FOR THE GAY MATTER, IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN I WILL ADVISE YOU LOOK FOR THE MESSAGE PREACHED BY BISHOP DUNCAN WILLIAMS OF GHANA. TITLED: BLOOD PATTERN LINELINESS.

IT WILL HELP YOU A LOT.

Me too am afraid of coming out of the closet. I've been like this since i was 14 and its been on my mind ever since. I want to tell my girlfriend but i don't how to put it to her coz she might even dump me, my parents don't know my brothers sisters and friends have no idea. Its something i know i'd find very hard to discuss with them, but thing is am not Gay am a 100% Atheist. Did God make me an Gay Atheist?

You know I was just thinking,

Gay couples have

to depend on the healthy

heterosexual relationships

of their fellow humans

to have children.

Ironic isn't it?

Did God make me an Gay Atheist?

Lol.

Of course, like everyone else breathing God's fresh air, you were born an atheist.

Religion is acquired.

That should be simple enough to be clear shouldn't it?

And, of course, homosexuality isn't a sin, anymore than heterosexuality is.

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Nimshi:

Of course, like everyone else breathing God's fresh air, you were born an atheist.

How can you say i was born an Athiest and then say religion is acquired? So your trying to say i was an Atheist right from birth eh? before i could say mummy or daddy that i was already a confirmed atheist? Dose that make sense to you?

Nimshi:

Religion is acquired.

Homosexuality is a sin period.

@manmustwac
I dey feel you, I will not say I am 100% atheist, I am not certain that God didnt do everything here, maybe our sense of a God is just wack, both sides have serious cases, that said I want to ask you when you said homosexuality was a sin were you referring to the bible because me I do not think it is so, they forget to mention lesbians, maybe I am wrong but I am waiting for a serious christian to show me that not the wishers here.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-180348.0.html

I tried to explain myself there.

How can God make someone gay?

You guys shouldn't blaspheme on Nairaland ooh!! if the dude's parents where gay would he be on this earth? it goes against his basic law of procreation even same sex animals don't mate how much more Man whom where created in his own image

A-40:

How can God make someone gay?

You guys shouldn't blaspheme on Nairaland ooh!! if the dude's parents where gay would he be on this earth? it goes against his basic law of procreation[b] even same sex animals don't mate [/b] how much more Man whom where created in his own image

Reference to the enboldened part: this is a factual falsehood. The way scientists identify homosexuality in the animal kingdom is via same-sex mating. Many, many animals exhibit bisexual behaviours. About 8% of rams are actively sexually homosexual; bonobos are a fully homosexual species; gulls, penguins, lions, sheep, fruit flies, dragon flies, giraffes and more animals exhibit same-sex sexual behaviour. How come?

All things bright and beautiful . . . the Lord God made them all. No?

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manmustwac:

How can you say i was born an Athiest and then say religion is acquired? So your trying to say i was an Atheist right from birth eh? before i could say mummy or daddy that i was already a confirmed atheist? Dose that make sense to you?

Yes, it does my friend. Before you could say mummy and/or daddy, you had no religious belief. That is what atheist is.

Homosexuality is a sin period.

What about heterosexuality? Is that a sin too?

And, while at it, could you define homosexuality? If you could, it'll be clear whyhomosexuality cannot be a sin, and it'll be clear why the bible - and Al Quran - do not condemn homosexuality.
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Homosexuality and paedolphilia is perversion. Perversion is immorality. Immorality is sin. Sin is death.

Pedophilia is beyond sin; it is a crime. It's important to clear the head about the gulf between homosexuality and pedophilia. Define homosexuality.

Those who have hear let them hear what the spirit is saying to the congregation.

A challenge: why don't you supply what the Spirit has said to the Congregation about homosexuality? Please provide documented references if you could.

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@Free
God did not create anybody to be gay (homosexual/lesbian/bisexual/e.t.c.). The person just decided to be gay even when he/she knows that it is a sin.

God made him gay??

Come to think of it, you might be right. God made him so . . he might as well have made him

@Okija_juju
Go and wash your eyes in the bathroom.

@ HIV

Why would I want to do that??

@Okija_juju aka HIV2
Oga, this is religious section. No fighting O!
You're juju no go work for here.

