With all the turenchi from the labour unions, my own take is that do they take cognizance of the effect of the exorbitant wage demands on commodity prices, and on the general public who are not civil servants?

The whole of labour's razzmatazz is a fallacy

Many years ago, we were complaining to our Finance Director that our take home pay was not taking us home. He explained to us that the size of the rat is the size of her nestle. Labour should look at the size of the Federal Government budget before making demands

There are some fundamental flaws in the assumption of the labour union

1. They kept on talking about the family of 6 but they are negotiating minimum wage meant for entry level who are barely married so that their minimum wage should in fact be divided by 6 so the 100k appears fair As you grow up the ladder, the salary increase will take care of increase in family size

2. The labour union should promote productivity so they should not assume that only one family member draws salary from the Federal Government The spouse is expected to also be productive so you can not cunning rest all the responsibility on a member in your attempt to be aggressive in your negotiation

3.Some state governments are deeply in debt like the governor of one north western state mentioned at a time so after the deductions of debt from their faac, the rest is barely enough for salaries So how will they develop infrastructures and provide security?

4. How will professionals managing their various practice firms pay such humongous salaries to their drivers , secretaries and office assistant. Labour is thinking employers stops at Federal government? That is another fallacy

I think Federal Government should just negotiate a reduction in the number of days at work such that they will work shifts but the offices will be opened for five days and the rest days they can use it to go in pursuit of agriculture to augment their earning

helinues:
Toh

The state governors are just laughing at the Labour Union drama.

Ordinary N30K, the state governors are owning months, even sometimes self, they have to wait for bail out from FG before paying the salaries

Labour should come down from their high horse and be realistic for once

You people want to fuel inflation.

People on the streets are suffering oh. Don't increase the economic distress oh.

casualobserver:
NLC are comedians. I repeat the GDP per capita (the economic value of output ) of the average worker in Nigeria is N3m a year or N250k a month. This is the average worker not the lowest worker. Therefore the monthly economic output of a minimum wage worker is closer to N80k possibly even 40k. You cannot expect to be paid beyond your economic output.

I repeat we are a very inefficient economy with unproductive workers. If it takes 5 people to do the work that ordinarily 1 person should do, then the 5 will share the wages of 1 person. This is how economics works.

So that same Economics doesn't teach you about opportunity cost
.The Govt are receiving above 50m as monthly pay, doing nothing other than signing and over seeing the economy,

their their commissioners receive almost 5m per month, yet the ones that worked to pay taxes, are being paid a peanut #30+ per month, you are here shouting economics,


SMH

codedguy1:


But some people are collecting 35m per month so why can't sachet water and security collect ordinary 615k monthly.

Who go pay them? Abi you think say na only government workers the economy dey affect?

If you are saying it's unreasonable, is it reasonable that one senator that sits in the house 3times a week be collecting 35M monthly. Letmenot talk about ministers and Govs and their aids.

With all these you never said anything about inflation.

Let everyone be reasonable.

This is not the subject of discussion. NLC should fight for the reduction of that 35M!

Sterlingsolutns:
The whole of labour's razzmatazz is a fallacy

Many years ago, we were complaining to our Finance Director that our take home pay was not taking us home. He explained to us that the size of the rat is the size of her nestle. Labour should look at the size of the Federal Government budget before making demands

There are some fundamental flaws in the assumption of the labour union

1. They kept on talking about the family of 6 but they are negotiating minimum wage meant for entry level who are barely married so that their minimum wage should in fact be divided by 6 so the 100k appears fair As you grow up the ladder, the salary increase will take care of increase in family size

2. The labour union should promote productivity so they should not assume that only one family member draws salary from the Federal Government The spouse is expected to also be productive so you can not cunning rest all the responsibility on a member in your attempt to be aggressive in your negotiation

3.Some state governments are deeply in debt like the governor of one north western state mentioned at a time so after the deductions of debt from their faac, the rest is barely enough for salaries So how will they develop infrastructures and provide security?

4. How will professionals managing their various practice firms pay such humongous salaries to their drivers , secretaries and office assistant. Labour is thinking employers stops at Federal government? That is another fallacy

I think Federal Government should just negotiate a reduction in the number of days at work such that they will work shifts but the offices will be opened for five days and the rest days they can use it to go in pursuit of agriculture to augment their earning

The ones they had been promoting what had the FG done with it

Imagine going to to buy cars, when we have Innoson and some other car assembly plant,

importing furniture and fittings, when we had competent hands all over the country that can do such,

worst of them all is Food production, the main producers, (farmers) are being attacked and killed leave and right, yet the Govt had not done any tangible thing to it,

what more do you want from labour

AbuTwins:
This people no serious!

