Lie number 1.
The Governing body has decided that Jehovah's Witnesses can now use their Bible trained conscience to greet Disfellowshipped people ( people who have been expelled from the congregation based on a wrong doing). Jehovah's Witnesses are only to have brief interactions with them but still are not encouraged to socialise with them.
This little change was made because the religion has come under fire for their Disfellowshipping doctrine in different Court cases. Because of this doctrine, Jehovah's Witnesses lost their registration in Norway. The Norwegian government ceased giving grants to the Cult and no longer recognise them as a Religion. They are also no longer permitted to conduct Marriages in that country.

Fact number 1
I listened very carefully, what was said is this. If the person who was kicked out for not repenting (JW is not a day care organisation), attends meeting, welcome him or her, for the fact that the person took the initiative to attend the meeting, that is not an easy thing to do. What the Bible says is to not socialize with the person, until he or she shows full repentance. Is that not what is called FORGIVENESS? Or do we want others to forgive you but you will not forgive them.


Lie number 2
The Governing body has decided that Underaged Children/Minors are no longer required to be in a judicial committee for Wrongdoing. The parents and the Elders have their role to play in talking with the Minor and if the minor is of good behaviour, a judicial committee is not necessary.
This change is also as a result of Jehovah's Witnesses loss in the Court case involving the Norwegian government. The Norwegian government deregistered the Religion when they found out that Underaged Children are disfellowshipped and are shunned by their Families. This is Discrimination in the eyes of Norway and against their rules for religious institutions who are interested in receiving Government grants. So, money is the motivation behind this change.

Facts number 2:
Not even in Africa where people are overly religious do parents stop being parents of their kids simply because the child was kicked out of the congregation for not wanting to accept he or she did wrong. If the parent does, then they are worse than the faithless (according to the Bible). So the case in Norway is just an acusation. BTW Norway is ruled by the LEFT! The people who promote satanic behaviours, LGBT, etc. They hate Christians with a burning passion. So anything they can do to attack Christians is on the table for them.



3. Jehovah's Witness Women are now allowed to wear Trousers to the Kingdom hall, to the Ministry and to Conventions. The mode of dressing with trousers must not be Casual. When they have parts to be done in the Kingdom hall or Conventions, they must wear skirts. When visiting Bethel Headquarters, they are to be dressed in skirts or dresses.

This change came because EXJWS who have left the religion have been making these suggestions. Sometimes, this suggestion is made as a joke and was very popular in ExJW Reddit Forum. It is quite a shock that the Governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses listened to the ExJWs that they call Apostates. There have been reports that there are agents of Watchtower spying in the ExJW Reddit Forum, listening and taking notes of what is being discussed. Afterwards, their suggestions are implemented in the name of New Light. They believe that when they make these changes, it would move EXJWS to come back to the religion. So, who is running the JW Religion, Apostates or the Governing body?

Fact Number 3:
Ladies should dress modestly, esspecially according to local customs. If the area where you live, trousers are allowed on women, go ahead, if it is not, then wear the allowed attire, ususally skirts + blouse or just a dress (gown). In Nigeria for example, dressing and grooming differ from the north to the south, in the south, the culture is a dress or skirt & blouse for women, trousers and shirt for men. I am yet to see a female senator appear in the houses of representatives or senate with trouser and T-shirt, nor female members of the cabinet in any state and FCT go to official meetings in trouser. In northen nigeria, beacuse of the climate, usually cold and dusty, trousers offer better protection against the elements. In year 2000 when I paid attention to this topic, women JWs over there wore trousers there, without any problem, at least then. I don't know for now. I left Nigeria a long time ago.

Here is a direct qoute from courz, " Jehovah's Witness Women are now allowed to wear Trousers to the Kingdom hall, to the Ministry and to Conventions. The mode of dressing with trousers must not be Casual. When they have parts to be done in the Kingdom hall or Conventions, they must wear skirts. When visiting Bethel Headquarters, they are to be dressed in skirts or dresses." He purposely left out where the presenter said IF THAT IS APPRIOPRATE IN THAT LAND. So, local culture is a determining factor.

