thesicilian:
There is no concrete evidence that democracy is better than military rule

Except that your father, you, your children and grand children would be ruled better or worse by just one dictator and there's nothing all those your four generations can do about it. Dunce

Sapeleboy911:

Do you know what a military rule is? Imagine if endsars protest was during a military rule, even with our democratic setting can't you see what inhuman treatment our military personnel are melting in civilians all over the country? In a military rule, them nor born you well to call a military office holder thief be it offline or online.

You are right, that happens when there is truly we practicing a true democracy..
Otherwise it is just the same.
Don't you see what happens doing endsars, who ordered the military to shoot at the protesters

Now you are enjoy your candidate abi?

See as suffer don bend your corn head one corner


Preek

Paraman:
This is the kind of thing some bitter people want to happen in Nigeria because thier candidate lost an election

Namaster:


A SUPREMELY dumb thing to say.

As horrible as democracy has been in Africa. It's a GAZILLION times better than Military Rule.

In Democracy, Politicians embezzle money and misbehave. The masses protest. And politicians pretend they'll do better.

In Military Rule, Soldiers embezzle and misbehave. Anyone who protests will be MURDERED. And the Military will tell you they are Saints.

The scope of embezzlement perpetrated by Abacha will RUPTURE your mind.

The scope of PURE evil and brutality perpetrated by Idi Amin makes the Devil look like a cute puppy.

This is NOT a secondary school debate.

Only a person with MENTAL IMPAIRMENT will argue for Military Rule in Africa.

It's just dumb!

Or, perhaps someone who hasn't witnessed dictatorship. The person you quoted didn't witness Abacha's rule. He didn't read about Saddam Hussein or Idi Amin

Not sure he would make those 5yrs. A coup definitely would happen and then they accuse him of corruption and selling out to the Russians and Chinese.

thesicilian:

But that's exactly what happened during the 2020 EndSARS protest. So what's the difference you're trying to paint?
During the military rule there was law and order. Food was cheap. Transportation was cheap. Economy was not up to 100th as bad as it became when the civilians took over and started sharing money among their friends and family. Abacha stole a lot of money during his reign, and when part of that money was returned later by the Europeans, the civilian government shared it. So what's the difference?

How old are you? During Abacha's regime, people were using dried cassava peels to make cassava powder and using sawdust to cook. That was horrible the lives of masses were at the time, you should ask your parents

shoodboi2:
He should extend it as long as necessary until he is able to stabilize the country and cleanse it of French influence.

Decades of French rule has messed up Burkina Faso, and an election won't change anything. French-funded politicians will only throw money into the election, come into power, and continue the madness that the French-appointed dictators have been doing.

His attempt to sit tight in office for many years will cause him to entrench corruption even more. That's how it is usually play out

obedience4:
He will get dispose before the 5 year rule ends
Military coup always bring more coups
This is the rubbish people want for there country Nigeria.

He will become paranoid and start crushing any dissident, just watch out. Before you know it, we will have another Saddam Hussein or Idi Amin

Ladiesdoctor:
Good one

condensedmilk:
If he is transforming the nation positively then there's nothing to worry about.

You guys should continue watching

Paraman:
This is the kind of thing some bitter people want to happen in Nigeria because thier candidate lost an election

idiots everywhere keep suffering and smiling

Namaster:


A SUPREMELY dumb thing to say.

As horrible as democracy has been in Africa. It's a GAZILLION times better than Military Rule.

In Democracy, Politicians embezzle money and misbehave. The masses protest. And politicians pretend they'll do better.

In Military Rule, Soldiers embezzle and misbehave. Anyone who protests will be MURDERED. And the Military will tell you they are Saints.

The scope of embezzlement perpetrated by Abacha will RUPTURE your mind.

The scope of PURE evil and brutality perpetrated by Idi Amin makes the Devil look like a cute puppy.

This is NOT a secondary school debate.

Only a person with MENTAL IMPAIRMENT will argue for Military Rule in Africa.

It's just dumb!

oga in Nigeria between the military and civilian rule pls which one is better

thesicilian:

But that's exactly what happened during the 2020 EndSARS protest. So what's the difference you're trying to paint?
During the military rule there was law and order. Food was cheap. Transportation was cheap. Economy was not up to 100th as bad as it became when the civilians took over and started sharing money among their friends and family. Abacha stole a lot of money during his reign, and when part of that money was returned later by the Europeans, the civilian government shared it. So what's the difference?

Bro learn to ignore touts on the forum.


