yinkabeauty:


Yes there was/is demarcation, but this didn't/doesn't remove people from their land, that's my point.

Someone said we shouldn't have been together at all, that we should be in different countries entirely like Cameroon and Nigeria, not demarcation.

Antivirus92:
rubbish, Azuka can choose to copy or behave anyhow he likes but should leave igbo out of his madness.

Culture varies, orientation varies. What works for Yorubas may not work for the igbos and vice versa. Trying to promote one above the other is rubbish. Many Igbo business men will spit on you if u tell them to come and sit down idly drinking beers and gossiping. It's not in their nature and it's working for them. Azuka should shove his ideas down his as.s

Christistruth00:


You mean Yorubaland should have been one country as it was before for example?

Many Tribes are incompatible and may not be big enough to be a Country

The British had to enforce Order and Peace
before creating the Regions which were still not perfect

okoroemeka:
as an elder I think you are wrong on several points,first,it is not a must or part of traditional rite to drink,eat and play music in Igbo funerals,infact many communities has banned such,the major most important part of funerals in Igbo land that is most critical is the offering of goat to the extended family or kindred,they will kill the goat and eat it and it symbolizes a very important and critical part of a funeral ceremony,it means the complete severance of the deceased with the living,nobody will force you to feed or give them drinks in an Igbo burial ceremony but that goat is a must,,if you like you can give bottled water nobody will task you and also about the stress the igbos pass through,you must know that the whole of southeast can fit into one Yoruba state,that lack of resources and space made it essential that we must adapt to survive which means more hustling

DaddyCoool:


Why do you think Nigerians are different and envied by other Africans? Nigerians won't be Nigerians if it weren't for the rich mix of peoples and cultures. Nigeria and Nigerians would have been boring like others!

ASAPFERG:
God bless yorubas.

God punish the other tribe

Donbrowser9:


Aguinyi Ironsi put us in one country sir

yinkabeauty:


And the so called rich mix of peoples and cultures should be at the detriment of citizens ?
Boring and progressive is better than bubbling and problematic country.
Shey na only us get diversity for Africa?
gidgiddy

post=130068621:
This is a very good piece.
Interesting to read.

For emphasis sake,
Here we go....

IGBO/BIAFRA VS TINUBU/YORUBA:
TOLERANCE BECOMING A CRIME
By Dr Chinedu Akabuike

1. Why do we hate Tinubu?
What for?

2. Tinubu never worked with federal or Eastern Nigeria let alone stealing money from Ndi Igbo.
He never worked as Minister or taken any Federal Appointment!

3. He never joined APGA let alone sabotaging our Party's interest?

4. Tinubu didn't meddle in Igbo internal affairs either!

5. Why do we call him thief?
What did he steal?

6. We call Yoruba "slaves".
We never reflect on what it means to be slaves in the true sense of the word.

7. We are putting mouth in Lagos politics without caution, yet we have a proverb that says it is the foolish housefly that follows the corpse into the grave.

8. Can Yoruba man become an Association or Local Government Chairman in the East? Let us be sincere with ourselves.
Yet, we enjoy all these privileges here including Assembly Membership!


9. Why asking for what we can't give?

10. We are here helping the "slaves" to develop their land. Who then is a slave?
10b. You call their city a no man's land so that we can further be enslaved slaving to develop it, and our generations are wasted gloating over mere privileges.
Who is a slave?
Do we actually think?

11. Can Yoruba tell Okorocha "o to gee" in Owerri?
He doesn't even need it.
He is too intelligent to die for a pot of ofe manu or nothing.

12. After the civil war, for many of us who were old enough to have witnessed it, the Yoruba were the first to open their arms to receive and accept us as we were, crude savages in search for means of survival.
It was regardless of what we equally did to them before and during the civil war. No party to the civil war was innocent!
I also remember not paying any rent among Yoruba guys without a penny for my first 3years in Lagos and another 2 years in Ibadan.

13. Can we survive Yoruba attack in Yoruba land if they actually mean to?
Will an Mbaise man cooperate with the Nsukka or Afikpo, or the Imo with Anambara?

14. If we all decide to relocate at once, Babangida send me home phenomena is still in the memory of some of us who survived the incessant and uncontrollable spate of robbery across the Onitsha bridge.
How many people will want to go in spite of our empty pride?

15. If Yoruba people are as foolish as we foolishly think, why agitating?
How will agitating be to our benefit?

16. Why not "O to gee" in Abia, Enugu or Owerri?

17. Can a man from Aba become a Commissioner or Perm.Sec. in Enugu State Civil Service?
Yet it happened here!
Why not be careful.

