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Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by BarrElChapo(m): 7:46am On May 15
Enoch fraud Adeboye said Nigeria's was spiritual now one of his sons in the fraud has localised it on his own state 不不不不不

Every other day they conduct programme with fancy themes yet the problem wasn't even known.

Fake demonic fools.
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by thinkartvisuals: 8:06am On May 15
[quote author=article1 post=129954622] Take it easy, Oga

Every minister has different assignment, some are to spit out the problem alone without giving solution, some See the problems and its probable solution to it just the way we have different medical practitioners and their roles, that is the same way we have them in the ministry, so do not fight this man who has seen this big problem in River State. In little view into the past governance leaderships, you have to agree with me that what he has said is likely a truth

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Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by colbycell: 8:56am On May 15
123yes:
Hope you are no 1 pastor in rivers state. You failed as a pastor for not delivering the state from spiritual problems by now.

He will bill them that's why they would rather fight their battle the best way they know which is cheaper
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by Successlane: 9:16am On May 15
Kukutente23:
There's nothing spiritual about it

It's about greed. It's about human nature. It's about lust or love for power
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by HRMK: 10:12am On May 15
but as a pastor,cant you get a spiritual solution to it?since it seems you know its spiritual!
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by DEZZYDAGHZ(m): 10:17am On May 15
article1:
Take it easy, Oga

You are a foolish person. Be careful with your actions so you don't jeopardize your generations with your carelessness. How can you tell a man of God ''Na Ogun go kee your Mama''. Why is this generation so disrespectful? When you begin to suffer the consequences, just remember where it is coming from. Was he referring to you? Why such personal insults? Is he your age mate?

When you insult a genuine man of God, you insult the one who sent him. Have you no fear of God? Please repent and watch your filthy mouth henceforth. Don't move on the premise of anonymity and recklessness and incur God's wrath on you and your progeny biko. Value your life.
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by DEZZYDAGHZ(m): 10:18am On May 15
article1:
Take it easy, Oga

Mr jahsharon:

You are a foolish person. Be careful with your actions so you don't jeopardize your generations with your carelessness. How can you tell a man of God ''Na Ogun go kee your Mama''. Why is this generation so disrespectful? When you begin to suffer the consequences, just remember where it is coming from. Was he referring to you? Why such personal insults? Is he your age mate?

When you insult a genuine man of God, you insult the one who sent him. Have you no fear of God? Please repent and watch your filthy mouth henceforth. Don't move on the premise of anonymity and recklessness and incur God's wrath on you and your progeny biko. Value your life.
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by LegendHero(m): 12:50pm On May 15
Kukutente23:


If you were a good student of history you will know Opobo, Bonny and Brass traded oil palm and kernel with Europe in pre-colonial and colonial times. Google Jaja of Opobo. Even during colonial times, the region known today as the South South was the richest part of the country contributing the most to revenue. Google and confirm.
Can you provide one of such statistics that put Rivers or the SouthSouth(Eastern Region) as being the largest revenue generating region in the country? Below is the marketing board statistics between 1954-1961, the Western region clearly accumulated the most among the regions. It is even by far.

Even for Parm Kernel, the Western region should produce the highest output back then so I am surprised that youre grouping Rivers as the highest producer in their Eastern Region.

I dont need Google. When I talk, I give my sources. Think like a researcher, give your own sources to always back your claims too.

Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by LegendHero(m): 12:58pm On May 15
Kukutente23:

Again, you have shown your poor knowledge. Capital importation is not FDI. If MTN takes a loan from Citibank in SA, that will be counted as Capital importation. If a services firm takes a loan from a UK bank, it will be recorded as capital importation as well. FDI is different. It is not just capital but more importantly, the foreign stockholding and investments in local businesses ,as it implies that generates value for the country.
Capital importation is the name that group them all together. Whether FPI, FDI, trade credits, currency deposits, loans and etc.

Those banks in Lagos are able to attract that because they are in Lagos, so why wont you count it as the positives in Lagos? Even if you single out FDI separately, oil and gas is not even relevant in those values.

Your problem is that youre probably still living in 1980s oil era so you cant comprehend current realities.

Go to NBS and read the source of FDI into the country for the past few years and you Ill understand how ridiculous you sound.[/quote]

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Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by LegendHero(m): 1:04pm On May 15
Kukutente23:

Lagos state owns just 10% of Lekki ports and its investment is not monetary but is the land asset there. Onne port that I'm referring to is the largest export terminal in Nigeria. You know what that means? Close Onne today and your FG will collapse. Even your Tinubu has shares in Onne. But it is not just about the port. It is about the fact that the oil and gas activities that makes the port very viable comes from Rivers land. That is what I am telling you when I say in terms of contribution to the economy, Lagos has nothing over Rivers. Instead, it is even Rivers that is feeding Lagos. If all the money from that oil was left to Rivers alone, the state will be much more richer and more developed than Lagos. As a matter of fact, Lagos benefits from all the economic activities in other parts of the country as its ports are used for imports by other parts of the country. This same situation is what led to Lagos paying royalties to the North during colonial times after it was proven that part of Lagos riches came from northern exports of cotton at Lagos ports and imports that are north bound.

