Antiislaam:


Shey na your alfa or chief imam after banging your head on the floor tell you say na Paul and Rome created Christianity

Show us where Jesus created anything called Christianity?

AntiChristian:


Na your family be terrorists!

You're right! Islam is pure and pristine!
Muslims ain't!

Christianity doesn't exist during the life of Christ and is a creation of Paul and Rome!

My family nor be islamists na
So how can they be terrorists

So if there are no pure and pristine Muslims, who are those practicing the pure and pristine Islam?

Christianity is the life of Christ. So saying Christianiyt did not exist during the life of Christ is saying Christ did not exist. It is just like saying Islam did not exist during the life of Muhammad. Anyway, Muhammad did not start Islam according to you people. It existed before him. He only came and personalised it.

Ojuntana:

My family nor be islamists na
So how can they be terrorists

So if there are no pure and pristine Muslims, who are those practicing the pure and pristine Islam?

Christianity is the life of Christ. So saying Christianiyt did not exist during the life of Christ is saying Christ did not exist. It is just like saying Islam did not exist during the life of Muhammad. Anyway, Muhammad did not start Islam according to you people. It existed before him. He only came and personalised it.

Islam is different from Muhammad!
Islam is the only religion from Allah!
It is the religion of Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham till Jesus!

God didn't name any religion Judaism or Christianity!

Na humans and non-believers gave those names!

And Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam didn't personalise Islam.

He completed it.

AntiChristian:


Islam is different from Muhammad!
Islam is the only religion from Allah!
It is the religion of Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham till Jesus!

God didn't name any religion Judaism or Christianity!

Na humans and non-believers gave those names!

And Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam didn't personalise Islam.

He completed it.

Where did Jewish God name any religion Islam?

There's no religion called Islam in the Torah

Are you now saying Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham and Jesus practiced incomplete religion?

Agboriotejoye:

Where did Jewish God name any religion Islam?

There's no religion called Islam in the Torah

Are you now saying Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham and Jesus practiced incomplete religion?

There was no mention of any religion in your old and new testament. It's super clear humans created the names for you!

The gave the name of the only religion to be Islam, the religion of submission to the one and only creator Allah!

All the Prophets practiced the religion completely as it was inspired to them by Allah! Each one of them ran their own lap of the race! Jesus (alayhi salam) gave the baton to Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wasalam) to complete the race!

AntiChristian:


There was no mention of any religion in your old and new testament. It's super clear humans created the names for you!

The gave the name of the only religion to be Islam, the religion of submission to the one and only creator Allah!

All the Prophets practiced the religion completely as it was inspired to them by Allah! Each one of them ran their own lap of the race! Jesus (alayhi salam) gave the baton to Muhammad (salallahu alayhi wasalam) to complete the race!

You did not answer the question. You mentioned five Jewish figures as people who practiced Islam and I asked you to show from the Torah where the name Islam was given to the religion they practiced.

The religion practiced by Abraham with God in the Torah is the religion of belief not submission. Gen 15:6

The religion practiced by Jesus in the new testament was the religion of love not submission Matthew 3:17, John 3:16

If each prophet practiced their religion differently from the other, why then do you claim they all practiced Islam. Are you saying one Islam is different from the other?

There is 600 years between Jesus and Muhammad. Can you explain why there is such a huge gap and why the line of prophethood you recounted to be Jewish shifted to an Arab after the 600 years?

You are more confused than even atheists if you can't give cogent answers for these

Agboriotejoye:

You did not answer the question. You mentioned five Jewish figures as people who practiced Islam and I asked you to show from the Torah where the name Islam was given to the religion they practiced.

The name of the religion wasn't mentioned in your Bible. But it is clear all the Prophets submitted wholly to God. And that is Islam. Those who practices Judaism and Christianity just practices them without any mention of such type of religion in their books!

The religion practiced by Abraham with God in the Torah is the religion of belief not submission. Gen 15:6

Abraham submitted wholly to Allah! That's why he could decide to sacrifice his beloved son!

The religion practiced by Jesus in the new testament was the religion of love not submission Matthew 3:17, John 3:16

If na love Jesus for no put his head on the floor to pray to his God! He won't have fasted and prayed several times!
Even Jesus submitted in your Bible!