18. We adopted APGA and but "wisely" voted PDP.
How was Tinubu our headache.
Was he the cause of our downfall?
Why always blame others for our inabilities and want to take glory for any small thing we think we have done well and even overblow it?

19. We claim we were so creative during the civil war.
Now history.
We also claim every made in Nigeria is from Aba.
But go to Oyo and Osogbo to see what "lazy" mechanics are doing quietly in the automobile industry, yet we make noise that other ethnics are either mumu or lazy except we (alagbara ma mero baba ole; the most hardworking humans who cannot develop their own land unfortunately).

20. Why looking for avoidable problem? Why?

21. It was you in the North being attacked, in Malaysia being killed, in Gabon and Ghana being molested. 99.9% of Nigerians killed in South Africa are of Igbo extraction, and sometimes by fellow 'hardworking' Igbo. Why?

22. We choose Kanu and he dictates to us without consultation with any one of us. They choose Tinubu who becomes a hero among them by bowing to or adopting the choice of their majority.

Why are we angry?
We chose Azikwe and they chose Awolowo.
How are they more mumuish followers than ourselves?
Zik became a President and we gained from it, Awo was only a Premier, but we are only struggling to beat their records in all ramifications including education till today.
How are they mumus?
We chose APGA and they chose APC, why agitating?

Yoruba are yet to say Tinubu is their problem why do we want to die for nothing?
Why working in APGA but planning to collect salaries in APC?

I pray for the success of Biafra, but do we still remember that as Igbo we will automatically become foreigners on the streets of the Lagos we call a no Man's land?

How many of us will actually want to relocate home, should Biafra actualises or if citizenship is on the condition that you relinquish all other citizenship in Africa?

I leave that answer to the individual.
Nwayo nwayo biko unu.

PHAYOL81:



Please stop re-writing history to your ethnicity propaganda. The BRITISH did their best by demarcating the amalgamation into regional sects so that each individual region can operate independently. The constitution our collective forebears came to accept at independence, with their assistance and after due consultation of all available regions gave each individual region options of secession （if need be in future）. THAT WAS UNTIL ONE VSELESS AND GODF0RSAKEN IGBO CREW ASSUMED POWER BY CROOK TO DISRUPT AND DESTROY THE SYSTEM. STVPID IRONSI WAS THE CULPRIT WHO MASTERMINDED OUR IRREVERTIBLE UNION, CHANGING THE CONSTITUTION. Others only play along. Now they're suffering for it and are calling out everyone else for the faults of their forebears. Even faraway Brits are not being spared. Never seen a tribe so confused or silly.

casualobserver:


You are delusional. The typical Yoruba man just wants to educate his children, have a profession or trade that gives him respect in society, after that party and have sex..his life is complete. You think people envy you for your money because your focus is money money at all costs. Very often we laugh at you because the majority of you don’t even know how to spend it with class. For instance you build large vulgar houses with tacky expensive furniture and ghastly exterior tiles. I mean who puts marble or toilet tiles on his exterior walls….an ibo man!!!


Trust me we are not envious of you, quite the contrary, you can only be envious of someone who has what you want and don’t have. A typical Yoruba man just wants enough money to be comfortable. If money meant that much to us, more of us would be doing drugs and fake products like you. I had an uncle who had a very successful business in the 70s to 80s, your people entered his territory with fake products and killed his business. When I was about to start a business I went to him for advice and asked why he didn’t join them or take them on. His response was he is a comfortable man, the only way to compete with them was to also sell fake or substandard products, he cannot destroy his reputation built over decades by joining them to sell fake or substandard products.

yinkabeauty:


Yoruba kingdom and territories we had in the past, just like other territories.

So if we have Yoruba nation today, can you compare the compatibility or homogeneity, the ones we have between Yoruba and igbo or Yoruba and Hausa?

yinkabeauty:


Aguiyi Ironsi didn't put you in the same country , the British did, Ironsi only ensured unitary government


gidgiddy

SonOfDSoil01:
I quite agree with you, but why must you lot have to cross Niger bridge to Lagos and Sw to make it in life…..even the trend of migration shows y’all would have died of hunger if not for the accommodating spirit of Yorubas

seunjungle1:
Is it Azuka that just showed madness right here or Antivirus92(you)?
You lack home training and that is the reason why you have no respect for your elders....people like you disgrace the good people among you guys.
Mad man.

yinkabeauty:


When awka, owerri or Enugu are exposed enough then we should have yoruba local government chairmen and legislators there, because they are still not exposed enough since then, only south west states are good enough for exposure and massive human flooding.....
The politics on Lagos is a special one in that some idiots and capital fools are with the assumption that Lagos is a "no man's land" and it's reflective in their disposition.

yinkabeauty:



I get your point, but let me make the following observations:

1. There was never a social contract in Nigeria. The peoples of Nigeria never negotiated a union that will be mutually beneficial to all tribes and languages. First, they were lumped together by the British, and more consequentially, when it became time for us to govern ourselves, we never collectively negotiated a constitution that will be the codification of our social contract and the foundation of our union. What we have a the 1999 constitution was a lopsided, fraudulent document that was foisted on us by Northern military rulers.