So in terms of economy of Nigeria, Lagos does not have any contribution that exceeds that of Rivers moreso when Lagos is an importing economy while Rivers is an exporting economy


Oga Lagos own 20% stake in Lekki port. Rivers is not even the largest crude oil producer so I dont understand what youre talking about. If you close Onne today, they will make use of another port to export the proceeds, its not a big deal.

This your straw man argument is sickening. How does River state governors relate to Crude oil and Onne? Was Onne a creation of Rivers governor?

Go and check Nigeria GDP, what percentage of that comes from Oil? Lagos is the single most important state in Nigeria. Remove Lagos from Nigeria and keep other states, then see whether Nigeria wont fall to like 6 or 7 rank in GDP.

Now remove Rivers state from Nigeria and keep other states, Nigeria wont even fall 2 spot in ranking.

Dont start arguments you cant defend. For the umpteenth time, our argument is about Rivers governor and Lagos governor impact and projects, argue along that terrain and stop diverting to other stuffs to save face.

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Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by Mo6M: 2:54pm On May 15
My Papa is talking.... Yield or you need... Period
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by olibeans: 3:23pm On May 15
Yeye Pastor...
Dey find who to scam.
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by Patojargz: 4:26pm On May 15
123yes:
Hope you are no 1 pastor in rivers state. You failed as a pastor for not delivering the state from spiritual problems by now.

U for pack your family problems give am 2 solve as u nor sabi wetin 2 type
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by Kukutente23: 5:02pm On May 16
LegendHero:



Oga Lagos own 20% stake in Lekki port. Rivers is not even the largest crude oil producer so I dont understand what youre talking about. If you close Onne today, they will make use of another port to export the proceeds, its not a big deal.

This your straw man argument is sickening. How does River state governors relate to Crude oil and Onne? Was Onne a creation of Rivers governor?

Go and check Nigeria GDP, what percentage of that comes from Oil? Lagos is the single most important state in Nigeria. Remove Lagos from Nigeria and keep other states, then see whether Nigeria wont fall to like 6 or 7 rank in GDP.

Now remove Rivers state from Nigeria and keep other states, Nigeria wont even fall 2 spot in ranking.

Dont start arguments you cant defend. For the umpteenth time, our argument is about Rivers governor and Lagos governor impact and projects, argue along that terrain and stop diverting to other stuffs to save face.

Lol. Which port will they make use of? You make too much empty noise. You think Onne is used because they like the name? Do you know the terminals and jetties there is not present in any other port in Nigeria? Onne port was created due to the depth and width of the basin there. It is part of what makes the area a very rich area. Rivers is responsible for most of the exports of crude which accounts for over 80% of Nigeria's earnings till today. You keep talking about GDP. We are talking about revenue not GDP. Most of the GDP counted for Lagos is a multiplier effect from other states who make use of facilities and services domiciled in Lagos. It is just like the vexed VAT issue. Rivers is the state most cheated by VAT not Lagos which is why it was Rivers that took the issue of VAT to court. GDP that does not translate to improved revenue is meaningless. Imagine claiming you have a $500bn economy but you can't finance a $50bn budget!!
Remove Rivers from Nigeria and Nigeria will go bankrupt almost immediately.
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by Kukutente23: 5:07pm On May 16
LegendHero:

Capital importation is the name that group them all together. Whether FPI, FDI, trade credits, currency deposits, loans and etc.

Those banks in Lagos are able to attract that because they are in Lagos, so why wont you count it as the positives in Lagos? Even if you single out FDI separately, oil and gas is not even relevant in those values.

Your problem is that youre probably still living in 1980s oil era so you cant comprehend current realities.

Go to NBS and read the source of FDI into the country for the past few years and you Ill understand how ridiculous you sound.
FDI is not part of capital importation. FDI is investment not capital importation. Just as FPI as well. Capital importation is demand based. FDI and FPI is investment and opportunities based. They are poles apart.

Banks can attract capital regardless of where they are. Location is not a determining factor for capital importation. If you have a brother in Ekiti who wants to start a business and you send him $20,000 to start the business, that is capital importation and if you send it through one of the commercial banks in Nigeria, it will reflect on their Lagos balance sheet and not Ekiti that the money is going to.

