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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:13pm On Jun 20, 2021
hensben:
As a DM Bousquet can never be better than yaya, him nor reach yaya for anything. Same yaya that played CB for Barca.

When did Yaya play DM? In City he was much of a liability that they shunted him away from DM and played him in CM where he will be less impactful with his careless football
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:15pm On Jun 20, 2021
Leyqute:


This is so not true. Bousquet might be better suited to Pep’s pass-intensive style of play than Yaya Toure but he is not better than him.

If you ask 10 top coaches to pick either Yaya Toure or Sergio Bousquet for their team, 9 of them will pick Yaya. Only Pep will go for Bousquet.

Yaya played under many coaches, How many of them played him at DM?
At City, It was DeJong or Fernandinho

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:15pm On Jun 20, 2021
hensben:
Raumdeuter bousq nor bath well to talk were yaya dey for football matters.

That was why Busquets chased him away from DM to CB later to the City from the top level of football

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 5:16pm On Jun 20, 2021
raumdeuter:


When Xabi was in his prime, he was not trusted to play as a DM

At Liverpool it was Mascherano, In Spain it was Senna, In Madrid it was Khedira

Xabi came to Bayern when he was 33, he played there till he retired. Is that what you call “prime”?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:16pm On Jun 20, 2021
hensben:
As a DM Bousquet can never be better than yaya, him nor reach yaya for anything. Same yaya that played CB for Barca.

If Yaya was good at DM he wont be sent away from the position and out of the club

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:18pm On Jun 20, 2021
devvy44:


Xabi came to Bayern when he was 33, he played there till he retired. Is that what you call “prime”?

Was he 33 when he played at Liverpool from 2005 or was he 33 when he played for Madrid? or 33 when he played for Spain?

Everytime there was a DM to cover his asss, If not Momo SIsoko, it was Macherano, it was Khedira, it was Senna or it was Busquets
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 5:18pm On Jun 20, 2021
milann:
Pepe Reina, Fabregas, Dani Guiza, Reyes, Xabi Alonso all made the spanish squad despite playing in outside leagues

And were did I say they didn't make the Spanish NT ?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueMann: 5:19pm On Jun 20, 2021
Veratti keeps overdoing things.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 5:19pm On Jun 20, 2021
drisham:


Ell best player in the mud grin
left him for dead, they have trolled Ruben dias today, I swear that guy needs to find a way to stop havertz when next they play each other cause it's not funny, people have started counting his L's

Even ESPN twitter admin join troll the guy.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 5:21pm On Jun 20, 2021
airmark:


Show me sensible Chelsea fans saying Kante is always the one causing Chelsea to concede goals.

changing goal post as usual.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 5:22pm On Jun 20, 2021
raumdeuter:


If Yaya was good at DM he wont be sent away from the position and out of the club
Its not about being good, it’s just pep style and philosophy. He did it at Bayern too by playing Martinez in CB. He did it with Fernandinho too does that make rodri better than him? Answer. In actual sense and according to pep’s style those DM playing CB are the still defensive midfielder for the team because his team play high line. He had to adjust this madness in epl because of the pace of the league. Before pep Martinez was a beast in DM for Bayern, they won everything before pep came to destroy the team tempo. Or you want to tell me Martinez was bad because pep played him as CB.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 5:24pm On Jun 20, 2021
Emerson is okay to be our LB back up
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kilishihunter: 5:24pm On Jun 20, 2021
hensben:
Its not about being good, it’s just pep style and philosophy. He did it at Bayern too by playing Martinez in CB. He did it with Fernandinho too does that make rodri better than him? Answer. In actual sense and according to pep’s style those DM playing CB are the still defensive midfielder for the team because his team play high line. He had to adjust this madness in epl because of the pace of the league. Before pep Martinez was a beast in DM for Bayern, they won everything before pep came to destroy the team tempo.
Are Vicente del Bosque and Luis Enrique that played busquets at DM Pep too?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 5:28pm On Jun 20, 2021
popizaino:
changing goal post as usual.

No.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:28pm On Jun 20, 2021
hensben:
Its not about being good, it’s just pep style and philosophy. He did it at Bayern too by playing Martinez in CB. He did it with Fernandinho too does that make rodri better than him? Answer. In actual sense and according to pep’s style those DM playing CB are the still defensive midfielder for the team because his team play high line. He had to adjust this madness in epl because of the pace of the league. Before pep Martinez was a beast in DM for Bayern, they won everything before pep came to destroy the team tempo. Or you want to tell me Martinez was bad because pep played him as CB.


Martinez played CB and DM for Bilbao before coming to Bayern
After Yaya left Pep, other coaches didnt play him at DM also. Was it because Pep influenced Mancini and Pellegrini?
Fernandinho and DeJong played DM and not Yaya

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 5:29pm On Jun 20, 2021
Kilishihunter:

Are Vicente del Bosque and Luis Enrique that played busquets at DM Pep too?
Spain under Vincente Alonso was the actual DM, bousq was just there to continue that his tag with xavi and iniesta. What has Spain achieve under Enrique.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:30pm On Jun 20, 2021
Kilishihunter:

Are Vicente del Bosque and Luis Enrique that played busquets at DM Pep too?

The list of coaches who didnt play Xabi at DM,
Benitez, Pellegrini, Mourinho, Aragones Ancelotti etc

The list of coaches who didnt play Yaya at DM
Mancini and Pellegrini

But its all Pep

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:31pm On Jun 20, 2021
hensben:
Spain under Vincente Alonso was the actual DM, bousq was just there to continue that his tag with xavi and iniesta. What has Spain achieve under Enrique.