If each prophet practiced their religion differently from the other, why then do you claim they all practiced Islam. Are you saying one Islam is different from the other?

All of the Prophets worshiped Allah the way he want them to worship Him. You may also ask why didn't Allah tell other Prophets to try and kill their sons too?
The foundation is submission to the will of Allah!

There is 600 years between Jesus and Muhammad. Can you explain why there is such a huge gap and why the line of prophethood you recounted to be Jewish shifted to an Arab after the 600 years?

Allah destines whatever He wills. Sometimes two or more Prophets may meet each other. Moses and Aaron were Prophets in the same dispensation! Jesus and John after Zechariah! Jacob and Joseph!

So Whatever Allah wills happen! And about race, we are all from Adam (and later Noah). Adam was not Jewish. Likewise Abraham, Moses and Noah! So it does not matter!

The distance of years from Adam to Noah was about 10 generations! And Noah preach for 950 years before the flood!

You are more confused than even atheists if you can't give cogent answers for these

I am not confused!
Everything is clear!
And Allah knows best!

AntiChristian:
The name of the religion wasn't mentioned in your Bible. But it is clear all the Prophets submitted wholly to God. And that is Islam. Those who practices Judaism and Christianity just practices them without any mention of such type of religion in their books!

All the other Prophets including even your Muhammad did not submit wholly to God as you claim. For example. Abraham had a conversation with God on Sodom and Gomorrah which caused God to save Lot and his family. Jacob supplanted his brother Esau and took his birthright. Elijah called God to test by fire. Muhammad chose to marry as many women as he willed. He did not marry four as prescribed by Allah. Those who practice Judaism such as Jacob, David, Solomon never called their religion Islam and never prayed five times a day or observed Ramadan like Islamists do. So you cannot allocate a religion they never practiced to them.

Abraham submitted wholly to Allah! That's why he could decide to sacrifice his beloved son!

Abraham submitted to God by obeying him but he also believed God will have a plan. That's what he told his son. He was not just going about mumuishly like a slave in his relationship with God

If na love Jesus for no put his head on the floor to pray to his God! He won't have fasted and prayed several times!
Even Jesus submitted in your Bible!

Again, the central theme of the relationship of Jesus with God is love and not submission. The voice that spoke out from the heavens said "This is my beloved son" not this is my submissive slave. Taking submission to embody the relationship between God and Jesus is taking just a part of the whole. It is just like a father who provides for his son's needs. He does so out of love for his son not because their relationship is based on providing his needs. He will still love his son regardless of whether he can meet his need or not.

All of the Prophets worshiped Allah the way he want them to worship Him. You may also ask why didn't Allah tell other Prophets to try and kill their sons too?
The foundation is submission to the will of Allah!

That is what you still keep confusing yourself with. If you say all the Prophets worshipped God differently, when then do you all worship God the way Muhammad prescribed it for you. Why don't you worship God the way He wants you to worship him. If you say it is because you are not a prophet, why do you follow the way of Muhammad and not that of the others? If the foundation is submission and all prophets submitted, why are you practicing only Muhammad's form of submission? Why don't you observe the feast of leavened bread and passover as Moses did? Abi Moses nor be prophet?

Allah destines whatever He wills. Sometimes two or more Prophets may meet each other. Moses and Aaron were Prophets in the same dispensation! Jesus and John after Zechariah! Jacob and Joseph!

So Whatever Allah wills happen! And about race, we are all from Adam (and later Noah). Adam was not Jewish. Likewise Abraham, Moses and Noah! So it does not matter!

The distance of years from Adam to Noah was about 10 generations! And Noah preach for 950 years before the flood!


I am not confused!
Everything is clear!
And Allah knows best!

Adam was not Jewish and he did not practice any religion. The relationship between God and Adam was that of friendship and not worship.
Abraham practiced Judaism because he started the circumcision and the relationship between God and Israeil. What he did not do is receive the laws.
Between Adam and Noah, there were prophets. That you are not aware is due to the incompleteness of your quran. There was Abel and Cain. There was Enoch, Lamech, Methuselah, Methusahel. They are all listed in the Torah. So it is not true that there was no prophets from between Adam to Noah. That is a lack of knowledge due to incompleteness of the quran.