FDI is relevant in oil and gas. A major reason why Nigeria has been slipping down the FDI ladder is because of reduced activity onshore by oil and gas companies. Most have divested offshore and that is the major reason why our FDI is now paltry. Or are you not aware that Nigeri's FDI has gone comatose since APC took office?
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by LegendHero(m): 5:20pm On May 16
Kukutente23:

FDI is not part of capital importation. FDI is investment not capital importation. Just as FPI as well. Capital importation is demand based. FDI and FPI is investment and opportunities based. They are poles apart.

Banks can attract capital regardless of where they are. Location is not a determining factor for capital importation. If you have a brother in Ekiti who wants to start a business and you send him $20,000 to start the business, that is capital importation and if you send it through one of the commercial banks in Nigeria, it will reflect on their Lagos balance sheet and not Ekiti that the money is going to.

FDI is relevant in oil and gas. A major reason why Nigeria has been slipping down the FDI ladder is because of reduced activity onshore by oil and gas companies. Most have divested offshore and that is the major reason why our FDI is now paltry. Or are you not aware that Nigeri's FDI has gone comatose since APC took office?

Oga FDI is categorized as part of capital importation even by NBS. Stop saying what you dont know.

Even if you go around in most countries, you will also see them group FDI as part of capital importation so I dont understand what you are talking about.

Youre affecting my brain cell. So you know most oil companies are divesting from oil and you continue to parrot it that oil and gas is the highest source of FDI into Nigeria? Is it Nigeria fault that companies are divesting from oil to other alternatives?

Even in USA, oil companies are divesting and USA government is now pushing aggressively towards electric cars and etc considering how much tax break they are giving people for ditching oil powered cars.

Stop entering into argument when you dont have enough experience in the field. It will save you from regular straw man that you always engage in.
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by Kukutente23: 5:34pm On May 16
LegendHero:

Can you provide one of such statistics that put Rivers or the SouthSouth(Eastern Region) as being the largest revenue generating region in the country? Below is the marketing board statistics between 1954-1961, the Western region clearly accumulated the most among the regions. It is even by far.

Even for Parm Kernel, the Western region should produce the highest output back then so I am surprised that youre grouping Rivers as the highest producer in their Eastern Region.

I dont need Google. When I talk, I give my sources. Think like a researcher, give your own sources to always back your claims too.
It seems you are not only poor at maths but also at history. Are you aware that the Western region had parts of South south up to delta included?
Are you aware that 1954-1961, Nigerian trade was mostly controlled by indigenes with their shenanigans especially the marketing boards?
Below is the export of oil palm from 1900-1944 and that of cocoa which is the major export of the West. See the volumes? I have been trying to lay my hands on income from colonial office in that period before amalgamation. Unfortunately, I've misplaced some of the records I had that showed southern protectorate was the richest before it was merged with Lagos protectorate in 1911.
Even from your records, you can see how much oil palm generates compared to cocoa.

Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by Kukutente23: 5:42pm On May 16
LegendHero:


Oga FDI is categorized as part of capital importation even by NBS. Stop saying what you dont know.

Even if you go around in most countries, you will also see them group FDI as part of capital importation so I dont understand what you are talking about.

Youre affecting my brain cell. So you know most oil companies are divesting from oil and you continue to parrot it that oil and gas is the highest source of FDI into Nigeria? Is it Nigeria fault that companies are divesting from oil to other alternatives?

Even in USA, oil companies are divesting and USA government is now pushing aggressively towards electric cars and etc considering how much tax break they are giving people for ditching oil powered cars.

Stop entering into argument when you dont have enough experience in the field. It will save you from regular straw man that you always engage in.
How does it make sense to categorise FDI as part of capital importation? Kindly show where NBS grouped fdi under capital importation.

When Nigeria had FDI at its highest ebb, it was oil and gas that was most active. It's meaningless to compare divestment in the US from oil and gas to electric cars with divestment from oil and gas onshore by IOCs to offshore drilling. It's obvious you don't understand what's being discussed. Is offshore drilling not also part of oil and gas?
Even US is still paying for drilling in new federal land so your divestment story is massively exaggerated.
The point is, when Rivers booms, Nigeria booms as well. At the height of the Niger delta militancy in 2000s, the most affected state was Rivers and Nigeria suffered for it badly. When global financial crisis and banks failure occurred in the late 2000s, Nigeria hardly felt a thing. Get it now?
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by LegendHero(m): 5:43pm On May 16
Kukutente23:

It seems you are not only poor at maths but also at history. Are you aware that the Western region had parts of South south up to delta included?
So what part was Bonny, Opobo, and Brass included in? Did you not mentioned them as the richest zone in your analogy?

Are those not part of the Eastern region? Imagine you lecturing me about regions lol. Seems you dont know who you talking to.

