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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:58pm On Jan 28
I am starting to see some arrogance from fans towards the Angola game. I hope it doesn't get to the players and coaches too

Abeg o. I don see this kain movie before. Angola game will surely be tougher than Cameroun.

I hope our players don't buy into the hype and lose tactical discipline. We play better with this lineup, sit back and counter with speed while exploiting mistakes.

Don't let Angola lure us into playing one yeye attacking football

We shouldn't get carried away Angola is a better team than Cameroun

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:02pm On Jan 28
timbros:


AFCON 2000 final against Cameroun, who completed the comeback to take the game to penalties?

Who you don hate, you don hate am, but at least if you dey analyse Okocha, try dey talk everything as e be.

I know that you will somehow twist that match and blame Okocha for the loss. But it's fine.

Who is the reason we were overrun in the first place

There is a reason Oliseh, Finidi and Kanu played for tier 1 clubs while Okocha was in backwater

No serious club will entertain a circus clown in their midfield that leaves so many holes around his partner, doesn't press his side etc. It is only Nigeria with Etim Essien ay ay ay culture that will accommodate such a player

Okocha was played behind the striker at Fener and on the left wing at Bolton. He was a CM liability. Amokachi used to function as a midfielder to alleviate him, when Amokachi got injured against Italy in 1994, we fell apart

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 3:02pm On Jan 28
raumdeuter:
I am starting to see some arrogance from fans towards the Angola game. I hope it doesn't get to the players and coaches too

Abeg o. I don see this kain movie before. Angola game will surely be tougher than Cameroun.

I hope our players don't buy into the hype and lose tactical discipline. We play better with this lineup, sit back and counter with speed while exploiting mistakes.

Don't let Angola lure us into playing one yeye attacking football

We shouldn't get carried away Angola is a better team than Cameroun
Eggzactly
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:09pm On Jan 28
afrodoc2:


Finished is not just about age. Injuries dealt with Oliseh. He was not the same guy again by that time. Finidi was very finished by that time.

I remember that time Troussier with his French accent saying, "Garba Lawal plays according to instruction". Fans go dey vex! grin

Although i think later on Lawal was playing there partly to protect Pastor Taribo as well.

Troussier knew what he was doing. That France 98 qualifiers he insisted on Garba and played 352 but everyday journalists go dey insult am say this is not our style. We want to play 442 attacking while having Okocha entertain us.

We qualified easily then sacked Troussier because he was not playing the Nigeria way. To hand over to Bora Multivitamin

Na only Oliseh fit hold midfield when playing Okocha because Oliseh was very strong and has a brain to release pass and spread the field.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:18pm On Jan 28
Ibime:


Who is the reason we were overrun in the first place

There is a reason Oliseh, Finidi and Kanu played for tier 1 clubs while Okocha was in backwater

No serious club will entertain a circus clown in their midfield that leaves so many holes around his partner, doesn't press his side etc. It is only Nigeria with Etim Essien ay ay ay culture that will accommodate such a player

Okocha was played behind the striker at Fener and on the left wing at Bolton. He was a CM liability. Amokachi used to function as a midfielder to alleviate him, when Amokachi got injured against Italy in 1994, we fell apart


Towards France 98 dem interview Okocha and he said he has one dribble to present to fans at France 98 that he is practicing. He named the dribble Makossa style. I think it was the double legover. That was what he spent the tournament trying to perfect while we dey collect from everyone. Towards USA was when he introduced the Rabona to us

Vs Denmark I remember one move wey Okocha lose ball, Finidi and Oliseh were running like armed robbers to retrieve the ball back. By the time they got it back, worked the ball to Okocha he controlled and he to a standstill already surrounded by 2 Danish players then Okocha come start his Makosa dribble one Danish player chopped grass into the sidelines but others recovered the ball and Okocha just gave the other teammates a smile

Omo the kain head dribble wey Ebbe Sand give Taribo for the 3rd goal led him straight into Pastor work cos he saw heaven that day

Players like Okocha, St Maximin, Lualua Tresor Lomana, even Wilfred Zaha you better push then to wing or second striker. If you put them in midfield na suffer get them

How many DM failed for Naija that time Oliha Olofinjana Ikpe Ekong, Godwin Okpara(that was hailed for stopping R9 in a UEFA cup game before R9 destroyed him in the return leg). Na only Oliseh wey fit shout on Okocha fit control am small

