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SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by WannaHowzit(m): 4:35am On Jan 27
South Africa's genocide case against Israel may have ruffled feathers in the capitals of vital Western trading partners, but it has boosted the country's standing as a champion of the downtrodden Global South.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN32kKHguG8?si=6IFHVnYdwCb7vRE-

That gamble is likely to pay off, thanks to renewed rivalry for Africa's minerals and U.N. votes between the West, China and Russia, turbocharged by Russia's war on Ukraine.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) rejected Israel's petition to throw out the case on Friday, telling it to prevent its troops committing genocide against Palestinians, although it stopped short of ordering the ceasefire South Africa demanded.

It did not decide the merits of the genocide allegations, which could take years.

"It was reasonably damning," said Susan Booysen, Director of Research at the Mapungubwe Institute for Strategic Reflection.

"It was quite unambiguous ... in highlighting the abuses ... so I think it gives them (South Africa) quite a bit of esteem as an international spokesperson for human rights," she added.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P7RJGQR2TU?si=K_sma1fbuoQ7yHod

And while Israel's allies in Washington, Brussels and London might grumble, they can scarcely afford to alienate Africa's industrial and diplomatic heavyweight - especially with the United States' main superpower rival, China, wooing the continent with money, railways and tech transfers.

"If you're going to start punishing South Africa for going to the International Court of Justice, then you're going to have to start punishing a lot of other African countries (for supporting the Palestinians)," Steven Friedman, director of South Africa's Centre for the Study of Democracy, said. "If you do that, then you might as well send (Chinese President) Xi Jinping a letter saying 'You've won'."

Underscoring the point, on a visit to Angola on Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said of South Africa's ICJ case, "whether or not we have a disagreement, one particular matter doesn't take away from the important work that we're doing together in so many other areas."

'POINT OF PRIDE'

The Gaza war has displaced some 1.9 million Palestinians, killed at least 26,000, according to Gaza officials, and inspired global outrage. But in a world so bitterly divided over the issue, moral backing from the World Court goes a long way.

"The ICJ didn't give South Africa all it wanted, but this ruling is a resounding vindication of Pretoria's decision to bring the case, and a powerful indictment of Israeli policy," Human Rights lawyer Reed Brody said.

South Africa projects itself as critic of a world order it sees as mainly serving the interests of the United States and its rich-country allies, who promote international norms they enforce on foes but often not on friends nor even on themselves.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, it was South Africa's President Cyril Ramaphosa who denounced the rich world for hogging all the vaccines, noted Chris Ogunmodede, analyst and editor of World Politics Review.

South Africa was instrumental in marketing BRICS - the forum led by Brazil, Russia, India, China and itself - as an alternative to Western hegemony, with 40 nations queuing to join last year.

"(The ICJ case) is ... another indication of the important place South Africa seeks to occupy as (one of) the continent's leading voices on global affairs," Ogunmodede said.

South African officials often compare their erstwhile struggle against white minority rule to the Palestinian cause - a comparison Israel strongly disputes.


That they take no such unequivocal moral stance on Russia has raised eyebrows. Last year, the government unsuccessfully sought a waiver from its obligation to arrest President Vladimir Putin for alleged war crimes in Ukraine so he could attend a BRICS summit.

"(An) elementary principle of morality is that it canโ€™t be selective. South Africa did not do right by the Ukrainian people," author and columnist Ferial Haffajee wrote in the national Daily Maverick this month, but she praised South Africa for picking a first-rate legal team to fight the ICJ case.

South Africans are proud of the strong rule of law that emerged from their anti-apartheid struggle, which often resolves rancorous domestic political disputes.
"Seeing their judges on the bench of the ICJ wearing South African scarves is like watching the Springboks (national rugby team) win the world cup," Chris Vandome, a senior southern Africa researcher at Chatham House, said.

"It's a point of pride."

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Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by lorenzobanks(m): 4:39am On Jan 27
Lol...I pity SA. Which Allies would help to fight isreal?. You better kill the dumb thought and enjoy your local champion brags about Africa.

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Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by WannaHowzit(m): 4:43am On Jan 27
lorenzobanks:
Lol...I pity SA. Which Allies would help to fight isreal?. You better kill the dumb thought and enjoy your local champion brags about Africa.