A-40:

How can God make someone gay?

You guys shouldn't blaspheme on Nairaland ooh!! if the dude's parents where gay would he be on this earth? it goes against his basic law of procreation even same sex animals don't mate how much more Man whom where created in his own image

A-40 you are smart and all so i would let this slide. next slip would require an intellectual spanking. there are flaming homo's in the animal kingdom too

obinna5000:

@Free
God did not create anybody to be gay (homosexual/lesbian/bisexual/e.t.c.). The person just decided to be gay even when he/she knows that it is a sin.

so when did you decide to not to like men? you see how stupid you sound. who would choose to be something that can get them killed and ridiculed.

Nimshi:

Reference to the enboldened part: this is a factual falsehood. The way scientists identify homosexuality in the animal kingdom is via same-sex mating. Many, many animals exhibit bisexual behaviours. About 8% of rams are actively sexually homosexual; bonobos are a fully homosexual species; gulls, penguins, lions, sheep, fruit flies, dragon flies, giraffes and more animals exhibit same-sex sexual behaviour. How come?

All things bright and beautiful . . . the Lord God made them all. No?

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At least most of them are not gay by choice are you sure there are gay Lions? i have not seen that on Nat Geo sha

bawomolo:

A-40 you are smart and all so i would let this slide. next slip would require an intellectual spanking. there are flaming homo's in the animal kingdom too

Lol we humans should know better its not like those animals made up their mind to be gay

Nimshi:

Yes, it does my friend. Before you could say mummy and/or daddy, you had no religious belief. That is what atheist is.

I came from a catholic background and all my brothers and sisters are christian ok. Its when i started to form my own ideas and opinions about life in my teens that i became an atheist, not while i was stll in my moothers womb.

Nimshi:

What about heterosexuality? Is that a sin too?
How can u say hetrosexuality is a sin? Don't u know that the key was made to enter the ignition.

Nimshi:

And, while at it, could you define homosexuality? If you could, it'll be clear why homosexuality cannot be a sin, and it'll be clear why the bible - and Al Quran - do not condemn homosexuality.

So why dose Africa want to split up from the Anglican church then? Isn't it because of those openly gay preists they have there? And this guy in the post who said God made him gay what if he didn't happen to be a christian? What if he was an Atheist like me? Would he still be saying that God made him Gay? Or that he just realised that he was Gay when he reached a certain age in his life?

manmustwac:

I came from a catholic background and all my brothers and sisters are christian ok. Its when i started to form my own ideas and opinions about life in my teens that i became an atheist, not while i was stll in my moothers womb.

Appears it's still unclear. Now: were your brothers and sister Catholics when then were 2 hours old?

So why dose Africa want to split up from the Anglican church then? Isn't it because of those openly gay preists they have there?

There's a difference between the homosexual state and the homosexual act. Many priests know this. "Openly gay" priests are priests who are gay and have no problem with living the full life in homosexuality; the bible clearly condemns homosexual acts in all circumstances.
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A-40:
At least most of them are not gay by choice are you sure there are gay Lions? i have not seen that on Nat Geo sha

Aren't you assuming that all humans who're gay are gay by choice?
If animals aren't gay by choice, why should you assume humans are gay by choice?
Are humans heterosexual by choice?

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DO YOU WANT HELP?

There are concerned people who know what you're going through and know how to help. Many of them have been set free from homosexuality themselves and would love to help you in any way they can. If you or someone you love is struggling with homosexuality, you can receive helpful literature, counseling and possibly information about support groups in your area. Just write one of the groups listed below. We love you and pray that you will be willing to reach out for help!

Exodus International
P. O. Box 540119
Orlando, FL 32854

Exodus Europe
CP 6, CH-1239
Collex, SWITZERLAND

True Freedom Trust
P. O. Box 13
Prenton, Wirral
CH43 6BY UK

Exodus Asia Pacific
P. O. Box 1882
4064 Milton
Queensland, AUSTRALIA

Outpost, Inc.
PO Box 22429
Robbinsdale, MN 55422-0429
763-592-4700
FAX : 763-592-4701
Outpost_inc@email.msn.com

Love In Action
P.O. Box 753307
Memphis, TN 38175


Sy & Karen Rogers
c/o Steiger International
P.O. Box 1186
Northampton, MA 01060

Walking Out Of Homosexuality
By Joe Hallett




What I remember most from my childhood is a deep hunger to be loved. My father ruled our home with a tyrannical self-interest, and I was the frequent target of his bitter sarcasm. No matter how I tried to please him, nothing I ever did was good enough.

