<sup>ha ha ha ^^

Joseph is behind the scene as we can see. . . the bible have been hiding somethings from people .</sup>

PAGAN 9JA:

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^{You mean Mary the mother of Jesus was defiled ? wow. . . .}

moshoodn:

God don't come through defiled places.
Mary was undefiled.

newmi:

do we have any justification to think otherwise?

Amyr:

I am not writing to win but to express my own opinions in as clear way as i can. No intellectual, not even the Emmanuel Kant, who, during the enlightenment, refined the pure doctrine of reason, advanced a logical argument devoid of bias or sentiment. Reason is not a master but a servant, meant to advance our emotional connection, however right or wrong it is. That being said, let us not confuse deductions conceived of preconceived subjective motives with a stated fact, unless, in the spirit of objective determination, we find it fall short of the truth(so much of confusion on that). To say Mary is not a virgin can be likely if we remove her from the context of the jew she is and from the spontaneous flow of the story from that of an orthodox jew to that of a post Marilyn Munroe world where girls are taught to cast off all moral restraints and follow their feelings. Your view is by no means novel-progressive christianity, differing from their fundamental counterparts have posited your views immodiately after the second world war. The Church of Satan even carried it to the most liberal limit. My opinion is that, like the Letter to Gracia, It is most reasonable to subject oneself, first, to the true emotional and rational import of the message before we take a rational comment. I take it that when a member on this forum was reffered as a fool, a mental conclusion was reached as to the answer(although in reasoned arguments have no final conclusion, The Bible was submitted for scrutiny but for other quoted texts, like the sixth and seventh books of Moses, there was no such rule applied that got me thinking whether we are interested in the humour of intellecual quest or in a subjective rallying for supporters to a preconceived cause). Let us see Mary, in her world before we make a conclusion-my subjective experience of the objective sees much of good in that, ortherwise christianity, judaism and even the books of Moses reffered to fails.

Ogaga4Luv:

[size=13pt]^{If Jesus was born of a virgin, then he could not have been the messiah, because his father -- the Holy Spirit -- was not a human descendent of the House of David.}  [/size]

<sup>I understand the Origin of GOD. . . .he's never real in the first place , he's never one big guy hiding above or somwhere in the skies , he's never a father or Creator of everything , he's never one lovely leader. . . GOD was only invented like the way men invent COMPUTER or the AIRCRAFTS .

GOD is the worst thing men have ever invented because nothing about it seem to be real -----</sup>

cantell:

You can never understand nor conceive the origin of God, at least not with the way you think.

Ogaga4Luv:

[size=13pt]<sup>I understand the Origin of GOD. . . .he's never real in the first place , he's never one big guy hiding above or somwhere in the skies , he's never a father or Creator of everything , he's never one lovely leader. . . GOD was only invented like the way men invent COMPUTER or the AIRCRAFTS .

GOD is the worst thing men have ever invented because nothing about it seem to be real -----</sup> [/size]

ivoice247:

Allah (GOD), The Originator of the Heavens and The Earth, The First Without A Beginning and The Last Without An Ending!

How can you dispute the existence of Allah while you are a witness of how Allah created you in the womb of your mother, how Allah shaped your body, gave you eyes, nose, hands, feet and everything else, then allah commanded the angels to breathe a soul while you're still in your mother's womb  or did you create yourself ? Don't you know that everything around you has a someone that created it? Look around you, at your houses built by builders, your furniture built by carpenters, the cars, roads, bridges by engineers, your food by farmers and so on. Look around you again, nothing in this world just appears without a creator, so do you think that the mighty heavens, earth, trees, animals, moon, stars, sun, planets and so on just appeared on their own? Of course Not!