Lol Lorenzo, how much bum kissing did you do during Blinken's visit to the colony? ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ Does Nigeria even have a foreign policy?๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฝโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฝโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฝโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Read, weep and wail bout how SA humiliated Israel at the UN World Court yesterday

Mandela is smiling this morning ๐Ÿ”†๐Ÿ”†๐Ÿ”†๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ‡ฟ๐Ÿ‡ฆ

https://www.nairaland.com/7982580/mandela-smiling-africa-wins-genocide

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Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by Botragelad: 4:47am On Jan 27
I don't understand. South Africa went to the Icj, accused Israel of doing a genocide but their case got binned with the judge agreeing that Hamas killed Israeli people on October 7 and the Icj couldn't make Israel stop fighting, or call for ceasefire, only said Israel should try to avoid civilian casualties.

So basically, South Africa was faffing about in the Icj, while Israel is still chasing Hamas lot in Gaza, Khan yunis while Hamas Supporters are blubbing on the media. Haha

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Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by EKONGKING: 4:51am On Jan 27
South Africa should concentrate on its economy oo.

Rich South Africans are leaving in droves .
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by Codepain: 5:16am On Jan 27
Who can't take such a weak and cowardly army. The only thing Isreal do well is bombing civilians. With little training high school students in SA will soon have Isreal Diaper Forces hiding under blanket

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Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by Botragelad: 5:22am On Jan 27
Codepain:
Who can't take such a weak and cowardly army. The only thing Isreal do well is bombing civilians. With little training high school students in SA will soon have Isreal Diaper Forces hiding under blanket
Ha. You took a snap, why not show the whole vid of that IDF bloke.
Well, the lad with the blanket was under a lot of shooting from Hamas lot in a tight building, and his teammate just got shot, so I reckon the fire made him bleed from the nose, which made him grab a blanket to wipe up the blood, not like the story you are trying to spin here.

Your rubbish is bollocks. Have you ever been under heavy fire? If you haven't you won't get the effect. Mate here was fighting for his country, while you waste away rooting for Hamas terrorists!

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Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by WannaHowzit(m): 5:24am On Jan 27
Botragelad:
I don't understand. South Africa went to the Icj, accused Israel of doing a genocide but their case got binned with the judge agreeing that Hamas killed Israeli people on October 7 and the Icj couldn't make Israel stop fighting, or call for ceasefire, only said Israel should try to avoid civilian casualties.

So basically, South Africa was faffing about in the Icj, while Israel is still chasing Hamas lot in Gaza, Khan yunis while Hamas Supporters are blubbing on the media. Haha

You forgot the part about Israel being ordered to open humanitarian corridors, report genocidal soldiers and hand in a report to ICJ about how its been behaving over the 30 days of February.

You also omitted mentioning that 15/2 and 16/1 of the judges were critical of Israel's conduct.

That's an indictment on Israel and its leaders, and would make future allies weary.

This is just the first step, son - holocaust wailers will soon be known as genocide culprits. Long road ahead but we'll get there eventually - even SA apartheid took 50 years to mismantle.

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Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by BigBlackPreek(m): 5:28am On Jan 27
Good to see SA in the conversations of the world power The greatest African country at the moment

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Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by Botragelad: 5:33am On Jan 27
WannaHowzit:


You forgot the part about Israel being ordered to open humanitarian corridors, report genocidal soldiers and hand in a report to ICJ about how its been behaving over the 30 days of February.

You also omitted mentioning that 15/2 and 16/1 of the judges were critical of Israel's conduct.

That's an indictment on Israel and its leaders, and would make future allies weary.

This is just the first step, son - holocaust wailers will soon be known as genocide culprits. Long road ahead but we'll get there eventually - even SA apartheid took 50 years to mismantle.
Israel denied any allegations of genocide and said they were acting in self-defense against Hamas terrorists. And they weren't critical of Israel's conduct, they just said they had to respect international law and human rights. That's not an indictment, that's a reminder.

The Icj's decision was a victory for Israel, not a ceasefire. It recognized their right to defend themselves and their sovereignty. It also rejected the claims of South Africa and other countries that accused Israel of war crimes and genocide. A slap in the face for the anti-Israel lobby and a boost for the pro-Israel camp.

