nihilistjnr:


The original context of discussion was what Anya said about the Queen.
Anya was talking about Britain's involvement in the Biafran war and blaming the Queen squarely for that unfortunate event.
Her take, although asinine, has some tenuous links to reality, in that the Queen was the constitutional head of state of a country that provided aid to the Federal Government during the war.

Your take here however, has no grounding within the original context. Slavery in the UK for example was never legal. As early as 1562 Slavery was established as illegal under English Common Law. The vast majority of slave trade related actions happened OUTSIDE the United Kingdom in the middle passage of the Transatlantic Trade -and Britain played a huge part in ending the transatlantic slave trade - almost singlehandedly sef.

You could argue that the British Mercantile Class profited handsomely from selling human chattel, and you could argue that the profits of of the Slave trade found its way back to the UK, but what does that have to do with the Queen - and more specifically, THIS Queen?

How is it that we're going after the Queen of a country where slavery has been illegal for 600 years, instead of the various kings of Nigeria that practiced slave trade aggressively for centuries until that same Britain literally had to use violence to force them to stop

Even after Transatlantic slave trade had ENDED, slavery was still BOOMING in Northern Nigeria. Before you start calling out 'Institutional Racism' that doesn't affect 99.9% of Nigerians living in Nigeria, why are you not worrying about the descendants of the millions of slaves that constituted up to HALF the population of a Nigerian Caliphate?



It doesnt sound as woke, does it?

nihilistjnr:

It's all fun and games in twitter until its time to be deported back to wakanda, then you'll start hearing these wokists saying the UK isn't that bad.

nihilistjnr:


The original context of discussion was what Anya said about the Queen.
Anya was talking about Britain's involvement in the Biafran war and blaming the Queen squarely for that unfortunate event.
Her take, although asinine, has some tenuous links to reality, in that the Queen was the constitutional head of state of a country that provided aid to the Federal Government during the war.

Your take here however, has no grounding within the original context. Slavery in the UK for example was never legal. As early as 1562 Slavery was established as illegal under English Common Law. The vast majority of slave trade related actions happened OUTSIDE the United Kingdom in the middle passage of the Transatlantic Trade -and Britain played a huge part in ending the transatlantic slave trade - almost singlehandedly sef.

You could argue that the British Mercantile Class profited handsomely from selling human chattel, and you could argue that the profits of of the Slave trade found its way back to the UK, but what does that have to do with the Queen - and more specifically, THIS Queen?

How is it that we're going after the Queen of a country where slavery has been illegal for 600 years, instead of the various kings of Nigeria that practiced slave trade aggressively for centuries until that same Britain literally had to use violence to force them to stop

Even after Transatlantic slave trade had ENDED, slavery was still BOOMING in Northern Nigeria. Before you start calling out 'Institutional Racism' that doesn't affect 99.9% of Nigerians living in Nigeria, why are you not worrying about the descendants of the millions of slaves that constituted up to HALF the population of a Nigerian Caliphate?



It doesnt sound as woke, does it?

izzou:
So the Irish people are saying horrible stuffs too.

I'm here to read comments anyway

nihilistjnr:


The original context of discussion was what Anya said about the Queen.
Anya was talking about Britain's involvement in the Biafran war and blaming the Queen squarely for that unfortunate event.
Her take, although asinine, has some tenuous links to reality, in that the Queen was the constitutional head of state of a country that provided aid to the Federal Government during the war.

Your take here however, has no grounding within the original context. Slavery in the UK for example was never legal. As early as 1562 Slavery was established as illegal under English Common Law. The vast majority of slave trade related actions happened OUTSIDE the United Kingdom in the middle passage of the Transatlantic Trade -and Britain played a huge part in ending the transatlantic slave trade - almost singlehandedly sef.

You could argue that the British Mercantile Class profited handsomely from selling human chattel, and you could argue that the profits of of the Slave trade found its way back to the UK, but what does that have to do with the Queen - and more specifically, THIS Queen?

How is it that we're going after the Queen of a country where slavery has been illegal for 600 years, instead of the various kings of Nigeria that practiced slave trade aggressively for centuries until that same Britain literally had to use violence to force them to stop

Even after Transatlantic slave trade had ENDED, slavery was still BOOMING in Northern Nigeria. Before you start calling out 'Institutional Racism' that doesn't affect 99.9% of Nigerians living in Nigeria, why are you not worrying about the descendants of the millions of slaves that constituted up to HALF the population of a Nigerian Caliphate?



It doesnt sound as woke, does it?

GloriousGbola:


Ironically most of the people celebrating her tweet still defend neo-slavery. (children as househelps).

GloriousGbola:


Ironically most of the people celebrating her tweet still defend neo-slavery. (children as househelps).

They also staunchly defended ekeremadu exploiting the resources of a poorer individual for a 'generous' fee.

And they are also selling us out as a dumping ground for dangerous Chinese products and western waste.

GloriousGbola:


Ironically most of the people celebrating her tweet still defend neo-slavery. (children as househelps).

They also staunchly defended ekeremadu exploiting the resources of a poorer individual for a 'generous' fee.