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 3:19pm On Jan 28
raumdeuter:


Tactically Okocha made us vulnerable against Cameroun and the loss was partly on him

We played flat 442
Mutiu Furo Taribo Celestine
Finidi Oliseh Okpara Okocha
------Kanu Chukwu

Looking at that set up you see Okocha was supposed to be the left winger but because of his Tactical indiscipline he left that side and was playing a free role

Seeing the weakness Okocha caused, Pierre Lechantre the Cameroun coach put Geremi and Lauren on the right wing and double tagged Celestine to introduce us to live ganggbang of Babayaro in Surulere National stadium

That was where we lost the tactical battle. Of course the hero ball goal is what most will remember but we won't remember the vulnerability and weakness he introduced to the team

Yesterday sub out Okocha in for Iwobi and you will see us being Overrun while he will entertain us with double legover, rabona, spitting after losing ball and we will be here lamenting how we lost to this Cameroun wey no fit dribble

Do you see Okocha losing ball and sprintng back 30yards to win it back? No he will leave those dirty work for Oliseh dem

@bolded.... This is exactly how 442 of the 90s work. Then, no one expect a number 10 to fall back and do defensive works. That job is for the number 4 (what many call number 6 today).

And no, Okocha was not the left winger in that match. Okocha was the number 10.

I don't know what you guys problem is with Okocha in those two matches against Cameroun where he scored. In 2000, the game ended in PK shootout. In 2004, we won 2-1.

Cc Ibime

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 3:19pm On Jan 28
timbros:


Airmark have agreed with me that attack is not our major problem but we need to balance the team for us to see that needed improvement.

Case closed.

Clown, you want us to buy more defenders when we have like 9 defenders and had to ship Maatsen away.

Thank God your profession is not near any stadium.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Joezinho: 3:25pm On Jan 28
Ibime:


Okocha is the reason the midfield was overrun against Cameroun. Oliseh was working alone. All Okocha did in that game was score free kick. He was directly responsible for Camerouns midfield dominance

Go and check how we dominated the semifinal against South Africa when Okocha was suspended and we had real midfielders rather than an "entertainer" in the middle. SA was a major team back then having won 1996 and made the final in 1998. We played them off the park showing some actual midfield functionality for the first time in that tournament, but no, they had to bring Okocha back in the final to dabaru everything.

Then go and tell me how Okocha got red card in the quarter final against Senegal and we were on the brink of elimination till Oliseh had to come off the bench with malaria to bail us out with long pass to Aghahowa to turn round the tie from losing 1-0 in the dying minutes to 2-1


I will keep saying it, Super Eagles always played better without that circus footballer. USA 1994, his only start was against Italy. We were doing well till they gave him shirt. Olympics he was useless, Oruma was always the one coming on to change the game

Be honest, can you let Okocha run midfield for your club in a 4-4-2 era? Your DM better have 5 lungs to cover him

Egbon, a playmaker looks good when his team mates finish what he creates, but with a goal-shy front line of Kanu and Chukwu (if not for aghahowa that saved us) at the afcon 2000, jayjay was forced to try to be the source of goals himself. And he did his best. Imagine he was also the joint top scorer at afcon 2004!! As good as Oliseh was he was not better than Mikel Obi who is constantly being disrespected by fans..

You talked about the quarter finals but didn’t mention his impact in the group stages where he serially raped mustapha hadji and khale with the later running away from the game before the end after the constant knacking from okocha.

We miss the flare and creativity in the AM, Okocha’s game goes way over dribbles, the intelligence is just mesmerizing to watch. We simply don’t have a player with such skill. Iwobi is poor mans Okocha.

And of course sir, like most other playmakers, he can only really be effective operating behind a front two..

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:26pm On Jan 28
timbros:


@bolded.... This is exactly how 442 of the 90s work. Then, no one expect a number 10 to fall back and do defensive works. That job is for the number 4 (what many call number 6 today).

And no, Okocha was not the left winger in that match. Okocha was the number 10.

I don't know what you guys problem is with Okocha in those two matches against Cameroun where he scored. In 2000, the game ended in PK shootout. In 2004, we won 2-1.

Cc Ibime

Match ended 2-2 but if it was a boxing match, corner would have thrown in towel tay tay, they absolutely pummelled us.