So don't try to spin this as a defeat for Israel, because it's not. Plus, where's the ceasefire you guys said was going to happen.?
Destruction of Gaza and the TERRORISTS continue, nothing changed! Lol

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Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by WannaHowzit(m): 6:03am On Jan 27
Botragelad:

Israel denied any allegations of genocide and said they were acting in self-defense against Hamas terrorists. And they weren't critical of Israel's conduct, they just said they had to respect international law and human rights. That's not an indictment, that's a reminder.

The Icj's decision was a victory for Israel, not a ceasefire. It recognized their right to defend themselves and their sovereignty. It also rejected the claims of South Africa and other countries that accused Israel of war crimes and genocide. It was a slap in the face for the anti-Israel lobby and a boost for the pro-Israel camp.

So don't try to spin this as a defeat for Israel, because it's not. Plus, where's the ceasefire you guys said was going to happen.?
Destruction of Gaza and the TERRORISTS continue, nothing changed! Lol

Ceasefire not granted but calls for humanitarian corridors granted and Israel kept on a global watch list. All those right wing ministers kept on a tight leash and slapped with gag orders ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ No more genocidal comments from now on. ๐Ÿ‘Ž๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ๐Ÿ’ฉ

Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by WannaHowzit(m): 6:06am On Jan 27
Codepain:
Who can't take such a weak and cowardly army. The only thing Isreal do well is bombing civilians. With little training high school students in SA will soon have Isreal Diaper Forces hiding under blanket

๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by babyfaceafrica: 6:10am On Jan 27
They didn't stop isreal from bombing gaza... So what's the win there? Isreal will keep bombing Palestine and provide humanitarian assistance... Nansense.. Anything short of stopping the war by the ICJ na scam
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by Botragelad: 6:16am On Jan 27
WannaHowzit:


Ceasefire not granted but calls for humanitarian corridors granted and Israel kept on a global watch list. All those right wing ministers kept on a tight leash and slapped with gag orders ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ No more genocidal comments from now on. ๐Ÿ‘Ž๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ๐Ÿ’ฉ
The hunt for Hamas terrorists continue. Dude, that's not ceasefire. Lol
Did you guys go there to joke about or call for ceasefire?

You're missing the point here. Allow me explain. Ceasefire was not granted because Israel has the right to defend itself from Hamas attacks. Calls for humanitarian corridors were granted as a goodwill gesture, not as a concession
Israel has been doing that from the beginning. Again South boy, Israel is not kept on a global watch list, it's just informed the Icj of its actions, as required by international law.

Like I said earlier, Israel denied any accusations of genocide or war crimes, and said it was targeting only Hamas terrorists and their infrastructure.

A global watch list is a list of people or entities that are subject to sanctions or restrictions by the US or other countries. Israel is not on any such list. The Icj's decision was not a verdict or a judgment, it was just a provisional measure to ensure compliance with international law. Israel is not under any sanctions or scrutiny.

What's your point and what are you smiling about for?
The destruction of Gaza and hunting down of TERRORISTS continues. What changed?
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by NSNO(m): 6:18am On Jan 27
What is ICJ's jurisdiction?
Has South Africa solved its own problems?
How will this judgment affect the war in Gaza?

And young man you can make your point without insulting Nigerians. You and your friend mzansicoolio always behave somewhat as if a Nigerian slept with your wife.
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by BALLOSKI: 6:41am On Jan 27
lorenzobanks:
Lol...I pity SA. Which Allies would help to fight isreal?. You better kill the dumb thought and enjoy your local champion brags about Africa.
Southafrica is a leader in this continent, once again, they have brought pride upon Africa and the entire black race.

Israel can't even try Southafrica like they're doing to Palestine. You know that. Again, it's a statement of humanity and human right won.


Those donkeys supporting Israel because they think this is about religion are obviously stupid. Southafrica is 80% Christians.

Those fools should also endeavour to give a part of their land to the herdsmen to graze their cattles or allow ruga to be built on the assumption that the land belongs to the Fulani 2000 years ago.