So why are you bringing part of Delta when those Bonny, Opobo, Brass you mentioned were clearly in Eastern region?

Below is the screenshot of your post. Stop running away from your statements. Stop engaging in intellectual dishonesty.

Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by LegendHero(m): 5:51pm On May 16
Kukutente23:

Are you aware that 1954-1961, Nigerian trade was mostly controlled by indigenes with their shenanigans especially the marketing boards?
Below is the export of oil palm from 1900-1944 and that of cocoa which is the major export of the West. See the volumes? I have been trying to lay my hands on income from colonial office in that period before amalgamation. Unfortunately, I've misplaced some of the records I had that showed southern protectorate was the richest before it was merged with Lagos protectorate in 1911.
Even from your records, you can see how much oil palm generates compared to cocoa.

Lol see this guy trying to be clever by half.

Every intellectual understood that Cocoa was introduced into the Nigeria colony at a later time compared to the palm variants which explained why youll have more exports at the early 1900s for palm compared to later exports for cocoa.

Even in the chart you shared, it wasnt grouped by region because you should know that Western Region also produce lot of palm kennels and infact produced more than the Eastern region for most years.

In my chart, youll clearly see Western region did more parm kernels than every other region within the years in view. Also in the royal accumulations by marketing boards, you can clearly see the overall figures for those range of years.

Bro, Ive argued this at the highest academic level, Western region is by far the richest of the regions during the period which Nigeria operated in region. Even Azikiwe knew this. Why are you arguing against it?

You have nowhere to hide here. Just admit your intellectual dishonesty and I can free you.

Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by LegendHero(m): 5:54pm On May 16
Kukutente23:

How does it make sense to categorise FDI as part of capital importation? Kindly show where NBS grouped fdi under capital importation.

I come dey pity you. You dont even do simple research before engaging a whole Legendhero.

Below is where NBS categorize FDI under capital importation. Infact, all the NBS report theyve been releasing for years captured same every year.

Now where are you shifting the goalpost to again

https://nigerianstat.gov.ng/download/1241454

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Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by Kukutente23: 10:24am On May 17
LegendHero:


I come dey pity you. You dont even do simple research before engaging a whole Legendhero.

Below is where NBS categorize FDI under capital importation. Infact, all the NBS report theyve been releasing for years captured same every year.

Now where are you shifting the goalpost to again

https://nigerianstat.gov.ng/download/1241454
Well, it's an anomaly to Nigeria because the right word to use is capital inflow. Check most economics statistics and even govt website. WHat you will see is capital inflow and outflow. https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/financial-flows-to-the-united-states-in-2022-was-there-fragmentation-20230804.html

The above is from the US federal reserve.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/capital-flows?continent=america This is also from a global trade site. So what are we calling outflow in Nigeria? Capital exports? grin grin

Though I understand the appellation came from teh CBN's characterization of such funds. However, the CBN used the word capital importation mainly for loans and not investment. https://www.cbn.gov.ng/out/2012/circulars/ted/ted.fem.fpc.gen.01.014.2012.pdf

So while you are right that NBS uses capital importation to describe FDI, the term in use generally is Capital inflow.
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by Kukutente23: 10:38am On May 17
LegendHero:


Lol see this guy trying to be clever by half.

Every intellectual understood that Cocoa was introduced into the Nigeria colony at a later time compared to the palm variants which explained why youll have more exports at the early 1900s for palm compared to later exports for cocoa.

Even in the chart you shared, it wasnt grouped by region because you should know that Western Region also produce lot of palm kennels and infact produced more than the Eastern region for most years.

In my chart, youll clearly see Western region did more parm kernels than every other region within the years in view. Also in the royal accumulations by marketing boards, you can clearly see the overall figures for those range of years.

Bro, Ive argued this at the highest academic level, Western region is by far the richest of the regions during the period which Nigeria operated in region. Even Azikiwe knew this. Why are you arguing against it?

You have nowhere to hide here. Just admit your intellectual dishonesty and I can free you.

That's a lie. Even secondary school social studies teaches that the main cash crops in Nigeria was cotton and groundnut from the North, cocoa from the West and oil palm from the East of which the main areas is that known today as South South.

And where is palm kernel in your chart? The other chart that had palm kernels clearly showed that the East had more palm produce than the West. You are only holding on to palm kernel because that's what fits your narrative. Meanwhile everyone knows that up to Delta state today which is clearly South South was part of your Western region. That's intellectual fraud to be honest.