If endsars massacre happened during a military rule they will claim it is in the DNA of military rule but when it happened during their democrazy these idiots here running their mouths claimed it never happened.


During ibb people demonstrated in this country. So also during Abacha.


Why did they arrest people like fela, Gani et al. Just because someone criticized buhari, he was arrested. These mofos don't talk about it. It was military rule that reset Ghana. Mubarak was a military man. Check Egypt and check Nigeria. Ghadaffi was a military man before they killed him. Check Libya before the death of Ghadafi

maasoap:

He will become paranoid and start crushing any dissident, just watch out. Before you know it, we will have another Saddam Hussein or Idi Amin

You are right

shoodboi2:
He should extend it as long as necessary until he is able to stabilize the country and cleanse it of French influence.

Decades of French rule has messed up Burkina Faso, and an election won't change anything. French-funded politicians will only throw money into the election, come into power, and continue the madness that the French-appointed dictators have been doing.

Yeah I agree with you after cleansing the country of French influence he would replace it with Russian influence hmmm from one slave master to another

obedience4:



You are right

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He ain't no biologist
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okechuks22:
oga in Nigeria between the military and civilian rule pls which one is better

Civilian rule is better by far! Under democracy, we still have our freedom and people still dey abuse their leaders with little or no consequences. Under dictatorship, it is corruption and lack of freedom, 2 in 1 package

thesicilian:

What data?

Guy no pray for Military rule oo,black man heart evil especially wen e taste power not to talk of wen he wear kharki uniform.

This kharki boys no get joy at all o.

What have you benefited since the return of democracy??

Namaster:


A SUPREMELY dumb thing to say.

As horrible as democracy has been in Africa. It's a GAZILLION times better than Military Rule.

In Democracy, Politicians embezzle money and misbehave. The masses protest. And politicians pretend they'll do better.

In Military Rule, Soldiers embezzle and misbehave. Anyone who protests will be MURDERED. And the Military will tell you they are Saints.

The scope of embezzlement perpetrated by Abacha will RUPTURE your mind.

The scope of PURE evil and brutality perpetrated by Idi Amin makes the Devil look like a cute puppy.

This is NOT a secondary school debate.

Only a person with MENTAL IMPAIRMENT will argue for Military Rule in Africa.

It's just dumb!

43Ronin:

Bros all you mentioned here are sentiments mixed with lies. Saro wiwa and his crew were tried & sentenced for multiple homicides- they had protested and killed 6 ogoni chiefs dey claim were colluding with military govt to package Shell Money. I met one of the daughters of the slain chief and she narrated the entire episode to me. My mum was an Education officer in Nig Navy in ojo she used to buy food stuff from agboju market and so did many military men. In fact any soldier that was reported not paying for food stuff was severely dealt with & de-ranked. THERE WERE NO TOUTS IN LAGOS. For you to mention maitasine means you are most likely a yoruba Muslim. Maitasinne were Islamic religious extremists that started religious violence in the north & Abacha did what every leader would do, put down terrorism- in his famous words if terrorism last more than 24 hours govt hand is involved. Abacha was only hated becos he wasn't fulani and he arrested the head of the sokoto caliphate when he heard the guy was sympathetic to terrorist. Again put data side by side let's compare economic indices then and now despite Nigeria being in numerous sanctions

First and foremost, Nigeria was suspended from commonwealth of nations because of the mûrdèr of KSW, Mandela, Mugabe, Arap Diop, the UN etc all were against Nigerîà because of this same mûrdèr, shell stopped their plans to build liquefaction plant because of same mûrdèr, arms deal were suspended, ambassadors recalled from Nigeria, Nigeria missed AFCON 1996 because of the tension it generated between Nigeria and Sóuth Àfrîcà and consequently 1998 but according to ur beer parlour story this is what you are writing.
They were tried by a secret panel do you remember that?




Nigeria did not start and end in Ojo barracks, the fact that it didn't happen in Ojo barracks does not mean it was not happening in Kogi or Benue or Taraba or Ondo or Nasarawa or Delta etc.
I'm talking from experience.
Were you in Oshodi those years?
Were you in Onitsha?
Were you around all zones to confirm there were no touts?



Maitatsine was tackled by Buhari not Abacha, learn before you talk.

Princewell2012:


You are right, that happens when there is truly we practicing a true democracy..
Otherwise it is just the same.
Don't you see what happens doing endsars, who ordered the military to shoot at the protesters

Nobody would have dared to protest if it was a military rule. Because the order would have been shoot or maim at sight. We had the power to stage the protest because it wasn't a military rule.

thesicilian:
There is no concrete evidence that democracy is better than military rule

Well done look closer home and see the destruction done to Nigeria by the military. I believe it will be utterly impossible for the country to recover from the damage from 1966 to 1999. We are still reeling in the consequences of military rule.