Gradually I began to look to other men for love.

For many years I would cut out pictures of men from magazines and hide them under my mattress. I would take them out at night and create whole worlds in my head. Worlds where these men would love me and care for me as my father never did. Initially there was nothing sexual in these fantasies - only a son desperately longing for the love of a father.

In the real world I had a crush on any man who was kind to me. It didn't matter whether he was a teacher, a bill collector, or a grocery store clerk - I was open and vulnerable to anyone that showed an interest in me. When I discovered sex with some neighborhood boys at the age of ten, it felt exciting and dangerous at the same time. I didn't want to say no to them because I'd never received so much attention from anyone in my life. Finally I was wanted for something, even if I felt dirty and humiliated afterwards.

But I knew it was wrong, and it wasn't just society telling me. Something deep within me immediately recognized the wrong, but being used sexually was better than being ignored. I saw myself as unlovable, ugly, and stupid - all the things my father said about me. I was bad. And the worse I felt about myself, the more I would return to sex to find that distorted sense of self-worth.

At first there was the basic need for the love of a father, but then sex became a way to fill my need for intimacy. Little by little homosexual relationships became my only way of coping with emptiness. Sex became my comfort, even though it was a false comfort. In my desperate search for male love, I unwittingly stepped into a deepening pit of lust and emotional dependency My high school years became a dark blend of fear and forbidden desire.

I was terrified. What if someone knew? What if someone found out? I felt so different from everyone else. I knew the gay jokes and the disgust that society heaped upon "them" - so I hid inside myself. I tried to be noticed for my music, my humor, or for anything other than sex. My heartfelt desire was to be acknowledged as a person, yet casual sex only deepened my suspicion that I was less than nothing.
A New Kind Of Freedom
When I finally left home to go to college, something unexpected happened. For a brief moment, I was cut free from my past. There was no one there who knew where I'd been, or what I was. My slate had been wiped clean - at least as far as other people were concerned.

Little did I know the scene was set for me to have a head-on collision with authentic Christianity. I had grown up in a "Christian" home - or so I thought. My family went to church every Sunday. I knew where God lived and what kind of people He hung out with, but I didn't know Him.

At college, some of the people I met told me God was not an all-powerful deity waiting to squish me like some kind of bug under His foot. They said Christianity wasn't a dry system of rules but a living, breathing relationship between me and the living God!

As a child I'd learned that God was distant and unreachable, yet here was a God who knew me better than I knew myself - and still loved me. If I reached out and took the gift of His love, He would cleanse me from all the sickness of my past.

I could not resist such love. I asked God into my life.
Falling Short Of The Glory Of God
Even though I had accepted Christ, I still refused to leave the homosexual lifestyle. Since I didn't know how to separate myself from it, I decided God would just have to accept me the way I was. Thus began the war between my love for God and my desire for homosexual relationships.

After two years of "living on the fence" - desiring God but also desiring men - I left college and moved to Minneapolis. It was a sort of a "Mecca" for homosexuals in the Midwest, and seemed like a safe place for me to live.

As we drove into the city for the first time, my aunt pointed out a gay bar and told me I would do well to avoid it. Unwittingly, she provided the answer to my most pressing question. I had arrived. Freedom was mine, and I threw myself into the gay world with full abandon. I belonged. I fit in.

At first I felt guilty, but gradually my conscience became quieter and duller. I convinced myself that it didn't matter how you loved, all that mattered was that you did love. Rules and regulations seemed to destroy the freedom love could bring. I continually told myself it was okay to be a homosexual.

I dove deeper and deeper into sin. I didn't realize I was drowning. Love and intimacy were elusive, but sex was available and cheap. The men were different - but the situation was the same. I was a tool to be used, not a person. I would go out in search of love, but time and time again I would return knowing that I was only desired for how well I could perform.