Lie number 4. Jehovah's Witness Men must not wear ties and jackets to the Kingdom hall, to the ministry and to Conventions. They are only to wear Ties and jackets when they are giving parts/Talks. They are also to be dressed in ties and jackets when visiting the Bethel Headquarters.
Earlier, it was announced that they are free to grow beards. The Governing body member giving this update in the video below had a full beard.

Facts number 4: I do go without ties and no one has told me to go back home. Or do I have to beat a dead horse? I don't have time for that.

cocoduck:

Fact number 1
I listened very carefully, what was said is this. If the person who was kicked out for not repenting (JW is not a day care organisation), attends meeting, welcome him or her, for the fact that the person took the initiative to attend the meeting, that is not an easy thing to do. What the Bible says is to not socialize with the person, until he or she shows full repentance. Is that not what is called FORGIVENESS? Or do we want others to forgive you but you will not forgive them.

Just like many other Jehovah's Witnesses on Nairaland, you are a BIG LIAR.

If you really watched the video as you claimed, how does the scripture that Mark Sanderson quoted apply in this case?

2 John 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

2 John 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them.

2 John 1:11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.

The people who you disfellowship and shun did they stop following the teachings of Christ?

The people who you disfellowship and shun for opposing your beloved Governing Body, did they stop following the teachings of Christ?

Do you see how hypocritical your religion has made you become?

Stop spreading LIES.

People are much wiser now.

They see your religion for what it really is - a dangerous high control cult.

oteneaaron:


Just like manybother Jehovah's Witnesses on Nairaland, you are a BIG LIAR.

If you really watched the video as you claimed, how does the scripture that Mark Sanderson quoted apply in this case?



The people who you disfellowship and shun did they stop following the teachings of Christ?

The people who you disfellowship and shun for opposing your beloved Governing Body, did they stop following the teachings of Christ?

Do you see how hypocritical your religion has made you become?

Stop spreading LIES.

People are much wiser now.

They see your religion for what it really is - a dangerous high control cult.

I would like to call you stupid, but i will let that fly. I won't reply you, because it is either you are stupid or you are just pretending to be.

cocoduck:


I would like to call you stupid, but i will let that fly. I won't reply you, because it is either you are stupid or you are just pretending to be.

Be a man and say what's on your mind.

I know you're not man enough to oppose the Governing Body even when what they say makes no sense - but don't be a coward.

Your LIES have exposed your stupidity.

oteneaaron:


Be a man and say what's on your mind.

I know you're not man enough to oppose the Governing Body even when what they say makes no sense - but don't be a coward.

Your LIES have exposed your stupidity.

Hahahahahahahaha. The fool thinks people have no brain cells.

Nice one Oteneaaron. 👍

Courz:


Hahahahahahahaha. The fool thinks people have no brain cells.

Nice one Oteneaaron. 👍

He tried to do a rebuttal, but ended up doing a shoddy job.

Great work with that thread bro.

cocoduck:


I would like to call you stupid, but i will let that fly. I won't reply you, because it is either you are stupid or you are just pretending to be.

Common denominator of Jehovah's Witnesses here on this platform. Once you are caught in your web of lies and manipulations you go the way of insult to hide your heads

cocoduck:
Lie number 1.
The Governing body has decided that Jehovah's Witnesses can now use their Bible trained conscience to greet Disfellowshipped people ( people who have been expelled from the congregation based on a wrong doing). Jehovah's Witnesses are only to have brief interactions with them but still are not encouraged to socialise with them.
This little change was made because the religion has come under fire for their Disfellowshipping doctrine in different Court cases. Because of this doctrine, Jehovah's Witnesses lost their registration in Norway. The Norwegian government ceased giving grants to the Cult and no longer recognise them as a Religion. They are also no longer permitted to conduct Marriages in that country.

Fact number 1
I listened very carefully, what was said is this. If the person who was kicked out for not repenting (JW is not a day care organisation), attends meeting, welcome him or her, for the fact that the person took the initiative to attend the meeting, that is not an easy thing to do. What the Bible says is to not socialize with the person, until he or she shows full repentance. Is that not what is called FORGIVENESS? Or do we want others to forgive you but you will not forgive them.


