Unlimited22:

Essam El-Hadary may even have a better claim.

Fair point, but I was just looking for a way to put a Nigerian in the team. At the GK level, I would put Kameni and Songo'o ahead of El-Hadary within the era I watched.

Hadary's AFCON haul puts him ahead of Enyeama for me. But ultimately the Cameroonians were operating at different level in Europe, and I'd probably put Songo'o tops because he was that guy during the peak rivalry years in the late 90s to early noughties...plus I used him in Winning Eleven with that legendary team with Mboma, Wome, Ndiefi,Geremi, Job, Rigobert, etc.

nihilistjnr:
Debate.

The only Nigerian player I can make a case for to hold shirt in this team is Enyeama, and that's a damn shame.

Is the team based on what the players achieved playing for their national team (either in AFCON or World Cup) or on what the players achieved playing for their club side?

nihilistjnr:
Debate.

The only Nigerian player I can make a case for to hold shirt in this team is Enyeama, and that's a damn shame.

Did weah win anything with liberia?
El hadary is better than vincent/kameni

afrodoc2:


No Nigerian makes the team. Enyeama won’t even make 3rd team.

You can squeeze a case for Enyeama sha, based on bias and some measure of objectivity. But mostly bias.

BlueRayDick:


Is the team based on what the players achieved playing for their national team (either in AFCON or World Cup) or on what the players achieved playing for their club side?

I think this kind of list is open to many different interpretations. I choose to interprete it as a list of the 11 greatest African players by ranked career achievement.

Otherwise Salah doesn't even smell this list

nihilistjnr:


I think this kind of list is open to many different interpretations. I choose to interprete it as a list of the 11 greatest African players by ranked career achievement.

Otherwise Salah doesn't even smell this list

Babayaro can still battle kwadwo asamoah

iamoyindamola:

Did weah win anything with liberia?
El hadary is better than vincent/kameni

Weah won Balon D'or. No further debate is necessary.

The El-hadry one is open to debate. Like unlimited pointed out, He has a strong claim.

My position is that his claim depends on how much weight the individual judge assigns to caf cl and afcon as tournaments. I don't rate aradugbo cups very highly, so in my own highly subjective view, exploits in Europe are by far more impressive.

BlueRayDick:


Is the team based on what the players achieved playing for their national team (either in AFCON or World Cup) or on what the players achieved playing for their club side?

I was just about to asked this same question. African 11 should be about your achievement with your country. Hakimi, Bono, Weah, Salah shouldn't be there.

iamoyindamola:

Babayaro can still battle kwadwo asamoah

I strongly disagree with this.

nihilistjnr:


Weah won Balon D'or. No further debate is necessary.

The El-hadry one is open to debate. Like unlimited pointed out, He has a strong claim.

My position is that his claim depends on how much weight the individual judge assigns to caf cl and afcon as tournaments. I don't rate aradugbo cups very highly, so in my own highly subjective view, exploits in Europe are by far more impressive.

I think that's why bono made the list

nihilistjnr:


I think this kind of list is open to many different interpretations. I choose to interprete it as a list of the 11 greatest African players by ranked career achievement.

Otherwise Salah doesn't even smell this list

That's why I asked cos the list looks funny. Some of the players on it were just good for their clubs and not even for long. If it's by their performances in AFCON and playing at the world cup I know some of the Nigerian CB's in the 90's will definitely get a starting place ahead of Kolo Toure.

Even that Essien in midfield sef, e no go dey there

Kimbeast:

I was just about to asked this same question. African 11 should be about your achievement with your country. Hakimi, Bono, Weah, Salah shouldn't be there.

I guess whoever kept Bono and Hakimi there did so based on their last World cup outing. Even Salah no get level in Africa at all and George Weah being on the list is just to honor his exploits in Europe

nihilistjnr:


I strongly disagree with this.

Check am well
Babayaro had intercontinental trophies(UEFA cup and cups of cup) with chelsea
U17 champion
Olympic with nigeria
I think he won the league in 2005 with chelsea too

Na only schdetto asamoah pack

BlueRayDick:


I guess whoever kept Bono and Hakimi there did so based on their last World cup outing. Even Salah no get level in Africa at all and George Weah being on the list is just to honor his exploits in Europe

Geremi and Lauren are clear of Hakimi for that RB based on my own interpretation

BlueRayDick:


I guess whoever kept Bono and Hakimi there did so based on their last World cup outing. Even Salah no get level in Africa at all and George Weah being on the list is just to honor his exploits in Europe

Weah sef na more of individual honors

iamoyindamola:

Check am well
Babayaro had intercontinental trophies(UEFA cup and cups of cup) with chelsea
U17 champion
Olympic with nigeria
I think he won the league in 2005 with chelsea too

Na only schdetto asamoah pack

Intertoto cup no ne cup na.

