On today's episode of how crap was Paul Scholes...

If you were looking for the player you would replace Keane with, it's Gerrard, without question," . "He has become the most influential player in England, bar none.

"Not that Vieira lacks anything, but I think that Gerrard does more for his team than Vieira does.

"To me, Gerrard is Keane; he is now where Keane was when Roy came to us in 1994. I've watched him quite a lot, and everywhere the ball is, he seems to be there.

"He's got that unbelievable engine, desire, determination. Anyone would take Gerrard.

"Vieira has done that job for Arsenal for two or three years. But you can see Gerrard rising and rising."

- Alex Ferguson 2004

nihilistjnr:
On today's episode of how crap was Paul Scholes...

If you were looking for the player you would replace Keane with, it's Gerrard, without question," . "He has become the most influential player in England, bar none.

"Not that Vieira lacks anything, but I think that Gerrard does more for his team than Vieira does.

"To me, Gerrard is Keane; he is now where Keane was when Roy came to us in 1994. I've watched him quite a lot, and everywhere the ball is, he seems to be there.

"He's got that unbelievable engine, desire, determination. Anyone would take Gerrard.

"Vieira has done that job for Arsenal for two or three years. But you can see Gerrard rising and rising."

- Alex Ferguson 2004

fergie was probably high on chewing gum, if not he brought scholes out of retirement to win the league.

sod09:
fergie was probably high on chewing gum, if not he brought scholes out of retirement to win the league.

who knows...maybe if he was able to sign Gerrard, they might have done better in UCL.

nihilistjnr:


who knows...maybe if he was able to sign Gerrard, they might have done better in UCL.

everyone knows he like steve. G but he wasn't fair on scholes. keane cant even tidy viera only agidi he got IMO

nihilistjnr:


who knows...maybe if he was able to sign Gerrard, they might have done better in UCL.

With scholes, he had two and playing in 4 finals, Liverpool with Steve had one playing in two finals

Jemi7:


With scholes, he had two and playing in 4 finals, Liverpool with Steve had one playing in two finals

We should also not forget the numerous EPL titles Scholes helped Man Utd win and the one Gerrard helped Liverpool lose.

You scummies questioning Ferguson now?

Gerrard has become the most influential player in England, bar none - Alex Ferguson, 2004


I'm sure scholes was alive in 2004

Jemi7:


With scholes, he had two and playing in 4 finals, Liverpool with Steve had one playing in two finals

That's the same win ratio of 1 in 2

Maybe with Gerrard on the roster, it could have been 3 in 4.

Ferguson was begging Gerrard for a reason.


My agent, Struan Marshall, told me that, under Fergie, United had a decent pop at trying to sign me. Gary Neville would knock at my door during England camps.
“He’d come in for a chat and let me know how much United would love me to play for them. Gary told me Fergie had sent him.” - Steven Gerrard

nihilistjnr:
You scummies questioning Ferguson now?

Gerrard has become the most influential player in England, bar none - Alex Ferguson, 2004


I'm sure scholes was alive in 2004

2004 when Fergie was trying to use any tactic including flattery to enable him replace the ageing Roy Keane with Gerrard?

You wouldn’t know this because you were still a Leicester fan then and you guys had your hands full with relegation battles.

Lmao

sod09:
are you minding your guys, that's how your uncle said Bellotti is the next best thing look at Paco too firing anyhow

Your spineless club stormed Turin begging everybody in Torino, with €65m, to sign the next best thing last year, but got rubbished as a small club. You had to turn to the likes of lacasera after the disgraceful rejection.

Maybe the uncle in your post, was someone from the emirates.

afrodoc2:


2004 when Fergie was trying to use any tactic including flattery to enable him replace the ageing Roy Keane with Gerrard?

You wouldn’t know this because you were still a Leicester fan then and you guys had your hands full with relegation battles.

Actually, those comments came a full year AFTER Ferguson had already tried to sign Gerrard twice, including offering him a 7 year contract.

Where have you heard of a player being given a 7 year contract before apart from Arizabalaga?

I was a Chelsea fan by 02/03 btw

nihilistjnr:


Actually, those comments came a full year AFTER Ferguson had already tried to sign Gerrard twice, including offering him a 7 year contract.

Where have you heard of a player being given a 7 year contract before apart from Arizabalaga?

I was a Chelsea fan by 02/03 btw

But all you have shown is that Fergie was desperate to replace Keane with Gerrard to come and play BESIDE Scholes.

Keane was in his 30s, Scholes was 30 and Gerrard was 24.

This was Fergie just being Fergie.

And Fergie was always ready to get him even then.
Do you know how many different times and over how many years Fergie tried to sign Shearer?

afrodoc2:


We should also not forget the numerous EPL titles Scholes helped Man Utd win and the one Gerrard helped Liverpool lose.

Not forgetting the one that "slipped" away

Jemi7:


Not forgetting the one that "slipped" away

Lol it has never slipped Gerrard’s memory.

nihilistjnr:


That's the same win ratio of 1 in 2

Maybe with Gerrard on the roster, it could have been 3 in 4.

Ferguson was begging Gerrard for a reason.


My agent, Struan Marshall, told me that, under Fergie, United had a decent pop at trying to sign me. Gary Neville would knock at my door during England camps.
“He’d come in for a chat and let me know how much United would love me to play for them. Gary told me Fergie had sent him.” - Steven Gerrard

Playing in 4 finals and winning 2
Playing in 2 finals and winning 1

I sure do know what "Better in the Champions League" is. It seems afrodoc has got this handled, so I will leave you two.

afrodoc2:


But all you have shown is that Fergie was desperate to replace Keane with Gerrard to come and play BESIDE Scholes.