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Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by BALLOSKI: 6:48am On Jan 27
NSNO:
What is ICJ's jurisdiction?
Has South Africa solved its own problems?
How will this judgment affect the war in Gaza?

And young man you can make your point without insulting Nigerians. You and your friend mzansicoolio always behave somewhat as if a Nigerian slept with your wife.
Their jurisdiction extends to Southafrica, to the point that the ICC almost got Putin arrested in Southafrica last summer. Who would have carried out the arrest? Southafrica. So, they advised Putin not to come.

On them solving all their problems - no country has. Even the state of Israel killing people still has many unsolved problems. USA has many problems yet to be solved and they're still fighting.
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by WannaHowzit(m): 6:49am On Jan 27
Botragelad:

The hunt for Hamas terrorists continue. Dude, that's not ceasefire. Lol
Did you guys go there to joke about or call for ceasefire?

You're missing the point here. Allow me explain. Ceasefire was not granted because Israel has the right to defend itself from Hamas attacks. Calls for humanitarian corridors were granted as a goodwill gesture, not as a concession
Israel has been doing that from the beginning. Again South boy, Israel is not kept on a global watch list, it's just informed the Icj of its actions, as required by international law.

Like I said earlier, Israel denied any accusations of genocide or war crimes, and said it was targeting only Hamas terrorists and their infrastructure.

A global watch list is a list of people or entities that are subject to sanctions or restrictions by the US or other countries. Israel is not on any such list. The Icj's decision was not a verdict or a judgment, it was just a provisional measure to ensure compliance with international law. Israel is not under any sanctions or scrutiny.

What's your point and what are you smiling about for?
The destruction of Gaza and hunting down of TERRORISTS continues. What changed?

Lol, corridors as a goodwill gesture!๐Ÿ˜‚ Didn't one of your Israeli ministers say not a single drop of water will enter Gaza? Well, SA has ensured more than enough water will enter Gaza.

Its hilarious how you're trying to save face. If the ICJ wasn't a serious body Israel wouldn't have presented itself before it to answer to SA accusations. 15/2 and 16/1 judgments against Israel ๐Ÿ‘Ž๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

I'm laughing coz Jewish lawyers are calling SA the legal arm of Hamas and yet you presented yourselves before SA and the ICJ, and now global public opinion knows 15/2 and 16/1 judges voted against you. Israeli global opinion has dropped by 20% in 3 months - you're now officially a pariah and SA will ensure you no longer wail about being holocaust victims and instead characterised as a genocide monsters.
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by JealousCobra(m): 6:54am On Jan 27
WannaHowzit:
South Africa's genocide case against Israel may have ruffled feathers in the capitals of vital Western trading partners, but it has boosted the country's standing as a champion of the downtrodden Global South.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN32kKHguG8?si=6IFHVnYdwCb7vRE-

That gamble is likely to pay off, thanks to renewed rivalry for Africa's minerals and U.N. votes between the West, China and Russia, turbocharged by Russia's war on Ukraine.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) rejected Israel's petition to throw out the case on Friday, telling it to prevent its troops committing genocide against Palestinians, although it stopped short of ordering the ceasefire South Africa demanded.

It did not decide the merits of the genocide allegations, which could take years.

"It was reasonably damning," said Susan Booysen, Director of Research at the Mapungubwe Institute for Strategic Reflection.

"It was quite unambiguous ... in highlighting the abuses ... so I think it gives them (South Africa) quite a bit of esteem as an international spokesperson for human rights," she added.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P7RJGQR2TU?si=K_sma1fbuoQ7yHod

And while Israel's allies in Washington, Brussels and London might grumble, they can scarcely afford to alienate Africa's industrial and diplomatic heavyweight - especially with the United States' main superpower rival, China, wooing the continent with money, railways and tech transfers.

"If you're going to start punishing South Africa for going to the International Court of Justice, then you're going to have to start punishing a lot of other African countries (for supporting the Palestinians)," Steven Friedman, director of South Africa's Centre for the Study of Democracy, said. "If you do that, then you might as well send (Chinese President) Xi Jinping a letter saying 'You've won'."

Underscoring the point, on a visit to Angola on Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said of South Africa's ICJ case, "whether or not we have a disagreement, one particular matter doesn't take away from the important work that we're doing together in so many other areas."

