frosbel:

You should have done your homework before posting such a very general description of the issues mentioned.

First off Torah and mainly orthodox Jews believe in the same story of creation as is succinctly laid out in the book of Genesis, while the Talmudic Jews and Kaba Jews may have different interpretations.

Also not all Christians believe in original sin, a small number of Christians along with Jews reject the concept of original sin. I personally believe in original sin , in that we are all born with a tendency to sin and without the atonement of Christ we are lost. We need a new birth to be free from sin.

In summary , your title is totally 'misroad' in that it is based on the fallacy that all Jews treat the bible as allegories and that Christians hold the same view of original sin.

get your facts right !!

Image123:

@OP, you berra believe the christian's authority. Those Jews are really 'Jew men'(no pun intended). They are blind for now. So you take what we say, hook, line and sinker, okay?

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." (Romans 11:25).

mazaje:

Whose view of the old testament should be considered authoritative, that if the christians or jew? I say this because the two religions have very different views of the old testament.For example, the jews see the garden of eden story as man’s elevation to a moral sense and awareness, while christians on the other hand see the eden story as the fall of man. Jews do not recognize original sin while christians do and that is a great difference since both of them read from the same book.

Martian:

If this is true, the allegory makes sense. Moral sense and awareness coming from the fruit while god wanted them to live in bliss.

Christians messed up the Jews' story. If was a Jew, I would call them out on it every chance I get. Lmao

mazaje:

Its true, found out from some Jewish friends. . .Used to think the Jews also believed in original sin, fall of man and all that. . . .Just go to know that they do not believe in the christian interpretations of the garden of eden story at all. . .

Martian:

The more you know.

The jews already regard it as an allegory and the Catholics who stole the story even accept their "version" is an allegory. So what are we good old black folks waiting for? We have our heads buried in the sand and we willl continue to bleat about "original sin" and being "under grace" and not "under the law" and Jesus saving us from an allegory.

We are so smart!!!

Martian:

This is one is for both sides and their arguements about Abraham's two sons. It seemed the "apostle formerly known as Saul" thought the story was an allegory too.

Galatians 4 21-31
Slave versus free
21 Tell me—those of you who want to be under the Law—don’t you listen to the Law? 22 It’s written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and one by the free woman. 23 The son by the slave woman was conceived the normal way, but the son by the free woman was conceived through a promise. 24 These things are an allegory: the women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, which gives birth to slave children; this is Hagar. 25 Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and she corresponds to the present-day Jerusalem, because the city is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 It’s written:

mazaje:

The way some deluded Africans go about breaking the story, you will think they know what they are saying, some will even tell you that the jews that OWN the stories and traditions are wrong and do not know what they are talking about. . .

Image123:

@OP, you berra believe the christian's authority. Those Jews are really 'Jew men'(no pun intended). They are blind for now. So you take what we say, hook and sinker, okay?

Image123:

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." (Romans 11:25).

Martian:

Exhibit A
Then they quote more allegories and unknown authors.

dalaman:

I never knew Christians and Jews hold two different views about Eden. So Jews do not believe in fall of man and original sin.

mazaje: Just bumped into this thread. . .

Image123:
i already addressed it and quoted Christian authority to which you had/have no answer.

Logicboy03:



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Image123:
meaning?

Image123:
i already addressed it and quoted Christian authority to which you had/have no answer.

Deep Sight:
On the question of authourity, there can not possibly be any doubt as to which is authouritative and which is not. The Jews have had their Torah for thousands of years. It is a Jewish book and therefore the Jewish understanding of it must remain the only authouritative understanding of it.

It is ridiculous, for a few Jews to start a splinter group with an altogether different understanding from the mainstream understanding of the Jewish scripture, and then claim any authourity in that regard. No matter how big and widespread Christianity is, it will always be merely a corrupted (and blasphemous) splinter from Judaism.

Here are just some of the differences in key beliefs between Judaism and Christianity:

1. Judaism:
- says that no human can ever die or atone for the sins of others and sins can only be atoned for by animal sacrifice or prayer and restitution
Christianity:
- says that Jesus died for the sins of mankind

2. Judaism:
- says that all humans are born pure, and innocent
Christianity:
- says that all humans are born with 'original sin'.

