davidylan:

Yawn! We've heard it all before. Either allah has a very poor memory or he indeed is the master of deciet. Was it not the same allah who told you to strike off the head of the unbelievers?

David,those are not forbidden by allah,didn't you get it?

nwando:

David,those are not forbidden by allah,didn't you get it?

what then does allah forbid? the killing of goats and rams? but the heads of "unbelievers" is fair game?
this allah sef.

Ali wa mu dundun la i.

LOL.

allah should better make up his mind.
He says to kill apostates,unbelievers,apes(Jews) and yet he forbids killings.
this allah sef

allah tory don tire me.

Is he even a muslim?

davidylan:

allah tory don tire me.

Is he even a muslim?

ROFL .I wonder,he doesn't sound that peaceful since islam is peace.

What are you talking about? Islam is a very peaceful peaceful religion . . . we don't just know the erm er er. . . true Islam / Islamics - if there is infact one. Like you pointed out we are not even sure if Allah is Islamic

Last night I was watching news on CNN and there came up the story of a Swedish Artist (can't remember name) who depicted Muhammad as a dog and Christ as a pedophile. Guess what? Peaceful Islamists are sending this guy death threats on daily basis while the aggressive christians remain mute

Peaceful Alqueda (supporting the Peaceful Islamic course) has put up a reward of $150 for anyone who kills him. Most shocking is a married peace-loving islamic woman, living close to the guy; regularly sends him threats - ". . . i will slay you, i will watch you scream like a pig for the pig you are". Interviewed by CNN with her peaceful black hood hiding all but her peaceful sunshades, she says she does not care if she is called a peaceful terrorist but she will kill him if given the chance. She has been fined by Swedish Police for sending death threats.

If the above does not prove Islam is inherently peaceful, take your mind back to the Twin Towers, Train bombings in Spain and Uk, Attempted bombings in Germany, US embassy in Kenya, the Taliban in Afghanistan, Alqueda, Hamas, Syria, killings in nothern Nigeria etc to mention but a few They all overwhelmingly display the solitude and peace of the beautiful religion of Islam.

Join Islam Today or die

PS: I'd best get security to avoid being surprised by peaceful Islamists

somze,

i hope you did not put your address in your profile
OR ELSE

bye see you in 80years time

lol

islam does not condone such gruelsome act.in every religion they must be extremists but the fact is that christians preyend not to notice theirs like hitler.the fact that hitler was achristian doesnt make all christians killers and the fact that bible said this wont make all christians to kill.


Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NL

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB



And remember that jesus said

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB

it was Ayi Kwei Amah that described Islam as " a religion of demented desert god" in his book 2000 seasons

don maselo:

islam does not condone such gruelsome act.in every religion they must be extremists but the fact is that christians preyend not to notice theirs like hitler.the fact that hitler was achristian doesnt make all christians killers and the fact that bible said this wont make all christians to kill.

The fact that you attempt to use the well worn islamic propaganda that hitler was a "christian" is proof of your desperate attempt to lie in order to excuse the mindless bloodletting that islam embodies.
Again we just want to point out to you bunch of murderous hypocrites that not everyone who is non-muslim is automatically a christian. I cant count the number of times you people have labelled even athiests as christians just to find an excuse for that armed bandit u call a prophet.

don maselo:

And remember that jesus said

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB

and in your narrow mind you presume to have understood that very verse you rush to quote?

don maselo:

islam does not condone such gruelsome act.in every religion they must be extremists but the fact is that christians preyend not to notice theirs like hitler.the fact that hitler was achristian doesnt make all christians killers and the fact that bible said this wont make all christians to kill.


Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 Nairaland

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB



And remember that jesus said

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB

I wonder why the Christians failed in those commands and the slaves of allah took over

thanks to Davidylan and Nwando.

" we are not stunted in spirit, we are not Europeans, we are not CHRISTIANS that we should invent fables a child would laugh at and harden our eyes to preach them daylight and deep night as truth.
We are not warped in soul, we are not Arabs, we are not MUSLIMS to fabricate a desert god chanting madness in the wilderness, and call our creature creator. That is not our way"

Hitler is a christian and Allah is Buddhisht

bibiking1:

" we are not stunted in spirit, we are not Europeans, we are not CHRISTIANS that we should invent fables a child would laugh at and harden our eyes to preach them daylight and deep night as truth.
We are not warped in soul, we are not Arabs, we are not MUSLIMS to fabricate a desert god chanting madness in the wilderness, and call our creature creator. That is not our way"

would u mind naming the author of this quote

CAN ANY CHRISTIAN IN THE HOUSE TELL ME
WHAT DO THE ARAB CHRISTIAN CALL GOD?

Ayi Kwei Amah

don maselo:

islam does not condone such gruelsome act.in every religion they must be extremists but the fact is that christians preyend not to notice theirs like hitler.the fact that hitler was achristian doesnt make all christians killers and the fact that bible said this wont make all christians to kill.