The Western region was the richest region after regions were created. When we had protectorates, the Southern protectorate was richer than Lagos protectorate. That's a fact. In fact, the Lagos-Kano rail was delayed until after amalgamation of the Southern protectorate with the Lagos protectorate because Lagos alone could not finance it. You are looking at only 6 years of regional govt from 1954 to 1961 when a good part of South south was addeed to Western region while i am telling you of 1900 to 1944. You should be able to decipher the difference
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by LegendHero(m): 6:29pm On May 17
Kukutente23:


That's a lie. Even secondary school social studies teaches that the main cash crops in Nigeria was cotton and groundnut from the North, cocoa from the West and oil palm from the East of which the main areas is that known today as South South.
Yes, but parm Kernel is also part of the palm family. Western region (Edo/Delta/Ondo/Ekiti) axis included in the Western region produced lot of parm kernels during those period and the output surpassed those of the Eastern region.

For simplicity, Nigeria syllabus for school students are always simplified which explain why most people impulsively mentionIgbo, Yoruba, and Hausa when the talk of tribe occur. So them simplifying palm oil, groundnut, cocoa, does not mean the west dont produced palm kernel with the largest output. Palm oil and palm kernel are different.

And where is palm kernel in your chart? The other chart that had palm kernels clearly showed that the East had more palm produce than the West. You are only holding on to palm kernel because that's what fits your narrative. Meanwhile everyone knows that up to Delta state today which is clearly South South was part of your Western region. That's intellectual fraud to be honest.

Intellectual fraud is not me saying Western Region has the highest output of parm kernels. Check the chart below again and youll see where the West produce/sold more output than the East. Stop arguing like a kid bro, palm oil and parm kernel are two variant. Yoruba call kernel (Ekuro) and palm oil (epo pupa) even till now, youll still see remnant of those seed along Ekiti/Ondo axis. Edo axis produced huge palm then for the Western region.

The Western region was the richest region after regions were created. When we had protectorates, the Southern protectorate was richer than Lagos protectorate. That's a fact. In fact, the Lagos-Kano rail was delayed until after amalgamation of the Southern protectorate with the Lagos protectorate because Lagos alone could not finance it. You are looking at only 6 years of regional govt from 1954 to 1961 when a good part of South south was addeed to Western region while i am telling you of 1900 to 1944. You should be able to decipher the difference

Lol, this just shows you dont even understand Nigeria. Western region was part of Southern protectorate and Lagos colony is a different body entirely from the Southern protectorate.

Southern protectorate = Eastern + Western Region
Lagos Colony = Some part of current Lagos

It was not until 1906 that Lagos colony was added to the Southern protectorate and renamed Colony and Protectorate of Southern Nigeria.

So when you hear people mention that Southern protectorate is richer, they are talking about Yoruba, Igbo, and all ethnic states within those Southern Nigeria except Lagos colony (a part of Lagos).

I have been conversing with someone wey no even sabi basic stuffs about Nigeria.

Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by LegendHero(m): 6:33pm On May 17
Kukutente23:

Well, it's an anomaly to Nigeria because the right word to use is capital inflow. Check most economics statistics and even govt website. WHat you will see is capital inflow and outflow. https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/financial-flows-to-the-united-states-in-2022-was-there-fragmentation-20230804.html

The above is from the US federal reserve.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/capital-flows?continent=america This is also from a global trade site. So what are we calling outflow in Nigeria? Capital exports? grin grin

Though I understand the appellation came from teh CBN's characterization of such funds. However, the CBN used the word capital importation mainly for loans and not investment. https://www.cbn.gov.ng/out/2012/circulars/ted/ted.fem.fpc.gen.01.014.2012.pdf

So while you are right that NBS uses capital importation to describe FDI, the term in use generally is Capital inflow.

We are in Nigeria bro. When you argue on intellectual space, you speak based on Nigeria terminologies so as to not to cause any ambiguity.

If I go to USA Today and start telling a guy that Texas has low IGR, he might look at me like what is this guy saying. Thats because some nations have terminologies they use which might not necessarily be the common one.
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by Kukutente23: 11:11pm On May 18
LegendHero:

Yes, but parm Kernel is also part of the palm family. Western region (Edo/Delta/Ondo/Ekiti) axis included in the Western region produced lot of parm kernels during those period and the output surpassed those of the Eastern region.

For simplicity, Nigeria syllabus for school students are always simplified which explain why most people impulsively mentionIgbo, Yoruba, and Hausa when the talk of tribe occur. So them simplifying palm oil, groundnut, cocoa, does not mean the west dont produced palm kernel with the largest output. Palm oil and palm kernel are different.



Intellectual fraud is not me saying Western Region has the highest output of parm kernels. Check the chart below again and youll see where the West produce/sold more output than the East. Stop arguing like a kid bro, palm oil and parm kernel are two variant. Yoruba call kernel (Ekuro) and palm oil (epo pupa) even till now, youll still see remnant of those seed along Ekiti/Ondo axis. Edo axis produced huge palm then for the Western region.