Lie number 2
The Governing body has decided that Underaged Children/Minors are no longer required to be in a judicial committee for Wrongdoing. The parents and the Elders have their role to play in talking with the Minor and if the minor is of good behaviour, a judicial committee is not necessary.
This change is also as a result of Jehovah's Witnesses loss in the Court case involving the Norwegian government. The Norwegian government deregistered the Religion when they found out that Underaged Children are disfellowshipped and are shunned by their Families. This is Discrimination in the eyes of Norway and against their rules for religious institutions who are interested in receiving Government grants. So, money is the motivation behind this change.

Facts number 2:
Not even in Africa where people are overly religious do parents stop being parents of their kids simply because the child was kicked out of the congregation for not wanting to accept he or she did wrong. If the parent does, then they are worse than the faithless (according to the Bible). So the case in Norway is just an acusation. BTW Norway is ruled by the LEFT! The people who promote satanic behaviours, LGBT, etc. They hate Christians with a burning passion. So anything they can do to attack Christians is on the table for them.



3. Jehovah's Witness Women are now allowed to wear Trousers to the Kingdom hall, to the Ministry and to Conventions. The mode of dressing with trousers must not be Casual. When they have parts to be done in the Kingdom hall or Conventions, they must wear skirts. When visiting Bethel Headquarters, they are to be dressed in skirts or dresses.

This change came because EXJWS who have left the religion have been making these suggestions. Sometimes, this suggestion is made as a joke and was very popular in ExJW Reddit Forum. It is quite a shock that the Governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses listened to the ExJWs that they call Apostates. There have been reports that there are agents of Watchtower spying in the ExJW Reddit Forum, listening and taking notes of what is being discussed. Afterwards, their suggestions are implemented in the name of New Light. They believe that when they make these changes, it would move EXJWS to come back to the religion. So, who is running the JW Religion, Apostates or the Governing body?

Fact Number 3:
Ladies should dress modestly, esspecially according to local customs. If the area where you live, trousers are allowed on women, go ahead, if it is not, then wear the allowed attire, ususally skirts + blouse or just a dress (gown). In Nigeria for example, dressing and grooming differ from the north to the south, in the south, the culture is a dress or skirt & blouse for women, trousers and shirt for men. I am yet to see a female senator appear in the houses of representatives or senate with trouser and T-shirt, nor female members of the cabinet in any state and FCT go to official meetings in trouser. In northen nigeria, beacuse of the climate, usually cold and dusty, trousers offer better protection against the elements. In year 2000 when I paid attention to this topic, women JWs over there wore trousers there, without any problem, at least then. I don't know for now. I left Nigeria a long time ago.

Here is a direct qoute from courz, " Jehovah's Witness Women are now allowed to wear Trousers to the Kingdom hall, to the Ministry and to Conventions. The mode of dressing with trousers must not be Casual. When they have parts to be done in the Kingdom hall or Conventions, they must wear skirts. When visiting Bethel Headquarters, they are to be dressed in skirts or dresses." He purposely left out where the presenter said IF THAT IS APPRIOPRATE IN THAT LAND. So, local culture is a determining factor.

Lie number 4. Jehovah's Witness Men must not wear ties and jackets to the Kingdom hall, to the ministry and to Conventions. They are only to wear Ties and jackets when they are giving parts/Talks. They are also to be dressed in ties and jackets when visiting the Bethel Headquarters.
Earlier, it was announced that they are free to grow beards. The Governing body member giving this update in the video below had a full beard.

Facts number 4: I do go without ties and no one has told me to go back home. Or do I have to beat a dead horse? I don't have time for that.

I would have given you a befitting response but you are too in a rush to type your response based on Courz thread. Take a deep breath and articulate your points well. Nairaland forum is not coming to an end today None of us carry cane for hand to flog you. We are ready to dissect your point whether valid or invalid

Be calming down Oga. You stated......

I do go without ties and no one has told me to go back home. Or do I have to beat a dead horse? I don't have time for that

against what your GODS of men housed in USA stated...

“In addition, brothers may choose not to wear a tie or a jacket when participating in the
ministry and when attending Christian meetings, assemblies, and conventions. If a brother
chooses not to wear a tie or a jacket on such occasions, he should dress in a manner that
is appropriate, modest, and dignified—not casual

What this tells us is that, as a baptized publisher and a male in that religious organization, what is expected of you when going to the meeting is to dress well with your ties in place or jacket. Now they have introduced may choose not.

