gidgiddy:


But Yorubas had no problem when Gowon was abolishing the Region's and creating states?

Aquiyi Ironsi abolished regions. With his foolish decree 34 also known as UNIFICATION decree. Ben Nwabueze helped him draft the decree. Ojukwu supported it.

^^^
DON'T mind him @Raskimonojendor, it seems the new thing they agreed to do in their whatsapp group is to start deflecting faults from their usel^ss forefathers onto innocents from other tribes. They always find a way to blame everyone else except themselves.

gidgiddy:


Even the 1960 constitution was not agreed to on Nigerian soil, it was agreed to by Nigerian delegates in London

OH yes, but the constitution had representatives from across the country who sat, discussed and agreed on the rules and regulation through which they wanted to be governed. It's by far better than the agreement reached by two contrasting individuals without consultation from people of other ethnicities across the country. Aburi ko, saburi ni.

Tinubu controls this rubber stamp Akpabio assembly 100%

Shikena:
Restructuring is not in the hands of any president. He does not have that power. That can only be done by the National Assembly.

These countries you mentioned practice true federalism. The money from Texas, NY does not run other states. The money from British Columbia does not run Saskatchewan.

ednut1:
in almost every developed nation from Germany to Canada to Uk to US . Only few states or provinces are productive. The rest of the country depends on money from government. California ,NY and Texas make up majority of USA GDP, In Canada its Ontario, British columbia , Alberta and Quebec, in Uk its london , in Germany its bavaria region. How come competition has not developed the poor regions there

So can competition improve the gdp of the guys here 🤣

DMerciful:
These countries you mentioned practice true federalism. The money from Texas, NY does not run other states. The money from British Columbia does not run Saskatchewan.

you lie. The money federal government gets from those highly productive states are used to subsidize other less productive ones.

The 1960 constitution requires that regions keeps 50% of their resources, contribute 20% to run the federal government and contribute 30% to a common purse thats shared among all regions. Now replace regions with states, does this satisfy you or you insist on the 1999 constitution?

ednut1:
you lie. The money federal government gets from those highly productive states are used to subsidize other less productive ones.

DMerciful:
The 1960 constitution requires that regions keeps 50% of their resources, contribute 20% to run the federal government and contribute 30% to a common purse thats shared among all regions. Now replace regions with states, does this satisfy you or you insist on the 1999 constitution?

this man was a Governor, enjoyed the FAAC of 1999 constitution . When did he do with it He should rest abeg.

With all the sharing formula why did Adaka boro say this The resources will always come from a particular part if the regions and not all. People will still complain

Fake people everywhere.
Here's the man who rode through 1999 constitution to become a state governor. As if only the part time nature of the members of the legislature that used to be the main feature of the 1960 constitution. You must know that if the 1960 constitution is adopted today, tifnubu will definitely shift as the president, cus we gonna practice parliamentary system, not presidential system.
Where is your apc part manifesto of true federalism, in 2015?

Keep fooling una self.

DomPerignon:


From comments from you Ibos here on this thread , we can see how you are all against any talk of restructuring.

I have been saying it here forever that the last people in Nigeria to agree on restructuring is the Ibo man.

Your position since Ironsi announced decree 34 has been always towards a powerful central government.

Obi kicked against restructuring during his campaign and said it was down to what he said was bad leadership .


You are singling my post out despite me responding to your fellow Ibo who blamed Aburi accord collapse for all our woes.

That post was the major distraction and deflection which I needed to correct and highlight that since 1999 , any talk of even resource control for states has been opposed by your Ibo legislators.

The fact remains that the Ibo will be the last to see Nigeria return to her original constitutional template as your ambitions are to rule and dominate the polity from the centre.

Name just one Ibo man who has called for constitutional amendment back to pre Ironsi . Just one !

Protip: you can't because no Ibo man has ever raised the issue of restructuring .

It is either Biafra or an Ibo presidency.

You fool no one

Stop making a fool of yourself, Tinubu is the president of Nigeria and he's in position to restructure Nigeria, I am sure Igbos are the ones stopping him from restructuring Nigeria, see your doctor because something is actually wrong with you upstairs

TimeManager:

What business do we have with Aburi?, is Aburi a place in Nigeria?. Anything that's not agreed upon on Nigerian soil is total rubbish. Aburi was between two military men, 1999 constitution is also a military document. 1960 constitution is the people's document, unfortunately, some people carried out a coup, gave way to mllitary regime in Nigeria and threw away the people's constitution. Same people who should be asking Nigerians for forgiveness are still talking about a toilet paper called Aburi.

-kiss the truth!

Gid bless you ojare.