Could you please show where this claim that Hitler is a Christian Comes from? I would like you to please show me in Hitler's own words where He claims to be a Christian

Hitler, 10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43) 

Another issue for you to deal with is this @Don Maselo,

Christians that I know do not DENY those things are written in the Bible as it is . If you notice the problem is Christians in this discussion have so far not told you those things are not in the Bible but You yourself have completely denied that those are in the Quran by your own Post ,

islam does not condone such gruelsome act.[/b]in every religion they must be extremists but the fact is that christians preyend not to notice theirs like hitler.the fact that hitler was achristian doesnt make all christians killers and the fact that bible said this wont make all christians to kill.


[b] Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

You mean those ACTS are not being Practised even to this day in Islamic countries around the world?? @Don Maseo

GO AND READ HITLERS HISTORY.THE FACT THAT SOME MUSLIMS KILL DONT MEAN ISLAM PREACHES THAT AND THE FACT THAT HITLER IS A PROVEN CHRISTIAN DOESNT MAKE ALL CHRISTIANS MUDERERS.JUST A LITTLE OF HIS HISTORY


Hitler’s involvement with the Church:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school.  (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.”  His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest.  Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals.  As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.”  -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church.  Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy.  In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican.  Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church.  This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.”  Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party

g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church.  The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education.  This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin.  It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday.  The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.

Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.”  (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law.  He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home.  Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity.  It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.”  –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.”  -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism



How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:

Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education.  Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians.  The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus.  Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years.  The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion.  In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2.  Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.

Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles treaty.  The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world recognized power.  Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933.  This placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national Christianity.



How the Nazi Regime converted the people:

a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution).  In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positive” Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race.  The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession, ”

b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to impressionable children.  Hitler backed up the notion that all people need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence.  Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.”  – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.

d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.

e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.

f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear.  An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”.  For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.

g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.

h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens.  If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.



Quotes from Hitler:

   Hitler’s speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany.  Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their faith So they try to pin him on other theistic views.  The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveal the strength of his Christian feelings:

   “National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles.  In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship, We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement.  Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us.  At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief.  But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord…  Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed.  Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.”  -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938.  [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.]

   “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith.  We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism.  Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy.  The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]

   Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

   "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.  It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth!  was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.  In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders.  How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.  To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.  As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…  And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."  –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed.  The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

   "Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars.  Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)

   "The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew."  -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)

   "With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their own.  Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)      

   “The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself.  His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine.  Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence.  In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

   "…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion."  -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins.  Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)

   “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”  –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

   “The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.”  –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race.  That is why many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.)

“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success.  This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.”  –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)

Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:

   "Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide."  (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96)

Ok, Again , I will repeat myself , Where are quotes from Hitler himself proclaiming himself a Christian?? @Don Maseo, I did not ask you for cut and paste from other people but actually quotes even from hitler's book ( Mein Kampf) which proclaim him a Christian working for the Christian God @Don maseo

"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)

How did you arrive at that from the quote up there @Don Maseo

, fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed.)

Basically , From your posts there , We can according to you claim that Hitler was a Christian @Don Maseo

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)

[quote]
"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to sex-attack another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)

Does this not also mean Hitler was a Muslim since Shaitan is also from the same idea

“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Are you sure you are not busy reading your own agenda into all this yourself?? @Don Maseo

"…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)[quote]

You mean this could not also mean Hitler was also a Muslim ?? @Don Maseo

[quote] “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

According to that, anyone who is doing the work of the Lord is automatically a Christian even if the person does not say so ?? @Don Maseo

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What conclusion can we draw from these same quotes from the same man ?? @Don Maseo


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Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:


National Socialism and religion cannot exist together, The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity, Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:


Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:


The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death, When understanding of the universe has become widespread, Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity, Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity, And that's why someday its structure will collapse, , the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little, Christianity the liar, We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:


The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:


Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer, The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work, for the purposes of personal exploitation, Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, gays? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight:


Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery, , When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)


14th December, 1941, midday:


Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself, Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:


There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:


It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity, My regret will have been that I couldn't, behold ." (p 278)


"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941.


Source

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views.

The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.


[/quote]

LMAO ,  HERE IS stuff you will find interesting @Don Maseo, 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_beliefs

You Will LOVE THIS ,

Islam and eastern religions
Among eastern religions, Hitler described religious leaders such as "Confucius, Buddha, and Muhammad" as providers of "spiritual sustenance"[43]. In this context, Hitler's connection to Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, the Mufti of Jerusalem — which included asylum in 1941, the honorary rank of a SS Major, and a "respected racial genealogy" — has been interpreted more as a sign of respect than political expedience,