Agboriotejoye:
All the other Prophets including even your Muhammad did not submit wholly to God as you claim. For example. Abraham had a conversation with God on Sodom and Gomorrah which caused God to save Lot and his family. Jacob supplanted his brother Esau and took his birthright. Elijah called God to test by fire. Muhammad chose to marry as many women as he willed. He did not marry four as prescribed by Allah. Those who practice Judaism such as Jacob, David, Solomon never called their religion Islam and never prayed five times a day or observed Ramadan like Islamists do. So you cannot allocate a religion they never practiced to them.

Of course all of them submitted wholly to Him. Submission includes praying and sending your requests to a deity! Abraham could have requested the salvation of Lot from an idol. But he chose the creator. This is the essence of Qur'an 1:5. And i don't really have much comments on your biblical Prophets. Apart from the Biblical Jesus, John the Baptist and Zechariah that was somewhat made perfect, most other biblical Prophets are either tainted in one way or the other. I don't believe in your story of Jacob and Esau! Also Abraham didn't ask God to save Lot and his family.
In the Qur'an, Lot was a Prophet and only his wife was a disbeliever. God saved them based on these points. As regards Elijah, he submitted to Allah too as he didn't send any request to an idol.
As per Muhammad's marriage, Allah wills him to marry as such just as David was given many extra wives by God in your Bible! Despite you dancing in your churches like David, you can't marry like him.

Where was Judaism instituted as a religion in the Bible? Show the name in your Bible? In the absence of any name, then the Qur'an's claim stands! Islam is the only religion!

Abraham submitted to God by obeying him but he also believed God will have a plan. That's what he told his son. He was not just going about mumuishly like a slave in his relationship with God

Submission goes along with believe. You won't submit to something you don't believe is more powerful. Of course, it is mumuishly or else can you kill your son in like manner?

In the Qur'an, Abraham was an epitome of submission to Allah!

Again, the central theme of the relationship of Jesus with God is love and not submission. The voice that spoke out from the heavens said "This is my beloved son" not this is my submissive slave. Taking submission to embody the relationship between God and Jesus is taking just a part of the whole. It is just like a father who provides for his son's needs. He does so out of love for his son not because their relationship is based on providing his needs. He will still love his son regardless of whether he can meet his need or not.

JESUS: A SERVANT WHO SUBMITS TO ALLAH.

Matthew 23:8
‘But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your master, even Jesus, and all ye are brethren.”

Here it is clearly proved that Jesus was a servant of Allah, and that there is only One Master and He is Allah. In the Arabic version of the Bible this verse has been translated so that Jesus is meant to be the master whereas the English rendering is nearer the original sense.

Matthew 23:9
“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father which is in heaven.”

From this you will note that fatherhood and sonship is meant to be the relationship between the Lord and His servants: it is meant in a general sense and not specifically for Jesus.

Matthew 24:36
“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.”

Mark 13:32
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

This is a definite proof that the Final Hour is unknown to any but Allah, thus Jesus’ knowledge is imperfect like all other men; Allah Alone is All-Knowing, Omniscient.

Matthew 26:39
“And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face and prayed, saying, ‘O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt.’ “

We note here that the person speaking is unaware of Allah’s Will and realizes the fact that he is a servant of Allah. He (Allah) Alone can cause the change.

JESUS IS A SERVANT who submits to ALLAH

That is what you still keep confusing yourself with. If you say all the Prophets worshipped God differently, when then do you all worship God the way Muhammad prescribed it for you. Why don't you worship God the way He wants you to worship him. If you say it is because you are not a prophet, why do you follow the way of Muhammad and not that of the others? If the foundation is submission and all prophets submitted, why are you practicing only Muhammad's form of submission? Why don't you observe the feast of leavened bread and passover as Moses did? Abi Moses nor be prophet?

All nations got Prophet(s) at certain times in the past. They all worshipped Allah in the ways He prescribed for them. For example, Noah was sent to his people. You won't expect us to worship Allah the same way Noah told his people to worship Allah. Noah, Moses, Abraham, etc. were not sent to us! They were sent to their respective nationsonly, some having a larger nation than others! Jesus was also sent to the people of Israel and never to the world!
Muhammad was sent to the world of mankind and Jinn (unseen spirits) from his time till the world ends. Hence we follow Muhammad alone as each Prophet has dispensation!

