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Truthseeker10:
So your God is burning people who did not hear of him?

Everyone has heard of God.

Infact, thou art inexcusable o' Man

Jokerman:
Everyone has heard of God.

Infact, thou art inexcusable o' Man

How did your forefathers hear of God without any Christian missionaries?

Truthseeker10:
How did your forefathers hear of God without any Christian missionaries?

How did Job, Abraham, Etc, hear of God?

Truthseeker10:
Below is John 17:3.

King James Bible
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Who is the "thee the only true God" in John 17:3?

Is the Father ofcourse. No sane person should argue that. But do not neglect the other part.... [b][/b]and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Jokerman:
How did Job, Abraham, Etc, hear of God?

Because the true God revealed himself to them.

If the true God has revealed himself to every human, what is the need of preaching?

In Acts 17:30, who are the ignorant that God has winked at?

King James Bible
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

New King James Version
Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,

immaculatesense:
Is the Father ofcourse. No sane person should argue that. But do not neglect the other part.... [b][/b]and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

So do you agree that we must have the knowledge of the Father and his messenger Jesus Christ?

Truthseeker10:
How did your forefathers hear of God without any Christian missionaries?

I really have not known your stand on the op question.
I like to engage people civilly and respect their opinion as I do that. Can I know your view and perspective sir on the op direct question. Thanks sir

Truthseeker10:
So do you agree that we must have the knowledge of the Father and his messenger Jesus Christ?

I am a believer. So, it's a yes for me. I know the Father and his Christ.

immaculatesense:
I am a believer. So, it's a yes for me. I know the Father and his Christ.

Is the Christ equal to the Father?

Truthseeker10:
Is the Christ equal to the Father?

Read my reply above in my response (sorry, it is in another forum) . Equal with as used in Philippians 2 is different from equal to.
I am an English expert and teacher.
"Equal with" means exalted to a state of similar rank with a distinct.
"Equal to" means being of equality in all forms where one cannot succumb to the other.

So, Jesus is equal with god but not equal to god.
Equal with God means God has exalted him to a place where all creation honor him, but not equal to god because he is subject to his father in all things.

immaculatesense:
Read my reply above in my response. Equal with as used in Philippians 2 is different from equal to.
I am an English expert and teacher.
"Equal with" means exalted to a state of similar rank with a distinct.
"Equal to" means being of equality in all forms where one cannot succumb to the other.

So, Jesus is equal with god but not equal to god.

So are you saying that Jesus was not "Equal with" God before coming to the earth? Was there no Trinity before Jesus came to earth?

Truthseeker10:
So are you saying that Jesus was not "Equal with" God before coming to the earth? Was there no Trinity before Jesus came to earth?

Read my modified message.
I have dealt with how the Trinity message should be treated in another thread and that has broutpeace and understanding to the thread.
The Father (1) sent his son (2) to die for man. After his death and ascension, The son by his father's authority sent his spirit (3) to guide all the saved in that journey. That should be the Trinity message. All are one and united in purpose. But the Father is greater than the son and the son is greater than the spirit. That is the position from the scriptures.
Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Read my modified message.
I have dealt with how the Trinity message should be treated in another thread and that has broutpeace and understanding to the thread.
The Father (1) sent his son (2) to die for man. After his death and ascension, The son by his father's authority sent his spirit (3) to guide all the saved in that journey. That should be the Trinity message. All are one and united in purpose. But the Father is greater than the son and the son is greater than the spirit. That is the position from the scriptures.
Thanks.

So is the Son "equal with" the Father Now?

Truthseeker10:
So is the Son "equal with" the Father Now?

I know you have read my context. Pls, if there are any issues, pls let me know ur viewpoint .I am a reasonable person and I am not rigid and if we can't agree on some issues. I will pay my full respect.
Thanks.

immaculatesense:
I know you have read my context. Pls, if there are any issues, pls let me know ur viewpoint .I am a reasonable person and I am not rigid and if we can't agree on some issues. I will pay my full respect.
Thanks.

Is Jesus "equal with" the Father now? Yes or no?

Truthseeker10:
Is Jesus "equal with" the Father now? Yes or no?

Yes sir. That is the position of the scriptures according to Philippians 2:6
Philippians 2:6
[6]Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.
And John 17:5
John 17:5
[5]Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.

Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Yes sir. That is the position of the scriptures according to Philippians 2:6
Philippians 2:6
[6]Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.
And John 17:5
John 17:5
[5]Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.

Thanks.

So according to your explanation of "equal with" and "equal to", How do we explain the equality of the Father and son before Jesus came to earth when we combine Philippians 2:6 and John 17:5? Was Jesus "Equal with" or "Equal to" the Father before Coming to earth?

Truthseeker10:
So according to your explanation of "equal with" and "equal to", How do we explain the equality of the Father and son before Jesus came to earth when we combine Philippians 2:6 and John 17:5? Was Jesus "Equal with" or "Equal to" the Father before Coming to earth?

I do not understand what you want me to explain now. Are you saying the son is the Father? If yes, that is not anywhere consistent with the scriptures. If no, then one must be greater. And from Jesus himself, the Father is greater than I am. It clear it. I think you need to look for my explanation of the Father and son relationship in the other thread.
You haven't shared your view withe, so at least I can know where we agree and where we dont.Thanks.

immaculatesense:
I do not understand what you want me to explain now. Are you saying the son is the Father? If yes, that is not anywhere consistent with the scriptures. If no, then one must be greater. And from Jesus himself, the Father is greater than I am. It clear it. I think you need to look for my explanation of the Father and son relationship in the other thread.
You haven't shared your view withe, so at least I can know where we agree and where we dont.Thanks.

John 17:5 contains Jesus's word to be restored to glory shared before the world began.