DomPerignon:



The only people south of the Nigeria that have consistently stood against resource control has been the Ibos.

Even the VAT ruling secured by Rivers and Lagos was met with silence from your region.

Since 1999, Ibo legislators have consistently stood with northerners to block any discussion on resource control for states with the Niger Delta oil resource agitation under Obasanjo demanding for 25% opposed under the gimmick of third term.

Ibo legislators stood alongside the north over the offshore/onshore dichotomy which was only settled by a supreme court ruling .

From this thread we can all see how you all oppose any talk of restructuring by hiding under senseless excuses after the other.

You need to be banned because you can't comment without painting Igbos bad, are you mentally alright?

Forget Akande now, do you insist on the 1999 constitution or you want it changed?

ednut1:
this man was a Governor, enjoyed the FAAC of 1999 constitution . When did he do with it He should rest abeg.

With all the sharing formula why did Adaka boro say this The resources will always come from a particular part if the regions and not all. People will still complain

DMerciful:
Forget Akande now, do you insist on the 1999 constitution or you want it changed?

1999 or 1960 constitution does not matter . The same evil greedy politicians will still administer it and loot shikena. Constitution is not our problem.

chrisvic007:


Mention them. Don't be afraid of Seun. The people who truncated the country's democracy after just five years, introduced unitary constitution and handed over the reins of governance to their tribe's man are now crying marginalization. When they had majority in the army, see the way they used the advantage.

Never will they be allowed near the seat of power in this country. Not as president, not as vice president. Small power that was given to them as NLC president, see the way it was used the other day.

We shall see about that ..... anyway don't forget they are still better than you in every way, that's why you get jittery whenever you hear they want to leave one Nigeria because you can't survive as a country without them.

He was right
democratically elected govt should not use military written constitution as template

Bluntemperor:


Much as I tend to agree with you, what happens to the CONFAB REPORTS - which ALL the Legislatures or Committee Signed but GEJ - refused to Implement? Can you still blame Tinubu for that?
Why can't the National Assembly - summons up Courage and Pass a Resolution -for its Implementation?
That CONFAB REPORTS - I believed is a good level playing ground for every Regions to grow and develop!
Or is there anything left behind again,by our Politicians,in this Reports?

Buhari said he consigned the recommendations of the 2014 CONFAB to the freezer.

As you rightly explained, the recommendations of the 2014 CONFAB could have been a panacea to the imbroglio of political structure and constitution created by northern military dictators for Nigeria. Then president Goodluck Jonathan said he was planning to implement the recommendations of the CONFAB in the next National Assembly which he expected would be less hostile to the CONFAB. Before a mammoth crowd in Lagos during his 2015 presidential election campaign, then President Goodluck Jonathan appealed to Nigerians to vote him in so that he could implement the recommendations of the 2014 CONFAB in a less hostile National Assembly.


But Tinubu with his group wouldn't listen to Jonathan's appeal to them.

Ironically, perhaps before Jonathan became a politician, Tinubu crisscrossed the SW region from 1999 campaigning for political restructuring of Nigeria.

Benzigler:







We shall see about that ..... anyway don't forget they are still better than you in every way, that's why you get jittery whenever you hear they want to leave one Nigeria because you can't survive as a country without them.

Who is jittery about fraud, criminality, drug peddling, adulteration, blood money and baby factory products leaving our country? The problem is with the political elites, ask an average Nigerian and they'll tell you they don't want to share the same country with primitive cave men who were still walking naked in 1920. That is until one Bishop led missionaries to the mud land for evangelism.

God knows I've not mentioned any tribe.

Nwodosis:
Aburi Accord remains the permanent solution but it is good as we all chose to live on its denial.

Aburi Accord didn't contain any provision for elections. So how will elections and other democratic processes happen if we adopt Aburi Accord?

Using 1999 constitution can never guarantee freedom and development, after all it was brought in to enslave some for some.

Now talking Sir.

Benzigler:




Stop making a fool of yourself, Tinubu is the president of Nigeria and he's in position to restructure Nigeria, I am sure Igbos are the ones stopping him from restructuring Nigeria, see your doctor because something is actually wrong with you upstairs

those Yoruba clowns can be funny

iwaeda:
Throw away 1999 Constitution, embrace 1960’s, Akande tells NASS



https://www.vanguardngr.com/2024/01/throw-away-1999-constitution-embrace-1960s-akande-tells-nass/amp/

How will emilokan who is yet to recover all his investment in politics since 25 years ago take this advice 🤣🤣

Parachoko:
Even if Nigerians Embrace the 1960 Constitution, with Politicians like the Mediocre from Agulu, Nigeria won't still develop.