Adam was not Jewish and he did not practice any religion. The relationship between God and Adam was that of friendship and not worship.

That's from your Bible. Adam disobey God and God in the Bible made him die while punishing the woman with labor pains! Was that friendship? Making your friend and his generations die and all women have generational labor pains is friendship to you? Submission is total obedience! Adam was to obey the law of Allah!

Abraham practiced Judaism because he started the circumcision and the relationship between God and Israel. What he did not do is receive the laws.

You have to show us where the word Judaism exist in the Bible!

Between Adam and Noah, there were prophets. That you are not aware is due to the incompleteness of your quran. There was Abel and Cain. There was Enoch, Lamech, Methuselah, Methusahel. They are all listed in the Torah. So it is not true that there was no prophets from between Adam to Noah. That is a lack of knowledge due to incompleteness of the quran.

So Prophet Cain killed Prophet Abel in your Bible? Can you show me verses that made Methuselah and Methusahel Prophets?
And i agree Enoch (Idris in Islam) was a Prophet therein and Lamech in the Bible.

The Qur'an is not a Book of Prophets and it can't mention all Prophets but few. It does say all nations got a Prophet. So we only know few!
Even your Jesus was asked of the hour and he doesn't know it. Will you say that is also a lack of knowledge due to the absence of the Holy spirit?

AntiChristian:


Show us where Jesus created anything called Christianity?

I've explained this for you many times alfa rashidi, how did you expect Jesus to create Christianity when he is Christ himself or google refuse to tell you the meaning of Christianity kwo?

AntiChristian:

Of course all of them submitted wholly to Him. Submission includes praying and sending your requests to a deity! Abraham could have requested the salvation of Lot from an idol. But he chose the creator. This is the essence of Qur'an 1:5. And i don't really have much comments on your biblical Prophets. Apart from the Biblical Jesus, John the Baptist and Zechariah that was somewhat made perfect, most other biblical Prophets are either tainted in one way or the other. I don't believe in your story of Jacob and Esau! Also Abraham didn't ask God to save Lot and his family.
In the Qur'an, Lot was a Prophet and only his wife was a disbeliever. God saved them based on these points. As regards Elijah, he submitted to Allah too as he didn't send any request to an idol.
As per Muhammad's marriage, Allah wills him to marry as such just as David was given many extra wives by God in your Bible! Despite you dancing in your churches like David, you can't marry like him.

Where was Judaism instituted as a religion in the Bible? Show the name in your Bible? In the absence of any name, then the Qur'an's claim stands! Islam is the only religion!


Submission goes along with believe. You won't submit to something you don't believe is more powerful. Of course, it is mumuishly or else can you kill your son in like manner?

In the Qur'an, Abraham was an epitome of submission to Allah!

That is why your quran is plagiarism. Abraham did not choose to request for Lot's salvation from God. God initiated the conversation with him and it was a conversation between friends and not master- slave as you think. David was not the only one who married many wives. God didn't grant him access to marry many wives because of his dancing. That's a misguided way to look at it. Solomon had the highest number of wives in the bible and he was not known to be a dancer like his father David.
You seem to be so fixated on naming the religion. Judaism was institute by God himself and the religion was instituted in Mount Sinai. That's why your Muhammad was claiming he was receiving revelation of the Qur'an in a cave just like a copycat of moses receiving instructions from God on Mount Sinai. Like I already told you. The religion of Israelites is not based on submission. Isreal means Prince with God not slave of God. The religion they practiced was based on a contract between them and God which Christians call the Old Testament. Slaves don't enter into Testaments or Covenant with their masters. They only do their master's bidding. In the case of Israel, if they do God's bidding, then he was duty bound to fulfil his promises to them. If they abandoned him, then he made them suffer by removing his protection from them. Does that sound like submission of a slave like Islam?

JESUS: A SERVANT WHO SUBMITS TO ALLAH.

Matthew 23:8
‘But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your master, even Jesus, and all ye are brethren.”

Here it is clearly proved that Jesus was a servant of Allah, and that there is only One Master and He is Allah. In the Arabic version of the Bible this verse has been translated so that Jesus is meant to be the master whereas the English rendering is nearer the original sense.

