Kukutenla:

You made it look as if all israelites rejected Jesus too. The twelve disciples were Israelites. If you read John 5, you will see that the city of Samaria which is the capital of the ten smaller tribes also accepted Jesus.
Muhammad was rejected by his quraysh tribe which is the largest Arab tribe as at then. He went and joined forces with the Yathrib tribes who are mercenaries and also other outlaws with him to wage war against the quraysh tribe. The Yathrib did not join forces with him because he's a prophet but more because of their hate of the Quraysh tribe.
Just as the ten tribes could have joined Jesus in hate against Judah if he had been political. Coupled with the five thousand men he fed, that would have been a formidable army to march on Judah.
So where's the contradiction?

This is your contradiction in the bolded.

Kukutenla:

Read what I wrote slowly.
Arabs never accepted Muhammad too.

Jews don't accept Muhammad either.
But the difference between Jesus and Muhammad is that Jesus left the Jews who rejected him and focused on Gentiles.

Muhammad instead, raised an army, invaded Mecca and other Arab cities, killed all those who opposed him and forcefully converted the rest.
That's why today, virtually all of Arab land are Muslims.
If Jesus had also raised an army to kill Jews who opposed him and take over rulership of Israel, you won't be asking your silly question today.

While the people of Kuraish who rejected him were Arabs, the people of Yathrib who supported him were also Arabs. It destroys your claim in the first bolded above.

In the case of Jesus, it's different. Even your claim that he turned to the Gentiles is baseless. Because there is no record of such. He lived in Israel never migrated. It was the Romans who are responsible for what is called Christianity which they fashioned to their own taste, after Jesus departure. Jesus never went to meet the Gentiles. Yes his disciples were Jews.

hopefulLandlord:
Picture this. You're in a war torn "country" to help the starving by giving out foods donated worldwide by fellow caring people. You've got three trucks and you've given your routes to those in control of the area to avoid mistakes. as you're about carrying out your duty your vehicle was struck by an ordinance from a drone. Not to be deterred you picked up your injured and managed to get to the other vehicle and continued your mission while reporting that you're being fired upon to the military responsible for the area. Few minutes later the vehicle you're in gets bombed again and this time there were more injuries. Nevertheless you still managed to drag yourself and others to the third and final vehicle. Now you're seven in the vehicle with varying degrees of injuries. You get to the third vehicle and again you were bombed. This time you didn't survive

The bombers in that story are Israelis and this incident calls into question thousands of "Hamas terrorists" they've been claiming to have killed. Ask yourself what if most of those labelled "terrorists" and getting bombed by Israelis in this war aren't really terrorists but innocent people?
Note that this story of three vehicles getting bombed made mainstream news just cuz those killed were charity volunteers from several countries. If these people were Palestinians then Israelis would've just said they were terrorists and that would be it afterall dead men tell no tales

You go analyse tire!! Next time in order not to even be bombed at all whether to give aid or not, don't go and attack another nation ist because all these wouldn't have existed if Hamas didn't find trouble in the ist place.... I rest my case

Zxcvbnmghtr:


This is your contradiction in the bolded.



While the people of Kuraish who rejected him were Arabs, the people of Yathrib who supported him were also Arabs.

In the case of Jesus, it's different. Even your claim that he turned to the Gentiles is baseless. Because there is no record of such he lived in Israel never migrated. It was the Romans who are responsible for what is called Christianity which the fashioned to their own taste. Jesus never went to meet the Gentiles. Yes his disciples were Jews.

The question is who are those the two persons contended against.

Your initial question was borne out of a quest to validate Muhammad that he was accepted by his people while Jesus was not.

Muhammad was quraysh not Yathrib just as Jesus was a Jew not a Samaritan.

So if you want to limit your argument to their tribes, both were rejected. One accepted the rejection while the other turned it to a war.

If you expand it to race or nation, Jesus was accepted by the other ten tribes in Samaria. Muhammad was accepted by the Yathrib tribes not as a prophet but as a fellow outlaw.

The bottomline is that your claim that Muhammad was accepted by his people while Jesus was rejected is totally wrong.

To your claim, the Samaritans were also regarded as gentiles by the Jews. Not only that, Jesus charged his disciples to go into the world and preach to ALL men. That is the part were Jesus turned to Gentiles.

Can you explain how Romans fashioned Christianity to their taste?

Tealcrestmedia:
This one will stop at nothing to push his useless propaganda. The military industrial complex is itching for a war every now and then, because that is how they make their monies, billions and billions in defense contract, while you in Africa, that is yet to enjoy your life due to various suppressions of your growth potential, is here supporting the stupidity.

Any nation that attacks another nation's consulate in such a callous manner, should be ready for whatever response they get. Giving a dog a bad name in order to hang her, is just a stale script that's been overused by the Zionist entity.