And they are also selling us out as a dumping ground for dangerous Chinese products and western waste.[/s]

Havertz10:
You fail to understand me, i’m more interested in the whole story, the reason i’m happy about prof Uju’s tweet is that her action has taken discuss on the subject mainstream, people from all parts of the world are sharing their thoughts on how vile western nations are, the reality here is that slavery never ended, look at guys today running to western nations looking for a good life, it’s slavery all over again, only that this time they need educated slaves with the means, it’s still the same thing, your only crime was to fall into the wrong gene pool and certain people will forever dominate you, it’s a statement of fact, irrespective of your location

Havertz10:
When we talk about institutional racism it supersedes any effort that African nations can make, the entire system has to be changed, that’s the angle i’m coming at this from, it’s far more than colonialism, the omnipresent shadow nature of racism in our world today isn’t talked about enough, everything feeds of the ideology that i’m better than the next man because I possess certain random features that are prioritized over morality or equity

Agreed Nobody is innocent here broadly, but certain people have been fooling others for centuries into believing that the game is fair and the problem is solely theirs

GloriousGbola:


Ironically most of the people celebrating her tweet still defend neo-slavery. (children as househelps).

They also staunchly defended ekeremadu exploiting the resources of a poorer individual for a 'generous' fee.

And they are also selling us out as a dumping ground for dangerous Chinese products and western waste.

GloriousGbola:


Ironically most of the people celebrating her tweet still defend neo-slavery. (children as househelps).

They also staunchly defended ekeremadu exploiting the resources of a poorer individual for a 'generous' fee.

And they are also selling us out as a dumping ground for dangerous Chinese products and western waste.

GloriousGbola:


Ironically most of the people celebrating her tweet still defend neo-slavery. (children as househelps).

They also staunchly defended ekeremadu exploiting the resources of a poorer individual for a 'generous' fee.

And they are also selling us out as a dumping ground for dangerous Chinese products and western waste.

izzou:


You could have just typed the Igbo tribe, instead of three paragraphs. That would be much easier

This is petty, my chief

izzou:


You could have just typed the Igbo tribe, instead of three paragraphs. That would be much easier

This is petty, my chief

izzou:


You could have just typed the Igbo tribe, instead of three paragraphs. That would be much easier

This is petty, my chief

popizaino:


Yes you are right but what happened after then ?

GloriousGbola:


well, yes, igbos are the chief culprits for child househelps. that is more or less anecdotal[not statistical] fact.

but it goes beyond igbos as many Nigerians have been jailed in the same uk for bringing people to be househelps, and that is defined as slavery/traffiking.

but for ekeremadu - he was defended by nigerians of all tribes. most of us seemed to think that as long as ekeremadu had paid the guy, no harm no foul. whats the difference between that and slavers giving chiefs mirrors in exchange for human beings - they too have paid.

which is why all the complaints about slavery [using human beings as resources] is hypocritical if we have no problems doing the same thing to ourselves

most of this was clearly encapsulated in FFK's staunch and robust defense that the guy was paid

it is ironic that it is now the UK jailing africans for perpetuating slavery within their borders.

and nigerians of all levels are selling us out to the chinese.

the govt is doing so [with loans we cannot repay] , and the businessmen are also doing so [with substandard goods].

Havertz10:
A40

About the Japanese, it wasn’t because of the damage caused by the war, Americans were paranoid that American citizens with Japanese heritage could betray them during the war with Japan, so they rounded all of them up and locked them up in camps, it was after the war that they were released and reparations discussed

Ibime:
The Queen lived a life of duty

She moved the monarchy along progressively toward humanist values. Like we all should despite the sins of our forefathers.

donjazet:
There is nothing I hate as much as whataboutism.

It's simply a deflectionary tool used in discourse to steer away from the issue at hand.

Fact: America is a land filled with racism.

Discussion is now supposed to be centered on how racism is obviously bad and efforts we could take to tackle racism and make the society more equitable for all in this modern age.

WHATABOUTISM; "what about your home country" littered with corruption, tribalism, ineffective leadership etc. Go back to your country then.

Well 2 WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT. When the day presents itself to tackle a supposed issue, we tackle it too. We talk about how we can enact good leadership, how we could shed our tribal identities and see ourselves as one etc etc .

But the fact that once people bring up a dysfunctional system or situation, you revert to whataboutism shows you're on the wrong side.

As for the monarchy issue, you would be surprised that it's even more of British people that are criticizing the monarchy than "outsiders".

Go to Twitter and see how some Britain's are actually happy she's gone and hoping this brings the end to the monarchy. There is even a political party to that effect.

Britons are even more "woke" than the foreigners.

So yes, queen Elizabeth might not have had a hand in many atrocities (although there are some like suppressing Kenya's emancipation efforts) and the fact that she staunchly maintains the commonwealth which is an antique of colonial Britai, but there is a genuine feeling that she could have at least spoken out against some atrocities of the crown she inherited.

I don't join those who are speaking ill of the dead but condemning the legit points raised is unfortunate.

izzou:


I already knew the whataboutism won't last.

The point was there. I didn't see the need for Politicians, Bitter feminist and all that we read yesterday.

How she tweeted was inconsiderate and wrong, but her point was there and it cannot be erased.

Now that other nationalities that aren't black are doing the same thing Uju did, Africa can now rest