So how much will artisans collect now that minimum wage will be N615,000!

Sachet water/ factory workers!
Security men, etc!

Even the others above the minimum age will have to be increased to!

Inflation will rise the more!

some security in big organization earn more dan 100k here in lag! Access and dangote refinery pay security direct staff more dan 100k

Napoleon55:
The labour union should be serious and realistic also.
N615k is not realistic.

2009-2014 my monthly salary is 20,400, i will buy one bag of rice 5,200, with all spicy! i wil still saved 60%! 50% which is 10k go for my sch fee saving! Bcus am doing pt den! Now can 48k buy one bag of rice still save 60%??

membranus:
With all the turenchi from the labour unions, my own take is that do they cognizance of the effect of the exorbitant wage demands on commodity prices, and the general public who are civil servants?

manufaturer and farmers ve already increase price of dey re commodity

100k...is not bad

By now, there should have been a protest to challenge or question the incompetent rulers on why they are taking this country so backward. Revolution is necessary. It has reached it peak where Nigeriams can't take it any more . Even the rich men are in tears as a result of businesses collapsing. When they can't pay the minimum wage then why did they remove the subsidies.. What's stopping these idiots from building and maintain refineries.. Is oil the only revenue generation in our country or the only thing powering our cars and automobiles. Other countries have switched to hydroelectric or other means of powering thier vehicles.

muyico:
2009-2014 my monthly salary is 20,400, i will buy one bag of rice 5,200, with all spicy! i wil still saved 60%! 50% which is 10k go for my sch fee saving! Bcus am doing pt den! Now can 48k buy one bag of rice still save 60%??

The govt makes some stupid and rational decisions sometimes. They know they can't afford minimum wage for Nigerians but they removed subsidies to suffer the masses.. Thet need to do a coup d'etat for these wicked rulers..

[quote author=casualobserver post=130044242]NLC are comedians. I repeat the GDP per capita (the economic value of output ) of the average worker in Nigeria is N3m a year or N250k a month. This is the average worker not the lowest worker. Therefore the monthly economic output of a minimum wage worker is closer to N80k possibly even 40k. You cannot expect to be paid beyond your economic output.

I repeat we are a very inefficient economy with unproductive workers. If it takes 5 people to do the work that ordinarily 1 person should do, then the 5 will share the wages of 1 person. This is how economics works.

The government is just wasteful, hence above 100k is feasible.

helinues:
Toh

The state governors are just laughing at the Labour Union drama.

Ordinary N30K, the state governors are owning months, even sometimes self, they have to wait for bail out from FG before paying the salaries

Labour should come down from their high horse and be realistic for once

You are a clown 🤡🤡

Minimum wage being calculated based on the needs of a family of six.

Nigeria my country!

Mad people vs mad people.

muyico:
some security in big organization earn more dan 100k here in lag! Access and dangote refinery pay security direct staff more dan 100k

Minimum wage for the country cannot be calculated based on what lagos or Abuja pays. You need an average that reflects the majority of the states not the richest states.

States can choose to pay more than that. Minimum wage is meant to serve as the barw minimum, a baseline.

helinues:
Toh

The state governors are just laughing at the Labour Union drama.

Ordinary N30K, the state governors are owning months, even sometimes self, they have to wait for bail out from FG before paying the salaries

Labour should come down from their high horse and be realistic for once

Not surprised that you're playing politics with this wage talk as usual.

casualobserver:
NLC are comedians. I repeat the GDP per capita (the economic value of output ) of the average worker in Nigeria is N3m a year or N250k a month. This is the average worker not the lowest worker. Therefore the monthly economic output of a minimum wage worker is closer to N80k possibly even 40k. You cannot expect to be paid beyond your economic output.

I repeat we are a very inefficient economy with unproductive workers. If it takes 5 people to do the work that ordinarily 1 person should do, then the 5 will share the wages of 1 person. This is how economics works.

Yet your government spent 80 billion on Hajj subsidy, dey play. 🙄🙄

100k wey no even reach u to carry 2 olosho for 2 nights at an average hotel...

We are really suffering in this country...

The government will do anything to keep the citizens under their feet so that we can be looking up to them and worshipping them...

Na this same thing they're doing to the police...