Terrorism sympathizer, how long will it take Iran to load a nuke meant for Israel, forever?

All talk and no action

hopefulLandlord:
Picture this. You're in a war torn "country" to help the starving by giving out foods donated worldwide by fellow caring people. You've got three trucks and you've given your routes to those in control of the area to avoid mistakes. as you're about carrying out your duty your vehicle was struck by an ordinance from a drone. Not to be deterred you picked up your injured and managed to get to the other vehicle and continued your mission while reporting that you're being fired upon to the military responsible for the area. Few minutes later the vehicle you're in gets bombed again and this time there were more injuries. Nevertheless you still managed to drag yourself and others to the third and final vehicle. Now you're seven in the vehicle with varying degrees of injuries. You get to the third vehicle and again you were bombed. This time you didn't survive

The bombers in that story are Israelis and this incident calls into question thousands of "Hamas terrorists" they've been claiming to have killed. Ask yourself what if most of those labelled "terrorists" and getting bombed by Israelis in this war aren't really terrorists but innocent people?
Note that this story of three vehicles getting bombed made mainstream news just cuz those killed were charity volunteers from several countries. If these people were Palestinians then Israelis would've just said they were terrorists and that would be it afterall dead men tell no tales

All is fair in War.

Tomorrow you'll display kwashiokored Biafrans during the civil war to chest beat but right now you've become an advocate for war welfare .

Kukutenla:

The question is who are those the two persons contended against.

Your initial question was borne out of a quest to validate Muhammad that he was accepted by his people while Jesus was not.

Muhammad was quraysh not Yathrib just as Jesus was a Jew not a Samaritan.

So if you want to limit your argument to their tribes, both were rejected. One accepted the rejection while the other turned it to a war.

If you expand it to race or nation, Jesus was accepted by the other ten tribes in Samaria. Muhammad was accepted by the Yathrib tribes not as a prophet but as a fellow outlaw.

The bottomline is that your claim that Muhammad was accepted by his people while Jesus was rejected is totally wrong.

To your claim, the Samaritans were also regarded as gentiles by the Jews. Not only that, Jesus charged his disciples to go into the world and preach to ALL men. That is the part were Jesus turned to Gentiles.

Can you explain how Romans fashioned Christianity to their taste?

You and I know that my claim is about Arabs of which Muhammad is an Arab, like the people of Yathrib are Arabs. The people of Kuraish never made a distinction with a tag name as GENTILES which is mischievous to describe the people of Yathrib.

The Jews are Jews and anybody outside being a Jew is a Gentile. You get the difference. The Jews still reject him today.

Zxcvbnmghtr:


You and I know that my claim is about Arabs of which Muhammad is an Arab, like the people of Yathrib are Arabs. The people of Kuraish never made a distinction with a tag name as GENTILES which is mischievous to describe the people of Yathrib.

The Jews are Jews and anybody outside being a Jew is a Gentile. You get the difference.

No. You're just ignorant.

The Arabs never accepted Muhammad. Just as the Jews never accepted Jesus.

Breaking it down to tribes will only make your wrong clearer because ten tribes accepted Jesus while only one tribe accepted Muhammad. It's just like the Ijebus accepting someone and then you generalise to say Yorubas accepted the person.

Where you're confused is that the Arab world today is majorly Islamic while the Jewish world are not Christians. That's what you seek to validate Muhammad with.

But that claim falls flat based on the fact that the Arab world was forced to accept Muhammad through genocide and forceful conversion.

The Jews experienced no such treatment from Jesus. He left them to themselves and moved on.

So the Arab world are more like victims of Muhammad not willing participants as you sought to put it.

MaziObinnaokija:
Sorry little igbo boy. Nah only u be igbo here now

I don’t know who brought u up but u lack all the qualities needed to be a man, you even denied ur identity, hiding under another tribe’s name spineless coward like your fathers, principleless yellow belly crawling vermins, blows hot and cold treacherous soulless matters

Kukutenla:

No. You're just ignorant.

The Arabs never accepted Muhammad. Just as the Jews never accepted Jesus.

Breaking it down to tribes will only make your wrong clearer because ten tribes accepted Jesus while only one tribe accepted Muhammad. It's just like the Ijebus accepting someone and then you generalise to say Yorubas accepted the person.

Where you're confused is that the Arab world today is majorly Islamic while the Jewish world are not Christians. That's what you seek to validate Muhammad with.

But that claim falls flat based on the fact that the Arab world was forced to accept Muhammad through genocide and forceful conversion.

The Jews experienced no such treatment from Jesus. He left them to themselves and moved on.

So the Arab world are more like victims of Muhammad not willing participants as you sought to put it.

Lol....are Ijebus not Yoruba? Kukutenla, stop all this your running around in circles. The war, was as a result of oppression of Muhammad and his followers. He won them at last to himself in his own life time. The conquest of Mecca never resulted to genocide, a wishful vengeance killing. You know that he, Muhammad was merciful to them. Kukutenla, you sabi distort history o.