Go and compare to our semifinal against RSA where we dominated due to Okocha suspension

The only difference was Adepoju for Okocha

And no, teams did not play DM and flagrant delinquent AM then. England play Scholes as second CM, Italy play Dino Baggio or Albertini. Brazil play Kleberson ontop Gilberto Silva, France play Vieira or Petit as CM with Deschamps behind. Holland play Davids plus Cocu. The second CM was not a flagrant tactical delinquent like Okocha except in ay ay ay land.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:29pm On Jan 28
timbros:


@bolded.... This is exactly how 442 of the 90s work. Then, no one expect a number 10 to fall back and do defensive works. That job is for the number 4 (what many call number 6 today).

And no, Okocha was not the left winger in that match. Okocha was the number 10.

I don't know what you guys problem is with Okocha in those two matches against Cameroun where he scored. In 2000, the game ended in PK shootout. In 2004, we won 2-1.

Cc Ibime

You win matchups mostly by creating overloads if opposing coach notice that you have a passenger they will quickly destroy you

There were different types of 10s we have the Lualua Okocha type wey go dribble and lose ball carelessly and we had the Amokachi/Siasia, Oruma, Friday Ekpo wey no sabi dribble but will put body for ball and destroy opponent with pass

In that 442 you either need a 10 who won't lose the ball carelessly e.g Man utd will play 2 wingers Beckham and Giggs but they are sure Keane and Scholes go solidify your middle

2nd option is to cancel one wing for another CM to accommodate your flamboyant 10 who is mostly a tactical liability

When Camerounian had the ball and your left winger should fall back to help the LB, Okocha will be in center circle waiting for them to retrieve the ball and send forward

That 2000, Cameroun dey use Vivien foe for 10. Big body hard worker. We use ayyy huuu ayyy huuu

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:36pm On Jan 28
Joezinho:


Egbon, a playmaker looks good when his team mates finish what he creates, but with a goal-shy front line of Kanu and Chukwu (if not for aghahowa that saved us) at the afcon 2000, jayjay was forced to try to be the source of goals himself. And he did his best. Imagine he was also the joint top scorer at afcon 2004!! As good as Oliseh was he was not better than Mikel Obi who is constantly being disrespected by fans..

You talked about the quarter finals but didn’t mention his impact in the group stages where he serially raped mustapha hadji and khale with the later running away from the game before the end after the constant knacking from okocha.

We miss the flare and creativity in the AM, Okocha’s game goes way over dribbles, the intelligence is just mesmerizing to watch. We simply don’t have a player with such skill. Iwobi is poor mans Okocha.

And of course sir, like most other playmakers, he can only really be effective operating behind a front two..

Oliseh was better as a DM than Mikel

What do you think is the reason big teams no reason Okocha type football but Fenernahce Bolton type clubs

When we win its mostly to park Okocha to a peripheral role, when we make him the cornerstone we lose or get embarrassed by not qualifying for 2006 world cup
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 3:36pm On Jan 28
airmark:


Clown, you want us to buy more defenders when we have like 9 defenders and had to ship Maatsen away.

Thank God your profession is not near any stadium.

You knew all this and yet agreed with me. Who is the clown here?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:40pm On Jan 28
Joezinho:

You talked about the quarter finals but didn’t mention his impact in the group stages where he serially raped mustapha hadji and khale with the later running away from the game before the end after the constant knacking from okocha.

Calm down. Morocco were nobodies in African football. Yeah they went to World Cup and did one or two but exited at group stages. From 1990 to 2004, I'm sure you can't name one AFCON where Morocco have made an impact. Even till today, they are still nobodies in AFCON.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by AdisaOwala: 3:54pm On Jan 28
raumdeuter:


Towards France 98 dem interview Okocha and he said he has one dribble to present to fans at France 98 that he is practicing. He named the dribble Makossa style. I think it was the double legover. That was what he spent the tournament trying to perfect while we dey collect from everyone. Towards USA was when he introduced the Rabona to us

Vs Denmark I remember one move wey Okocha lose ball, Finidi and Oliseh were running like armed robbers to retrieve the ball back. By the time they got it back, worked the ball to Okocha he controlled and he to a standstill already surrounded by 2 Danish players then Okocha come start his Makosa dribble one Danish player chopped grass into the sidelines but others recovered the ball and Okocha just gave the other teammates a smile