'POINT OF PRIDE'

The Gaza war has displaced some 1.9 million Palestinians, killed at least 26,000, according to Gaza officials, and inspired global outrage. But in a world so bitterly divided over the issue, moral backing from the World Court goes a long way.

"The ICJ didn't give South Africa all it wanted, but this ruling is a resounding vindication of Pretoria's decision to bring the case, and a powerful indictment of Israeli policy," Human Rights lawyer Reed Brody said.

South Africa projects itself as critic of a world order it sees as mainly serving the interests of the United States and its rich-country allies, who promote international norms they enforce on foes but often not on friends nor even on themselves.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, it was South Africa's President Cyril Ramaphosa who denounced the rich world for hogging all the vaccines, noted Chris Ogunmodede, analyst and editor of World Politics Review.

South Africa was instrumental in marketing BRICS - the forum led by Brazil, Russia, India, China and itself - as an alternative to Western hegemony, with 40 nations queuing to join last year.

"(The ICJ case) is ... another indication of the important place South Africa seeks to occupy as (one of) the continent's leading voices on global affairs," Ogunmodede said.

South African officials often compare their erstwhile struggle against white minority rule to the Palestinian cause - a comparison Israel strongly disputes.


That they take no such unequivocal moral stance on Russia has raised eyebrows. Last year, the government unsuccessfully sought a waiver from its obligation to arrest President Vladimir Putin for alleged war crimes in Ukraine so he could attend a BRICS summit.

"(An) elementary principle of morality is that it canโ€™t be selective. South Africa did not do right by the Ukrainian people," author and columnist Ferial Haffajee wrote in the national Daily Maverick this month, but she praised South Africa for picking a first-rate legal team to fight the ICJ case.

South Africans are proud of the strong rule of law that emerged from their anti-apartheid struggle, which often resolves rancorous domestic political disputes.
"Seeing their judges on the bench of the ICJ wearing South African scarves is like watching the Springboks (national rugby team) win the world cup," Chris Vandome, a senior southern Africa researcher at Chatham House, said.

"It's a point of pride."




Rubbish. .

Hypocrite South Africa should work on her xenophobic attitude towards their fellow Africans before acting like they really care for the people of Palestinians.
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by Botragelad: 6:55am On Jan 27
WannaHowzit:


Lol, corridors as a goodwill gesture!๐Ÿ˜‚ Didn't one of your Israeli ministers say not a single drop of water will enter Gaza? Well, SA has ensured more than enough water will enter Gaza.

Its hilarious how you're trying to save face. If the ICJ wasn't a serious body Israel wouldn't have presented itself before it to answer to SA accusations. 15/2 and 16/1 judgments against Israel ๐Ÿ‘Ž๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ฑ

I'm laughing coz Jewish lawyers are calling SA the legal arm of Hamas and yet you presented yourselves before SA and the ICJ, and now global public opinion knows 15/2 and 16/1 judges voted against you. Israeli global opinion has dropped by 20% in 3 months - you're now officially a pariah and SA will ensure you no longer wail about being holocaust victims and instead characterised as a genocide monsters.
I asked who placed Israel on a watch list and what global watch list yet you couldn't give an answer. Lol

Is that a defeat for you?
Why's there no Ceasefire now?
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by WannaHowzit(m): 6:59am On Jan 27
Botragelad:

I asked who placed Israel on a watch list and what global watch list yet you couldn't give an answer. Lol

Is that a defeat for you?
Why's there no Ceasefire now?

This is a legal defeat for Israel which has opened the door to other legal matters. It could potentially take down many allies, especially in Europe if they continue selling arms to Israel.

Watch this space. A month ago you all said SA couldn't touch Israel, today you're making excuses ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ We've only just begun with Israel - we haven't forgotten it supported our oppression.
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by Botragelad: 7:04am On Jan 27
WannaHowzit:


This is a legal defeat for Israel which has opened the door to other legal matters. It could potentially take down many allies, especially in Europe if they continue selling arms to Israel.