The sheer number of scudetto & coppa Italia wins, as well as 2 time UCL finalist puts Asamoah clear for me.

nihilistjnr:


Geremi and Lauren are clear of Hakimi for that RB based on my own interpretation

Lauren definitely has everything to push Hakimi out of that RB position. He won 2 afcons and olympic gold with his national team.

Na Gen Z draw up that list

iamoyindamola:

Weah sef na more of individual honors

Na self recognition.

nihilistjnr:


Intertoto cup no ne cup na.

The sheer number of scudetto & coppa Italia wins, as well as 2 time UCL finalist puts Asamoah clear for me.

If he didn't they e no they
But he no win am na
Moreover babayaro sef get fa cups plus Nigeria achievement should put him ahead of asamoah
You can't be Africa best if you didn't achieve with your africa country

Any line up without Abedi is already irrelevant.

iamoyindamola:

If he didn't they e no they
But he no win am na
Moreover babayaro sef get fa cups plus Nigeria achievement should put him ahead of asamoah
You can't be Africa best if you didn't achieve with your africa country

You have a point, but I'm not that bothered about aradugbo trophies like AFCON and CAFCL.

Who do you think is the senior man between Taye Taiwo and Celestine? I suspect that you will go with Cele, but personally I think its a tie or maybe even Taye slighty higher (maybe due to recency effect and also remembering him as our Gareth Bale).

My interpretation of career honours makes Kwadwoah a 2 time UCL silver medalist. That plus his domestic Juve haul puts him well clear of Cele in my eyes, unlike the much closer comparison above.

nihilistjnr:


Geremi and Lauren are clear of Hakimi for that RB based on my own interpretation

If na strictly by exploits with national team, even Augustine Eguavoen is clear of Hakimi
😂😂😂

nihilistjnr:


You have a point, but I'm not that bothered about aradugbo trophies like AFCON and CAFCL.

Who do you think is the senior man between Taye Taiwo and Celestine? I suspect that you will go with Cele, but personally I think its a tie or maybe even Taye slighty higher (maybe due to recency effect and also remembering him as our Gareth Bale).

My interpretation of career honours makes Kwadwoah a 2 time UCL silver medalist. That plus his domestic Juve haul puts him well clear of Cele in my eyes, unlike the much closer comparison above.

This is more of european based africa xi

Griffon:


Baba why you too like this dick measuring debates?

If na donjazzet type this, I for understand.

BlueRayDick is correct shaa. That line-up looks like a mix of best players by career achievement and best players by NT and AFCON achievement

Because Kolo Toure, Hakimi and Bono are nowhere near a list of best African players of all time if you're considering NT achievements. Who or what is a Bono? He won't even make the third team sef. Jacques Songo'o, Thomas N'kono, Joseph Antoine-Bell, Carlos Kameni, Essam El-Hadary and even Vincent Enyeama are all ahead of him.

Even Michael Essien in midfield is very highly debatable and George Weah gets in solely because he won a Ballon d'or.

nihilistjnr:


Geremi and Lauren are clear of Hakimi for that RB based on my own interpretation

Astronomically. Lauren is an invincible, won the Olympic Gold and two AFCONs as a starting RB.

nihilistjnr:
Debate.

The only Nigerian player I can make a case for to hold shirt in this team is Enyeama, and that's a damn shame.

Will like to see Raumdeuter's best XI and his criteria. Many players here will not feature because they didn't win Nations cup or Ucl.

Raumdeuter, tag me when it drops.

airmark:


Will like to see Raumdeuter's best XI and his criteria. Many players here will not feature because they didn't win Nations cup and Ucl.

Raumdeuter, tag me when it drops.

Salah no get level in African football at all. We all know he's a special player though.

iamoyindamola:

Babayaro can still battle kwadwo asamoah

No he can't

Unlimited22:

Astronomically. Lauren is an invincible, won the Olympic Gold and two AFCONs as a starting RB.

Njitap won UCL twice, won 2 EPL, won 1 la liga, won 2 afcon and that Olympic.

For me, I would argue at least of of Geremi and Lauren must play. If Geremi enters RB, and Lauren chop bench, I probably won't be mad at that. But if it's Lauren that gets the nod at RB, then Essien must make way for Geremi Njitap.

Unlimited22:

Astronomically. Lauren is an invincible, won the Olympic Gold and two AFCONs as a starting RB.

Lauren was one of those sleeveless jersey wearing Cameroun team

Unlimited22:

Salah no get level in African football at all. We all know he's a special player though.

I won't be surprised if Raumdeuter replaces Salah with Mikel or Finidi, for winning the nations cup and Ucl.