Police should be amongst the highest paid outfits in this country due to the nature of the job (prone to death)...

But the government will keep giving dem stipend so as to keep the police in slavery position that they will keep serving dem like puppets...

Stop voting when election time comes...

Let dem choose themselves so that Una go fit fight dem battle-to-battle...

Since slavery is some of Una fate, make Una keep on dying for the government wey dey use Una destinies dey grow their own...

Negroid001:
100k wey no dey use 2 days for my hand.

Rich kid

abdsamad:


Minimum wage for the country cannot be calculated based on what lagos or Abuja pays. You need an average that reflects the majority of the states not the richest states.

States can choose to pay more than that. Minimum wage is meant to serve as the barw minimum, a baseline.

bag of rice is d same price tru out d federation! 2009-2014 my salary is 20,400, contract staff! 5,200 go for 1bag of rice, spicy 3k.den 7.5% go for my house rent monthly saving! Den i saved 50%! Now 250k is ok! =>85k go 4 1bag of rice, 15k for room and parlour monthly saving! 50k go 4 spicy and tf. Den saving 100k monthly isnt much. Just like 50% am saving during pdp era! Although 125k is d 50%! But let dem manage 100k

Dybala11:

Yet your government spent 80 billion on Hajj subsidy, dey play. 🙄🙄

freshboi88:


But the government has 90billion naira to send some selected persons to Hajj. Some of you ehn God will judge u

The fact that I waste my money on foolish things does not mean I should pay Houseboy more than the value of his work. If he decides to add to his value to me by adding for example cooking skills to his skill set, then he has added to his output and his economic value and I will pay him more.

This is all part of the sense of entitlement that bedevils the country. Ask your friends and relatives who have japad, every penny they earn abroad they work hard for.

While I believe govt has no business spending money on religious activities, anybody will spend his money the way they deem fit and on what they feel they derive value from. If your employer including the govt refuses to increase your salary beyond a certain level it is because they don’t think you have value beyond that level and if you leave they can replace you.

If I go to a nightclub and spend 6 times my houseboys salary on drinks, it does not mean my houseboy suddenly deserves a salary increase. His salary is dependent on his value to me in the job he does for me. What I spend on drinks is a reflection on the value of the drinks to me.

Let me give you all a hint in life: the easier it is to replace you in your job, the less economic value you have, the less you can demand a salary increase. Harsh but true. A laborer has no skills, his boss probably does not know his name, he goes nobody notices, a CEO, a good IT specialist, a good , doctor, engineer, architect etc resigns and there is panic “how do we replace him”. They are the ones that can bargain for salary not an unskilled worker or a poorly educated graduate. You can take what is on offer or leave it. If you want more then improve your output by working harder or acquiring skills. If you want to earn enough in life legally, you have 2 options 1) find a business or trade that is in demand or 2) make yourself valuable and indispensable as an employee..the key word is indispensable! If your job is to sit down at the supermarket exit tearing receipts as customers walk out, don’t make the mistake of overestimating your importance and asking for a salary increase or you could find yourself unemployed for even thinking of asking and someone else doing your job within 5 minutes.

casualobserver:
NLC are comedians. I repeat the GDP per capita (the economic value of output ) of the average worker in Nigeria is N3m a year or N250k a month. This is the average worker not the lowest worker. Therefore the monthly economic output of a minimum wage worker is closer to N80k possibly even 40k. You cannot expect to be paid beyond your economic output.

I repeat we are a very inefficient economy with unproductive workers. If it takes 5 people to do the work that ordinarily 1 person should do, then the 5 will share the wages of 1 person. This is how economics works.

But the government has 90billion naira to send some selected persons to Hajj. Some of you ehn God will judge u

Napoleon55:
The labour union should be serious and realistic also.
N615k is not realistic.

Is 720 naira for 1 liter of fuel realistic but it happens and we have moved on 615k is very realistic subsidy has been removed and they said it will be channeled to other things let them channel it to salary and wages.

casualobserver:




The fact that I waste my money on foolish things does not mean I should pay Houseboy more than the value of his work. If he decides to add to his value to me by adding for example cooking skills to his skill set, then he has added to his output and his economic value and I will pay him more.

This is all part of the sense of entitlement that bedevils the country. Ask your friends and relatives who have japad, every penny they earn abroad they work hard for.

While I believe govt has no business spending money on religious activities, anybody will spend his money the way they deem fit and on what they feel they derive value from. If your employer including the govt refuses to increase your salary beyond a certain level it is because they don’t think you have value beyond that level and if you leave they can replace you.