Tealcrestmedia:


1400? No longer 1200? And can you swear by everything you hold dear, that Hamas killed 1200 people on October 7th?

This is preposterous.

You're in Nigeria and denying what Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran have never denied and are very proud of?!

Have you seen any of the groups or Iran itself run to the UN to complain of false accusations so far??

Have Hamas terrorists not been saying they'll repeat it over and over again??

Most of you jihadists are so senseless.

Zxcvbnmghtr:


Lol....are Ijebus not Yoruba? stop all this your running around in circles. The war, was as a result of oppression of Muhammad and his followers.

Exactly my point. Ijebus are Yorubas but do Ijebus represent the generality of Yorubas
If Ijebu are holding a festival, do we say Yorubas are holding festival?

That's one narrative to push that the war was as a result of oppression.

But we know who declared war on the other not so? Whoever declared war is the aggressor

hopefulLandlord:


You're comparing 2 "countries" fighting to an insurgency? Mumu

You're a fool. Is Palestine a country? Go and validate yourself.

Deemas:


You're a fool. Is Palestine a country? Go and validate yourself.

There's a reason I used the word country in quote but you're too dumb to know what it implies

Kukutenla:

Exactly my point. Ijebus are Yorubas but do Ijebus represent the generality of Yorubas
If Ijebu are holding a festival, do we say Yorubas are holding festival?

That's one narrative to push that the war was as a result of oppression.

But we know who declared war on the other not so? Whoever declared war is the aggressor

Ijebus are Yorubas who are having a festival yet it can't be said that Yorubas are having a festival despite Ijebus being Yoruba.

Kukutenla, the Jews made it clear, that who ever is not a Jew is a Gentile. So, the Jews are on their own. And stand alone.

All this your ways of turning things upside down is the reason why our conversation has been this long. Kukutenla. I totally agree with you. Who ever declared war is the aggressor.

Free2Fly:


This is preposterous.

You're in Nigeria and denying what Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran have never denied and are very proud of?!

Have you seen any of the groups or Iran itself run to the UN to complain of false accusations so far??

Have Hamas terrorists not been saying they'll repeat it over and over again??

Most of you jihadists are so senseless.

You must understand how senseless you are when you have a phone to argue about something, a simple Google search will give you answers to.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzbU9aRI49R/&ved=2ahUKEwjRsObkva2FAxUEQkEAHeEnCnY4ChAWegQIDhAB&usg=AOvVaw2gUMzbvcC18mph8wruroSj

freshvine:


Terrorism sympathizer, how long will it take Iran to load a nuke meant for Israel, forever?

All talk and no action

This one thinks it's a market women argument, Anty shift abeg, go and look for your mate to play with.

Zxcvbnmghtr:


Ijebus are Yorubas who are having a festival yet it can't be said that Yorubas are having a festival despite Ijebus being Yorubas.

the Jews made it clear, that who ever is not a Jew is a Gentile. So, the Jews are on their own. And stand alone.

All this your ways of turning things upside down is the reason why our conversation has been this long. I totally agree with you. Who ever declared war is the aggressor.

Was Palestine that declared was on Israel or Israel that declared was on Palestine because of the attack by Hamas on Israel?

If we're to go by your analogy, since the Quraysh rejected Muhammad, I was right when I said Arabs rejected him. Moreso it was the quraysh he preached to not the Yathrib.
Besides, below is your initial quote. You made a distinction of Jews in Israel.

When will the Jews in Israel believe that Jesus is God or that Jesus is the Son of God or that he is both?!

One can also say when will the quraysh in Arabia willingly accept Muhammad.


It was Hamas that declared war on Israel. An act of aggression on a sovereign entity is an act of war in international law

Tealcrestmedia:

You must understand how senseless you are when you have a phone to argue about something, a simple Google search will give you answers to.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzbU9aRI49R/&ved=2ahUKEwjRsObkva2FAxUEQkEAHeEnCnY4ChAWegQIDhAB&usg=AOvVaw2gUMzbvcC18mph8wruroSj

Mumu jihadist, go and buy a TV, and watch Al Jazeera, which is a pro-hamas media, to see how your fellow terrorists are singing praises for themselves for carrying out the massacre.

Na instagram post made by your fellow jihadists i wan go read??

You stay in one terrorist-infested village with no network and light and say what you don't know anything about.

Kukutenla:

If we're to go by your analogy, since the Quraysh rejected Muhammad, I was right when I said Arabs rejected him. Moreso it was the quraysh he preached to not the Yathrib.

