Straybullet:


Did Jesus worship with Judas?

Low comprehension people will say yes.


Then when we ask them why did he perish after doing the same thing as Jesus they become mute.

Worship is a one on one meeting with God, and has nothing to do with others.

There is no venue for worship. No place, no time nothing like that.

Nothing like fellow worshippers because worship is personal

But like I said , you can and will relate with other people.

Just like Jesus related with judas and Peter etc

I hope you're learning

Michael547:

Lol...you are very dubious.
Ok.....did Jesus worship with Peter?
What is your answer?

bobestman:
As the light keep shinning many of you keep waking up. Churchism was created by the Romans. They stopped the disciples house to house gathering and started hunting for them till they killed them. They changed the laws, created a messiah and false image and start venerating those they killed. They later start building churches and told you God is their. That is how you started going to church. Church is circe. Like the messiah, Peter affirmed that your body is the true temple where God is

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! The roman church were already up against the African church among others as at the time that Constantine brought the churchian movement, ruled over by those Jesus Christ said were Dogs and should not be handed that which is Holy - Matthew 7 vs 6 -, to the table in Nicea. At Nicea, what was made clear was that the movement was not of Jesus Christ at all. He had made clear that He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel by His Father, the God of Israel. But what Constantine sealed at that occasion was rather a movement ruled over by the Dogs whom Jesus Christ warned would trample and ruin His Holy name. Religion of Christianity is indeed the system of the AntiChrist which the Prophets and Jesus Christ warned against.

BreconHills:


I like your exalted view of the church and this is certainly the position of the NT.

I used to say what passes for church on Sunday is at best a public crusade. I think people mistake the crowds following Jesus for his disciples.

The challenge is we have a low entry bar for church and the level of fellowship/collectiveness is also low - because we are bargaining and negotiating with the flesh. It should be high bar, high fellowship/collective.

I suggest however that restoration not focus on sounding a clarion call to the world but first building the model that others can be invited into. God will bring those in whom he is working and add them to his kingdom himself.

Straybullet:


Like Peter like judas
There are no companions in worship.
Only people you relate with....neighbours, people you encounter in your journey through life.

Michael547:

😁😁😁......you are a very dubious man.
Your brain could not help but to compare peter to Judas😁.
I'm very sure you would have denied that Jesus disciples apart from Judas actually worshipped God.
So all the people you come across with, non of them is worshipping God like you?
Do you see that it's seems only you would be saved?

MaxInDHouse:


Satan is against the body of Christ so in his effort to discourage seekers of pure worship he has created lots of false religions through his agents (false prophets) so because of all the atrocities they've committed in the name of RELIGION Satan is now using that as an excuse for isolation and many are following him thinking they can actually worship God without physically being with other members just as Paul emphasized:

Let us hold firmly the public declaration of our hope without wavering, for the one who promised is faithful. And let us consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking our meeting together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you see the day drawing near. Hebrews 10:23-25

Perhaps Paul was suggesting the coven of witches where members don't meet in person!

newbornmacho:


This is intellectual Laziness and dishonesty at the same time.

You have shied away from addressing the serious points the op has raised.

Instead you're turning it into a matter of banter...

Oga...denominations are not of God.

Mention one that is the church...is it Catholic, or Greek orthodox , or coptoc, or Lutheran or pentecostal


Which one of them has not succumbed to the gates of hell with respect to moral failures and manifesting flesh


If you are not capable of the kind of theological sophistication the op and others have been displaying here stay away abeg!


Did Jesus start a church

Do you even know the history of what you call church


If you like don't start seeking the true church and continue dancing waist dance in your dead denominations

newbornmacho:


This is intellectual Laziness and dishonesty at the same time.

You have shied away from addressing the serious points the op has raised.

Instead you're turning it into a matter of banter...

Oga...denominations are not of God.

Mention one that is the church...is it Catholic, or Greek orthodox , or coptoc, or Lutheran or pentecostal


Which one of them has not succumbed to the gates of hell with respect to moral failures and manifesting flesh


If you are not capable of the kind of theological sophistication the op and others have been displaying here stay away abeg!


Did Jesus start a church

Do you even know the history of what you call church


If you like don't start seeking the true church and continue dancing waist dance in your dead denominations

MaxInDHouse:


Myself and Michael547 belongs to the church of Christ so that's why i quoted him to buttress his points.

So we know the one and only church that's practicing what Jesus taught!

Michael547:

What is the True church?

newbornmacho:

Which church of christ? The one founded by Thomas Campbell and his son Alexander in America in the 19th century?

