnesses when I noticed clear hypocritical attitudes in many religions from new age to orthodox churches, my parents, my uncles especially those who ought to serve as spiritual and family heads.

What ever one may call Jehovah's witnesses, Jesus was called worst still he was not deterred.

Read this conversation between Jesus Christ and his homies. Open your Bible and read John chapter 8:48-52 " In answer the Jews said to him: “Are we not right in saying, ‘You are a Sa·marʹi·tan and have a demon’?” 49 Jesus answered: “I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me. 50 But I am not seeking glory for myself; there is One who is seeking and judging. 51 Most truly I say to you, if anyone observes my word, he will never see death at all.” 52 The Jews said to him: “Now we do know that you have a demon. Abraham died, also the prophets, but you say, ‘If anyone observes my word, he will never taste death at all.’

Those who are saying they re harassed, so on and so forth because of sporting beard , come back to Jehovah the preserver of your soul.

Let me forget these narratives. They re bags of refuse.

I became one of Jehovah's witnesses when I noticed clear hypocritical attitudes in many religions from new age to orthodox churches, my parents, my uncles especially those who ought to serve as spiritual and family heads.

What ever one may call Jehovah's witnesses, Jesus was called worst still he was not deterred.

Those who are saying they re harassed, so on and so forth because of sporting beard , come back to Jehovah the preserver of your soul.

Aemmyjah:


In total, we did not decrease but in some lands including Nigeria, there was marked decrease.
All the same, let's wait till they bring in complete year reports
The same people that are wailing on why we report our numbers cos it is not significant are mentioning decrease?

but in some lands including Nigeria, there was marked decrease.

The same people that are wailing on why we report our numbers cos it is not significant are mentioning decrease?

MaxInDHouse:


Increase and decrease in number of attendees or soldiers preaching zealously and teaching industriously throughout the earth?

Ọmọ Jesus said due to increase in lawlessness the love of many will grow cold {Matthew 24:12} do you think he was talking about those going to worship centers to warm benches?
He was referring to active preachers doing the work he assigned.
He went on to add:
"But the one who has endured to the end will be saved" Matthew 23:13
Which means many will first join in doing the work but as times goes on many will take their leave but in all of these the job will be done before the destruction of evildoers! Matthew 24:14
So if you're thinking about the increase and decrease try to also meditate on how the work is going on because the work has already reached the places where some decided to turn back it's not compulsory they're saved it's the places where the work hasn't reach that matters to Jehovah.

That's why He said:

“But my righteous one will live by reason of faith,” and “if he shrinks back, I have no pleasure in him.” Hebrews 10:38

Those leaving do you know any preaching and teaching organized group they joined later?

Well the truth is they become unproductive which will surely lead to their condemnation! Matthew 25:28

We are not the type that shrinks back to destruction! Hebrews 10:39

Increase and decrease in number of attendees or soldiers preaching zealously and teaching industriously throughout the earth?

Ọmọ Jesus said due to increase in lawlessness the love of many will grow cold {Matthew 24:12} do you think he was talking about those going to worship centers to warm benches?

Those leaving do you know any preaching and teaching organized group they joined later?

Well the truth is they become unproductive which will surely lead to their condemnation

We are not the type that shrinks back to destruction! Hebrews 10:39

achorladey:






Being a Jehovah’s witnesses is not determined based on keeping or not keeping beards. You stating the above shows the extent of lies and manipulations packed into your brains to defend men who still don't know their left from right and cannot use their perceptive powers to allow fellow Christians like them to know what is wrong and right regarding wearing beards. No one gets baptized by answering questions regarding keeping beards or not. Stop defending lies and manipulations of your GODS of men housed in USA

achorladey:



Still under the lies and manipulations packed into brains.



They should equally be bag of refuse to your GODS of men housed in USA yet they can't take their eyes off bags of refuse because of the need to control the lives of others into oblivion . 61 years ago, wearing beards was definitely under ban and questions regarding beards were classed as unprofitable questions. 61years after their hypocrisy and going BEYOND WHAT WAS WRITTEN wear it ugly heads to clarify what they thought will bring unity that up till today and in the future will lead to division.