It was Hamas that declared war on Israel. An act of aggression on a sovereign entity is an act of war in international law

If only the people of Yathrib were not also Arabs, then you would have made sense. So how did the people of Yathrib who are Arabs accept him. Did he wage war on them since you claim he didnt preach to them, or the heard his preaching from afar and accepted him? I believe you are beginning to see clearly now.

When we are talking about Jews. Nothing applies outside being a Jew. Anybody outside being a Jew is a Gentile. But a Yathrib is an Arab as much as Qurash is Arab as much as Muhammad is Arab.

Zxcvbnmghtr:


If only the people of Yathrib were not also Arabs, then you would have made sense. So how did the people of Yathrib who are Arabs accept him. Did he wage war on them since you claim he didnt preach to them, or the heard his preaching from afar and accepted him? I believe you are beginning to see clearly now.

When we are talking about Jews. Nothing applies outside being a Jew. Anybody outside being a Jew is a Gentile. But a Yathrib is an Arab as much as Qurash is Arab as much as Muhammad is Arab.

If only the people of Samaria were not Israelites, then you would have made sense. So how did the people of Samaria who were israelites accept Jesus?
When we're talking of Israelites, nothing applies outside being an Israelite. A quraysh is a quraysh just as a Jew is a Jew.
A Jew of Israel is just like quraysh of Arabia. That you confused yourself is no one's fault.
But Jews are Israelites as much as Samaritans are and as much as Jesus was.
The Yathrib accepted Muhammad as one who was exiled from Mecca and not as a prophet. They did not convert to Islam before he became political leader of Yathrib. As a matter of fact, there were Jews in Yathrib all through that time who were later expelled when muhammad later took control.

Kukutenla:

If only the people of Samaria were not Israelites, then you would have made sense. So how did the people of Samaria who were israelites accept Jesus?
When we're talking of Israelites, nothing applies outside being an Israelite. A quraysh is a quraysh just as a Jew is a Jew.
A Jew of Israel is just like quraysh of Arabia. That you confused yourself is no one's fault.
But Jews are Israelites as much as Samaritans are and as much as Jesus was.
The Yathrib accepted Muhammad as one who was exiled from Mecca and not as a prophet. They did not convert to Islam before he became political leader of Yathrib. As a matter of fact, there were Jews in Yathrib all through that time who were later expelled when muhammad later took control.

Anybody that is not a Jew is a Gentile. You said this yourself. Is a Gentile an Israelite? Are you an Israelite? Do you get it. A Jew is a Jew. Anything outside that is a Gentile. Even Jesus called those who are not Jews Gentiles.

DIED OF HIS OWN CREATION

WITH HIS DOG ASS LOOKING FACE

Zxcvbnmghtr:


Anybody that is not a Jew is a Gentile. You said this yourself. Is a Gentile an Israelite? Are you an Israelite? Do you get it. A Jew is a Jew. Anything outside that is a Gentile. Even Jesus called those who are not Jews Gentiles.

Yes. There are Gentiles that are Israelites especially in the days of Jesus

I already told you that your writing from a place of ignorance.

Kukutenla:

Yes. There are Gentiles that are Israelites especially in the days of Jesus

I already told you that your writing from a place of ignorance.

While Jews are Israelites that are not Gentiles lol. So what is it that makes you a gentile?

hopefulLandlord:

There's a reason I used the word country in quote but you're too dumb to know what it implies

Trying to change the narrative, you're a stack illiterate from all indication. If you don't get off my way, the Palestinian treatment is what I will hit you with. Nonsense!

Zxcvbnmghtr:


While Jews are Israelites that are not Gentiles. Lol

Exactly. The word Gentile simply means unbeliever or unchosen and is a word Jews use to describe others whom they believe do not share same promise of Abraham with them.
Just as Muslims call others kafir
So Samaritans while being Israelites are Gentiles as far as Jews are concerned

Kukutenla:

Exactly. The word Gentile simply means unbeliever or unchosen and is a word Jews use to describe others whom they believe do not share same promise of Abraham with them.
Just as Muslims call others kafir
So Samaritans while being Israelites are Gentiles as far as Jews are concerned

So why have we been arguing all along?! All Arabs are Arabs simple and straight forward. No tagging like you just described above.

morgstreme:


slowpoke....

He is a Muslim that has a Christain dad...

Ode!did he told you he did it in d name of Christ or Allah?

enemyofprogress:
you and this your made in aba English

Mr English man..you and your Arabic English

Zxcvbnmghtr:


So why have we been arguing all along?! All Arabs are Arabs simple and straight forward. No tagging like you just described above.

All israelites are Israelites simple and straightforward. Why were you trying to make a distinction between Jews and other Israelites

Kukutenla:

All israelites are Israelites simple and straightforward. Why were you trying to make a distinction between Jews and other Israelites

The emphasis from the word go was Jews/ Arabs. You keep turning around and around and around.

billyG:

Mr English man..you and your Arabic English

Arabic English is better than made in aba English