InesQor: @Deep Sight:

LOL I am confident that you have made up your mind, since you had to say it thrice

Me I don give up on this discussion sha

Yeah, I posted it thrice in error. Fixed.

Surely, however, you see what I mean in my last post on "authority" in the context of this discussion? Do you now understand why I say looking at it with bare dictionary definitions alone will rob the word of its nuanced connotation in this discussion?

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I understand your point, I just do not agree with it. Why? Bear in mind that the OP is a non-theist, so authority in the context of this thread does not respect non-empirical sources, and non-empirical sources are the usual sources in religion. Meanwhile your own context of authority will require empiricity otherwise every new deviation is an authority. My own point is that since there is no empiricity, then the dictionary definition is perfect because indeed every new deviation is an authority (since at each deviation, neither the previous nor the present positions can be proven objectively).

I decided to quit since we cannot seem to agree on that point.

Image123:
give me one reason why you haven't heeded this advice and two reasons why i should?

mazaje, i await your answer to this question. Why are you yet to surrender your life to Allah? BTW i observed you've deserted the thread, perhaps off to find some great question that finally convinces you that there's no God?

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mazaje, i await your answer to this question. Why are you yet to surrender your life to Allah? BTW i observed you've deserted the thread, perhaps off to find some great question that finally convinces you that there's no God?

I am telling you what Allah the creator of the universe has written down in his book?. . .Give your life to Allah or rot in hell for all eternity. . .You have been warned. . .

mazaje:

I am telling you what Allah the creator of the universe has written down in his book?. . .Give your life to Allah or rot in hell for all eternity. . .You have been warned. . .

you're dodging, artful atheist. Answer the question.

Image123:
you're dodging, artful atheist. Answer the question.

Submit to Allah as a loyal slave and avoid hell. . . .When you die you will know. . .You have been warned. . .

mazaje:

Submit to Allah as a loyal slave and avoid hell. . . .When you die you will know. . .You have been warned. . .

i laugh as i await your next question that would finally convince you that there is no God. Meanwhile, stop exhibiting agberoism. It's the compelling act of calling passengers into a vehicle without plans to follow the vehicle.

Image123:
i laugh as i await your next question that would finally convince you that there is no God. Meanwhile, stop exhibiting agberoism. It's the compelling act of calling passengers into a vehicle without plans to follow the vehicle.

LMAO

Image123:
i laugh as i await your next question that would finally convince you that there is no God. Meanwhile, stop exhibiting agberoism. It's the compelling act of calling passengers into a vehicle without plans to follow the vehicle.

InesQor:

Mohammed's sources in the Quran were ancient Arabian beliefs and practices, Sabian and Jewish beliefs and fables, Zoroastrian and Hanif elements, AND Christian and Christian Apocryphal books. We are here concerned with his Christian sources.

His main Christian source was his first wife Khadija's cousin Waraqa who was a Christian. He was also given a present: a Christian slave girl (Mary, an Egyptian copt who became his concubine and he married her after she gave birth to a son). His last main Christian source were Christians in the village of Najran, further south of Medina.

A distinguishing difference between this scenario and that of the early Judeo-Christians, however, is that Muhammad could not AT ALL read the books from which the Christians used. It was all hearsay, and he was not scholastic in his approach.

However, as I already said earlier on in the thread,



Repeat: The account of the Muslims is authoritative to THEM and holds precedence FOR THEM.

Now, you ask:


No, No and No again. How can there be an authoritative Christian understanding of a Muslim religious text?

As I said, I say again:

Authority refers to an official, administrative or definitive exercise of dominant control or a potency of ideals within an association, organization, group or other collective. An authority is always restricted in its scope of office.

Which means your riposte is just another non-sequitur.

I find your exposë agreeable only to some extent.

However Christianity is intended as a continuing episode of judaism, in that Jesus accepts the precepts and authority of Jews and therefore uses such precepts as a foundation, a launching pad for his theology/religion. Because without judaism there is no Christianity, and a poor understanding of Judaism will render Christianity inadequate.

This problem affects Christianity only, other religions despite their borrowed contents lean on their own authority/force.