Watch this space. A month ago you all said SA couldn't touch Israel, today you're making excuses ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ We've only just begun with Israel - we haven't forgotten it supported our oppression.
I ask again, where's the Ceasefire like you guys said was going to happen?
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by WannaHowzit(m): 7:29am On Jan 27
Botragelad:

I ask again, where's the Ceasefire like you guys said was going to happen?

You should know better that ICJ doesn't have enforcement measures even if it had called for a ceasefire. Whats damning for Israel is 16/1 judges are against it's actions - that carries legal and moral weight in diplomatic circles. Unless you know nothing about diplomacy๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿ‘Ž๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฌ
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by BreconHills(m): 7:36am On Jan 27
WannaHowzit:


Lol Lorenzo, how much bum kissing did you do during Blinken's visit to the colony? ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ Does Nigeria even have a foreign policy?๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฝโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฝโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฝโ€โ™‚๏ธ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Read, weep and wail as bout how SA humiliated Israel at the UN World Court yesterday

Mandela is smiling this morning ๐Ÿ”†๐Ÿ”†๐Ÿ”†๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ‡ฟ๐Ÿ‡ฆ

https://www.nairaland.com/7982580/mandela-smiling-africa-wins-genocide

SA is stuck in the 1970's worldview. It's foreign policy is a mish mash of contradictory affairs. Instead of leading Africa it stands alone with no one following.

SA foreign policy is still mirred in the cold War and it centres around its gratitude to Russia during the fight against apartheid. Very much like Zimbabwe. Strangely, it ignores all the " front line" African states that helped it fight the same war. Nigeria was also heavily supported by Russia during its civil war but Nigeria has maintained its non aligned reciprocity based foreign policy making it a centre of competition between East and west rather than a vassal state of the Russia-Cuba - Venezuala triangle.

Apart from theatrics what follows? Does Russia have the technology SA needs to keep growing? Does it have agricultural know how? What is the global distribution of SA diaspora? Does it have more citizens living in Russia than live in the West?

In my opinion and as an outsider with an opinion and no vote, I believe the ANC has passed its sell by date. It is fascinated by the strong man theory of Russia and China. It has no new ideas and has been marginalised outside of the SADC zone. It is unwelcoming to African businesses though it wants to dominate other countries. If you track the retreat of shoprite from several countries and the fines laid upon its MTN flagship in different places where it does business, you get a sense that there is a kick back against country which is still learning what it means to be a truly African.

Yes it has gleaming buildings, roads, electricity and all but Rome was also a giant in its day before it fell. SA implosion is coming from within from a sub par workforce battling arpartheid PSD and drunk on colour affirmation economics. Its famed xenophobia has ensured it has precious few friends in Africa.

So maybe it does have good reason to look East after all.

I am not going to enter into a long winded argument here - I have put my view across. Others may too and we set them side by side. Time will tell
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by WannaHowzit(m): 7:39am On Jan 27
BreconHills:


SA is stuck in the 1970's worldview. It's foreign policy is a mish mash of contradictory affairs. Instead of leading Africa it stands alone with no one following.

You're not following coz you're highly indebted puppets. Some francophone parliamentarians even asked for the Pan-African Parliament to be moved from Johannesburg to Paris, live on tv - can you believe it?

What's Nigeria's foreign policy if i may ask? Atleast SA stands for something - sits in BRICS and G20, while Nigeria is even bullied by coup leaders in Niger and Burkina Faso.

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Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by Botragelad: 7:50am On Jan 27
WannaHowzit:


You should know better that ICJ doesn't have enforcement measures even if it had called for a ceasefire. Whats damning for Israel is 16/1 judges are against it's actions - that carries legal and moral weight in diplomatic circles. Unless you know nothing about diplomacy๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿ‘Ž๐Ÿพ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฌ
Haha. Deviating!
If Icj doesn't have enforcement measure, what and why did South Africa take Israel to court?

Tell us what moral and legal weight because as far as everyone can see, the war against Hamas continues and Israel stands strong. Lol
Where's the Ceasefire?
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by BreconHills(m): 7:50am On Jan 27
WannaHowzit:


You're not following coz you're highly indebted puppets. What's Nigeria's foreign policy if i may ask? Atleast SA stands for something.