To the world, I was just another homosexual on the street. But God continued to keep the small flame in my heart burning.
A Second Chance
After living in Minneapolis and struggling for three years with student loans and other debts, I decided to join the army. My family thought I was crazy, but I was still on a desperate search for acceptance. I wanted to belong somewhere.

The Army sent me to a unit in Germany, and six months later I auditioned to sing with the Army Chorus in Europe. I was accepted and soon settled into my new assignment in Heidelberg.

I would like to say that I didn't continue in the gay lifestyle, but I did. Here I met a German named Claus and began my second live-in relationship. I didn't think life could get any better. I was singing before huge audiences in Europe and I was loved by a beautiful man. I had a life. I finally belonged.

But a strange thing was taking place. Even though I had the life I'd always dreamed of, I was growing increasingly restless. It was just about that time that the Lord sent an ambassador of His grace into my life. Actually, she was more like the "hound of heaven!" Her name was Debbie.

After many lengthy discussions about the Lord, Debbie began to invite me to her church. The first time, I turned her down. The following week she called again, and I made some excuse. But she continued to come to the barracks every Sunday morning. One month, two months, three months, four months went by - still she remained faithful. Finally, in the fifth month, I accepted her invitation. To be honest, I did this more out of frustration than from any real desire to go.

But her church was different from anything I'd ever known before. The people were truly friendly, and the service was alive -not so bound in ritual. That morning, an intense hunger for God awoke in me. I came away desiring to know the Lord in a new way.

So I began to go to church.
But He Is Strong
Yet I continually complained about having to give up the thing I desired most. One day before Sunday School class, I again rehearsed my complaint against God: If homosexuality was sin, then why didn't He take it away? After all, God was more than powerful enough to deal with my sin! I accused Him of not doing His part to deliver me from my struggle.

But that day the class was reading from the book of Jeremiah, and when it came my turn to read the words leapt off the page: " Why has my pain been perpetual and my wound incurable, refusing to be healed? Wilt Thou indeed be to me like a deceptive stream with water that is unreliable? Therefore, thus says the Lord: 'If you return, then I will restore you - before Me you will stand; and if you extract the precious from the worthless, you will become My spokesman." (Jer. 15:18,19)

The Spirit of God had rebuked me with my own mouth! I felt as if He had just dunked me in cold water. I was severely shaken, and began to pray in earnest that God would give me the desire to leave homosexuality behind for good.
No One Can Serve Two Masters
I knew I could no longer serve both God and my desire. Matthew 6:24 became the verse I couldn't forget: "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will hold to one and despise the other, "

But I didn't know how to change! I loved men. Everything about them attracted me - how could I give them up? I was so weak. I prayed that God would just give me the desire to leave Claus. That was all I had the strength to pray.

Two months later, while sitting alone in a gay bar in Berlin, I began to reflect on my life. None of my homosexual relationships had brought me closer to my true objective: an intimate loving relationship with a man.

I confessed my sin to God that day. I admitted that I had messed up my life and my sexuality. I vowed that, if He would change me, I would follow Him. But my vow was conditional. I told God that if He didn't change me by the end of two years, I was going back into homosexuality.

That day I began to walk a new way - but at first I stumbled badly. I fell many times, but eventually I did succeed in laying my sexual behavior down. But I was still terrified of being left alone. That fear dominated my every waking moment. Who would be my friend without me somehow "paying" them?

In answer to my terrifying fear of loneliness, God immediately began to provide the love and friendship I so desperately needed. He gave me a wonderful friend, Julia. She taught me about God, and we grew together by leaps and bounds. She even helped me do really gut-wrenching things like going to my lover's house and moving all my things. God knew I could never have done that alone, so He gave me a Christian friend to strengthen me in my weakness.

After that the Lord brought godly men into my life - men who demonstrated the pure love and acceptance I so desperately needed. These men put aside their own fears about reaching out to a man struggling with homosexuality. Thank God for their courage and unconditional love!

I'm sad to say many Christians are afraid to reach out to those trying to leave the gay lifestyle. It's true many homosexuals don't know how to relate to men on a non-sexual basis - but how will they learn if no one reaches out to them with real love and friendship?