Lol, this just shows you dont even understand Nigeria. Western region was part of Southern protectorate and Lagos colony is a different body entirely from the Southern protectorate.

Southern protectorate = Eastern + Western Region
Lagos Colony = Some part of current Lagos

It was not until 1906 that Lagos colony was added to the Southern protectorate and renamed Colony and Protectorate of Southern Nigeria.

So when you hear people mention that Southern protectorate is richer, they are talking about Yoruba, Igbo, and all ethnic states within those Southern Nigeria except Lagos colony (a part of Lagos).

I have been conversing with someone wey no even sabi basic stuffs about Nigeria.

Fa Fa foul!! You got it totally wrong. Lagos colony consisted of the Western region beyond Lagos. It was because of that that the rail was supposed to terminate at Osogbo. You obviously mistook Lagos colony to assume it contained Lagos alone. Check below a quote from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Nigeria_Protectorate

I have been able to lay hands on one of the books. Check the imports and exports for 1908-1909. You can see that only the West had more imports than exports for both years which clearly indicates a trade deficit. Also, you can clearly see that the Eastern province had the highest volume of exports and that is the present south south region of the country.

You need to upgrade your knowledge of history

Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by LegendHero(m): 11:37pm On May 18
Kukutente23:


Fa Fa foul!! You got it totally worng. Lagos colony consisted of the Western region beyond Lagos. It was because of that that the rail was supposed to terminate at Osogbo. You obviously mistook Lagos colony to assume it contained Lagos alone. Check below a quote from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Nigeria_Protectorate

I have been able to lay hands on one of the books. Check the imports and exports for 1908-1909. You can see that the West had more imports than exports for both years which clearly indicates a trade deficit. Also you can clearly see that the Eastern province had the highest volume of exports and that is the present south south region of the country.

You need to upgrade your knowledge of history

Nope, Lagos colony is Lagos colony and it was only a population of 60k people as at when that colony was formed. Are you saying Yoruba people are 60k in population back in 1862 when Lagos colony was formed?

Some of the other Yoruba states mentioned was only during the Yoruba civil war and that was when some of them were subsumed into Lagos colony until 1906 when the true Southern Nigeria protectorate was formed. Even your own Wikipedia point you to that so I dont understand why youre arguing.

Now ask yourself, when Lagos colony was formed in 1862 and had 60k population, those other Yoruba states, which protectorate are they grouped into then before the civil war? Or are they free from any protectorate?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagos_Colony

@the bolded, In your photo you shared, the annotation says the Central province have capital in Warri which I will guess will be the Delta/Edo axis which later got subsumed into the Western region for most of the territories. So if youre going to do you mathematics, you need to sum that up with the Western province to get true picture of which have ether largest export between what would later be called Western & Eastern region.

Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by Kukutente23: 11:52pm On May 18
LegendHero:


Nope, Lagos colony is Lagos colony and it was only a population of 60k people as at when that colony was formed. Are you saying Yoruba people are 60k in population back in 1862 when Lagos colony was formed?

Some of the other Yoruba states mentioned was only during the Yoruba civil war and that was when some of them were subsumed into Lagos colony until 1906 when the true Southern Nigeria protectorate was formed. Even your own Wikipedia point you to that so I dont understand why youre arguing.

Now ask yourself, when Lagos colony was formed in 1862 and had 60k population, those other Yoruba states, which protectorate are they grouped into then before the civil war? Or are they free from any protectorate?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagos_Colony

@the bolded, In your photo you shared, the annotation says the Central province have capital in Warri which I will guess will be the Delta/Edo axis which later got subsumed into the Western region for most of the territories. So if youre going to do you mathematics, you need to sum that up with the Western province to get true picture of which have ether largest export between what would later be called Western & Eastern region.
Even your Wikipedia screenshot confirms that the colony was extended over almost all of Yorubaland between 1890 to 1897. Why did you choose to be intentionally blind to that part? Meanwhile, the screenshot I gave you was for 1908 to 1909 when the two protectorate were already merged, with divisions of Western, Central and Eastern provinces carved for easier administration.

It is intellectual fraud and dishonesty to be asking for delta and Edo to be added to Western region. They were never part of Western region aka Lagos colony in the first place. They were added to Western region to balance the books and the province fought against it till Midwestern region was later created. That's what I told you in the beginning. It was Edo and Delta that shored up value of palm produce in the Western region from 1954 to 1961 that you posted. Here that they are standing alone, you can clearly see that only Western region had a trade deficit among the three provinces that made up the Southern colony and protectorate.
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by LegendHero(m): 2:04am On May 19
Kukutente23:

Even your Wikipedia screenshot confirms that the colony was extended over almost all of Yorubaland between 1890 to 1897. Why did you choose to be intentionally blind to that part? Meanwhile, the screenshot I gave you was for 1908 to 1909 when the two protectorate were already merged, with divisions of Western, Central and Eastern provinces carved for easier administration.
Oh so you admit that Lagos colony was totally different before until some other parts of Yorubaland was added. So what are are we arguing about. Territories expand and contract, so its normal they add and remove as they restructure.