3. Judaism:
- says that no man gets a 'second coming' and the Messiah will not need one
Christianity:
- says that Jesus will have a 'second coming'

4. Judaism:
- says that every human should speak directly to G-d (without intermediaries)
Christianity:
- Jesus claims in the 'new testament' that the 'only way' to G-d is via him*

5. Judaism:
- says G-d is one, indivisible, cannot be separated into three aspects/incarnations
Christianity:
- speaks of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

6. Judaism:
- says that we are all equally G-d's children
Christianity:
- says that Jesus was 'God's son' above all others, and any who accept him will become children of God

7. Judaism:
- has no concept of 'hell' or eternal damnation
Christianity:
- Christians say that non-believers go to 'hell' and are eternally damned

8. Judaism:
- has no 'devil', the Jewish 'Satan' is just an ordinary angel, under G-d's control
Christianity:
- describes 'Satan' as a devil and 'fallen' angel

9. Judaism:
- the 'messiah' will be a normal, mortal man who must fulfill all the Jewish messianic prophecies in one normal, mortal lifetime
Christianity:
- Jesus was the 'messiah' and will fulfill the Christian messianic prophecies when he 'returns'

10. Judaism:
- says that the righteous of all faiths will reach 'gan eden' or 'garden of Eden.
Christianity:
-Christians insist that only those who 'know Christ' can reach heaven

11. Judaism:
- forbids Jews from trying to convert anyone to Judaism
Christianity:
- believes in actively 'witnessing' and encouraging people to convert to Christianity

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_some_differences_between_Judaism_and_Christianity

Deep Sight:
On the question of authourity, there can not possibly be any doubt as to which is authouritative and which is not. The Jews have had their Torah for thousands of years. It is a Jewish book and therefore the Jewish understanding of it must remain the only authouritative understanding of it.

It is ridiculous, for a few Jews to start a splinter group with an altogether different understanding from the mainstream understanding of the Jewish scripture, and then claim any authourity in that regard. No matter how big and widespread Christianity is, it will always be merely a corrupted (and blasphemous) splinter from Judaism.

Here are just some of the differences in key beliefs between Judaism and Christianity:

1. Judaism:
- says that no human can ever die or atone for the sins of others and sins can only be atoned for by animal sacrifice or prayer and restitution
Christianity:
- says that Jesus died for the sins of mankind

2. Judaism:
- says that all humans are born pure, and innocent
Christianity:
- says that all humans are born with 'original sin'.

3. Judaism:
- says that no man gets a 'second coming' and the Messiah will not need one
Christianity:
- says that Jesus will have a 'second coming'

4. Judaism:
- says that every human should speak directly to G-d (without intermediaries)
Christianity:
- Jesus claims in the 'new testament' that the 'only way' to G-d is via him*

5. Judaism:
- says G-d is one, indivisible, cannot be separated into three aspects/incarnations
Christianity:
- speaks of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

6. Judaism:
- says that we are all equally G-d's children
Christianity:
- says that Jesus was 'God's son' above all others, and any who accept him will become children of God

7. Judaism:
- has no concept of 'hell' or eternal damnation
Christianity:
- Christians say that non-believers go to 'hell' and are eternally damned

8. Judaism:
- has no 'devil', the Jewish 'Satan' is just an ordinary angel, under G-d's control
Christianity:
- describes 'Satan' as a devil and 'fallen' angel

9. Judaism:
- the 'messiah' will be a normal, mortal man who must fulfill all the Jewish messianic prophecies in one normal, mortal lifetime
Christianity:
- Jesus was the 'messiah' and will fulfill the Christian messianic prophecies when he 'returns'

10. Judaism:
- says that the righteous of all faiths will reach 'gan eden' or 'garden of Eden.
Christianity:
-Christians insist that only those who 'know Christ' can reach heaven

11. Judaism:
- forbids Jews from trying to convert anyone to Judaism
Christianity:
- believes in actively 'witnessing' and encouraging people to convert to Christianity

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_some_differences_between_Judaism_and_Christianity

mazaje:

Christian authority?. . .

Logicboy03:


to the left (Yaba preferably)


NEXT!

Image123:
oh that's the left direction legion whispers to you?

Image123:
yes, Christian authority.
"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." (Romans 11:25).