2. In Nigeria, tribalism and division are not as bad on a day-to-day basis. In living their daily lives, Nigerians interact with one another and inter-marry. Muslims marry Christians, Christians have Christian relatives and vice-versa (especially in the Middle Belt and in the South-West), corpers become roommates to other corpers of different tribe during youth service, and life-long friendships are formed. The pseudo-ethinic an religious division in Nigeria is POLITICAL for the most part. If there is a political will and concerted efforts, the reality of solidarity, which we already practice in our day-to-day lives, will be transferred to the political space. The case of Rwanda under Kagame is a good pointer to the fact that modern African states can overcome the scourge of triibalism and ethnic bigotry,

3. The concept of homogeneity is no longer sustainable in this 21st century. Migration is needed to boost economies of countries and countries can no longer afford to be hermit nations. Even Eastern European countries are beginning to open up. Also, the notoriously closed Asian countries are beginning to open up. In this current reality, the trend is to expand and form alliances, not the other way around.

4. The goal is not to strive towards homogeneity or destroy the uniqueness of the subnations, but to emphasize and affirm their uniqueness, and forge cooperation in issue of common interests like defense, international relations, international trade etc.... The goal is to form a nation that is based on the principle of subsidiarity.

5. A lot already joins the various peoples of Nigeria together. We have a common Nigerian culture that is forged from our various cultures, but transcends just one culture. That can be the basis of of unity.

6. Nationhood is formed on the basis of INTENTIONALITY. If we have leaders, who are inentional about nation building, they will put mechanisms in place to forge more unity of purpose. These can be done in the following ways: Fairness, Rule of Law ( legally enforcing laws against discrimination etc), Education, National Orientation (media, using influences etc...), economic integration, Sports investment ( a strong unifying force in Nigeria) etc...

7. Homogeneity is not a guarantor of unity. We see that in South Sudan's example.

yinkabeauty:

First, it's idiotic of you to tarnish a tribe just to make a point.
If you are making a supposedly good point then it's not neccesary to mar your points with this childish and unnecessary quote "Never seen a tribe so confused and silly".

Regionalism is not an outright independence of each other (i.e the regions) , they are still semi dependant on each other, one currency, one army, one country e.t.c
What the poster was saying is moment prior to that, the peoples should not have been lumped together, knowing that politics and fights may set in further...the British will release the goat but not leave the rope.....such division is what they thrive in, with their divide and explore tactics, the same British still ensure biaffra never got their freedom by actively engaged in holding them down.
The same happen in Anglophonic Cameroon why couldn't they grant independence to the region but still merged them with francophone Cameroon and today the problem is raging in Ambazonia, many have been killed in this fight for Independence of Ambazonia region in Cameroon till date, what sensible and hypermyopic people are saying is they should have considered diversity in lumping people together indiscriminately because prevention is better than cure.
We experienced the same here gowon , Ironsi and Co never allowed a step towards our regional independence rather they tighten the grip further via unitary government and creation of more States to weaken the region, if there was no foundation that allow it in the first place would there be any fight or struggle of self determination?
All what they are after is imperialism/financial gains with no recourse to ethnic identities or uniqueness.
gidgiddy

gidgiddy:


Please stop talking nonsense. It doesn't matter how you demarcate people, wether Region's, States, Provinces, Local governments if those people are in one country, they are in one country!

The point is that the British should not have have brought Igbos and Yorubas together in one country in very first place. They should have been in two different countries from the very start

As soon as the British left in 1960, both tribes have been fighting politically to this day, and will fight forever

It is people who are similar in ideology, thinking and value system that should be coming together to form countries, not people who are vastly different, such as Igbos and Yorubas

The mistake has been made. However, God will be merciful and divide Yorubas and Igbos into different countries in the future

Igbos and Yorubas have no business being together in one country

gidgiddy:
Yorubas and Igbos are as different as night and day, and that's why the British made a big mistake of putting both ethnic groups in one country

Yorubas and Igbos should have been in different countries

DonroxyII:
Igbos would have carted the Oils Away Which is not Good for British Industrial Businesses...