Please read again carefully Nigerias foreign policy is based on non alignment and four D's

Development - who can we partner with on best terms to lead us forward
Democracy - supporting Democracy everywhere, examples intervention in Guinea Bissau, Gambia, Sierra leone etc.
Demography which economic relationships will allow us leverage our population
Diaspora - places a premium on countries where our people work outside the country

I said I was not going to answer anyone because there is no mileage in it. However you have allowed me add a few things to my original response which I am grateful for.
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by WannaHowzit(m): 8:01am On Jan 27
BreconHills:


Please read again carefully Nigerias foreign policy is based on non alignment and four D's

Development - who can we partner with on best terms to lead us forward
Democracy - supporting Democracy everywhere, examples intervention in Guinea Bissau, Gambia, Sierra leone etc.
Demography which economic relationships will allow us leverage our population
Diaspora - places a premium on countries where our people work outside the country

I said I was not going to answer anyone because there is no mileage in it. However you have allowed me add a few things to my original response which I am grateful for.

Lol๐Ÿ˜‚, any country actually has foreign policy objectives written down on paper - its very cheap to do. When Blinken came to town what was your non-indebted puppetry opinion of the war in Gaza and Ukraine?

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Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by BreconHills(m): 8:02am On Jan 27
WannaHowzit:


You're not following coz you're highly indebted puppets. Some francophone parliamentarians even asked for the Pan-African Parliament to be moved from Johannesburg to Paris, live on tv - can you believe it?

What's Nigeria's foreign policy if i may ask? Atleast SA stands for something - sits in BRICS and G20, while Nigeria is even bullied by coup leaders in Niger and Burkina Faso.

Oh really debt South Africa's external debt reached over 170 billion U.S. dollars in 2021, which corresponded to the highest stock of foreign debt in Sub-Saharan Africa. Nigeria and Angola followed, each with debts of 76.2 billion and 67.3 billion U.S. dollars. When you factor in population on a debt per head basis SA indebtedness is even more glaring.

Hahaha sitting on Brics and G20 where your President says nothing. You are just the house uncle Tom - they dare not invite a country like Ghana - they will hear the truth about slanted economics. You are easy to please.

I am out. Sorry about the uncle Tom reference. But seriously you guys need to find your history before the Dutch. You had relationships then. Trace it back and find your common african ancestral. You don't always have to be fighting someone. You cant start your history with battles against colonialists. Look beyond the battle of Isandlwana. You existed before those battles. Don't let reaction to historic foreign domination colour your thinking. You are bigger than that. Find
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by jamesversion: 8:03am On Jan 27
(An) elementary principle of morality is that it canโ€™t be selective.

SA watched as Ukrainians suffered and are still suffering under Russian attack. But are interested in the case of Plaestine. undecided
Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by WannaHowzit(m): 8:12am On Jan 27
BreconHills:


Hahaha sitting on Brics and G20 where your President says nothing. You are just the house uncle Tom - they dare not invite a country like Ghana - they will hear the truth about slanted economics. You are easy to please.

Lol๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚, I'd say the same thing if i was also Nigeria which doesn't have a place at or under the table at BRICS or G20.

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Re: SA Can Afford To Take On Israel Because It Has Powerful Allies (Reuters) by BreconHills(m): 8:14am On Jan 27
WannaHowzit:


Lol๐Ÿ˜‚, any country actually has foreign policy objectives written down on paper - its very cheap to do. When Blinken came to town what was your non-indebted puppetry opinion of the war in Gaza and Ukraine?

Think - what strategic interest / alliance does NG have with Hamas? How many Nigerians live there? What can they do for us? Even the Palestine Authority doesn't want Hamas. We don't support Iranian proxies anywhere - so we condemn violence - we even voted for Israel to stop attacks on civilian pop but we don't stick our neck out for militant Islam.

Ukraine - check the UN vote. NG voted for Russia to stop aggression and withdraw but also abstained with other African countries when the resolution was to simply condemn Russia.

We helped earn you your freedom on the world stage. We funded freedom fighters, nationalised BP, housed your students in our country and starred down Magaret Thatchers racist foreign policy. SA has nothing to teach NG about foreign policy. We've been at it longer and we know how it works better.

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