JagabanB:

First and foremost, Nigeria was suspended from commonwealth of nations because of the mûrdèr of KSW, Mandela, Mugabe, Arap Diop, the UN etc all were against Nigerîà because of this same mûrdèr, shell stopped their plans to build liquefaction plant because of same mûrdèr, arms deal were suspended, ambassadors recalled from Nigeria, Nigeria missed AFCON 1996 because of the tension it generated between Nigeria and Sóuth Àfrîcà and consequently 1998 but according to ur beer parlour story this is what you are writing.
They were tried by a secret panel do you remember that?




Nigeria did not start and end in Ojo barracks, the fact that it didn't happen in Ojo barracks does not mean it was not happening in Kogi or Benue or Taraba or Ondo or Nasarawa or Delta etc.
I'm talking from experience.
Were you in Oshodi those years?
Were you in Onitsha?
Were you around all zones to confirm there were no touts?



Maitatsine was tackled by Buhari not Abacha, learn before you talk.

So why did you bring maitasine up? That I should be sympathetic to terrorists? So if sowore leads an insurrection that claimed the lives of the Ooni and his family he should be left to go scott-free because he's an activist? KSW & his crew caused a riot that murdered 6 ogoni chiefs(it's alleged the chifs were burnt alive in a car together) is KSW life more precious than the people he got killed? He killed those chiefs and paid for it according to the law of the land(wether Shell hand dey or not nobody can tell). Again leave sentimental talk and let argue with data. Nigeria's economy fared better under Abacha (whom Tinubu begged for commissioner) than currently under tinubu with lots of loand and no sanctions. The military were far from perfect but at least it's better than what we have now as democracy.

Realguyman1:
At the bolded, what privilege do the masses has to bring their leaders to book in Nigeria?

They can speak out, call out or stage a protest, the GEJ subsidy fiasco, #Endsars are perfect examples. If we put aside our own corruption, tribal, and religious differences we can come together and say NO when our leaders are acting shady, or making unfavorable policies.

Take a look at what is happening between NLC and the FG, there are lots we can do if we unite to fight our bad leaders.

Imagine our senators and house of rep members sharing wheelbarrows, black pots, and mats as constituency projects, some are even doing mass marriages of orphaned female children and people are applauding them.

Faposky95:


Got a pint but not the point.
All we are hoping for should be conceived in our lifetime.... remember ABAcha...pre and post death period, what did you think.....?
We have so forgotten that a foundation ought to have been built. The death of leaders like Bola Ige.....Funsho Williams....in Civilian rule and all are swept under.
The Military has always been brutal and so they've been in civilian clothing. So, we hope they die out, and then what , the cycle known only to our kind....put their offspring and we junket around Jericho in a hundred years.....?
Look, if wat I pray for is Justice, then by any means necessary .
The people who died in Biafra are still waiting theirs, and it's not that close.
Think

Yes, that will continue because a good majority of us will bow at their feet and that of their unborn kids? Imagine a lander complaining about the high cost of AC in 2024 400k vs 2015 50k, and another lander is telling him AC is not for poor men. For the country to get better we the masses have a lot of work to do, all thanks to Democracy.

Sapeleboy911:


Yes, that will continue because a good majority of us will bow at their feet and that of their unborn kids? Imagine a lander complaining about the high cost of AC in 2024 400k vs 2015 50k, and another lander is telling him AC is not for poor men. For the country to get better we the masses have a lot of work to do, all thanks to Democracy.

The Sykes we give ourselves like religion another opium..... we're thick skinned and unfortunately not bold in the real sense.
Mandel's party may not have been super but holding on to power did assure slot of rights come back to the black man.
All we need is not what we want.
Confused

Faposky95:


The Sykes we give ourselves like religion another opium..... we're thick skinned and unfortunately not bold in the real sense.
Mandel's party may not have been super but holding on to power did assure slot of rights come back to the black man.
All we need is not what we want.
Confused

So can you see that DEMOCRACY is not the issue? We are our own problem

Sapeleboy911:


They can speak out, call out or stage a protest, the GEJ subsidy fiasco, #Endsars are perfect examples. If we put aside our own corruption, tribal, and religious differences we can come together and say NO when our leaders are acting shady, or making unfavorable policies.