Keane was in his 30s, Scholes was 30 and Gerrard was 24.

This was Fergie just being Fergie.

And Fergie was always ready to get him even then.
Do you know how many different times and over how many years Fergie tried to sign Shearer?

What does that have to do with the fact that Ferguson called Gerrard the most influential player in England, when Scholes was under his nose?

And what does replacing Keane have to do with anything?

So Only Gerrard should play in midfield ni?

afrodoc2:




Lol it has never slipped Gerrard’s memory.

Jemi7:


Playing in 4 finals and winning 2
Playing in 2 finals and winning 1

I sure do know what "Better in the Champions League" is. It seems afrodoc has got this handled, so I will leave you two.

That's still a 1 in 2 success rate so I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove.

At the time sef, Scholes was a UCL winner, and Gerrard had not yet won the competition, whan Ferguson called him the most influential player in England.

Ferguson is a club legend and the most successful manager in the history of your club - I will take his opinion over yours any day

airmark:


Your spineless club stormed Turin begging everybody in Torino, with €65m, to sign the next best thing last year, but got rubbished as a small club. You had to turn to the likes of lacasera after the disgraceful rejection.

Maybe the uncle in your post, was someone from the emirates.

oga story for the gods
Let's compare Welbeck to Bellotti not even lacazette
Every knows wengay is brain dead, that was how he wanted to buy Lemar 98m

nihilistjnr:


That's still a 1 in 2 success rate so I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove.

At the time sef, Scholes was a UCL winner, and Gerrard had not yet won the competition, whan Ferguson called him the most influential player in England.

Ferguson is a club legend and the most successful manager in the history of your club - I will take his opinion over yours any day

"who knows...maybe if he was able to sign Gerrard, they might have done better in UCL."

So how is it that we might have done better in the Uefa Champions League with Steve in the team? When he had the same win ratio of 1 in 2? With Liverpool? How would he have made United better in the Champions League?

Taking away the number of times both won it, United with scholes played in 4 finals while Liverpool with Steve played in 2 finals, in the space of 13 years Scholes had already been to 4 finals, Steve 2, while one was being brought out of retirement to help win the league, the other was struggling to make top 4 and slipping away the title 3 years after the former retired.

Jemi7:



"who knows...maybe if he was able to sign Gerrard, they might have done better in UCL."

So how is it that we might have done better in the Uefa Champions League with Steve in the team? When he had the same win ratio of 1 in 2? .

Had Kyle Walker won EPL before he joined Man City? Had Suarez won UCL before he joined Barca? Had Pogba won Europa before he joined Manyoo?

Does Gerrard have to have won UCL before he could improve Manyoo as a team?

Your manager was offering Gerrard a 7 yeard contract years before the guy even won UCL, so i dont know why a simple statement like Gerrard might have helped Manyoo do better in UCL seems to be confusing you

Taking away the number of times both won it, United with scholes played in 4 finals while Liverpool with Steve played in 2 finals, in the space of 13 years Scholes had already been to 4 finals, Steve 2, while one was being brought out of retirement to help win the league, the other was struggling to make top 4 and slipping away the title 3 years after the former retired.

Scholes played in a better team than Gerrard throughout their entire career so that means nothing. When they played together for England, it was Scholes that was chased away...and dont pretend you didnt just see Scholes Manager call Gerrard the most influential player in England, when Scholes was still at manyoo.

sod09:
oga story for the gods
Let's compare Welbeck to Bellotti not even lacazette
Every knows wengay is brain dead, that was how he wanted to buy Lemar 98m

Ok I understand.

sod09:
Lacazette e no go better for you oo

nihilistjnr:


Had Kyle Walker won EPL before he joined Man City? Had Suarez won UCL before he joined Barca? Had Pogba joined Europa before he joined Manyoo?

Does Gerrard have to have won UCL before he could improve the team?

Your manager was offering Gerrard a 7 yeard contract years before the guy even won UCL, so i dont know why a simple statement like Gerrard might have helped Manyoo do better in UCL seems to be confusing you



Scholes played in a better team than Gerrard throughout their entire career so that means nothing. When they played together for England, it was Scholes that was chased away...and dont pretend you didnt just see Scholes Manager call Gerrard the most influential player in England, when Scholes was still at manyoo.

Your greatest ever manager once said Hazard is on the same level as Ronaldo, Do you agree?

airmark:


Ok I understand.

im done with you on this one.... what kind of person drag last season to win an argument
i can really see why raumdeuter is giving you hard time, you clearly know nothing im sorry

Jemi7:


Your greatest ever manager once said Hazard is on the same level as Ronaldo, Do you agree?

Is Mourinho greater than Ferguson?

Being the most influential does not mean being the better player though. This debate would have been meaningful if Gerrard was supposed to replace Scholes.

sod09:
im done with you on this one.... what kind of person drag last season to win an argument
i can really see why raumdeuter is giving you hard time, you clearly know nothing im sorry

eph12:

the guy no sabi ball jare...very annoying comment from him

nihilistjnr:


Is Mourinho greater than Ferguson?

Is Ferguson Chelsea's greatest ever manager? Your greatest ever manager while he was at Chelsea said Hazard is on the same level as Ronaldo, Do you agree?

sod09:
im done with you on this one.... what kind of person drag last season to win an argument
i can really see why raumdeuter is giving you hard time, you clearly know nothing im sorry

3 months of lacasera this season, won't be enough to erase the curse you placed on his head for relegating your team to Europa. You should have learnt from Moratas abracadabra, early last season. Your own season starts in August and ends in October.