Education is not only about theocratic ministry schools or gilead schools or school for elders and ministerial servants. They don't encouraged critical thinking skills there. Most of the the time na la cram la pour

achorladey:


Common denominator of Jehovah's Witnesses here on this platform. Once you are caught in your web of lies and manipulations you go the way of insult to hide your heads

The answer was clearly there, and BTW You haerd him say ATIVELY PROMOTES APOSTACY AND WRONG DOIND! But you chose to ask stupid questions. What if I told you that your brain is an App, may be you will put it to use.

oteneaaron:


Be a man and say what's on your mind.

I know you're not man enough to oppose the Governing Body even when what they say makes no sense - but don't be a coward.

Your LIES have exposed your stupidity.

What is this one Yapping about?

oteneaaron:


He tried to do a rebuttal, but ended up doing a shoddy job.

Great work with that thread bro.

Thanks Bro.

achorladey:



I would have given you a befitting response but you are too in a rush to type your response based on Courz thread. Take a deep breath and articulate your points well. Nairaland forun is not coming to an end today None of us carry cane for hand to flog you. We are ready to dissect your point wether valid or invalid

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrhm, What are you talking about?

cocoduck:
The answer was clearly there, and BTW You haerd him say ATIVELY PROMOTES APOSTACY AND WRONG DOIND! But you chose to ask stupid questions. What if I told you that your brain is an App, may be you will put it to use.

"Actively Promotes Apostasy" to whom?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

or

Apostasy to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses?

These are very two different forms of apostasy.

Be specific.

Or are you indirectly implying that Christ = the Governing Body?

That would be BLASPHEMY!!

Governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses, thank you for listening to Apostates and implementing the tips they have been giving to you but you have more to do o. The whole Trousers for Sisters was sort of a joke amongst them but you took it seriously and implemented it. So, let's wait for the next batch of changes that Apostates suggested to you. The changes are not that impressive but manageable for now. Nice one.

oteneaaron:


"Actively Promotes Apostasy" to whom?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

or

Apostasy to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses?

These are very two different forms of apostasy.

Be specific.

Or are you indirectly implying that Christ = the Governing Body?

That would be BLASPHEMY!!

What is the meaning of apostacy?

cocoduck:

What is the meaning of apostacy?

You tell me.

cocoduck:
The answer was clearly there, and BTW You haerd him say ATIVELY PROMOTES APOSTACY AND WRONG DOIND! But you chose to ask stupid questions. What if I told you that your brain is an App, may be you will put it to use.

Respond to my post accordingly. I know many JWs brains peddle apps and are filled with apps like the JW app and fortunately they put it to use to peddle lies and manipulations packed into your it by their GODS of men housed in USA.

cocoduck:
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrhm, What are you talking about?

Your app peddling brains should be put into use

oteneaaron:


You tell me.

No You tell me!

Your problem is the phrase governing body. Is a governing body of Christians Biblical? YES OR NO!

cocoduck:
What is this one Yapping about?

Malfunctioning app peddling brains

cocoduck:
No You tell me!

Your problem is the phrase governing body. Is a governing body of Christians Biblical? YES OR NO!

Jumping from pillar to post. Now the question is the correctness of governing body . Answer apostacy question first. We will get to governing body later.

achorladey:


Malfunctioning app peddling brains

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

achorladey:


Jumping from pillar to post. Now the question is the correctness of governing body . Answer apostacy question first. We will get to governing body later.

That is why I said it earlier it is either you are stupid or you are just pretending to be stupid. You yourself mentioned apostacy to governing body. Right or wrong? I can see the wall right behind you

cocoduck:
No You tell me!

Your problem is the phrase governing body. Is a governing body of Christians Biblical? YES OR NO!

Hahahahahaha

You brought up the topic first.

But anyway, here is how my dictionary defines APOSTASY -

Noun

apostasy

1. The renunciation of a belief or set of beliefs.
Synonyms: backsliding, conversion, deconversion

2. Specifically, the renunciation of one's religion or faith.

Synonyms: defection, disaffection, estrangement

Based on this definition, we could confidently say that Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates of the Catholic Church.

So, I ask you again.

What form of APOSTASY do you speak about as grounds for disfellowshiping and shunning?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

Or

Apostasy to the teachings of Governing Body who just mere mortal men?