Religious neutrality

In the beginning Hitler was opposed to state atheism, which for example was part of the political system of the Soviet Union, but he nevertheless desired a religiously neutral state system, at least during the years of his dictatorship.[46] He feared the political power that the churches had, and did not want to openly antagonize that political base until he had securely gained control of the country. Once in power Hitler showed his contempt for religion and sought to eliminate it from areas under his rule.[47] [48] Within Hitler's Nazi Party some atheists were quite vocal especially Baldur von Schirach, Arthur Axmann and Martin Bormann. From Hitler's promotion of declared atheists within his party and his use of Muslim fighters[49][50] in his army, it can be concluded that Hitler in the public realm tolerated different religious opinions, ranging from atheist to Islamic to Christian, as long as those people professing these different creeds would support the Nazi regime. Hitler often used religious speech and symbolism in his propaganda to appease and promote Nazism to those that he feared would be disposed to act against him,[51][52] and he also used religion as a pretext in diplomacies.[citation needed] The Marxist Russian state feared that if they commenced a program of persecution against religion in the western regions, Hitler would use that as a pretext for war.[53]

@Kobojunkie,
na wa ooo!this guy just dey quote to suit his purposes and mis-interpreting it.
only from reading those quotes it goes to show that Hitler seeks to use the powers that the churches had as a stepping stone to get to where he wants.was still wondering how to reply when ur post came up.thanks

Lol Seun, I was expecting to see his comeback

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:


The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death, When understanding of the universe has become widespread, Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity, Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity, And that's why someday its structure will collapse, , the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little, Christianity the liar, We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:


The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:


Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer, The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work, for the purposes of personal exploitation, Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, gays? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight:


Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery, , When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)


14th December, 1941, midday:


Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself, Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:


There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)



ALL THESE ARE WHAT HITLER DISCOVERED AFTER HIS MIND HAS ALREADY BEEN POLLUTED BY THE CHUCH.HE MIGHT HAVE WONDERED WHY THE CHURCH SHOULD BE AGAINST JEWS THE PEOPLE THAT FOUNDED IT.

BUT THE FACT STILL REMAINS.HE WAS BORN AND BAPTISED A CHRISTIAN,HE WANTED TO BE A PREIST,THA MEANS HE MUST HAVE STUDIED CHRISTIANITY,HE WAS PRO-CHURCH AT FIRST, HE THEN LATER DISCOVERED THE FALSEHOOD THERE THEN SPOKE AGAINST IT.

Kobojunkie

IF YOU READ MY POST WELL,YOU WILL SEE THE BOOKS I QUOTED. GOOGLE IT UP OR LOOK FOR THE EBOOK YOURSELF.
THE GROWTH OF COMMUNISM ETC IN EUROPE WAS FUELED BY PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING OF CHURCH FALLACIES.

don maselo:

Kobojunkie

IF YOU READ MY POST WELL,YOU WILL SEE THE BOOKS I QUOTED. GOOGLE IT UP OR LOOK FOR THE EBOOK YOURSELF.
THE GROWTH OF COMMUNISM ETC IN EUROPE WAS FUELED BY PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING OF CHURCH FALLACIES.

You mean you did not see the books I quoted as well?? @Don Maseo, I asked you there , When researching your quotes, did you bother check up on who the man really was and the kind of person he really played to be?? I posted some information for you there to see. Hitler aligned himself in public with anyone he could to get support for his cause, cause based on your argument there that he was a christian cause he said so in public, then he was a muslim and a buddhist too since he did say he believed the muslim cause and got support from that muslim dude indicated.


Here is the thing about debates, when you come in thinking that the people you are talking to have NEVER HEARD or read of the subject you are about to discuss, you are threading dangerous grounds. This is almost like coming in here to claim that Idi Amin was a Christian cause his wife was one or even saying that he was a muslim cause of his name or his family links and stuff or cause he was raised a muslim even though we know in later life the man did not practise much of his faith, as he did his politics.


Come back with better posts next time or at least Read the 360 of the man's life instead of continuing to use that pick and choose tactic which, to be honest with you, is just annoying. If you really want to address a man's life, address his whole, not pick and choose what you want to focus on and then think you can make a point with BITS and pieces of information that do not make the whole man.

kobo
why bother with these short sighted ignorant people, that can only see what their heathen allah and imams say.

Did you not notice his post

don maselo:

GO AND READ HITLERS HISTORY.THE FACT THAT SOME MUSLIMS KILL DONT MEAN ISLAM PREACHES THAT AND THE FACT THAT HITLER IS A PROVEN CHRISTIAN DOESNT MAKE ALL CHRISTIANS MUDERERS.JUST A LITTLE OF HIS HISTORY

Some muslims kill . . . how laughable, more like in every country, you'd find islamists killing in the name of Islam, because Islam preaches death to all non-islamist.

Now you can not bear to face the fact when your lies have been exposed that Hitler is not infact a christian but just a politician with his propaganda like your mohammed.

I guess I better hide now before some of those muslims that kill come to my house.

Rubbish

please send your source because this outrightly contradicts the fact that muslims lived amoniously with the so called infidels in spain for 800 years and even paidthe jews and christains zakat durhng the reign of the caliphs,