No b by system of Government abeg.

Look at how Nigerians are Hailing Asiwaju because of how he's ruling Perfectly.

clown

DomPerignon:


In a follow-up to the Aburi accord, Gowon promolgated Decree 8 which was meant not only to abrogate Ironsi's dissatrous Unity Decree #34 but also to strengthen the regional autonomy by providing for regional armies.

Aburi accord agreed to the unbundling of decree 34.

But when discussions were being held in Lagos after Aburi to unbundle decree 34, Ojukwu refused to attend citing "safety reasons".

Ojukwu will get his briefings from Ejoor after flying from Enugu to Benin.

When hinted on decree 8, Ojukwu said it won't stand .

The next few days , Gowon announced decree 8.

Ojukwu said this was not in agreement with the accord reached at Aburi despite decree 8 considering all the agreements reached and even further to strengthen regions.

The regional army clause was what Ojukwu was against alongside provisions to see for the carving out of COR region from the old eastern region - a demand that had been long sought by the oppressed minorities in the old eastern region.

The accord arrived at in Aburi, Ghana has the following :

1. Members agree that the legislative and executive authority of the Federal Military Government should remain in the Supreme Military Council, to which any decision affecting the whole country shall be referred for determination provided that where it is possible for a meeting to be held the matter requiring determination must be referred to military governors for their comment and concurrence.

2. Specifically, the council agreed that appointments to senior ranks in the police, diplomatic, and consular services as well as appointment to superscale posts in the federal civil service and the equivalent posts in the statutory corporation must be approved by the Supreme Military Council.

3. The regional members felt that all the decrees passed since January 15, 1966, and which detracted from previous powers and positions of regional governments, should be repealed if mutual confidence is to be restored.

As you can see, Aburi called for an end to decree 34.

Now let's look at Decree 8

appointment of judges all over the Federation ahs been abolished. Each Military Governor now controls appointment of judges of the High Court of his Region. But the appointment of the judges of both the Supreme Court of Nigeria and the High Court of Lagos is made the sole responsibility of the Supreme Military Council.

7. All appointments to posts in the superscale group 6 and above in the Public Service of the Federation and appointments to posts of Deputy Commissioner of Police and above in the Nigeria Police Force are now to be made by the Supreme Military Council. The functions formerly discharged under sections 110 and 146 of the Constitution of the Federation by the Federal Public Service Commission and the Police Service Commission respectively are now to that extent limited. 8. Appointments to the offices of Ambassador, High Commissioner and other principal representatives of the Republic in countries other than Nigeria are now, under the Decree, to be made by the Supreme Military Council.


From the above you can see that decree 8 simply codified what was agreed upon at Aburi.

What isn't explicitly mentioned in decree 8 was the Supreme Military Council divesting military authority to regional heads to which only Ojukwu disagreed with.

Now , why would Ojukwu disagree with every region having its own standing army outside the federal army ?

Because Ojukwu and his Enugu Marxists saw this as a threat to their future power grab.

A few days after decree 8, Ojukwu invaded the Midwest and installed a puppet military head of state and from there began a putsch to Lagos.

Midwest was easily invaded and occupied because despite Ejoor's demand to Gowon for arms, Gowon was hesitant to arm the Midwest because of the overwhelmingly Igboid officers and men in the Midwest army who were all sympathetic to Enugu and the Marxist coup of Jan 15, 1966.

Gowon was then forced to create states to delegitimize Biafra territorial claims over the restive anti Ibo Niger Delta provinces.


Anyone refering to Aburi is being highly deceptive as it was Ojukwu that renegaded on Aburi by invading the Midwest and declaring Biafra with the Niger Delta regions.

Aburi was a time wasting venture meant to bid time for Ojukwu who was hell bent on seizing power from Gowon and maintaining the centrist Ironsi military dictatorship.

Do not fall for their lies.

I will end this by stating that since 1999, every attempts to chip away from the dissatrous Ironsi centrist 1999 constitution has been opposed by them.

They feared Tinubu's presidency because it is the only one that can truly kickstart a return to pre Ironsi centrist authority.

Are they not the biggest beneficiaries under the system as can be seen from federal allocations in comparison to contribution to the national purse ?

Do not let them decieve you.

pathetic stvpid things like you must have been bred as a zombie

Must you lots reduce every sane discussion into your tribal nonsense?

Aburi Accord remains the permanent solution but it is good as we all chose to live on its denial.Aburi Accord remains the permanent solution but it is good as we all chose to live on its denial....

aspabay:


Stop sounding like a broken record. This thread is not for unintelligents like you. Wait for thread on Tonto Dike

They must have fried your medullar. A kid like you needs help.