Philippians 2:6 that you quoted says that though Jesus was God, he did not think of "Equality with" God.

You claim that Jesus is "equal with" the Father now. So what kind of "Glory that was shared" was John 17:5 that you quoted talking about?

Truthseeker10:
John 17:5 contains Jesus's word to be restored to glory shared before the world began.

Philippians 2:6 that you quoted says that though Jesus was God, he did not think of "Equality with" God.

You claim that Jesus is "equal with" the Father now. So what kind of "Glory that was shared" was John 17:5 that you quoted talking about?

I have explained it sir. I don't know exact your viewpoint so I can know what exactly you have issues with.
Philippians 2:9-11 has answered it clearly what the glory was.

Philippians 2:9-11
[9]Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor
    and gave him the name above all other names,
[10]that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
[11]and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.

That is the glory they shared, where the Father is glorified in the son. It's not as if it is an egg, where two people divide it into two. But a glory where the glory that comes to the son glorifies the Father. God is well please with him in all things.

immaculatesense:
I have explained it sir. I don't know exact your viewpoint so I can know what exactly you have issues with.
Philippians 2:9-11 has answered it clearly what the glory was.

Philippians 2:9-11
[9]Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor
    and gave him the name above all other names,
[10]that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
[11]and every tongue declare that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.

That is the glory they shared, where the Father is glorified in the son. It's not as if it is an egg, where two people divide it into two. But a glory where the glory that comes to the son glorifies the Father. God is well please with him in all things.

Oga so you are saying that Jesua was "equal with" God before coming to the earth?

Truthseeker10:
Oga so you are saying that Jesua was "equal with" God before coming to the earth?

Did I say it or Philippians 2:6 said it? It is me or Paul?

immaculatesense:
Did I say it or Philippians 2:6 said it? It is me or Paul?

So did the Father elevate the son before coming to earth according to your explanation of "equal with"?

Truthseeker10:
So did the Father elevate the son before coming to earth according to your explanation of "equal with"?

I quoted it for you alreat sir.
the glory we shared ...before the foundation of the world.

Even the Pharisees understood the gravity of. Jesus calling himself the son of God which make him equal with God. Read it yourself.

John 5:18,23
[18]So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way to kill him. For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, thereby making himself equal with God.

[23]so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him.

Can you see, Jesus was equal with god before Incarnation, when he was alive and when he is now at the right hand of the Father.
Jesus even said that he should be honored just exactly the way the father his honored.

Thanks.

immaculatesense:
I quoted it for you alreat sir.
the glory we shared ...before the foundation of the world.

Even the Pharisees understood the gravity of. Jesus calling himself the son of God which make him equal with God. Read it yourself.

John 5:18,23
[18]So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way to kill him. For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, thereby making himself equal with God.

[23]so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him.

Can you see, Jesus was equal with god before Incarnation, when he was alive and when he is now at the right hand of the Father.
Jesus even said that he should be honored just exactly the way the father his honored.

Thanks.

So did the Father elevate the son before coming to earth according to your explanation of "equal with"?

This is Your statement below:


"Read my reply above in my response. Equal with as used in Philippians 2 is different from equal to.
I am an English expert and teacher.
"Equal with" means exalted to a state of similar rank with a distinct.
"Equal to" means being of equality in all forms where one cannot succumb to the other."

So, Jesus is equal with god but not equal to god.

What does John 14:6 say?

Truthseeker10:
In John 17:3, did Jesus say that we needed to know only him?

MrPresident1:
What does John 14:6 say?

What does John 17:3 say about how many persons we need to know to have eternal life?

cutecommend:
It is very important I help you this morning so that you won't be living in false confidence while moving on the wrong path.

The truth is that if anyone dies now with any sin, they are going straight to hell; whether they are sinners or believers. But if you accept Jesus Christ and repent before dying or before rapture, you will make heaven. Someone's last state before they die or before rapture, determines their going to heaven. And going to heaven requires no sin in you at your last state on earth.

It is only Jesus Christ that takes one to heaven. If you are morally upright without sin and yet do not accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal Saviour, you cannot make heaven. And if you are a Christian and you do not ask for pardon on any known or unknown sin before you die or before rapture, you cannot make heaven.

The purpose of God implanting sanctification and holiness in people is to make them live lives without sin.

While there is heaven for Christians who will die in the great tribulation for refusing to comply with the anti-christ: this is after rapture, I tell you this truth: SIN TAKES A MAN TO HELL.

It is a beautiful Sunday. Please pray quickly, accept Jesus today and repent from all sins. Also attend a Bible-believing church.

The question is like "Is it sickness or lack of treatment that kills sick person who didnt receive medical help."

Read John 14:6

Truthseeker10:
What does John 17:3 say about how many persons we need to know to have eternal life?

Truthseeker10:
So do you agree that we must have the knowledge of the Father and his messenger Jesus Christ?

the Lord Jesus Christ is not the messenger of God. He is the son of God. No matter how hard you guys are trying to hid this truth, it would not be hidden because our salvation is in the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ, the son of God came this world and died for our sins and on the third day, he resurrected from the dead. That is our salvation. That is what make us free from the shackles of sin and the devil. And there is no other way to be truly save

delkuf:
the Lord Jesus Christ is not the messenger of God. He is the son of God. No matter how hard you guys are trying to hid this truth, it would be hidden because our salvation is in the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ, the son of God came this world and died for our sins and on the third day, he resurrected from the dead. That is our salvation. That is what make us free from the shackles of sin and the devil. And there is no other way to be truly save

John 17:3.

King James Bible
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

MrPresident1:
Read John 14:6

John 17:3 below.

King James Bible
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Who is "thee"?