I await your answer.

cocoduck:
That is why I said it earlier it is either you are stupid or you are just pretending to be stupid. You yourself mentioned apostacy to governing body. Right or wrong? I can see the wall right behind you

You can only see the apps peddling brains of yours. Answer the questions before you regarding apostacy first make I see something or your brains keep peddling apps you don't want to put to use

oteneaaron:


Hahahahahaha

You brought up the topic first.

But anyway, here is how my dictionary defines APOSTASY -



Based on this definition, we could confidently say that Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates of the Catholic Church.

So, I ask you again.

What form of APOSTASY do you speak about as grounds for disfellowshiping and shunning?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

Or

Apostasy to the teachings of Governing Body who just mere mortal men?

I await your answer.

Catholism is not Christianity. Everyone knows that. One good example is celibacy, your pope and preists, reverends, bishop etc all wear special cloths, which is in contravention with the Bible. You people belive hell fire, purgatory, limbo, taking up of arms a killing people aka war, bow down to statutes, use icons and images , chapelets, beieve in trinity. These things mentioned are not Biblical, heck! even same sex marriages are now allowed by the catholic churches. The Bible condemns them outrightly. So who is the apostate here? The one that says, we must stricly follow the Bible or the one that says otherwise

cocoduck:
Catholism is not Christianity. Everyone knows that. One good example is celibacy, your pope and preists, reverends, bishop etc all wear special cloths, which is in contravention with the Bible. You people belive hell fire, purgatory, limbo, taking up of arms a killing people aka war, bow down to statutes, use icons and images , chapelets, beieve in trinity. These things mentioned are not Biblical, heck! even same sex marriages are now allowed by the catholic churches. The Bible condemns them outrightly. So who is the apostate here? The one that says, we must stricly follow the Bible or the one that says otherwise

I don't need all these long stories.

Stop trying to deflect.

Based on the definition of the word APOSTASY,

I ask you AGAIN -

What form of APOSTASY do you speak about as grounds for disfellowshiping and shunning?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

Or

Apostasy to the teachings of Governing BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses - who just mere mortal men?

I await your answer.

oteneaaron:


Hahahahahaha

You brought up the topic first.

But anyway, here is how my dictionary defines APOSTASY -



Based on this definition, we could confidently say that Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates of the Catholic Church.

So, I ask you again.

What form of APOSTASY do you speak about as grounds for disfellowshiping and shunning?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

Or

Apostasy to the teachings of Governing Body who just mere mortal men?

I await your answer.

BTW The catholic church has what is called the vatican. What happens in the Vatican? Last I checked it is the governing body of the catholic Churches.

oteneaaron:


I don't need all these long stories.

Stop trying to deflect.

Based on the definition of the word APOSTASY,

I ask you AGAIN -

What form of APOSTASY do you speak about as grounds for disfellowshiping and shunning?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

Or

Apostasy to the teachings of Governing BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses - who just mere mortal men?

I await your answer.

Iaske you a question after answering yours, so read it again, this time slowly

cocoduck:
BTW The catholic church has what is called the vatican. What happens in the Vatican? Last I checked it is the governing body of the catholic Churches.

Stop trying to deflect.

Based on the definition of the word APOSTASY,

I ask you AGAIN -

What form of APOSTASY do you speak about as grounds for disfellowshiping and shunning?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

Or

Apostasy to the teachings of Governing BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses - who just mere mortal men?

I await your answer.

oteneaaron:


Stop trying to deflect.

Based on the definition of the word APOSTASY,

I ask you AGAIN -

What form of APOSTASY do you speak about as grounds for disfellowshiping and shunning?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

Or

Apostasy to the teachings of Governing BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses - who just mere mortal men?

I await your answer.

I asked you a question after answering yours, so read it again, this time slowly

cocoduck:


I asked you a question after answering yours, so read it again, this time slowly

Stop trying to be half wise.

You didn't answer my questions.

In case you're not sure of the questions, here they are again.

Based on the definition of the word APOSTASY,

What form of APOSTASY do you speak about as grounds for disfellowshiping and shunning?

Apostasy to the teachings of Christ?

Or

Apostasy to the teachings of Governing BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses - who just mere mortal men?

I await your answer.