If I go to a nightclub and spend 6 times my houseboys salary on drinks, it does not mean my houseboy suddenly deserves a salary increase. His salary is dependent on his value to me in the job he does for me. What I spend on drinks is a reflection on the value of the drinks to me.

Let me give you all a hint in life: the easier it is to replace you in your job, the less economic value you have, the less you can demand a salary increase. Harsh but true. A laborer has no skills, his boss probably does not know his name, he goes nobody notices, a CEO, a good IT specialist, a good , doctor, engineer, architect etc resigns and there is panic “how do we replace him”. They are the ones that can bargain for salary not an unskilled worker or a poorly educated graduate. You can take what is on offer or leave it. If you want more then improve your output by working harder or acquiring skills. If you want to earn enough in life legally, you have 2 options 1) find a business or trade that is in demand or 2) make yourself valuable and indispensable as an employee..the key word is indispensable! If your job is to sit down at the supermarket exit tearing receipts as customers walk out, don’t make the mistake of overestimating your importance and asking for a salary increase or you could find yourself unemployed for even thinking of asking and someone else doing your job within 5 minutes.

All I see here is a lot of gibberish. Your first paragraph sums up your post.

So going by your analogy. Government will derive more value from spending money subsiding Hajj than increasing it's workers salary ?

freshboi88:


All I see here is a lot of gibberish. Your first paragraph sums up your post.

So going by your analogy. Government will derive more value from spending money subsiding Hajj than increasing it's workers salary ?

You are clearly not properly educated. What the government chooses to spend its money on and the wages a worker deserves are 2 separate issues that are not connected and that is the point. And yes government chooses to spend its money on Hajj because in its opinion(it is government that owns the money) it derives value from doing so. Whether you and I agree is a different issue that has no bearing on what the economic value of a Nigerian worker is.

Learn to make intellectual and not emotional arguments. Like I said what I spend my money on is no business of my houseboy. The only part of my money that is his business is his salary. If he feels I am paying him too low, he is free to resign and find someone who will pay him what he wants if he can find such. He likely won’t because his output is not worth was he is asking.

What you want and what you are worth are 2 different things. You cannot be worth more than the economic value of your output. I don’t know why this th8ng is so hard for you to grasp. The figures do not lie…….the average Nigerian worker has an economic output/value of N250k a month. How can the lowest worker then be worth anything close to that? This is not opinion this is fact.

GDP is $400b, population is 200m. Naira is 1500 to $1. GDP/ capita is N250k a month. Do the math yourself. If I am wrong please feel free to challenge me on my figures. If I am right explain to me why he should earn more than the economic value of his work, why a worker should be paid more than he deserves and where the money is supposed to come from?

LalastiklaIa:


Rich kid

Fr. After I clear bills and do normal, wetin remain?

casualobserver:


You are clearly not properly educated. What the government chooses to spend its money on and the wages a worker deserves are 2 separate issues that are not connected and that is the point. And yes government chooses to spend its money on Hajj because in its opinion(it is government that owns the money) it derives value from doing so. Whether you and I agree is a different issue that has no bearing on what the economic value of a Nigerian worker is.

Learn to make intellectual and not emotional arguments. Like I said what I spend my money on is no business of my houseboy. The only part of my money that is his business is his salary. If he feels I am paying him too low, he is free to resign and find someone who will pay him what he wants if he can find such. He likely won’t because his output is not worth was he is asking.

What you want and what you are worth are 2 different things. You cannot be worth more than the economic value of your output. I don’t know why this th8ng is so hard for you to grasp. The figures do not lie…….the average Nigerian worker has an economic output/value of N250k a month. How can the lowest worker then be worth anything close to that? This is not opinion this is fact.

GDP is $400b, population is 200m. Naira is 1500 to $1. GDP/ capita is N250k a month. Do the math yourself. If I am wrong please feel free to challenge me on my figures. If I am right explain to me why he should earn more than the economic value of his work, why a worker should be paid more than he deserves and where the money is supposed to come from?

You are talking without any atom of sense. Why will the government decide to spend money on Hajj which has no economic benefit to the country. Who benefits from Hajj ? Saudi Arabians, who benefits from a wage increase ? Nigerians.

I hope you can now see how senseless and daft you are.

freshboi88:


You are talking without any atom of sense. Why will the government decide to spend money on Hajj which has no economic benefit to the country. Who benefits from Hajj ? Saudi Arabians, who benefits from a wage increase ? Nigerians.