Take a look at what is happening between NLC and the FG, there are lots we can do if we unite to fight our bad leaders.

Imagine our senators and house of rep members sharing wheelbarrows, black pots, and mats as constituency projects, some are even doing mass marriages of orphaned female children and people are applauding them.

At the bolded, and how did the endsars went, did it end well with the civilians protesting? The the GEJ subsidy fiasco only went well because Gej was a gentleman who believed in democracy and took the interest of the people more than his own interest.

Gej and Yaradua have been the only guys that have practice through democracy since Nigeria move back to civilian government in 1999, the rest have been something else, especially this current calamity we have now as president. The old man is worst than all the Military government government Nigeria ever had.

43Ronin:

So why did you bring maitasine up? That I should be sympathetic to terrorists? So if sowore leads an insurrection that claimed the lives of the Ooni and his family he should be left to go scott-free because he's an activist? KSW & his crew caused a riot that murdered 6 ogoni chiefs(it's alleged the chifs were burnt alive in a car together) is KSW life more precious than the people he got killed? He killed those chiefs and paid for it according to the law of the land(wether Shell hand dey or not nobody can tell). Again leave sentimental talk and let argue with data. Nigeria's economy fared better under Abacha (whom Tinubu begged for commissioner) than currently under tinubu with lots of loand and no sanctions. The military were far from perfect but at least it's better than what we have now as democracy.

KSW was murderèd because he was an activist, just like others like him, same as journalists etc.
We are comparing military regime with civilian regime not Abacha and Tinubu.
Maitatsine happened under military rule which contradicts your deception of "no insecurities in military regime".
Military was better?
Why did Nigeria fall behind in infrastructural development and it's peers like Singapore, Malaysia grew?
And lesse nations like South Africa grew to overtake it?
Can you tell us?

Taking a clue from Putin's playbook, Burkina Faso should brace up for the impact 😂😂😂😂

Realguyman1:
At the bolded, and how did the endsars went, did it end well with the civilians protesting? The the GEJ subsidy fiasco only went well because Gej was a gentleman who believed in democracy and took the interest of the people more than his own interest.

Gej and Yaradua have been the only guys that have practice through democracy since Nigeria move back to civilian government in 1999, the rest have been something else, especially this current calamity we have now as president. The old man is worst than all the Military government government Nigeria ever had.

Sars was scrapped albeit souls were lost, but people confronted the government and the government even denied the atrocities they committed, Democracy in action again, what was the government afraid of that made her denied the allegations? Do you remember that #Endsars later turned to Igbo vs Yoruba war, tribalism at work. Since we all have agreed that Buhari and Tinubu are bad leaders what stopped us from repeating the GEJ #occupy Nigeria movement? Did Buhari or Tinubu stop us? In fact, do we all agree that Buhari & Tinubu were bad leaders?

Sapeleboy911:


Sars was scrapped albeit souls were lost, but people confronted the government and the government even denied the atrocities they committed, Democracy in action again, what was the government afraid of that made her denied the allegations? Do you remember that #Endsars later turned to Igbo vs Yoruba war, tribalism at work. Since we all have agreed that Buhari and Tinubu are bad leaders what stopped us from repeating the GEJ #occupy Nigeria movement? Did Buhari or Tinubu stop us? In fact, do we all agree that Buhari & Tinubu were bad leaders?

Democratic government of denier and deceit is worst than military regime. People also confronted the government during the military regime, infact if the military regime of those days did half of the nonsense this current set of civilian government (Buhari and Tinubu to be precise) is doing now, by making life difficult and unbearable for most Nigerians, the protest would have been worst.

Yes people knows that Buhari and now Tinubu are didn't/isn't doing the right thing, but they can't do anything because APC have ended up planting and growing seeds of selfish politics, tribalism, religion and hatred into the heart of many Nigerians. That kind of Gej occupied Nigeria protest cannot hold again for now in Nigeria because the people involved then was only playing political, tribalism and religious games, and not because they have the interest of Nigerians or Nigeria at heart.

And all those games were allowed then because we had a civilised democratic president who believed in democracy and have the interests of the people at heart. With Buhari/Tinubu as the president now, try such protest today and see if head will not roll. Everyone knows the kind of old hard hearted president we have before/now, and what the outcome will be if they dear such protest. People will only die and nothing will change.

But not the military, and they are widly known as the father of Democracy.

Uk, France, Italy, Germany, Spain....non of the above have a military rule, why? The military knows their place.

thesicilian:

America is being ruled by a group of rich families, not even "the people" as everyone is being made to believe.