It is intellectual fraud and dishonesty to be asking for delta and Edo to be added to Western region. They were never part of Western region aka Lagos colony in the first place. They were added to Western region to balance the books and the province fought against it till Midwestern region was later created. That's what I told you in the beginning. It was Edo and Delta that shored up value of palm produce in the Western region from 1954 to 1961 that you posted. Here that they are standing alone, you can clearly see that only Western region had a trade deficit among the three provinces that made up the Southern colony and protectorate.

There is nothing like intellectual dishonesty here. It is just that you jump around and you make people lose track of argument.

Your initial assertion was about Rivers state which explained why you listed Bonny and etc as being the richest and bla bla bla which you later extended to the Southern region. We are arguing retrospectively here because your argument was Todays rivers was the richest in Nigeria than Lagos during the region.

I mentioned Delta/Edo Central province to support my argument that states of Western region of old are the richest and not your said Rivers. Even the screenshot you provided never gave any assertions to Rivers wealth as you initially claimed for this thread.

Give up the argument already. Lagos is not rivers state mate in anything. Rivers is not even the largest producer of crude oil so I dont understand what metrics you are using to rate rivers over Lagos.
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by Kukutente23: 7:33am On May 19
LegendHero:

Oh so you admit that Lagos colony was totally different before until some other parts of Yorubaland was added. So what are are we arguing about. Territories expand and contract, so its normal they add and remove as they restructure.



There is nothing like intellectual dishonesty here. It is just that you jump around and you make people lose track of argument.

Your initial assertion was about Rivers state which explained why you listed Bonny and etc as being the richest and bla bla bla which you later extended to the Southern region. We are arguing retrospectively here because your argument was Todays rivers was the richest in Nigeria than Lagos during the region.

I mentioned Delta/Edo Central province to support my argument that states of Western region of old are the richest and not your said Rivers. Even the screenshot you provided never gave any assertions to Rivers wealth as you initially claimed for this thread.

Give up the argument already. Lagos is not rivers state mate in anything. Rivers is not even the largest producer of crude oil so I dont understand what metrics you are using to rate rivers over Lagos.
What do you mean by Lagos colony was different? You want to add lies to your claims now? Here's what you wrote with full confidence:
LegendHero:

Lol, this just shows you dont even understand Nigeria. Western region was part of Southern protectorate and Lagos colony is a different body entirely from the Southern protectorate.

Southern protectorate = Eastern + Western Region
Lagos Colony = Some part of current Lagos


I have been conversing with someone wey no even sabi basic stuffs about Nigeria.
You clearly claimed that the West was part of Southern protectorate and not Lagos colony when that never happened. Lagos colony included almost all parts of Yorubaland. No Yorubaland was part of Southern protectorate while Lagos colony existed. Just admit your ignorance and move on.

I did not shift anywhere. I was just responding to your wild claims. You claimed that the West has always been the richest part of Nigeria and I corrected you that it's not so. The south south is actually the richest part of Nigeria and their main produce before oil was palm. You then went and brought a 1954 palm produce page to buttress your claim when we all know that some south south parts were added to the west to form Western region then.
The point I was making then was that even Lagos was benefitting from the riches of the south south. Just as it is till today. Rivers is richer than Lagos and Lagos is actually taking from it like other parts of the federation is doing which is what has slowed their development. That war my point.
Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by LegendHero(m): 4:26pm On May 19
Kukutente23:

What do you mean by Lagos colony was different? You want to add lies to your claims now? Here's what you wrote with full confidence:

You clearly claimed that the West was part of Southern protectorate and not Lagos colony when that never happened. Lagos colony included almost all parts of Yorubaland. No Yorubaland was part of Southern protectorate while Lagos colony existed. Just admit your ignorance and move on.

I have told you that Lagos colony was Lagos colony, it only expanded at some point. You should understand Lagos colony have been in existence since the 1862 and due to the civil war of Yorubaland, that was what let to Oyo empire being subsumed into it in the 1895 before they all got merged as Southern Nigeria in 1906. How can you call something that was merged at a later preceding lahos colony demise as being part of it boldly like they were formed together as a whole? Land acquisition was too rapid during colonial era as all those Royal Nigeria company, the British government, French, and etc fought for lands and take ownership of territories.