Your eyes sees what you want to it to see. The same hypocritical attitude you noticed in other Christian denominations are very much present in that of the religious organization you belong now. Open your eyes to see it and when you see it don't hide under imperfections of your brothers in Jehovah



You better go and read the numerous books published by Russell and Rutherford to see the numerous names they have called Christendom. Is it not the same religious organization that call other Christians babylon the great, empire of false religion, lie lie Christians . One of your brother in Jehovah here called MaxInDHouse, the madness and insanities peddling peddler will insult people: mad, insane, asiere here on nairaland. The very moment others too abuse him in such manner you see him running and hiding under the cover of JESUS just as you are doing using Bible to support your lies and manipulations packed into your brains



Come back to get them harassed the more and subject themselves to men who don't know their right from left and keep going beyond what is written to perpetrate their lies and manipulations. Oga returning to Jehovah and worshiping him has nothing to do with a religious organization that came into existence +/- 150 years ago.

highoctane:


I am not honouring by giving you a reply.
The governing body starting from its first chairman apostle James till today's never claimed infallibility.
They speak as they re been lead by God's holy spirit.

Sakody:

How can someone who admits is not inspired still be led by the Holy Spirit? Is that not a contradiction? Does this make sense to you?

Sakody:


I don't understand how these Jehovah's Witnesses reason. Who told them that JWs leave just because of beards? Have they ever bothered to ask EXJWs why they left the Cult? NO. Because they call them Apostates. So, how will they know why they left? With just a Google search, it is very easy for them to know why Kingdom halls are getting empty. But because their Gods in Warwick have banned them from Google, they are still riding on bicycle that is leading to no destination.

Do they know anything? Is it the present investigations of Watchtower on Child Sexual Abuse in different parts of the world, or their founder and his occultic beliefs, their false prophecies, their admission to communication with Angels and other occultic beliefs, their old publications that expose who they are, their embarrassing history? Their made up doctrines nko? Their twisting and changing of Bible verses nko? What of their association with the Wild Beast? The reason why they are Billionaires. Their investments in companies like those that manufacture War weapons. Do they know any of these? How will they know when Watchtower banned them from researching their Cult? These are more serious reasons to leave this Cult instead of Beards. What is beards? Dem never see anything. They think JWs will just get up and leave the Cult because of immorality when there are more serious reasons they don't even know that warrants leaving and spitting on this religion.

achorladey:



Whenever they classify anyone as disorderly, that's one ground for disfellowshipping such person. The reason there are many cases of those that got hammered regarding that policy and procedure regarding wearing beards

MaxInDHouse:

Bunch of nonsense

Sand2022:


No. They generally don't disfellowship disorderly persons. They only give warning talk about them.

Apostasy: Apostasy is a standing away from true worship, a falling away, defection, rebellion, abandonment. It includes the following:

(1) Celebrating False Religious Holidays: (Ex. 32:4-6; Jer. 7:16-19) Not all holidays directly involve false religion and require judicial action.

(2) Participation in Interfaith Activities: (2 Cor. 6:14, 15, 17, 18) Apostate acts include bowing before altars, shrines, idols, and images and sharing in false religious songs and prayers.—Rev. 18:2, 4.

(3) Deliberately Spreading Teachings Contrary to Bible Truth: (2 John 7, 9, 10; lvs p. 245; it-1 pp. 126-127) Any with sincere doubts regarding the Bible truth taught by Jehovah’s Witnesses should be helped. Loving assistance should be provided. (2 Tim. 2:16-19, 23-26; Jude 22, 23) If one obstinately is speaking about or deliberately spreading false teachings, this may be or may lead to apostasy. If there is no response after a f irst and a second admonition, a judicial committee should be formed.—Titus 3:10, 11; w86 4/1 pp. 30-31.

(4) [b]Causing Divisions, Promoting Sects: (Rom. 16:17, 18; Titus 3:10, 11) This would be deliberate action disrupting the unity of the congregation or undermining the confidence of the brothers in Jehovah’s arrangement. It may involve or lead to apostasy.—it-2 p. 886.[/b]