Hausa-Fulani-Yoruba are Meant to Check Igbo.
....

Oyinbo Ancestral Wizardry are Gbasky ... Imagine more than 100years ... They are still holding the Game Tight ....

They better managed us than we were treating ourselves ... It was an animalistic world for we Sub-Saharan Africans in the ancient worlds!

gidgiddy:


And in a hundred years, all Nigeria managed to achieve was to become world poverty capital and 8th most insecure country on earth, even with all your oil

DonroxyII:
Igbos would have carted the Oils Away Which is not Good for British Industrial Businesses...

Hausa-Fulani-Yoruba are Meant to Check Igbo.
....

Oyinbo Ancestral Wizardry are Gbasky ... Imagine more than 100years ... They are still holding the Game Tight ....

They better managed us than we were treating ourselves ... It was an animalistic world for we Sub-Saharan Africans in the ancient worlds!

NaijaPrince18:

As usual you’re always the victim. One day you’ll realize you were nothing but cannibals in the forest before the British and Yoruba came to civilize you and say thank you

PHAYOL81:


Your start is dramatic and shows a lot of traits from the other side. I won't put it pass the believe that the support comment here is also the brain behind the old comment I responded to. Same argument, same construct, same purpose, same mentality. And everything just blew your moniker out of the water （of deceit under which it submerged itself or rather, you submerged it）.
Away from that for a while, let's talk the main point of contention. That there ain't relationship between the regions prior to the amalgamation is a very wrong claim. Before amalgamation, the tribes had been interacting and migrating amongst and within themselves. Perhaps, you're fed with wrong fashion of history. The British saw regions which had peaceful co-existence with one another. Not many records of inter-tribal conflicts and battles despite the aforementioned relationship that was largely trade and economic related. What was common were clans or communities clashes or to put it in today's context, intra-tribal battles. So the Brits never saw your bitterness and hatred against others coming. Nnamdi Azikwe was born in northern Nigeria in 1904. His parents weren't the only people of Igbo descent there at the time. There were Igbo in Lagos before 1900, same way it was in Ibadan. And there were Northerners too. Records had it that Efunroye Tinubu （remember her？）married a Tapa indigent （from nowadays NIGER STATE）right around the mid 1800. Most northern agro exports took place at Lagos port and majority of our forebears （irrespective of tribe） born before amalgamation had their primary education in the old WESTERN REGION. So the British never saw any reason not to merged people who had had peaceful co-existence prior.
Of course, regionalism ain't sovereinty but the system gave each side independent enough, as having one currency, one army, one nation were and still are supposed to be strenght （amongst tribes who had shown no sign of hatred against another to the best of knowledge of the Brits）not problems. USA, UK practice such merger till today. In USA, the states independently enjoy fiscal and resource freehand which ensure they all develop in line with their capabilities and competitiveness. UK put sovereigns together but develop in their separate capacities too. Such was the good faith of the British that EVEN WHEN THEY WERE HANDING OVER, THEY ENSURED EACH REGION GOT AN OPTION TO QUIT THE MERGER. They weren't the problem, your people were and still are. There was no way they'd have known that you guys would turn bitter. They ain't seers. Even, the WET E unrest was a WESTERN REGION thing. It was between brothers under the same tribe but exhibiting vile against one another due to political differences until A CERTAIN IGBO GROUP TRICKED THE REST INTO INTER-REGIONS BLOODSHED THAT ENDED UP ENTHRONING ONE OF THEIRS. So the Igbos started the tribal conflicts. AND TO FURTHER SEAL THE WRONGS, IRONSI THAT WAS ENTHRONED CANCELLED NOT ONLY REGIONAL GOVERNMENT BUT THE SECESSION CLAUSE IN THE CONSTITUTION THE BRITISH ASSISTED US TO BUILD, CITING ITS DIVISIVE TENDENCY AS REASON. He must have thought they would be in control of all the nation's combined resources （NigerDelta oil that was beginning to generate money, North agricultural strenght that was generating a lot of wealth and above all, the Old Western Region agricultural, service, port and tax strenght that made them the leading and most developed and sought after region）to be expended as they deemed fit. But of course, the North had other ideas. The revenge was more than the IGBO could imagine.
But being silly, it's always the Yoruba's fault that they're in NIGERIA. Where you guys don't call out the Yoruba indigents, it's otherwise the BRITISH. Ironsi that actually cancelled out regionalism and the secession clause hardly get a mention despite being the main culprit. All you guys do is trying to wash that out of existence, as if it never happened. We know and we understand perfectly where the faults lies. Eni ti o ye ki e maa gbe sepe losan ati loru, e n wa gbe pamo ki awon eyan ma ri abukun re. O n tini loju fun yin.
Well if AWOLOWO's misdeed, and by extension, the Yoruba's misdeed, is the citation of your weakness during the civil war and the impact of the OBASANJO led troops to capture your region, then I say kudos to them FOR NOT ALLOWING A BLOATED EGO INVADE THE OLD WESTERN REGION WITH WAR THEY HAD HITHERTO DECIDED NOT TO BE A PARTY TO. IF THE FOILED ORE INVASION DIDN'T HAPPEN, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE RAISED A FINGER. So others ain't the problem, the genesis of all the drama was your forebears hate and poorly thought out strategies.
And lest I forget, seek a mirror now, look into it and the idiot you talk about will appear unblocked to your sight.