I did not shift anywhere. I was just responding to your wild claims. You claimed that the West has always been the richest part of Nigeria and I corrected you that it's not so. The south south is actually the richest part of Nigeria and their main produce before oil was palm. You then went and brought a 1954 palm produce page to buttress your claim when we all know that some south south parts were added to the west to form Western region then.
The point I was making then was that even Lagos was benefitting from the riches of the south south. Just as it is till today. Rivers is richer than Lagos and Lagos is actually taking from it like other parts of the federation is doing which is what has slowed their development. That war my point.
South South was never the richest at any point. Nothing in our argument and all the data point we listed on this thread point to that. Stop saying nonsense, palm oil is not the only produce, we have palm kernel and cocoa came at a later year. So how can you call one rich due to palm oil alone?

Rivers is not rich as Lagos, stop saying what you cant defend with data. The GDP, revenue, and everything Lagos generate surpass river own. Newyork does not have any crude and yet it is richer than most states in USA.

That you have crude oil do not mean you must be richer than one without. Lagos is taking from crude oil proceed but Lagos is returning back into to the nation purse through the many tax taken from her port by the FG.

Rivers is not even the highest crude oil producer so if youre going to use crude to measure wealth, then Delta should be the richest according to your logic. In every economic metrics, Lagos is richer than Rivers.

Do you want us to now tabulate data on every economic indices and then compare Lagos and Rivers state? True data will clear all doubt.

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Re: Every Governor In Rivers Fights The Next One; It's Spiritual Problem - Ibiyeomie by Kukutente23: 9:05pm On May 19
LegendHero:

I have told you that Lagos colony was Lagos colony, it only expanded at some point. You should understand Lagos colony have been in existence since the 1862 and due to the civil war of Yorubaland, that was what let to Oyo empire being subsumed into it in the 1895 before they all got merged as Southern Nigeria in 1906. How can you call something that was merged at a later preceding lahos colony demise as being part of it boldly like they were formed together as a whole? Land acquisition was too rapid during colonial era as all those Royal Nigeria company, the British government, French, and etc fought for lands and take ownership of territories.


South South was never the richest at any point. Nothing in our argument and all the data point we listed on this thread point to that. Stop saying nonsense, palm oil is not the only produce, we have palm kernel and cocoa came at a later year. So how can you call one rich due to palm oil alone?

Rivers is not rich as Lagos, stop saying what you cant defend with data. The GDP, revenue, and everything Lagos generate surpass river own. Newyork does not have any crude and yet it is richer than most states in USA.

That you have crude oil do not mean you must be richer than one without. Lagos is taking from crude oil proceed but Lagos is returning back into to the nation purse through the many tax taken from her port by the FG.

Rivers is not even the highest crude oil producer so if youre going to use crude to measure wealth, then Delta should be the richest according to your logic. In every economic metrics, Lagos is richer than Rivers.

Do you want us to now tabulate data on every economic indices and then compare Lagos and Rivers state? True data will clear all doubt.
So which colony was the rest of the West if you insist they were not under Lagos colony?
You clearly claimed that Lagos colony was for Lagos alone and the rest of the west was under Southern protectorate. So can you tell me when the West was moved back to Lagos colony from southern protectorate? For your info, even the Southern protectorate did not cover all of the East until the 1920s. There was resistance from the Easterners. So using the fact that they were not part of Lagos colony as cover for your wrong assumption of the West being part of Southern protectorate is just clutching at straws.

I have already shown you with evidence that the south south was the richest region in Nigeria. Even the historical facts back it up. As at the 16th century, South south was already trading with Europeans. The first set of educated Nigerians were from South south. I have shown you export and import data that shows the West even had a trade deficit compared to the Southern region who had a surplus.

Even your kernel data was referring to purchases and not revenue which is a meaningless parameter to measure wealth. And even at that, the south still topped except for kernel which was not in high demand. After palm produce came oil and South south still topped in that regard. Cocoa never measured up to palm produce as far as the colonial economy was concerned especially in Nigeria. It was Ghana that had the edge in cocoa. This is another fact of history.

Nigeria's main source of revenue since the 70s till today is oil. So how can you say having oil does not mean you're rich? The richest countries in the world ALL have oil. From the nordic countries to the Middle East to the Americas. Oil is tied to wealth.

Lagos is not as rich as Rivers. Lagos is benefitting from Rivers. Bring your data. You were the one harping on Onne not belonging to Rivers but now you're mentioning Lagos ports which majorly handle imports. Lagos economy is largely import dependent. GDP is not a measure of wealth but of economic activity. US has the largest GDP in the world but is not the richest country. Nigeria even when we had the largest GDP was not the richest in Africa. You can have GDP and still be poor just like Nigeria.

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