Matthew 23:9
“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father which is in heaven.”

From this you will note that fatherhood and sonship is meant to be the relationship between the Lord and His servants: it is meant in a general sense and not specifically for Jesus.

Matthew 24:36
“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.”

Mark 13:32
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

This is a definite proof that the Final Hour is unknown to any but Allah, thus Jesus’ knowledge is imperfect like all other men; Allah Alone is All-Knowing, Omniscient.

Matthew 26:39
“And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face and prayed, saying, ‘O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt.’ “

We note here that the person speaking is unaware of Allah’s Will and realizes the fact that he is a servant of Allah. He (Allah) Alone can cause the change.

JESUS IS A SERVANT who submits to ALLAH

It is interesting that all the verses you quoted has Jesus referring to God as father yet you claim he is God's servant. Are you your father's servant or his son. A son can't be a slave to his father. Sons have rights and inheritance with their fathers which no slave can boast of.

All nations got Prophet(s) at certain times in the past. They all worshipped Allah in the ways He prescribed for them. For example, Noah was sent to his people. You won't expect us to worship Allah the same way Noah told his people to worship Allah. Noah, Moses, Abraham, etc. were not sent to us! They were sent to their respective nationsonly, some having a larger nation than others! Jesus was also sent to the people of Israel and never to the world!
Muhammad was sent to the world of mankind and Jinn (unseen spirits) from his time till the world ends. Hence we follow Muhammad alone as each Prophet has dispensation!

If your quran claims all nations had Prophets in the past, can you name the prophet of the Yoruba? Was it Orunmila or Obatala
What about the Igbo? Is there Prophet idemili or Ogbunabali? That statement is false! If you say Jesus was not sent to the world, why then did he send his disciples to preach his gospel to all the earth and make disciples of all men? If Muhammad was sent to all men, why do you pray as he taught you only in Arabic his native language? Does that mean your Allah has an official language by which all men must pray to him? If so, how can you now say he is the same God of the Hebrews when the Hebrews never prayed to their God in Arabic? Muhammad could not have been sent to all of mankind with different languages and he will choose his father tongue as God's lingua franca. God is not racist though I can't say the same for Allah since it's in the Qur'an that only those with white faces will enter aljannah while those like you with black faces are candidates for hell by default. That means you're going to hell!!

That's from your Bible. Adam disobey God and God in the Bible made him die while punishing the woman with labor pains! Was that friendship? Making your friend and his generations die and all women have generational labor pains is friendship to you? Submission is total obedience! Adam was to obey the law of Allah!

You can be friends with someone and he transgress you and your decide to deal with him. IBB and Vatsa is a good example. They grew up together. God created Adam yet he put him over all he created and even gave him the right to name them and dominate them. Adam was not a slave to God because no masters looks to satisfy his slave. Eve was created to satisfy Adam's needs. God attended to his needs by creating Eve. Does a master attend to his slave's needs?

You have to show us where the word Judaism exist in the Bible!

So Prophet Cain killed Prophet Abel in your Bible? Can you show me verses that made Methuselah and Methusahel Prophets?
And i agree Enoch (Idris in Islam) was a Prophet therein and Lamech in the Bible.

The Qur'an is not a Book of Prophets and it can't mention all Prophets but few. It does say all nations got a Prophet. So we only know few!
Even your Jesus was asked of the hour and he doesn't know it. Will you say that is also a lack of knowledge due to the absence of the Holy spirit?

Judaism started from Exodus. It is a practice of following Yahweh and his commandments by Israelites. You seem to be surprised that a prophet can kill. Did Muhammad not kill people or are they less humans because they are not Prophets? Cain and Abel were the first people to offer sacrifices to God in the Bible. Methuselah and Methusahel were mentioned as people who followed God in the Bible just as Enoch.
Quran mentioned many Prophets. I thought it's a complete book. Why did it leave out some Prophets? Mention the Prophet sent to Yoruba, Igbo, Igala, Fon, Asante, Chinese people.
Again, explain why Muhammad was given free pass to marry eleven wives while you who follow him are limited to four. It seems Muhammad is exempted from practicing the Islam he established!

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