Relationships with Christian brothers have helped me to walk in the light of God, and I know that will be true for others. The need for male love lures most men into homosexuality, and only the unconditional love of God's people will help lead them out of that desperate loneliness.
One Day At A Time
Laying down sinful desires is a very long process.

Although I'd given up the outward show of homosexuality in Germany, there was much I hadn't released. I still harbored a small hope that God would someday change His mind and make homosexuality okay!

Not many of us are willing to acknowledge the fact that it may take time to change. We live in an age where we're taught to want everything, and want it now! Everyone demands instant cures and easy answers. But sometimes those answers are not instantly forthcoming.

Too many people coming out of the gay lifestyle echo the same sentiment: "If Exodus or Outpost can't 'cure' me of homosexuality in six months, then forget it!" Each time I hear that I'm reminded of the very words I spoke to God back in Berlin.

Some people think you're not really saved if you still struggle with homosexual desire, but I don't believe that's true. All Christians struggle with the temptation to sin. We need to realize that a salvation experience is not a pre-frontal lobotomy or a substitute for exercising personal discipline. God does bring change, but not always instantaneously. And contrary to some popular belief, godly change does not always come about without pain or struggle.
A Tree Of Righteousness
A growing percentage of Christians, and even many unbelievers, think that believing in Christ should put an end to our struggle with sin.

But that is a lie.

God is interested in something much more important than our comfort - He is intent upon developing His eternal character within us. And He uses our daily struggles with the flesh to shape and define that character. God can and does use struggle and conflict to bring forth His glory in us.

As A. H. Strong once wrote:

"A student asked the president of his school whether he could take a shorter course than the one prescribed.

"Oh yes," replied the president. "But then it depends on what you want to be. When God wants to make an oak, He takes a hundred years. But when He wants to make a squash, He takes six months."

I hope you want to be an oak.
Seeking God For Comfort
Although my sexual liaisons with men ended seven years ago, I am still imperfect.

When I give in to despair or refuse to seek God for comfort, then I find myself most vulnerable to my old romantic dreams. My fleshly desires still continue to war against my desire for the peace and righteousness of God.

Most of us want to be able to switch off our sinful natures like we switch off a light bulb - but I don't think that's a very realistic attitude towards salvation. My desperate need for God's strength keeps me incredibly close to Him. Like a child on a busy city street, I know that if I let go of His hand - even for a moment - I'll get hit by a bus.

I am still a sinner who struggles with his flesh, but I'm being changed daily. I used to think Christianity was just God's scoreboard for keeping track of all my sins. But now that I've walked with the Lord for several years, I know that Christianity simply means total dependence on the love and forgiving mercy of my Father in heaven.

"Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name; you are Mine! When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and through the rivers they will not over flow you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be scorched, nor will the flame burn you. For I am the Lord your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior." (Is. 43:1-3)
For Your Light Has Come
God's love is reaching out to each one of us through the brokenness of our hearts and lives. But the question is: Will we trust Him even when it hurts? In Jesus, I have found Someone that I can give my whole self to - body, soul, and spirit. In Him I have placed my trust. So now I can say of all men I am the most fortunate, because I know where my hope lies: Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.

"Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him." (Rom. 4:7,
DO YOU WANT HELP?
There are concerned people who know what you're going through and know how to help. Many of them have been set free from homosexuality themselves and would love to help you in any way they can. If you or someone you love is struggling with homosexuality, you can receive helpful literature, counseling and possibly information about support groups in your area. Just write one of the groups listed below. We love you and pray that you will be willing to reach out for help!

Exodus International
P. O. Box 540119
Orlando, FL 32854

Exodus Europe
CP 6, CH-1239
Collex, SWITZERLAND

True Freedom Trust
P. O. Box 13
Prenton, Wirral
CH43 6BY UK

Exodus Asia Pacific
P. O. Box 1882
4064 Milton
Queensland, AUSTRALIA

Outpost, Inc.
PO Box 22429
Robbinsdale, MN 55422-0429
763-592-4700
FAX : 763-592-4701
Outpost_inc@email.msn.com

Love In Action
P.O. Box 753307
Memphis, TN 38175

Sy & Karen Rogers
c/o Steiger International
P.O. Box 1186
Northampton, MA 01060


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