Antivirus92:
just same way you lots cross the same river niger into south east to make it in life

d142475:
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I get your point, but let me make the following observations:

1. There was never a social contract in Nigeria. The peoples of Nigeria never negotiated a union that will be mutually beneficial to all tribes and languages. First, they were lumped together by the British, and more consequentially, when it became time for us to govern ourselves, we never collectively negotiated a constitution that will be the codification of our social contract and the foundation of our union. What we have a the 1999 constitution was a lopsided, fraudulent document that was foisted on us by Northern military rulers.

2. In Nigeria, tribalism and division are not as bad on a day-to-day basis. In living their daily lives, Nigerians interact with one another and inter-marry. Muslims marry Christians, Christians have Christian relatives and vice-versa (especially in the Middle Belt and in the South-West), corpers become roommates to other corpers of different tribe during youth service, and life-long friendships are formed. The pseudo-ethinic an religious division in Nigeria is POLITICAL for the most part. If there is a political will and concerted efforts, the reality of solidarity, which we already practice in our day-to-day lives, will be transferred to the political space. The case of Rwanda under Kagame is a good pointer to the fact that modern African states can overcome the scourge of triibalism and ethnic bigotry,

3. The concept of homogeneity is no longer sustainable in this 21st century. Migration is needed to boost economies of countries and countries can no longer afford to be hermit nations. Even Eastern European countries are beginning to open up. Also, the notoriously closed Asian countries are beginning to open up. In this current reality, the trend is to expand and form alliances, not the other way around.

4. The goal is not to strive towards homogeneity or destroy the uniqueness of the subnations, but to emphasize and affirm their uniqueness, and forge cooperation in issue of common interests like defense, international relations, international trade etc.... The goal is to form a nation that is based on the principle of subsidiarity.

5. A lot already joins the various peoples of Nigeria together. We have a common Nigerian culture that is forged from our various cultures, but transcends just one culture. That can be the basis of of unity.

6. Nationhood is formed on the basis of INTENTIONALITY. If we have leaders, who are inentional about nation building, they will put mechanisms in place to forge more unity of purpose. These can be done in the following ways: Fairness, Rule of Law ( legally enforcing laws against discrimination etc), Education, National Orientation (media, using influences etc...), economic integration, Sports investment ( a strong unifying force in Nigeria) etc...

7. Homogeneity is not a guarantor of unity. We see that in South Sudan's example.

SonOfDSoil01:
hahaha this must be the biggest joke of the year yorubas going to a barren land where almost all there cursed people have japa from? Have you seen an american migrating to sudan in search of greener pastures? But the trend of migration from east to west proves otherwise can you get water from a desert? You must be a clown

Antivirus92:
you Can deceive yourself all you want but it does not change the truth. Your people are littered all over south east. There are more yorubas in anambra than there are igbos in osun

SonOfDSoil01:
the person deceiving himself here is you and you just making a mockery of yourself😂 the same Yoruba your deluded tribemen accuse of not travelling? For your info otondo, I served in owerri and throughout my stay, I could count how many Yorubas I came across in a day, even Hausas have more of there people in Se than Yorubas, Yorubas don’t migrate to a barren and less productive region😂 and leave there land filled with milk and honey to a desert region…you must be clown

Antivirus92:
here he comes again with their lying attitude. You did a census on yoruba people living in owerri right?
The only place in south west where they’re more Igbos than yorubas in the south east is logos. Your people are littered all over south east. But u can believe whatsoever to feel good

SonOfDSoil01:
shut the Bleep up with your lies, the same Yorubas you idiot mock that they don’t travel, suddenly have become people that migrate to SE😂😂 your migrant blodas re everywhere scattered in Sw and not just Lagos… wetin Yoruba man won find go desert? Maybe you meant Uk because we only travel to progressive countries and not a desert where their own people can’t even stay like they are chased by a demon….keep telling yourself that lie Otondo