Omo the kain head dribble wey Ebbe Sand give Taribo for the 3rd goal led him straight into Pastor work cos he saw heaven that day

Players like Okocha, St Maximin, Lualua Tresor Lomana, even Wilfred Zaha you better push then to wing or second striker. If you put them in midfield na suffer get them

How many DM failed for Naija that time Oliha Olofinjana Ikpe Ekong, Godwin Okpara(that was hailed for stopping R9 in a UEFA cup game before R9 destroyed him in the return leg). Na only Oliseh wey fit shout on Okocha fit control am small

Haba brossssss grin

Ásódún don dey enter this thing o

Lool
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Joezinho: 4:06pm On Jan 28
raumdeuter:


Oliseh was better as a DM than Mikel

What do you think is the reason big teams no reason Okocha type football but Fenernahce Bolton type clubs

When we win its mostly to park Okocha to a peripheral role, when we make him the cornerstone we lose or get embarrassed by not qualifying for 2006 world cup

Ironically, it was when Okocha turned tyrant due to the treatments meted on the team by the NFF, Nigeria didn't qualify for the 2006 World Cup. In a rather unfortunate way, that hints at how important he was to the Eagles.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 4:11pm On Jan 28
pkasso:
Guy, you get elephant memory for someone so young oh. We beat Zimbabwe 5-1 for Abuja, i think only for Fabrice Akwa to send Angola through with that goal. Na the same guy kill us that year. 2006 WC qualification was wild. Egypt, Cameroon, Nigeria all failed to qualify. Ivory Coast, Angola, Ghana and Togo, under Stephen Keshi made it to their first World Cup.

I pay attention to things and people I love.


I love love love football. I live it, breathe it, play it, analyse it.

The fifth team was shaa Tunisia.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Joezinho: 4:15pm On Jan 28
Ibime:


Calm down. Morocco were nobodies in African football. Yeah they went to World Cup and did one or two but exited at group stages. From 1990 to 2004, I'm sure you can't name one AFCON where Morocco have made an impact. Even till today, they are still nobodies in AFCON.

A South African team without Benni McCarthy. A team with old Lucas Radebe, and you think they stood a chance against Nigeria?

The team was already fading away after the 1998 AFC finals. What impact did they have on the African stage after the 2000 Nations Cup?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 4:29pm On Jan 28
Unlimited22:


I pay attention to things and people I love.


I love love love football. I live it, breathe it, ay it, analyse it.

The fifth team was shaa Tunisia.
Hahaha. Your passion for the game is undeniable. Sometimes, you remind me of a younger Me, and I no too old like that.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 4:32pm On Jan 28
pkasso:
Hahaha. Your passion for the game is undeniable. Sometimes, you remind me of a younger Me, and I no too old like that.
Una na my egbons for this thread. This section is where I spend 99% of my time on NL.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Joezinho: 4:34pm On Jan 28
raumdeuter:



There is a part I never wan touch yet cos it affects Kanu too. That's the part they did a palace coup for the other old guards in 2002. Oliseh, Finidi got kicked out of NT. And Okocha became captain

The same oliseh that played a bigger role in what happened to Enyeama and Mikel when he took over as coach. He didn't care how he treated the very veterans that have suffered the same fate as he did when he was with the super eagles.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 4:39pm On Jan 28
Joezinho:


Egbon, a playmaker looks good when his team mates finish what he creates, but with a goal-shy front line of Kanu and Chukwu (if not for aghahowa that saved us) at the afcon 2000, jayjay was forced to try to be the source of goals himself. And he did his best. Imagine he was also the joint top scorer at afcon 2004!! As good as Oliseh was he was not better than Mikel Obi who is constantly being disrespected by fans..

You talked about the quarter finals but didn’t mention his impact in the group stages where he serially raped mustapha hadji and khale with the later running away from the game before the end after the constant knacking from okocha.

We miss the flare and creativity in the AM, Okocha’s game goes way over dribbles, the intelligence is just mesmerizing to watch. We simply don’t have a player with such skill. Iwobi is poor mans Okocha.