I hope you can now see how senseless and daft you are.

You are the one who has no sense. Workers make economic output Government spends on social programs. Government does not owe anybody a salary, government pays it’s workers for the work they do based on their output. Healthcare is a social program, education is a social program, whether it makes sense to you or me is irrelevant. It is like asking why is a worker spending his money on betting…..because it is his money and that is his choice! I have already said it many times that I am against any type of religious spending by government but that is neither here nor there. Spending money on pilgrimage is misplaced priority, it is not the reason the minimum wage is what it is. if they weren’t spending the money on pilgrimages it doesn’t mean they should divert it to unproductive workers. Also minimum wage is not just about government workers. If the money wasn’t going to pilgrimage it should go to education health or roads not unproductive workers. Your argument about Hajj has no relevance as to whether the minimum wage worker is WORTH the money they are demanding. That is a social programs spending priority issue.

You are diverting from the issue. I have asked if the average worker in Nigeria has an economic output of N250k a month or not. Yes or no. If that is so then why is a minimum wage worker who is well below the average entitled to anything more than N40-80k based on his output?

My whole argument is based on the economic output of the Nigerian worker. Until you can answer the question in bold I will not respond to you because everything else is just opinion. Sentiment and noise. I have given you a factual figure, dispute it with evidence, if you can’t you are just making noise and emotional El arguments of which I am done entertaining.

NOTE: I am not unsympathetic to fact that their wages are not enough to have a decent life. I am simply saying how can you do work of N40-80k of economic output and expect to be paid more? The figures do not lie.

You need to deal with the issue of what is the economic output of a Nigerian worker first before you go on to address why his economic value is not enough to sustain him. It is then that you will understand the problem which I have postulated from the start: the Nigerian worker generally but particularly lower down the ladder is unskilled, unproductive and inefficient and it takes 3,4,5,6 workers to do the work of 1 person so those workers end up sharing the salary of 1 person.

The reason the Nigerian worker is not paid much is because you don’t get much economic output out of him.

helinues:
Toh

The state governors are just laughing at the Labour Union drama.

Ordinary N30K, the state governors are owning months, even sometimes self, they have to wait for bail out from FG before paying the salaries

Labour should come down from their high horse and be realistic for once

So what's the realistic figure as regards the current inflation?

What's difficult in the government giving us Nigerians the breakdown of the minimum wage

Let's see how you spend 54k in a month and still have savings with a family

casualobserver:


You are the one who has no sense. Workers make economic output Government spends on social programs. Government does not owe anybody a salary, government pays workers for the work they do based on their output. Healthcare is a social program, education is a social program, whether it makes sense to you or me is irrelevant. It is like asking why is a worker spending his money on betting…..because it is his money and that is his choice! I have already said it many times that I am against any type of religious spending by government but that is neither here nor there. Spending money on pilgrimage is misplaced priority, it is not the reason the minimum wage is what it is. if they weren’t spending the money on pilgrimages it doesn’t mean they should divert it to unproductive workers. Also minimum wage is not just about government workers. If the money wasn’t going to pilgrimage it should go to education health or roads not unproductive workers. It has no relevance as to whether the minimum wage worker is WORTH the money they are demanding.

You are diverting from the issue. I have asked if the average worker in Nigeria has an economic output of N250k a month or not. Yes or no. If that is so then why is a minimum wage worker who is well below the average entitled to anything more than N40-80k based on his output?

My whole argument is based on the economic output of the Nigerian worker. Until you can answer the question in bold I will not respond to you because everything else is just opinion. Sentiment and noise. I have given you a factual figure, dispute it with evidence, if you can’t you are just making noise and emotional El arguments of which I am done entertaining.

NOTE: I am not unsympathetic to fact that their wages are not enough to have a decent life. I am simply saying how can you do work of N40-80k of economic output and expect to be paid more? The figures do not lie.

Shut up dunce.

Government does not owe anybody ? Imagine this mumu! So the people government employed they should work for free ? Every worker public or private is entitled to his or wages but I don't expect you to understand this because you are an illiterate who probably has a forged certificate.

Mind you, the money you claim belongs to government, actually doesn't belong to government, the wealth of the country belongs to every Nigerian. Government is out on place to manage the peoples resources. I hope you can see how daft you are.

I asked you a question which has more economic benefit to the country ? Spending money on Hajj or improving the living condition of its citizens.