And do not doubt the day of resurrection, when your belief and actions will be judged. You'll be brought forth from the earth just as how the vegetation and the trees come out when you plant the seeds. Have you planted tomato seeds before; don't you see how the tomato sprouts out of the earth full again after you had already eaten it before re-planting the seed in the earth. That's how your body to will sprout out from the earth on resurrection day after it had already been eaten up by the earth and turned to dust. As Allah states in the glorious quran;-

O mankind! If you are in doubt about the Resurrection, then verily We have created you from dust, then from a mixed drop of male and female intimate discharge, then from a coagulated blood then from a little lump of flesh - some formed and some unformed (as in the case of miscarriage) - that We may make clear to you Our Power and Ability to do what We will. And We cause whom We will to remain in the wombs for an appointed term, then We bring you out as infants, then give you growth that you may reach your age of full strength. And among you there is he who dies young, and among you there is he who is brought back to the miserable old age, so that he knows nothing after having known. And you see the earth barren, but when We send down rain on it, it is stirred to life, and it swells and puts forth every lovely kind of growth.
(  سورة الحج  , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #5)

^{ha ha now that's funny -- i believe that guy is high , see as he's spoiling this thread with quara'n verses! LOL}

Logic Mind:

did you visit jamaica recently?

Ogaga4Luv: [size=13pt]<sup>I understand the Origin of GOD. . . .he's never real in the first place , he's never one big guy hiding above or somwhere in the skies , he's never a father or Creator of everything , he's never one lovely leader. . . GOD was only invented like the way men invent COMPUTER or the AIRCRAFTS .

GOD is the worst thing men have ever invented because nothing about it seem to be real -----</sup> [/size]

Sirniyeh: Brethren, it's said that a learned is not easily decieved. But in Nigeria, it's shamefully conspicious in our religious sector as most educated ones are dribble with lies through bible. From the research, I discovered that marry was never a virgin before her first conception. Joseph, a carpenter, was employed by marry's father to work for him. Joseph arrived tiredly but marry offered him water to drink. That was the genesis of their relationship. From that point joseph proposed and marry fell in love. For years after legal marriage, they could not bear any child after many sexual trials. Will you legally marry your wife and not taste the honey-pot? It's a lie, total and complete and full lie! So were marry and elizabet in same condition of childlessness. It was when joseph took manly decision to divorce marry that joseph had dream not to divorce and promised an amazing child.
Please read detail from the book of URETHA (full downloadable on internet) - It's was the first GOSPEL written just 5-AD. Read also the book of Thomas and book of Judas Iscariot-disciple. All these books reveal lies about jesus in the bible. That was why they did not include them in the bible in order to be able to cajole the world. Even in Sixth and 7th Book of Moses, I personally read that Jesus was a magician just like Moses, Aron, and others. He used confirmed Talisman. The Talisman used by jesus is in 6th and 7th book of moses.
Pls, enough of the bible lies. How many pastors can do real miracle without using JASS? Just as christ disciple could not cast out demon, bcs they did not know the secret of Jesus, that is why many christians are dying poor as a result of bible lies. No, Marry was not virgin. With my spiritual experience, it is not possible! I have constant communion with the spirits and I know what I'm saying! Imagine, no miracle recorded in bible that have not been performed in nigeria. But mind you, with JASS. Ask Adeboye, Oyedepo etc to bring out the records of their practical miracles. Na lie! That's why I like TB Joshua and Oyaki, they had discovered the secret of Jesus and they walk in his shoe. No wonder other fake ones envy them. Again, marry was not virgin. Confirmed! Dont be decieved! You are free to call me any name you like. This is the truth! If you explore to a certain level you will discover lots of lies. That's why some pastors involve in pranks because they have discoved the lies about frauding in the name of heaven and cajoling with bornagain trait. Pls wake up! Wake up! Wake up! Pls ask me any question you wish to know. Then pls spread this bitter truth on internet and quote me. You can become what ever you like, ask for the secret.

Awelechukwu16: If only you know what you are saying! I pray God should have mercy on you all!

Logic Mind: Did Mary take virginity test, how sure are you that she was really a virgin.
You never know she might have done a quick one with a shepherd behind the stable. I don't know but it's a possibility. Ladies her age are ususally very , you know . Or was she biologically defective?