And of course sir, like most other playmakers, he can only really be effective operating behind a front two..
Mikel played more as a CM and even AM for Nigeria than he did as a DM. There's always been people like Seyi Olofinjana, Dickson Etuhu, Ogenyi Onazi, Oghenekaro Etebo and Wilfred Ndidi behind him.

I could be wrong but I'm not sure Mikel has ever been the Primary DM for Nigeria

Not to forget the smattering of options tried out in those roles like them Lukman Haruna, Nosa Igiebor, John Ogu, Reuben Gabriel etc

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 4:48pm On Jan 28
Listen to people talk, and you'll know who watches games with their nostrils and not their eyes.

Na so one person on Twitter was screaming for us to be starting Iheanacho in place of Iwobi.

We dey play 343 with 2 box to box CMs since Alhassan Yusuf got injured. You wán carry Iheanacho play B2B in a 343?

This Okocha-Oliseh dynamic go be child's play.

The only other person we have who can slot into that role in this current system is Raphael Onyedika and I don't think even he has the lungs for a full 90 in that role.

Frank Onyeka will cough his lungs out after 45 minutes.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:55pm On Jan 28
Unlimited22:
Listen to people talk, and you'll know who watches games with their nostrils and not their eyes.

Na so one person on Twitter was screaming for us to be starting Iheanacho in place of Iwobi.

We dey play 343 with 2 box to box CMs since Alhassan Yusuf got injured. You wán carry Iheanacho play B2B in a 343?

This Okocha-Oliseh dynamic go be child's play.

The only other person we have who can slot into that role in this current system is Raphael Onyedika and I don't think even he has the lungs for a full 90 in that role.

Frank Onyeka will cough his lungs out after 45 minutes.

Onyeka will die of work if dem bring Iheanacho for midfield

Pray Iwobi never gets injured. Cos we are light in midfielders who have lungs to run it. After Iwobi then na Aribo.

I have never watched Onyedika before though

Izzou can your twin brother Onuachu play as keeper?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 4:57pm On Jan 28
Joezinho:


A South African team without Benni McCarthy. A team with old Lucas Radebe, and you think they stood a chance against Nigeria?

The team was already fading away after the 1998 AFC finals. What impact did they have on the African stage after the 2000 Nations Cup?

All you need to know is they finished 1st in 1996, 2nd in 1998 and 3rd in 2000

The dispatched Ghana in the QF and topped their group
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 5:08pm On Jan 28
raumdeuter:


Onyeka will die of work if dem bring Iheanacho for midfield

Pray Iwobi never gets injured. Cos we are light in midfielders who have lungs to run it. After Iwobi then na Aribo.

I have never watched Onyedika before though

Izzou can your twin brother Onuachu play as keeper?
Aribo ke? That one na soft Britico boy.

Only four people can play that role in this squad. Iwobi, Onyeka, Yusuf and Onyedika. This was the major criticism we had of Peseiro going into the tourney. Anybody could see we were light in the centre.

Aribo, Iheanacho are not a fit for this system because they are passengers when it comes to defending.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Emaprince: 5:52pm On Jan 28
Amokachi on the beat again?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by NinjaMetahuman: 6:03pm On Jan 28
This has to be the funniest thing I have seen today. grin

Uzoho don show Nigerians shege.


https:///Naija_PR/status/1751594810379497892?t=sTaFM8CCiiyq76icsbZjgw&s=09
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Incognito9: 6:05pm On Jan 28
Guinea derby don start cool
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 6:36pm On Jan 28
raumdeuter:


Onyeka will die of work if dem bring Iheanacho for midfield

Pray Iwobi never gets injured. Cos we are light in midfielders who have lungs to run it. After Iwobi then na Aribo.

I have never watched Onyedika before though

Izzou can your twin brother Onuachu play as keeper?


Yes oh.

Wetin dey there?


Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 6:51pm On Jan 28
NinjaMetahuman:
This has to be the funniest thing I have seen today. grin

Uzoho don show Nigerians shege.


https:///Naija_PR/status/1751594810379497892?t=sTaFM8CCiiyq76icsbZjgw&s=09

grin grin grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 7:07pm On Jan 28
This Iban Edu of Equitorial Guinea is surely too good to be playing in Polish second division

Man is running this game and has been running things in AFCON since 2015, and he is only 28

A Championship team should open eye

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 7:15pm On Jan 28
Equitorial Guinea have lost discipline

Red card for kungfu kick

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