DelBosque was Spanish coach between 2008 and 2016
Yet he used Busquets at DM over Xabi

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueMann: 5:32pm On Jun 20, 2021
Ampadu with a block off the line earlier...might have been heading wide anyways.

Brilliant show of pace from Emerson but he just loses control in the box.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 5:32pm On Jun 20, 2021
raumdeuter:



Martinez played CB and DM for Bilbao before coming to Bayern
After Yaya left Pep, other coaches didnt play him at DM also. Was it because Pep influenced Mancini and Pellegrini?
Fernandinho and DeJong played DM and not Yaya
The reason yaya left, he is a complete midfielder and these two managers saw that he offers a lot for the team going forward so they never thought of playing him as DM, they are not pep that over do things. Are you aware pep destroyed Martinez career by wasting him in a CB position when he just hit his peak as CDM for Bayern that won them everything.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:33pm On Jun 20, 2021
hensben:
The reason yaya left, he is a complete midfielder and these two managers saw that he offers a lot for the team going forward so they never thought of playing him as DM, they are not pep that over do things. Are you aware pep destroyed Martinez career by wasting him in a CB position when he just hit his peak as CDM for Bayern that won them everything.

Pep played with Martinez for 3 seasons
Martinez played for Ancelotti Kovac and Flick, why are they not playing Martinez as DM?

DM is a delicate part f the team where you cannot afford to have rash or mistake prone players. If you are mistake prone any sensible coach will move you away from where you can cost the team
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 5:34pm On Jun 20, 2021
raumdeuter:


DelBosque was Spanish coach between 2008 and 2016
Yet he used Busquets at DM over Xabi
He never used bousq over Xabi. Xabi was starting every game. When Xabi retire for spain their yanch open as usual.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havertz10: 5:37pm On Jun 20, 2021
Segedinho:

I think he is best as a 9


His sleeky moves na die
this one was my favorite, he asked for the ball, noticed the position of everybody around him

Got the ball midair, passed it across the keeper and stood there watching the chaos that he has caused

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:37pm On Jun 20, 2021
hensben:
He never used bousq over Xabi. Xabi was starting every game. When Xabi retire for spain their yanch open as usual.

Was Xabi not part of the 2014 team where they got rubbished and Xabi was one of the major culprits?

Busquest was always playing DM

Xabi does not know how to mark nor intercept without fouling, His best attributes were long passes when he is not pressed
Opposition coaches started instructing AM to press Xabi and deny him spaces and he fell apart

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 5:38pm On Jun 20, 2021
raumdeuter:


Pep played with Martinez for 3 seasons
Martinez played for Ancelotti Kovac and Flick, why are they not playing Martinez as DM?

DM is a delicate part f the team where you cannot afford to have rash or mistake prone players. If you are mistake prone any sensible coach will move you away from where you can cost the team
So how did Martinez now won everything while playing CDM before pep came. After being played as CB for three seasons he will definitely forget CDM work and players will be bought too by new coach so the damage have already being done by pep on Martinez.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 5:40pm On Jun 20, 2021
GOLAZZOOOOOOO!
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueMann: 5:40pm On Jun 20, 2021
Pessina scores. Azzurri take the lead kiss
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 5:41pm On Jun 20, 2021
raumdeuter:


Was Xabi not part of the 2014 team where they got rubbished and Xabi was one of the major culprits?

Busquest was always playing DM

Xabi does not know how to mark nor intercept without fouling, His best attributes were long passes when he is not pressed
Opposition coaches started instructing AM to press Xabi and deny him spaces and he fell apart
Because he was already old. As agile and strong as Fernandinho you saw how Mount put am for floor. Bousq was the younger player, he was suppose to take up the mantle instead him yansh open.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:42pm On Jun 20, 2021
hensben:
Because he was already old. As agile and strong as Fernandinho you saw how Mount put am for floor. Bousq was the younger player, he was suppose to take up the mantle

Was Alonso old when Mascherano Khedira and Sisoko was used as DM over him at Liverpool and Madrid?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 5:44pm On Jun 20, 2021
raumdeuter:


Was Alonso old when Mascherano Khedira and Sisoko was used as DM over him at Liverpool and Madrid?
But Alonso was deep lying play maker of the team and he was doing his job perfectly. Wait are you comparing bousq with Alonso? Nor try am. Someone that played for Liverpool, Madrid and Bayern nor be small player.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 5:48pm On Jun 20, 2021
raumdeuter:


DelBosque was Spanish coach between 2008 and 2016
Yet he used Busquets at DM over Xabi
raumdeuter:


The list of coaches who didnt play Xabi at DM,
Benitez, Pellegrini, Mourinho Ancelotti, Luis Enrique etc

The list of coaches who didnt play Yaya at DM
Mancini and Pellegrini

But its all Pep

raumdeuter:


Was Alonso old when Mascherano Khedira and Sisoko was used as DM over him at Liverpool and Madrid?


Rest

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 5:49pm On Jun 20, 2021
raumdeuter:


Yaya played under many coaches, How many of them played him at DM?
At City, It was DeJong or Fernandinho

LooL. You’re funny. Only God knows how you think.

So is DeJong and Fernandinho better DMs than Yaya Toure then?

Yaya Toure has quality skills that can help the team win games. His versatility and quality are why he’s given more midfield tasks and also why he’s played in a more advanced position sometimes. That is the reason those players got the nod ahead of him at DM, not because they’re better DMs than he is.

If a coach needs to fill ONLY the DM position and has to choose between Yaya, De Jong and Bousquet. Yaya will come first.

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