MaxInDHouse:


What did Christ teach?

newbornmacho:

Answer me first.
Is it that church of christ that you're referring to?

MaxInDHouse:


No need engaging you because the aggression won't allow you see reasons.

We belong to the church practicing what Jesus taught.

So if you're not interested in what Jesus taught i can't help you!

newbornmacho:

So you're ashamed of identifying as a member of your church?

newbornmacho:


The op has been trying to explain something, you have been trying to trap him and he has skillfully evaded your traps.
Why not allow him land?

MaxInDHouse:


Thanks for your time i'm not the abusive type!

Michael547:

I have been asking op to land and he has not been able to land. He claims that we can never know anyone else that worships God.
So how did Jesus disciples know themselves and worship God together?
That is what he has not been able to answer.
Hope you are not confusing the word 'church' to mean buildings? Church actually means a congregation of people that gather together to worship God irrespective of their location on earth.

Michael547:
∆ I have been asking op to land and he has not been able to land. He claims that we can never know anyone else that worships God.
So how did Jesus disciples know themselves and worship God together? That is what he has not been able to answer.
∆ Hope you are not confusing the word 'church' to mean buildings? Church actually means a congregation of people that gather together to worship God irrespective of their location on earth.

newbornmacho:


It started from the first denomination...the roman catholics.

Then the Eastern orthodox

Then it spread in the west with Martin Luther reformation

Then you got the ansbaptists, the Anglicans, the calvinists, the Methodists etc etc until the pentecostal


Meanwhile all along Jesus has been with his true church, a.dpiritual and not a physical organisation.

I agree with your submissions

99thEnemy:


Historically, the Catholic Church was not considered a denomination in the same sense as other Christian denominations. The Catholic Church traces its origins directly to the teachings and ministry of Jesus Christ and the apostles, as described in the New Testament. It was the dominant and unified Christian institution for many centuries before the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century led to the emergence of various Protestant denominations. The term "denomination" is typically used to describe the different branches or groups within Christianity that emerged after the Protestant Reformation, distinguishing them from the Catholic Church.

newbornmacho:



Unified

The protestant reformation is a 16th century thing.

The coptic church...ie the see of alexandria broke away in 451AD , there was the arian controversy that split the church in half ideologically, nestorius also, the Eastern orthodox broke away in the 11th century...what is the definition of unity again?


JESUS DID NOT START ANY CHURCH

Jesus said he would build his church, and he is doing that.

These churches founded by man are distractions

Kobojunkie:
Op has made it abundantly clear that even your denomination has nothing with Jesus Christ and the God of Israel who instead prescribed for His followers an idea and understanding far away from that which you keep pushing.

You confuse the word church to imply a collection of people connected via an organization, a system of this world ruled over by your GBs. Jesus Christ instead described His own church as a set of branches only joined together, not by any other idea but by Him. Each node/branch of Jesus Christ's church is not even joined by location or commonalities that have to do with this earth. They could be scattered away from each other yet connected to the master who is Jesus Christ. Notice the stark difference between what you call church and that which is in fact of Jesus Christ?

Michael547:
■ Oga no need for epistle. Who are the true followers of christ today?

Kobojunkie:
The followers of Jesus Christ are those who are commanded ONLY by Jesus Christ --- they hear His voice alone and are taught by Him alone. They do not belong to any organization of this word nor are they commanded by any group of men. That is what Jesus Christ established in His Gospel. His Gospel and Word is the same Today as it was in the beginning -- almost 2000 years ago-- and will always be.

99thEnemy:
■ Historically, the Catholic Church was not considered a denomination in the same sense as other Christian denominations.
■ The Catholic Church traces its origins directly to the teachings and ministry of Jesus Christ and the apostles, as described in the New Testament.
■ It was the dominant and unified Christian institution for many centuries before the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century led to the emergence of various Protestant denominations. The term "denomination" is typically used to describe the different branches or groups within Christianity that emerged after the Protestant Reformation, distinguishing them from the Catholic Church.

Kobojunkie:
The followers of Jesus Christ are those who are commanded ONLY by Jesus Christ --- they hear His voice alone and are taught by Him alone. They do not belong to any organization of this word nor are they commanded by any group of men. That is what Jesus Christ established in His Gospel. His Gospel and Word is the same Today as it was in the beginning -- almost 2000 years ago-- and will always be.

Michael547:
■ Who are these people? Where are they?
■ Can we identify them? Do you know anyone of them?